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Is Berserk the most based and redpilled anime? Anonymous Comrade 03/25/2020 (Wed) 02:55:31 No. 1845
Let's see >Guts is a low ass commoner bastard born from a corpse, meant to die, raised in a hellish world (that's literally just the same as our own before Guts encounters any actual demons) so harsh and cruel he likely has severe PTSD by the time he's 15 >Best friend Griffith is a social climbing piece of shit who has to murder and scheme to almost make it to the top, even then the ruling class tells him to go fuck himself and he has to sell his soul to the devil and murder all his friends to finally make it >The ruling class are mostly monsters; the King is a pedophile nut that tries raping his own daughter, the "nicest" nobles were wrapped up in a brutal inquisition >The whole world is ruled by an impersonal, most amoral entity created by human will but superseding all humans, controlling their lives based on it's own whims which are of course encouraged by the worst human impulses >The thing everyone worships is literally evil itself >Even the leaders of the apostles are pawns of the Market, err...."Idea of Evil" Fuck it The godhand are the bourgeoisie The apostles are the petit bourgeois Fuck yea
....You’re all faggots
>>1846 well I can't stand reading or buying manga, and I am not gonna watch the horrible anime adaptation
>>1845 >>The whole world is ruled by an impersonal, most amoral entity created by human will but superseding all humans, controlling their lives based on it's own whims which are of course encouraged by the worst human impulses liberal storytelling
>Reposting from a leftypol thread on Berserk: Berserk has flaws, yes, but anything so ambitious is bound to, and none of them come anywhere close to detracting from its well deserved status as a masterpiece. Berserk, though very definitely seinen, does have some small shonen trappings such as Isidro, Schierke, and (perhaps most divisively) Puck, as well as an intermittent stream of puerile jokes, and (I'll get into this later) its edginess, but even if overused at times these serve to expand the range of the story, rather than allowing itself to become too po-faced to feel believable (like FotNS, for instance) without feeling clumsy (like many of FMA's gags). All of the characters evolve repeatedly and massively over the course of the story, except for Griffith, which drives some of the prime themes; about greatness, dependence on or independence from others, having goals versus merely living, the nature of the human psyche, and of human culture through the lens of human imagination. The fights and battles, while they make up the bulk of pagecount, many of the pivotal moments, and are gripping material, are also accessory to development that occurs while characters travel, meditate, and converse. Perhaps equally important to characters and events in the story, is the world and the increasingly strange things that fill it; a land that is at once wild and brutal even before Fantasia or Eclipse, then increasing peeks into the world of the astral are conceptualized and realized on paper by Miura with an imaginative serenity and nightmarishness matched by few artists. As to a decline in quality? That is a common opinion, and one I would agree with to a limited extent, especially post-boat. But (assuming this isn't bait, which it probably is) your placing it at the Golden Age arc is unusual even for cynics, when the most popular arc (both at the time, and in retrospect for most discussions I see today from the middlebrow "Star Wars peaked w/ ep. V" crowd) was Lost Children. As for the expansion of the cast, it was necessary to buttress themes of personal healing and trust for Guts, similarly to what happened in the Golden Age, but with the added point of his learning to build up the people he surrounds himself with to become his equals, and attempt to secure his victories in some lasting way. Now, as to edginess. I named Berserk as an example of something that has depraved content without feeling trashy not because it uses that content for some purpose (which it does), but because it is thematically unapologetic about it. For instance, as visceral and ruthless as some of the content in FMA, Monster, Now and Then Here and There, and Crest of the Stars is, without being trashy/edgy either, they included such content specifically to condemn the behavior that leads to it, pointing toward a future where it can be stopped, as the overall tone of those anime was distinctly, er... Moralfag-y. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is an easier and more appealing type of story to write. Berserk uses extreme content to paint a portrait of characters, situations, and worlds that could not be adequately realized with more restraint, not just to offer moral commentary or judgement on them, but sheerly to portray them for their own sake. In this respect, I would describe Baccano! and Garden of Sinners as similar to Berserk.
>>1849 This isn’t bait dude, I honestly love Berserk, it’s pretty much the only manga/anime I still like (okay, JoJo is great and FMA was great but Berserk sands above). Just wanted a thread to analyze my favorite series.
>>1850 This isn't a response to your OP, its a repost of a lengthy rebuttal against a rather acidic ttack on Berserk a few months ago that I happened to save.
>>1847 1st anime was actually great (particularly the music), though it only covers the first major arc. Sadly, later anime don't even measure up to 6th-gen vidya adaptations. >>1848 Liberal storytelling would be if "human nature" was eternally fixed, and struggle against it was futile. >>1849 >tfw someone reposted my oc Another section, perhaps more relevant to OP's argument: >Pre-Eclipse vs. post-Eclipse are different, and part of a larger arc for Guts: <Childhood: Turned into a ruthless merc, won't let others near him, no ambition beyond swangin' his sword & shishkin' d00dz <Band of the Falcon: Learns to enjoy the company of others <3rd duel w/ Griffith: Decides to pursue something higher, looking inward spoiler: This was the wrong choice <Rescue arc: Reconnects with his friends, but regresses and stagnates Eclipse <Dark Swordsman: Devastated, but forced to improve again, though he turns completely inward to do this <Rebirth: Forced by Casca, then protecting her, to trust others with more than his own life >At that point, Guts has more than come full circle. He is compelled to advance not only himself, but others around him, to make a permanent dent in the world. This is where the common love of the series by fascists (and accusations of fascism) falls flat, because to this point the moral of Berserk has been that only your own strength can protect you from the ravages of the world, with protecting the weak an ultimately pointless task at best. Beyond it, however, the moral of Berserk shifts to the need not only to make yourself strong, but to transmit that strength to those weaker, and make them strong. This is also where the disconnect from Griffith's false utopia lies, with his regimenting people into followers. >This is where the common love of the series by fascists (and accusations of fascism) falls flat, because to this point the moral of Berserk has been that only your own strength can protect you from the ravages of the world, with protecting the weak an ultimately pointless task at best. Beyond it, however, the moral of Berserk shifts to the need not only to make yourself strong, but to transmit that strength to those weaker, and make them strong. This is also where the disconnect from Griffith's false utopia lies, with his regimenting people into followers.
>>1845 I just read it during the quarantine and love it too. "The Golden age" and "Lost Children" were my favorite arcs. When I was reading "Black swordsman" I didn't expect Berserk to evolve this much, next arc completely blew me away.
>>1853 Everything changes when you see Guts walking away crying after killing the Count
I dunno OP I think it's not so much that demons sacrificing humans is a metaphor for capitalist exploitation and more that exploitation is justified by the more general logic of human sacrifice. The world of Berserk is literal feudalism, and like any other class system it engages in human sacrifice for war and profit without any demons having to be involved.
Berserk is insanely based and is probably the work of fiction that most influenced me over my life. I'll never forget watching the 97 anime when I was 12 at my best friend's house. We watched the entire thing in one night and I was comatose for the next week. I couldn't think of anything else and it just became a part of me. It's a shame the manga has become so stale and drawn out. Even now that things are happening the years of hiatus and filler more or less destroyed my enthusiasm for new chapters. I've decided I'm literally not touching Berserk until it's finished or Miura dies. Nevertheless, I'm incredibly grateful to have experienced it, and the ambition to create something to match or even surpass it is the driving force in my life.
>>1856 Berserk after the loli witch was introduced is a complete, utter and irredeemable shit. So, you can safely catch up on it until that ark and consider it done.
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>>1857 This. By that point in the story I kind of felt it had turned into your average weebshit.
>>1857 >>1859 Yeah, I'm caught up actually. The sheer inertia kept me going through the "companion adventure" bit but now it's just become too much. It's hard to care anymore because Miura gives the impression that he doesn't care himself, or that he's just out of inspiration and is just buying time to figure shit out.
>>1860 I like the companion adventures, the problem is there’s literally 6-8 months between each and every issue now and it’s hard to be invested in a story when that’s the case; there’s so much time between every issue that you just wanna see something actually happen instead of just character interactions and development and shit. Berserk could have been over by now were it not for constant hiatus.
>>1845 > Is Berserk the most based and redpilled anime No, but it has good moments.
I feel like Berserk had a good idea but went way too hardcore and gory just for an edgy EXTREEEEEMEEE factor
>>1864 This thread was posted long before /anime/ was created to divide up discussion from a board barely anybody uses to a board that nobody uses
>>1865 whine more, this is an anime thread, hence it goes in anime. The commie waifu thread is older than fucking hobby is and it still got moved there too. And as for "nobody uses it" anime has a higher PPH than hobby, mostly for threads originally made there.
>>1845 I think this may better belong on anime, but there is already a thread there with Berserk (though lower in quality).
>>1856 > Nevertheless, I'm incredibly grateful to have experienced it, and the ambition to create something to match or even surpass it is the driving force in my life. I hope I get to see it, comrade.
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So Nietzschean! So communist! The author of this Japanese comic must share my political views, otherwise I'd be unable to enjoy it!
>>1863 Did you just read the first 10 chapters or something?
>>3575 >>3576 What’s it like being an utter faggot by choice?
>>3598 Hey man, have you thought about making a YouTube channel, or a "BreadTube" channel as I like to calll them, haha? You could talk about your marxist analysis of Berserk and other Japanese cartoons a.k.a. anime, how Guts is the proletarian and Griffith is the bourgeoisie and stuff. Cool stuff.
Since it wasn't reposted yet
It definitely seems overtly Neitzchean to me but I'm lost as to how you would could it marxist without sounding like a dumbass. The show never really makes much of class conflict in any meaningfull capacity, it's mostly just set in a shitty and unforgiving world. Hell, if anything the politics of the world that Berserk is set in are machiavellian. That suits the world better too imo, needs society to continue on being harsh. Honestly the main character would laugh in your face for trying to make the story about your own preconceptions of the world.

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