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Lolipol Anonymous 09/14/2020 (Mon) 08:44:35 No. 2865
Why a lot of leftists hate lolis? Are they retarded or just thinking loli mean Pedophile?
Communism won't have loli hentai in it.
>>4558 Sankaku complex made it so that you have to pay to actually browse more than the most recent images in the search.
>>4754 Even recent images are falling under thsi PPV Luckily people are already making githubs to get around it.
Has Unruhe really come back to the imageboards?
General criticism of anime aside, this.
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Giving children the knowledge, environment, connections, and confidence to avoid and be wary of being taken advantage of is far more important than caring about whether or not lolicons are even a threat. If you're really concerned with the supposed ultimate consequence of allowing lolicons to indulge themselves, then you should agree since the issue is after all ultimately about protecting children. The supposed "normalization" of pedophilia will be counteracted by creating clear social norms that are opposed to it, and those mentally ill enough to desire to act will be unable to when we have prepared for it. Hating on lolicons, and pedophiles by extension, is just an extremely safe and self-reassuring way to say you don't like bad things. You can't be argued with because you've chosen such a safe position that assumed any other position on the topic is not as against bad things as you and therefor supports the bad things. This is SJW/Idpol tier trite discussion that is ultimately more about creating a boogeyman than giving a shit about child predators. Nobody likes bad things. We'd all like to prevent bad things. You're not special.
>>4877 >Giving children the knowledge, environment, connections, and confidence to avoid and be wary of being taken advantage of is far more important than caring about whether or not lolicons are even a threat This is such a fucking nonsequitur deflectionthat implies that you can only do one or the other. >you're really concerned with the supposed ultimate consequence of allowing lolicons to indulge themselves, then you should agree since the issue is after all ultimately about protecting children People cannot protect children if their social environment does not encourage it. This has been posted about already with at least half a dozen links giving examples of this. >The supposed "normalization" of pedophilia will be counteracted by creating clear social norms that are opposed to it On paper this is true, however the reality of it is clearly visible in the West today, wherein 'MAPs' are being listened to more and more. It's a slow and clever process by Porky to turn society into a mindles, all-consuming mess, a literal cyberpunk world where everything goes (to hell). >you've chosen such a safe position Given the number of people screaming about "muh moralfags" this is clearly not the case. The public status quo currently is only temporary. >SJW/Idpol tier trite discussion Given that most arguments against lolishit in the thread are NOT SJW idpol in any way, I disagree. >ultimately more about creating a boogeyman than giving a shit about child predator So you may claim, proofs you have not. >You're not special Who claimed we were?
>>4877 >safe position <H-hey dude, don't you know opposing /pol/ nazis is a safe position? Laughable
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>>4883 >This is such a fucking nonsequitur deflectionthat implies that you can only do one or the other. I'm not saying you can only do one or the other, but that you should not want to do the latter when the former exists. The latter is getting into territory that I find ridiculous on principle. If you consider lolicons pedophiles then be glad the majority have apparently convinced themselves that they don't have any attraction to real children. If it's true that they are actually pedophiles then it is either extremely effective at satisfying such urges or it outright replaces them. We should focus on the former as it actually directly addresses the core problem. Prevention and protection before persecution and speculation. >People cannot protect children if their social environment does not encourage it. This has been posted about already with at least half a dozen links giving examples of this. I think it's a little dramatic to assume that the social environment is anything but encouraging it. I don't know how much you hang around more "normalfag" circles but pedos are hated deeply and opportunities to shit on them are taken extremely enthusiastically. Responsible parents and mentor figures taught me to be wary and continue to do so to the coming generations. This is as it should be. >On paper this is true, however the reality of it is clearly visible in the West today, wherein 'MAPs' are being listened to more and more. "MAP"s are a meme and are at best told to seek help by sane people. I learned what a "MAP" was by seeing people shit on them. In an age of progressive views on sexual expression gaining more ground, I think it's only natural that both actual pedos and false flaggers will start to come out and try to mingle with the crowd. I don't think this signals a need to suppress such expression or even that any action needs to be taken to stop a perceived pedo normalization. If anything, we're seeing a good step forward in getting pedos to literally just out themselves. An open pedo is not a threat. A closet one is a threat. If you disapprove of them then let them come to you. Give them enough rope to hang their illness with. Like I said, they're going to be told to seek help at best. >It's a slow and clever process by Porky to turn society into a mindles, all-consuming mess, a literal cyberpunk world where everything goes (to hell). Going to just have to reassert that I do not see pedophilia being normalized. It's one of the topics that gets people of pretty much any mainstream leaning together in agreement. And on the fringe side, many conspiracy theories at least suggest it is a threat since that hatred is effective in generating interest. To you, porky obviously must be behind the pedos. My point is, people will gladly link their nemesis to it. It is evil. It is so universal that I honestly can not in good faith entertain the notion that lolicons, who are controversial even among themselves, will ever sway relevant and mainstream opinions on actual real world pedophilia even if we're to assume every one of them would like to. >Given the number of people screaming about "muh moralfags" this is clearly not the case. The public status quo currently is only temporary. I believe the moralfag claims are towards the strange puritanism that drives anti loli posters. The moral panic over cartoon pornography. The status quo is not going to swing in favor of normalizing pedophilia because edgy imageboard posters don't like moralfag takes on lolis. >Given that most arguments against lolishit in the thread are NOT SJW idpol in any way, I disagree. Not literally, but on the same level. The disregard for the obvious practical answer for the opportunity to tell someone to stop enjoying something on moral grounds. >So you may claim, proofs you have not. True. It's just my assumption. But this entire argument only exists because of assumptions. I don't like it and usually don't indulge it since there's little point when it just boils down to a difference in morals born from assumptions about what type of people coom to what animu girl. >Who claimed we were? Nobody but the implication is definitely there, in what anti loli posters say, that they're uniquely fighting an encroaching pedo menace. It's not bad that this isn't special though, I'm glad the norm is a fear of pedos so long as it is balanced just right so that pedos feel the urge to change rather than hide and fester. I don't dislike you for it, I dislike the sentiment that lolis are particularly dangerous. I tried to stay away from muh art or muh freedoms as much as possible, and just meet you on a level where I explain why I believe it's redundant to even care. >>4886 I'm sorry, I don't know how /pol/ is relevant. I hope I don't seem like /pol/, not a fan of their ilk.
>>4895 TL;DR: While I don't disagree with you completely (and you make reasonable points), the devil is in the details. But this has been argued ad nauseum ad prior to your megu-posts, the thread was sinking merrily down. >you should not want to do the latter when the former exists I disagree. Removing pedophilic imagery from all media is a socially important step as it firmly denies potential pedophile defenders an out with disengenous arguments. I don't think lolicons ought to get prosecuted, but it shouldn't be encouraged, and should be excluded from easy public access. > be glad the majority have apparently convinced themselves that they don't have any attraction to real children <it is either extremely effective at satisfying such urges or it outright replaces them Trust me, I am glad. I just have the empathy to think long-term and consider the fact that helping people is also a responsibility of a communist society for material and ethical reasons. Historically bans and incrimination have failed to help without supplements. Moreover I would say lolicon tends to be a gateway into pedoshit for some people. >pedos are hated deeply and opportunities to shit on them are taken extremely enthusiastically I agree, HOWEVER like with many other unsavory movements and ideas, pedos have been quietly trying to get normalized through euphamisms and bullshit research and normalization through liberal reform. >esponsible parents and mentor figures taught me to be wary and continue to do so to the coming generations Same, and I agree, however I have noticed a trend of this kind of wariness being less and less common, at least in the West. >"MAP"s are a meme and are at best told to seek help by sane people m8 I have been to PTA meetings and other such activities where such people are not only called in to schools to talk to children, but have lengthy, applauded TED talks and, of all things, followers. Steven Pinker is a pedo apologist and is quite influential. >an age of progressive views on sexual expression gaining more ground It's an inherent part of liberal idpol >I don't think this signals a need to suppress such expression or even that any action needs to be taken to stop a perceived pedo normalization In this I firmly disagree. They are the kind of people who will take a mile if you give them an inch. It's the same reason all sorts of alphabet soup idpol with 64 genders and sexualities plague Gay Rights movements. They are the same people who defend child beauty pageants and child drag queens and 'determination of gender' for kids who aren't even close to puberty, let alone able to be conscious of such concepts. >If you disapprove of them then let them come to you. Give them enough rope to hang their illness with. I wish it were that easy, but that's not PC anymore. Gulag jokes are only ironic these days. >It's one of the topics that gets people of pretty much any mainstream leaning together in agreement As I said, it's not normalized NOW, but it's slowly being pushed and prodded. Expose people to it, desensitize them and slowly bring it out more and more over decades. >porky obviously must be behind the pedos Is Epstein and the Westboro pedo ring and numerous evidence of them being involved in such heinous activities not evidence enough? It seems a disproportionate number of porkies are involved with pedoshit. Your trust in the human race's disgust with pedoshit and the controversy of lolicon is heartwarming, my own faith in humanity is much lower. The trends of societal development of he past century and a half demonstrate a very clear picture to me of just how proficient global capital is at obfuscating truths and playing the long-game. >The moral panic over cartoon pornography As I said, it's a good bit more than that >The disregard for the obvious practical answer for the opportunity to tell someone to stop enjoying something on moral grounds Because this is a mongolian throatsinging board, not a professional debate. Moreover while I think that logic and proofs are important, the idea that morals are 'bad' is a rather ironic one to have for a communist, given the fact that morals arise from the dialectical development of society, which in turn is part of human evolution, as has been discussed in the thread. >I don't like it and usually don't indulge it Then why post about it at all? >I explain why I believe it's redundant to even care. And you make a good argument. But my consideration for the topic and my personal dislike for loli hentai is based primarily on a more long-term considerations. Futile, I know, but the most I can do is try and at least get people to think and not just 'consoom coom product'.
>>4898 >But this has been argued ad nauseum ad prior to your megu-posts, the thread was sinking merrily down Alright, I'll be more brief. My apologies for autistic necro ranting but I'm glad I got to actually get someone to at least see the reason behind what I think. >m8 I have been to PTA meetings and other such activities where such people are not only called in to schools to talk to children, but have lengthy, applauded TED talks and, of all things, followers. I don't think a lolicon existing or not would change this, though maybe you see them as symptoms of the same problem. >In this I firmly disagree. They are the kind of people who will take a mile if you give them an inch. >my own faith in humanity is much lower I worry deeply for a human race so flawed. I don't want to believe it and hope certain lines should be easy to draw with common sense. >numerous evidence of them being involved in such heinous activities not evidence enough? Trust me I know there are fucked up people who take advantage of children, but again this comes down to the difference in worldviews where I see lolicon as not having any bearing on such things happening or not. >not a professional debate >Then why post about it at all? Sorry, but this sort of thing is difficult to have a discussion on in any other way for reasons that have been discussed. I guess I just felt like taking an opportunity to try. >As I said, it's a good bit more than that I'd like to believe lolicon is nothing more than what it is, ultimately. >the idea that morals are 'bad' I don't think morals are either good or bad. In this instance I think they're being used poorly even if I agree with the sentiment. >And you make a good argument. But my consideration for the topic and my personal dislike for loli hentai is based primarily on a more long-term considerations. Futile, I know, but the most I can do is try and at least get people to think and not just 'consoom coom product'. Understandable. In the grand scheme I don't think we're at risk of it being this sort of issue though but I respect that basically you've made up your mind on that. Maybe I'm naive. I hope I'm not and the human race does in fact have an inherent capacity for rejecting a change of this sort, otherwise I fear for what will become of us in any environment.
>>4909 >My apologies for autistic necro ranting but I'm glad I got to actually get someone to at least see the reason behind what I think. It's fine, you're far more civilized than average posters here. >maybe you see them as symptoms of the same problem Yes, thanks for understand what I meant, I realize that I may have worded that a little poorly. >I don't want to believe it and hope certain lines should be easy to draw with common sense. I wish I could do the same, I've just been disappointed by humanity so many times that I sometimes feel like a blackhole of emotional negativity has formed from all the horrific shit I have seen and can do nothing about. I'm glad that you are more optimistic than I TBH. >this comes down to the difference in worldviews where I see lolicon as not having any bearing on such things happening or not. Yes this is true, but as I linked above, in Japan child abuse and underground Child selling has been increasing and it correlates to relaxed laws on lolicon with numerous anime about child-love with adults. Again, this is hardly a big factor, but I forsee a POTENTIAL a path that porky-pedos can exploit to their own ends. >I'd like to believe lolicon is nothing more than what it is We can only hope so >I just felt like taking an opportunity to try That's fine, You presented a fairly well thought out argument. I suppose I've slightly over-reacted, merely because I am sick of the topic, I apologize if I insulted you. >I hope I'm not and the human race does in fact have an inherent capacity for rejecting a change of this sort I think I shall choose to try and hope as well. Thanks, this conversation ahs given me a bit of catharsis.
>>2865 This is a productive thread.
>>4916 >necrobumping this crap stop
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TBH I think that those who say "lolies don't have anything to do with childhood lel" are almost as stupid as those who think that all lolicons are mentally ill tier obsessed with children and future molesters.
>>4949 What the hell are you even trying to say Also screw you for wasting those dubs on this pointless necrobump
Good Work FBI/CIA
>>4912 I was going to send a much larger reply but ultimately I'd just be repeating ideas you've likely heard. This thread has worn itself out anyways I suppose. I wasn't exactly nice at first either but I suppose it was inevitable. I'm glad you got hope and catharsis out of this, pessimism can force your thoughts down bad paths. also, I'm not trying to avatarfag I just think these pics are appreciably cute/quality and fit the thread
>>4970 Based response and don't worry about 'avatar-fagging' we're not autistically harping about it like 4chan does (other than the reddit sage-spam poster)
>>4970 you can use avatars on twitter fagass
>or just thinking loli mean Pedophile? Yeah, someone should teach them lolicon is the word that means pedophile in English.
>>4996 Stay mad sagewhiner >>5016 I mean that was already explained in-thread but ok.
>France bans nhentai over loli shit Pedos BTFO lmao
>>5274 Good, but stop bumping this shit thread
>>2951 Lolicon in Japanese usage originated from Russell's Lolita complex book, moron.
>>5288 >t.didn't read the post Ok fag, stay mad.
is enko borderline pedo.
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I think it's pretty easy to write off lolicons as pedophiles but I think what the majority of them actually want, and this is the general theme that I actually see in /a/ is that I think they just like flat chested girls. Not all men are attracted to girls with huge breasts after all. This isn't really to say that lolicon is a good thing (which I don't really see it as) but rather the fact that there is always such a deluge of huge tittied bedunker girls out there that it gets kind of boring to see them after a while right and it's mostly just the girls that are rather mature but still loli-ish that are generally the most popular with people anyways. I think that banning lolicon is bad however for the sake that you can't actually write a plot about child sexual abuse without it being illegal, without the ability to express something that is actually real, it is much, much easier to sweep real life cases of that sort of shit happening under the rug.
>>5542 >it is much, much easier to sweep real life cases of that sort of shit happening under the rug I disagree. >matur but still loli-ish Petite. You want petite. This was mentioned before.
The primary contradiction on here is the conflict of sagepostfags and lolicon.
>>2951 >The meaning of ロリコン so does 小児愛 is almost same as pedophile if you look into japanese wikis ,dictionaries or blogs, and 小児愛 is the psychological term for ロリコン. Likely false. I know that Japanese people distinguish between "pedofiria", which has a criminal connotation, and "lolicon" which does not. Why would "shouniseiaisha" be any different?
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>>5758 >Japanese people distinguish between "pedofiria", which has a criminal connotation, and "lolicon" which does not. A moot distinguishment.
>>5759 >A moot distinguishment. No. Being called a pedo is serious because of the criminal connotation; it's like it's implied you're a child molester (coincidentally this is how people in the West use the word pedo).
>>5762 M8 read >>3902 It covers this and the whole "distinction" thing and why it's a moot point.
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The hypocrisy of much of the anti-loli drones who probably fap to shota trap and high school girl hentai is funny. Your indirect support for vapid liberalism will lead to everything you enjoy about weeb media be stripped away until nothing is left except for perhaps giant robots. And you consider yourself weebs you utter morons? Are you masochists? Make no mistake there is nothing communist about liking anime, just as there is nothing communist about liking any product of capitalism; it's a personal matter. But go on, continue to support wrecking your cope for capitalist doom & gloom. Surely this is in your best interest.
>>5767 >The hypocrisy of much of the anti-loli drones <hurr if you think sexualizing kids is bad you're a drone LOL >who probably fap to shota trap and high school girl hentai Nice projection there buddy >Your indirect support for vapid liberalism <the fact that liberalism promotes MAP, child drag queens and defends pedophiles like Steve Pinker is totally not important or that traps and lolis are a predominantly /pol/ obsession. loli-shit and arguments for it are libertarianism and libertarianism is almost always represented by self-serving fags using this "ideology" to defend their bourg decadence > lead to everything you enjoy about weeb media be stripped I don't need nor want to see an 11 year old undress constantly for "fanservice" in my anime, nor would its removal damage said anime. There are dozens of anime that are good or excellent that have little to NONE of this and it's obviously better off for it. >nothing is left except for perhaps giant robots Imagine being a "weeb" (lolicon) and thinking that there is nothing to anime outside fanservice/sexualization and mecha. Hilarious bad faith argument. >you consider yourself weebs No. I certainly haven't, nor would I want to. Liking anime =/= being a weeb or otaku, and as Miyazaki states, being one is nothing to be proud of, nor is it healthy, especially modern ones. >masochists <if you dont let us have our drawn CP they'll take everything else too This isn't the Jews being sent to the camps, it's a tiny portion of anime content that only exists because of Japan's excessive obsession with sex and capitalist need to commodify everything, including pedophilia >nothing communist about liking anime <product of capitalism Oh you're one of those dweebs: Anime has no essence that could be described as more capitalist or socialist. It's literally culture and therefore part of the superstructure that is being determined by the base. Even if anime exists today in a hyper-commercialised context that doesn't mean that this is the only way it can be expressed. >continue to support wrecking your cope for capitalist doom & gloom The fuck is this supposed to mean.
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>>5769 >Nice projection there buddy It's not projection, it's my observation of Twitter "leftists" who enjoy shota traps ("femboys") and watch high school romcoms. >that traps and lolis are a predominantly /pol/ obsession. Traps are a "leftist" Twitter obsession. >I don't need nor want to see an 11 year old undress constantly for "fanservice" in my anime, nor would its removal damage said anime. There are dozens of anime that are good or excellent that have little to NONE of this and it's obviously better off for it. >Imagine being a "weeb" (lolicon) and thinking that there is nothing to anime outside fanservice/sexualization and mecha. Hilarious bad faith argument. No more high school escapism. No more hyperviolence and gore. No more ass and titties. No more boy coming-of-age stories. No more moe. No more traditional fantasy. No more political ambiguity. No more waifus. No more risque comedy. And so on. I have witnessed vapid liberalism denounce these as "problematic" on multiple accounts, a mangaka (Ken Akamatsu) even alerted the Japanese government about how much of a threat vapid liberalism from the West is for manga. >and as Miyazaki states, being one is nothing to be proud of, nor is it healthy, especially modern ones. Miyazaki also said that non-otaku have no right to talk about otaku so shut the fuck up. >Japan's excessive obsession with sex and capitalist need to commodify everything, including pedophilia Japan isn't any more obsessed with sex than America and France are you dumb fucking chauvinist. >Oh you're one of those dweebs: Anime has no essence that could be described as more capitalist or socialist. It's literally culture and therefore part of the superstructure that is being determined by the base. Even if anime exists today in a hyper-commercialised context that doesn't mean that this is the only way it can be expressed. Anime as we know it is literally a capitalist expression of japanimation. No I don't give a fuck about hypothetical socialist anime because as a fucking materialist I don't talk in hypotheticals. >The fuck is this supposed to mean. You support the wrecking of the cope that helps you keep going in this hellworld.
>>5771 >shota traps >femboys Not even close buddy
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>>5771 > my observation of Twitter "leftists" who enjoy shota traps ("femboys") and watch high school romcoms And the hell does that have to do with this thread? >Traps are a "leftist" Twitter obsession See pics 1 and 2 related, these people are obsessed with traps. >No more hyperviolence and gore Great, we don't need unartistic blood pinatas for shitty edginess. It's boring and bland. >No more ass and titties Nice hyperbole "no fanservice" =/= no feminine assets. >high school escapism Fine by me, SoL-shit is cancer >No more moe Ok >coming-of-age Nope, removing loli-sexualization will not remove that. >No more traditional fantasy I fail to see how removing lolishit would do that. >political ambiguity See above >No more waifus Doesn't make sense given that people make waifus out of characters. Also Waifuism is escapism of the worst kind >No more risque comedy Not really. The only kind of 'comedy' that might end from banning sexualization of lolis would be lowbrow jokes about CP in the first place that aren't funny to begin with. > I have witnessed vapid liberalism denounce these as "problematic" Ok AND? Where does this tie into lolishit? Because some liberals scream about lolis? So fucking what? Who cares what they screech about. I don't like it because it's shit. >alerted the Japanese government about how much of a threat vapid liberalism from the West is for manga Ok, and? We don't like liberals here you dullard. That doesn't mean having no quality control. >Miyazaki also said that non-otaku have no right to talk about otaku <shut the fuck up! <Waaaaah I can't take criticism! I want my loli-cummies! Fuck off. Miyazaki was talking about people like himself. Most Otaku are not like Miyazaki by a longshot. >Japan isn't any more obsessed with sex than America and France <Japan isn't any more obsessed with sex than the other 2 most sexually obsessed countries Nice try fag >chauvanist For a lib-hater you sure talk like one >Anime as we know it is literally a capitalist expression of japanimation Anime is Japanese animation. It does not have an inherent ideology. This is the fucking iPhone argument all over again. >because as a fucking materialist I don't talk in hypotheticals Then you don't have anything to bring to the table and you're a useless doomer, who may see the problems of society but doesn't want to think about how it could be changed or what alternatives there are. >You support the wrecking of the cope that helps you keep going in this hellworld lolishit does nothing to help me keep going, if anything it contributes to this hellworld of mine.
>>5775 Oh look another.
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>>5776 This whole post reeks of a drone with about zero reading comprehension. >And the hell does that have to do with this thread? Read my first post again. >See pics 1 and 2 related, these people are obsessed with traps. So is "leftist" Twitter - /pol/ is irrelevant to my point. >Ok AND? Where does this tie into lolishit? Because some liberals scream about lolis? So fucking what? Who cares what they screech about. I don't like it because it's shit. >Ok, and? We don't like liberals here you dullard. That doesn't mean having no quality control. By siding with vapid liberalism you empower it you doo-doo head. This is politics 101. Plenty of fans in Japan aren't into loli but aren't aiding in the destruction of anime over it. >Fuck off. Miyazaki was talking about people like himself. Most Otaku are not like Miyazaki by a longshot. Your great man Miyazaki said that only otaku like him are allowed to criticize otaku, anyone else has no idea what they're talking about (ie. shut the fuck up). >Nice try fag Check yourself before you wreck yourself. >For a lib-hater you sure talk like one Taking issue with "chauvinist" is a great way of exposing yourself as an ignorant westerner that got triggered for being called out for orientalism. >Anime is Japanese animation. It does not have an inherent ideology. This is the fucking iPhone argument all over again. You are comparing a piece of technology with an artistic movement you dumb sack of shit. >Then you don't have anything to bring to the table and you're a useless doomer, who may see the problems of society but doesn't want to think about how it could be changed or what alternatives there are. The dialectic doesn't care about hypotheticals. Shill your idealism elsewhere. >lolishit does nothing to help me keep going, if anything it contributes to this hellworld of mine. Enjoy contributing to the wrecking of Japanese media. >>5775 Shut up hypocrite.
>>5777 Explain to me how shota traps = femboys. I don’t even care for loli shit, do what your heart contents. But explain how shota traps = femboys
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I like shotas more
>>5780 >all this cope Your entire diatribeis sheer schizophrenia, stay mad pedophile
Why are People of Colour in popular representations of loli lacking
>>5863 Random thought, maybe because lolis have the appeal of "dolls" and dark skin isn't doll-like. Dark skinned shotas are rare also.
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>>5875 yeah bitch so what?
>>5886 Time for the gay gulag for you

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