No.3390
>>3388What happened, exactly?
The hololive thread on /jp/ is just too fast to get any good info.
No, really, it's even faster that the damn trump general on /pol/>I'm saddened to hear that even something as innocent as the vtuber sphereThat shit is corporate as fuck, dude.
It actually surprised me how quick it got porkied up.
No.3391
I find it hilarious. The /jp/sies are positively pissing themselves with rage.
No.3392
>>3390Haato was looking at audience statistics and mentioned Taiwan. Sometime after Coco showed an analytics page with Taiwan on it, her bilibili stream immediately went down. Chinese fans demanded an apology day one, radio silence for three days which made Chinese fans furious. Then Coco and Haato got suspended for three weeks by their management which made Japanese and English language fans furious. Now the CCP is somehow being blamed even though I'm not sure what the CCP had to do with it directly speaking.
No.3393
The /jp/ thread is actually kinda entertaining.
>Some vtuber defends the chinese
>Half of the thread loses their shit (including some paypigs)
The rest of the thread is just glowie propaganda.
No.3394
>>3393Actual CIA niggers think that chapos are the most threatening thing about the left, they don't know shit about this. This is just homegrown reddit/pol/ autism.
No.3395
/anime/ - Shit-eating Youtube Celebrities
No.3397
This is just another example of COVER being shit with protecting their employees, and I'm really not looking forward to all the free HK style spam that will probably be shit out, so I'll try to shift to watching indies.
No.3398
Does anyone have that story about burgers that flipped out over a Che mural put up in Ireland?
No.3399
In the event of Coco and Haato graduating by the end of three weeks, I hope K Son can kind of come back to the indie scene and give Haato a hand.
No.3400
>>3395/anime/ was approved as a general weeb board newfriend
No.3401
>>3397What are the indies anyways?
No.3407
>>3388 e-celebs wearing an anime girl face are still e-celebs.
>>3391 /jp/ has reclined.
No.3410
>>3407>/jp/ has reclined.Some things never change however. The pedophile group that believes lolikon pornography is exclusively made by and for pedophiles is still claiming this in 2020 even though it's been debunked by historical research of the lolikon phenomenon and its fanbase in Japan.
No.3411
>>3410 What does this have to do with the thread and why is it the third time someone brings it up on an unrelated thread? Are you that desperate for attention?
No.3412
>>3508
>What's wrong with vtuber ecelebs?
Social media might be more up your alley.
No.3416
I don't get how can anyone stomach watching these, their face-tracking software is pure garbage. I tried watching some clips of them singing but they might as well just put up a static image instead of some half-assed animation that does not match the movements involved in singing at all.
No.3417
>>3411We were talking about the state of /jp/ friend take it easy, also this is my first time bringing it up on bunkerchan, where else is this being mentioned?
No.3418
My friend group is already shitting out reactionary anti-China memes that reminds me of the Hog Kog glowie retardation. I'm hoping the issue will just pass, people will shift focus to YouTube removing community contributions or something, and nobody tries to escalate the issue by doubling down.
>>3390tl;dr: They recognized Taiwan as a separate entity from China which violates the One-China policy.
No.3439
>>3392>>3418so to get this straight, a bunch of Chinese fans got upset over the mention of Taiwan, and their company overreacted and might fire them because of it?
No.3441
>>3439>a bunch of Chinese fans got upset over the mention of Taiwan,It's a bit more complex than that. From what I can tell, everyone's oversimplifying the situation and leaving out the fact that there's a whole chain of unfortunate coincidences that caused the Chinese to think that Coco hated them, which is why they forgive Haato but some are calling for Coco's head.
>and their company overreacted and might fire them because of it?Cover Corp isn't good at protecting their employees and this incident is coming right after the Mano Aloe's forced retirement, so people are freaking out thinking "the goddamn commies killed coco!!!!1!!" when they really just gave them a 3 week break.
The company has issued out a couple of statements on the matter, but people don't accept apologies easily these days, so y'know…
No.3442
>>3441>From what I can tell, everyone's oversimplifying the situation and leaving out the fact that there's a whole chain of unfortunate coincidences that caused the Chinese to think that Coco hated them, which is why they forgive Haato but some are calling for Coco's head.Yes, I remember reading that Chinese fans think Coco hates them. Mind elaborating how this happened?
No.3451
CANCEL CULTURE GONE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No.3459
>>3442From what I've read, they think that Coco did it deliberately because her analytics showed she had a lower Chinese viewer/dono base than the other vtubers.
>>3447Do people on Bili even care?
No.3464
>>3459It's just REEEEEEEEing at some minority of chinese posters
No.3469
>>3466Thank you 69 Spacezin
No.3475
>>3442I can't be arsed to look into it more since all the discussions zones are flooded with useless anti-communist reactionary trash, but it looks like Coco's incident happens right after Haato's incident which made some people think she was doubling down and personally giving China the middle finger.
The people going "wtf commies killed coco" are just reactionaries that watch garbage like Hero Hei and won't do anything but continue to be fed garbage by YouTube's autoplay algorithm.
I don't understand why idiots think Cover Corp would just fire their two best employees like that's a terrible business approach. The circumstances are completely different from the Mano Aloe incident since Mano Aloe barely lasted a month under Cover Corp so there was really no risk.
No.3970
>>3969dumb thread
vtubers themselves are walking commodities and for those trying 2 escape the grotesque flesh but not in the cool transhumanist way
No.3971
I don't care, and this is a shit thread.
>>3970shut the fuck up and let people enjoy things goddamn, not everything is a moralistic battle for the soul of mankind
No.3972
Didn't think someone would find a way to make the youtuber/streamer experience more artificial and commodified and yet here we are
No.3974
>>3969> I think some of them are cute and funny.yes
No.3976
>>3969>>3972fill me in, what are vtubers?
No.3977
>>3969go to >>>tech or >>>anime
>>3971i agree,those types are like nazbols.the only reason they hate capitalism or consoomerism is they don't find product to consoom and doesn't like/hate the products.not explotation*inefficiency* or environmental-damage.just can't finding product to consoom
>>3973>>3975you see,how much they triggered
No.3978
>>3976ai-youtuber as i know.
No.3979
>>3976vagina tubers
It's an abhorrent sexual fetish…
No.3980
>>3976Think of pewdiepie or markiplier but if they were pretending to be anime girls while using some face rig to look like it's a moving drawing the one who's playing games and not some fatass japanese guy
No.3982
>>3976Virtual Youtubers (shorten to vtubers).
They're basically like regular game streamers but they have anime avatars and roleplay as their characters.
Most of them are Japanese, but there's a growing number of English-speaking vtubers as well.
No.3984
>>3976They're youtubers that use software to overlay a cartoon character over their face that tracks their movements, so it's like the cartoon cahracter is the one playing the game.
No.3985
>>3978>>3980>>3982>>3984thanks comrades for answering my lazy arse's question.
No.3986
>>3976>fill me in, what are vtubers?Vtubers is when a society that you thought can't get any more perverse and alienated actually becomes more perverse and alienated/
No.3987
>>3969china's vtubers are based is all i can say
No.3988
>>3986>cartoons are degenerateok puritan
No.3992
>>3990I stubbed my toe on a chair yesterday, so I threw it out because it was fascist.
No.3995
it's absolute capitalist decadence, but a perfect representation of how fucking alienated today's people are. For crying out loud some people fantasize about fucking these poorly animated anime avatars instead of actually getting laid. It's sad and pathetic at the sime time and I honestly try not to think about it too much because it just makes me more depressed than I already am.
No.3999
cringe and painfully awkward to watch. like wtf is this supposed to do for me? what am i supposed to feel with these? they just make me horribly uncomfortable. i also know some dudes who are super into vtubers and that just turns me off it even more.
No.4000
>>3993We have to seize that space before them and make anime girls that spread immortal science of marxism leninism.
No.4001
Alienation is not when you roleplay with an avatar FFS
No.4002
>>3969how do i hide a post in leftypol i dont wanna see this shit
No.4004
>>3969Can I get an example of a vtuber?
No.4005
what the fuck is a vtuber
No.4006
>>4002Click the circle with a line in the middle and then click hide thread
No.4007
>>4004Houshou Marine is the one in the OP
No.4008
>>3969>cute and funnyabsolutelly shameless
No.4011
>>4001escaping reality by role playing as an anime avatar is pretty much peak alienation
No.4012
It's shit like this that makes me think niggas like Adorno and Kachinsky were 10000% right
No.4013
>>4010There's one but she's cucked revisionist socdem
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiIorjuYtMeFIcqlHQmF6Lw/videosHard to expect better from a country so cucked by US though
>>4011Are you escaping reality by posting anonymously instead of attaching your photo and full name to every post?
No.4014
>>4011Most of them do it hoping to get big enough to make a living off of it. It's no different from regular streaming, in any way except that they are more anonynous.
No.4016
>>4013I can't believe something like this really exists
No.4017
>>3969FFS we already have a youtube thread, we don't need another one, even if it is transferred from /leftypol/. SHould have just locked the thread and linked the anime youtuber thread
No.4033
>>3976Streamers that use anime/cartoon characters to represent themselves. It's no different than shit like rantsonas/avatars that people on youtube have been doing for a decade now.
No.4041
>>3969 E-celeb cancer with an anime girl mask, no less worse than twitchfags or youtubeshitters.
No.4043
some have good designs and i am horny sometimes
No.4050
>>4043I like 'em. But i'm also very lonely.
No.4051
>>4015>>4026Urhue is the OG content creator.
No.4052
They're fun as characters and/or actors but they can be even more dangerous for the psyche than standard streamers, especially ones like Rushia that really lean into the virtual GFE.
No.4171
>>3969>cute and funnymost of them are grown-ass men
No.4176
>>4171Damn, they must be really great actors then
No.4196
Most Vtubers (the ones with a cute anime girl avatar) are a depressing reminder of the state of the world and weebs today
Some Vtubers are ok though. I used to like Kizuna Ai, she wasn't trying to be disgustingly kawaii, she didn't fake a childish anime accent, and she reacted like a real fucking person, at least compared to all these 2D Vtubers
No.4211
>>4196That's the whole point of vtubers. They act not like real people just enough to be "anime-like" in their attitude, but not embarassingly childish.
It wouldn't have became as popular if they were mainly acting or not acting at all.
I do not really understand why you chose Kizuna Ai as an example, because she is very obvious with her being just an actor.
No.4242
Social media threads should stay in social media.
Thank you and godo night.
No.4248
>>4242>godo night<can't even do 'le fake wapanese' right
Honestly fuck off with your pointless whining. Either post content you like and 'be the change' you want to see, or stop complaining about every other thread that happens to pop-up
A) Social media is any digital tool that allows users to quickly create and share content with the public. WE ARE SOCIAL MEDIA you fucking twat, we're just anonymous and don't require an account to post
B) This thread was moved from /leftypol/ to the next most appropriate board according to mods - /anime/. It's not even that popular and is only higher in the catalog because it's new.
No.4282
>>4013Using anime avatars and being a vtuber to spread leftist ideology. Now dats PRAXIS
No.4285
>>3969its bourgeoisie degeneracy
No.4567
Suddenly every retard is ok with e-celebs because they're posing as anime girls
No.4594
>>4567See
>>4248This thread was a /leftypol/ thread, so much for your whining about how 'leftypol' will be the only leftist anime board'
No.5005
>>3969It's pretty much the same as regular streamers. People do feel they are more "authentic", ironically, because since they are "anonomized" by their avatars it feels like they are more honest somehow.
It's bullshit tho. They're just as much playing personas as everyone else online. Some of them are very good entertainers, and quite funny, but most of them are just subpar comedians/actors/singers "enhanced" by some decent character design.
I do like watching some of them, but honestly, it's not really very relevant, they were just lucky because the pandemic raised online viewerships for obvious reasons, which exploded their channels.
No.5010
>>5005It feels more authentic because you know that the character you see is a persona. While with an actual person there is an expectation that they are somehow "real". It's like rap music artist are expected to be hood to come off as authentic while metal musicians can be the dorkiest skinny fucks possible because they have a more thick layer of personality that is pretty obviously fake.
No.5011
>>5010That is true. The expectations are definitely different, which does contribute to less of a "whiplash" when they obviously end up not being the way they act on stream. Still, the fundamental premises are the same, that is, it's all just an (sometimes elaborate) act.
Honestly the puritanism that people declare against this sorta stuff and anime is pointless honestly, commodities are commodities, no matter if they are cars or cute anime girls. I do get really annoyed by all the pseudo-Nechayevs in this board, ready to give up every and all small pleasures for the sake of a hypothetical revolution and to chastise people who aren't """as strong""" as them.
No.5016
kek based soyposter
No.5019
>>He's still mad
>LOL
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No.5020
>>5011The one interesting thing about vtubers that supports my theory is that a lot of them just seems like a bunch of perverts. Gawr for example despite the generally more "innocent" persona was doxxed and made like a bunch of horny posts in the past and I think she has been known to "like" twitter posts of lewd pictures of her character.
The other vtubers are much, much more open in their general horniness. Hell the very first popular "vtuber" was IMO project melody a straight up cam whore who is actually liked instead of disdained by people outside the people who jerk off to them.
No.5022
>>5020that's the main argument for the "authenticity" i feel, but it's just the anonomity (despite how easy it is to figure out who are the people behind the avatars). There is a certain perverted candidness about being honest behind a mask, right? Like those weird european bourgeois parties.
No.5024
>>5020>Gawr for example despite the generally more "innocent" persona was doxxed and made like a bunch of horny posts in the pastYou can't just claim that and not provide some links.
No.5025
>>5024Well you can just take a look at
>>5023, since that's who anon was talking about. I mean it's not even subtle.
No.5026
In all honesty, being a vtuber seems like a better gig than being a regular streamer, the layer between the person and the persona probably absorbs a bit of the impact of death threats and the general unpleasantness of being a public person. Still probably a pretty crappy job tho, unless you hit it really big like hololive (and even then it still sounds kinda shit)
No.5497
>>5074>greentexted excerptsyes, what is it you want to say?
No.5621
>>3969/v/tubers are the newest low otaku culture has cultivated. no passion, no engagement, just idiots obsessing over boardroom picked anime avatars talking over video games. They are literally just twitch streamers hiding behind a 2D face to trick retards into thinking they are a cute anime girl.
Actually there is literally no otaku culture involved except complete and utter lies. Take the technology away and there is nothing left except some 3D twat
/v/tubers are built on deception and you deserve to be ridiculed for having no self respect. Lower than people donating money on chaturbate.
No.5622
>>5497He's implying melody wasn't the first popular vtuber which is true.
No.5623
>>5621How is that different from any other streamer though? Most streamers are cute women or eboys, that is people you like to look at. If anything it lays the artificiality of the medium bare. Real streamers fake authenticity, but with vtubers, there is not pretense, it is just a character.
No.5629
>>5026VTubers are like the middle road between "using an avatar and a robot voice" and "using your own face and your own voice".
They're kinda like Rantsonas minus the mad with an audience that usually pumps out really good art.
>>5497I think Melody was more niche rather than actually popular.
She kinda just exists after the "OMG CAMGIRL VTUBER STRIPPER" wave fizzled out, then apparently joined VShoujo with Nyanners and whoever.
No.5641
>>5629>She kinda just existsShe's not getting nonstop media coverage anymore, but she's still arguably the most popular EN vtuber with the rest of VShojo and their outer members trailing behind her.
No.5882
Been seeing quite a bit of anticorporate discussion against the company that manages Hololive, Cover Corp. Seems like the idol/streamer format is particularly useful towards questioning the place and utility of "management" (as in, the corporate structure that "manages" the idols) of the talents, given that they could just as well stream by themselves and often are impeded and pointlessly blocked by management. Didn't expect this silly hobby to have some small anticapitalist possibilities, which goes to show that these sort of discussions are becoming a bit more widespread (though i wouldn't really hold my breath about anything radical arising from this)
No.5887
>>5882youre retarded
idol industry has been fucked up since the beginning, hololive inc. is just more of the same but with women wearing anime avatars
No.5888
Which anime is this thread about?
No.5898
>>5888V for Vendetta
united_farm_workersUnited Farm Workers No.5918
>>4211>I do not really understand why you chose Kizuna Ai as an example, because she is very obvious with her being just an actor.Yes, that's the point. I liked her exactly because of that. She may do a cute voice but the way she talks makes it much more tolerable than other Vtubers' voices.
I also like Himono for her art tutorials but when I discovered her I had no idea that just using an animated avatar instead of your real face turned you into a "Vtuber" so I didn't consider her one. Apparently I was wrong though.
>>5888despite the name this board isn't just for Japanese animation.
No.5940
>>5928I thought 4chan staff would never make an e-celeb board
No.5945
degenerate infantile childishness
and yet fascinating at the same time
No.5951
>>5948What we need more of is
cute ojisan Vtubers No.5962
>>5961She gives off mid range IQ autism vibes
No.5985
>>5962wow based who is this?
No.5986
>>5961Cause she's a shark loli
No.5988
>>5987Thanks for confirming I'm indeed a shark loli.
No.5990
>>3993Man hezzbollah is making clones of JRPGs as well now?
No.6001
a guilty pleasure
No.6010
Parasocial trash but at the same time it's not like vtubers or shit like Hatsune Miku are that much less artificial than most 'actual' youtubers or entertainers whose conforming 'personalities' are just as much of a fake product cooked-up by board rooms full of PR people as those.
No.6056
Overdesigned pieces of shit tbh
No.6078
>>6056I would rather say underdesigned they look like shit alot of the time
No.6148
>>5911There should be a fourth circle containing a Fire Emblem character.
No.6642
Are there any in depth information about how the Hololive indsutrie works.
That whole thing is a big mysterie for me
If you watch a stream of one of them you will see they are making alot of money with that
But what happens with the money?
The V-Tuber doesnt own the character the voice or the channel
So theoretically hololive could just pay them minimum wage couldnt they? Like people are saying V-Tuber are getting rich but I just dont see why the companies should pay more than the absolute minimum
No.6647
>>6642 Cover takes a % of everything they earn (i've seen /jp/ say it's around 30% and 50% but can't find a legit source)
they get paid a fixed salary+donos after the cut, and youtube also takes a cut of course.
No.6649
>>6647If thats true they woulf be making alot of money atleast the bigger ones
No.6714
Is fubuki lewdable?
No.6715
>>6647Yeah the vtubers are proles who make wages. The vanguard party will contain anime waifus.
No.6787
>>3969I find them cringy as hell, not only because they perpetuate an stereotypical look of femininity, or because they commodify the female body even more, I can enjoy things that do that and overlook the problematic aspects that come with that. The real reason I find them cringy as hell is because I can't stand their infantile behavior, like that stupid high pitch voice most of them make, or the way they provide "entertainment" by making funny noises or acting unironically like anime characters. It's disgusting and anyone over the age of 18 should feel ashamed of enjoying this kind of barney the dinosaur kind of crap.
No.6793
>>6647Vtubers seem to be socialized.
No.6794
>>6787Is this infantilization not an ovarall trend for how woman behave but also consoomers
No.6895
>>6891They are, /trash/ is just there for the sake of porn dumps and extreme shittalking.
No.6909
>>6787>>6794I decided to bite the bullet and finally watch vtubahs and holy shit are you right.
Mostly popular ones and everyone else trying to imitate them, I've found a few decent ones that are pretty niche and barely have a following. Those ones feel like actual people.
No.8053
she just graduated :(
No.8054
aaand the sinophobes are coming out of the woodworks as usual :/
No.8055
>>8054yeah. Cover as usual didn’t do shit. I hope she’s able to stream as an Indie.
No.8056
This is why I only watch independent vtubers.
No.8065
>>8054/vt/ casually denying nanking ever happened
No.8084
The company itself is a corporate shithole no surprise. Which is why independence is so important here. The redeeming part of the whole hololive thing is the community and the personalities but outside that when it comes to corporate formalism it’s complete shit and bureaucratic.
I honestly don’t understand why things like “antis” exist and this whole thing with China and Taiwan is pathetic nationalist shit. I’m all for a nation to have self determination but at the expense of discipline? Of not having a bunch of retard nationalist starting shit?
No.8085
Thank god vtuber fans will face the wall in the end
No.8086
>>8084there's like a billions of chinamen. The CPC slaps the ones who harass others when they can but they can only do so much honestly.
No.8088
>>8086They’re not doing enough. They should take the nationalist and ironically make them work 14 hour days 6 days a week in a factory with no ventilation in order to teach them about shedding their nationalist reactionary views.
No.8105
>>8056If you know japanese this is totally worth it. You'll find niche stuff like drug and porn addicts that don't behave like literal fucking babies instead of garbage like Hollowlive and imitators.
No.8106
>>8105Those are the ones that get the most hate, aren't they? Why are the Japanese like that?
No.8118
>>8088The CPC know they'll need cannonfodder when the war with the US will come. And nationalists have the perfect mindset for that.
No.8119
>>8106Because Japan hate actually good stuff and just wants to consoom shit all day,obviously.
No.8134
>>8105Hololive has porn addicts though
No.8137
>>8136it's hilarious more than anything
No.8142
>>3390The concept of vtubering itself is a symptom of modern capitalism which breeds loneliness and suffering, and vtubers are capitalist products that pacify those people.
No.8150
>>8139Its way more mindless i think therre was never a daily 8 hour tv show were some animated girl larped as a 8 year old while playing videa
No.8165
>>8053Sad to hear about it. I hope she decided to go independent or something. Fans would find her pretty quick even if she is no longer "Coco".
No.8180
>>8134Sorry I meant sex addicts vtubers who sometimes tweet recently taken pictures of used condoms and stuff.
No.8182
>>8181oof downfall of Hololive accelerating quickly. you just know someone’s gonna do something controversial
No.8185
>>8181Would someone actually stalk a person though?
Like, just leave these weebs alone.
No.8212
>>8181>>8185Hololive takes two incredibly shitty things, streamers and idols, and puts them together. It's only natural something like this would happen.
No.8216
>>8214Not even into vtubers but I've been checking /vt/ only to see their collective meltdown over China.
No.8217
>>8214I feel like Haachama is just delaying the inevitable. Her creative talents has been stripped away through YouTube and Hololive’s Enforcement and she’s being harassed as well. She’s taken so many breaks as well this year.
No.8218
isn't it hilarious how the same retards that shat on 'egirls'/'ethots' and 'simp' culture are now whiteknighting vtubers
and all it took was 2D avatars with anime aesthetics
>>8181it's Perfect Blue all over again
No.8233
>>8181for hololive to become the real deal it needs its first fan attack
with a knife, for traditions sake
brocialismBrocialism No.8239
>>3395>>3407>e-celebs wearing an anime girl face are still e-celebs.this
No.8249
uyghas really getting right-radicalized over streamers.
No.8251
>>8249even worse. a lot are becoming company bootlickers
No.8253
>>8251I hate so much that the hololive board on Futaba is hundreds of times more active than the generic vtuber board. Fucking otaku, man.
No.8259
>>8253are they blaming the CCP
also does futaba have a nijisanji board?
No.8267
>>8182Controversial like what? Hololive members have gotten into controversy multiple times. "Fans" have also done some insane shit.
>>8185>>8212Something similar happened last year after a new hololive member, Mao Aloe, leaked her real identity. She and her ex-boyfrend got harassed and after a short while she quit or was fired.
>>8181I really hope Pekora can avoid this shit. I fucking hate these anti shitheads that harass idols. The fact such a small minority of people can ruin an idol's career is fucked. As much money as the fuckers at Hololive make they should be doing more to protect their talent.
>>8217It sucks. She was probably my favorite and now she has her hands tied in combination with whatever personal issues she is having.
No.8270
>>8267vtubers saying swear words is not controversial
No.8282
>>8270saying the N word is controversial
doing un-idol shit in general is controversial since the holos are marketed as idols
No.8284
We have to remember these are human beings behind this whole thing. This idol culture crap is insane and it is preferable if it was done by the full ownership of the person “selling” themselves, because this corporate shit is insane.
What is so hilarious though is that these losers got what was coming to them, not the idols, but the fans who were simping a corporation and got fucked in the when this corporation does corporate shit. It only reveals the “fandom” for the bankruptcy that they are. Man how I would love to kick one of those losers until they are convulsing on the ground. It would get off on beating those corporate bootlickers. What is funny is that they dehumanize the idols more than the corporations do by going to war about some country and shit, it’s hilariously insane.
No.8340
>>8270They got into a lot of controversy because of China related stuff and a couple other things.
No.8341
>>8284I love idol shit, but I've never understood the people that are fans of the corporation too. Like, you can be an idol fan without simping their boss.
No.8388
Unrelated to Hololive, but some in /vt/ are having a meltdown because a fairly well-known indy watched left-related shit during an Q&A, is pro Palestine, spoke positively of Marx and Lenin and talked about how the CIA ruined South America.
No.8389
>>8388so there's at least one good vtuber out there?
No.8392
>>8389Still waiting for the ML propaganda Vtuber
No.8394
>>8388Name of the vtuber? Sounds based
No.8396
>>8388based. What’s the name?
No.8397
>>8394>>8396Futakuchi Mana, a metalhead. Mind you, her content is pretty much 65% shitposting on Youtube, and the rest music and just chatting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6B6UYrxFzEStarts at around 45 minutes.
No.8401
>>8397>metalhead>left-leaning (leftist?)sounds based to me
No.8511
Can someone explain to me how that Aqua girl gets so much hate? Idk where it came from all I know is that they get dislike bombed or something.
No.8518
>>8511burger schizos hate her bc they made a narrative that she’s a Chinese “Communist” state asset but that’s all I know
No.8539
Another reminder that having parasocial relationships turns you even more retarded.
>>8397Based.
No.8542
>>8422THIS
even if the maoist bitch in this thread
Chinese weebs r also shit
No.8547
i feel empty…
No.8548
>>8545I also hate both sides. Strange maomao
But Chinese weebs r also shit
No.8552
>>8542This people are some real degenerates.
No.8554
>>8551man… the letters fucked me over
No.8570
I was neutral towards vtubers until corporations decided to join the party and fucking infect it with the cancer that is the idol industry and its culture. Now the only vtubers 99% of people care about are Holoshit and the sort.
I hate corporations and I hate mindless weeaboos almost as much.
No.8605
relevant video except for livestreamers in china. hololive is probably the same just gleaning off their mentions in some streams regarding management and stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlnfiULnmMY No.8607
>>8606what do i do to fill the void time before work if i cant do parasocial relationships
No.8608
>>8607Any hobbie on earth but watching the most mindless of lowbrow shit on earth
Even working in a fursona is more dignifying
No.8628
>Chinese Pirate Site Allegedly Bans Yakuza Games Over Kiryu Coco Shout-outhttps://techraptor.net/gaming/news/chinese-pirate-site-bans-yakuza-games-over-kiryu-coco-shout-out
>Voice Actress Ai Kayano's lines removed from Arknights after Chinese people object to her visiting Yasukuni Shrinehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xZNRBTHKDMChina weebs never ever
No.8629
>>8628Is it still bc of that Taiwan thing?
No.8630
>>8629No, Takaya Kuroda (The va for Kazuma Kiryu) thank coco in a tweet and 3DM got mad
No.8631
>>8628Yeah, Chinese weebs are fucking terrible. Some GamerGate-tier consoomer mentality they have over there.
No.8635
why are chinese weebs so vicious
No.8638
>>8628This is fucking based, what the fuck are you Nipcucks crying about?
Somebody has to tell the Japanese about WWII, most of them don't even know what their government did (of which still is an imperialist core nation, btw, and rapidly upping its military budget).
No.8639
>>8631>GamerGate-tier consoomer mentalityWhat an awful straw man of gamergate. Simply wanting a better games media industry to critique bad games and all the other awful shit being pushed in the games industry does not make someone a consumer whore. In fact the very pejorative "consumer whore" was thrown about constantly around that time.
No.8640
>>8638>This is fucking based, what the fuck are you Nipcucks crying about? getting butthurt about pointless shit like the weeb you are.
No.8641
>>8638I doubt most Chinese gamers/weebs care that much about that. Most of it is just dumb nationalism.
No.8648
>>8645>unironically repeating media smears about a seven year old event on a basket weaving forum most critical of the mediaWhat's your pathology anon? Did a gamer hurt you deeply in the past?
No.8650
>>8639>>8648lol this schizo weenie got to /anime/
No.8651
>>8648Ah yes I remember all those journos calling GG an impotent consumer revolt (like all consumer revolts) that doesn't attack the core problem and only want to Consume Better.
Do you use search.php to show up any time someone mentions this thing? Fucking /v/ermin holy shit, also has the gall to pathologize others for not liking his neo-Project Chanology while doing this thing. Same posting style every single time.
No.8652
>>8651gamergate was right about quinn being a shitty person and game journalism being cancer and the media response presaged the overt narrative manipulation we're seeing now with shit like hunter biden's laptop
No.8655
>>8652you mean the nepotism from hunter or his liking of fucking black chicks? I mean okay.
No.8661
>>8655stfu radlib
>his liking of fucking black chicksyou don't?
No.8662
>>8661yeah I like 'em dark.
No.8831
>>8658>the sexists are in the green square mostlystfu compassfag, ur shitty chart means nothing.
No.8833
>>8397i’ve listened to her music and watched shit posts i didn’t know she was so based
No.8959
V-tubers are cringe. the waifufagging of shit like Gawr Gura is just tiresome.
No.9001
nyanners is a good vtuber
No.9002
Vtubers are cancergroucho_marxismGroucho Marxism
No.9003
hate vtuber fan base with a passion but like vtubers. what is wrong with me
No.9158
They are boring
Why the fuck do people even watch these boring uguus play boring mainstream video games
They don't have any personality to provide fun commentary
They just make cute noises
No.9163
>>4196Some of them like tsukino mito aren't like cringey anime larpers. nijisanji is way better than hololive in this regard.
No.9173
>>9158>cute noisesMoe noises more like… it's like IRL waifufagging, like what happened with Miku and vocaloid.
No.9180
>>6891They are. That thread existed prior to /vt/'s existence when western vtubers weren't allowed on /jp/. It stayed on /trash/ mainly because people love being able to post porn and go schizo when they want to.
>>9158>Why the fuck do people even watch these boring uguus Ask yourself "who is their core viewerbase" and everything else makes sense.
No.9185
>>9180I hate streaming and all this online video shit, it's so soul-less and dead and people watching it are just as dead-inside as the content.
No.9208
We don't call em vtumors for no reason
No.9241
Same as conventional celebrities; a poor choice of obsession.
You're free to enjoy them, and I guess they might be entertaining personalities, but I'd rather enjoy more conventional art that isn't trying too hard. I think of vtuber's the way I think of the Kardashians; I don't.
No.9288
Anyone else hate the new graphic designers of sites like the fandom.wiki? This obsession of making them formatted like phone systems (despite phones having their own separate system anyway) is fucking annoying.
>As we move into the future of Fandom, we have a new logo, new colors, and new desktop and mobile experiences. Learn more about the future of Fandom here. https://community.fandom.com/wiki/The_Future_of_Fandom How to return the old design:
https://old.reddit.com/r/wikia/comments/nq1emp/how_to_opt_out_of_the_new_fandom_look/ No.9295
>>9288I hope fandom dies.
No.9299
>>9295why? The site is quite useful and often much better than wikipedia.
No.9305
V-tubers arrived because people like
https://archive.is/vO8j5 died
No.9310
>>9288there was a point where i believed that UI/UX designers for websites were being made to intentionally fuck shit up so that users move move to apps instead, but now i'm convinced that 50% of them are just retarded
No.9321
>>9158tbh a lot of them are interesting people with interesting quirks and stories besides just funny cute noise. it’s just clippers that are cancerous clipping “cute” moments who definitely fetishize them. although, most gaming streams are extremely boring since they’re basically just reading off dialogue and occasionally interacting with a backseat if armchair chat. collabs and talking streams are the best although you are often reminded of the artificial barriers being kept to maintain privacy, but I’m noticing that’s true even in in real life.
No.9330
>>9310I'm convinced it's both
No.9352
>>9321Look at korone. She's super popular for some reason but all does is pretend like infantilized kawaii uguu noise box
No.9354
>>9321I hate V-tubers but frankly what I really hate is their brain dead fans, in a way I can respect V-tubers for exploiting the fuck out of utter braindead bootlickers with absolutely 0 coercion required. It's pitiful behavior and even if I were committed to the idea, I would have no idea where to start with saving these people, since a lengthy amount of therapy and diet is all that will help them.
No.9386
>>9288Is there any guide to return to when it was Wikia and none of this "FANDOM™" shit?
No.9392
>>9386>eturn to when it was Wikia and none of this "FANDOM™" shit?Unfortunately no, you'll have to use archive.is and wayback for any chance of that.
No.9393
>>9392>>9386However if anyone on /tech/ is interested, they might take you up on a proposal to create such a system.
No.9399
It's just fucking random female streamers preying on lonely depressed men. Like what is even revolutionary about this shit.
No.9400
>>9399>Like what is even revolutionary about this shit did someone claim them as revolutionary? I missed that.
No.9401
>>9400A lot of people are, especially leftists in weeb circles
Somehow people who detested the idea of thot streamers are now simping for vtubers day in day out
No.9402
>>9401I frankly haven't seen it, but I don't use discord or weeb circles outside this site… though r/AniCommunism is faggy and liberal enough to do that.
No.9407
>>9401>people who detested the idea of thot streamers are now simping for vtubers day in day outand on top of that the people who defended egirl streamers despise vtubers. It's weird as fuck, but my guess is that it's due to the aesthetics of it all. Both of them are two sides of the same coin.
No.9594
Hololive Egnlish 2nd just dropped
No.9618
>>8831just like randomly bitching about GG, it the few thing from the old world u hoe
No.9861
>>8086PLA needs to have a branch for cyberbullying imperialists.
No.9862
>>8651>Ah yes I remember all those journos calling GG an impotent consumer revolt (like all consumer revolts) that doesn't attack the core problem and only want to Consume Better.the core problem with…games journalism? you read journalists to get the take on what's wrong with their own industry?
No.9866
>>9862>you read journalists to get the take on what's wrong with their own industry?yes, in the usa there are journalists criticizing other journalist and their own industry for corruption and shadiness, it has gotten that bad now
No.10471
May as well use this thread. China is apparently going to crackdown on "effeminate" fictional characters. I await the shitstorm.
No.10472
>>10471For one thing if I recall correctly this isn't true. Secondly, that's not really a big problem unless they're going to ban anything remotely perceived as effeminate.
No.10791
>>10790For Context :
Nina Kosaka of Nijisanji EN. There's speculation that she was formally a twitch streamer called Monkeyism due to the similar voice.
* Nina:
https://youtu.be/aMOXkLfVU8k* Monkeyism:
https://youtu.be/sULAImu93HwMonkeyism was known for being left-leaning and open about her opinions including politics. This has angered some folks on 4chinlet's vtuber board /vt/ since they think that Nijisanji a major vtuber agency has let in a leftist who will push her leftist ideas on their English branch of vtubers.
You can see them seething about it here:
https://warosu.org/vt/thread/S11237486 No.10793
>>10791Left leaning as in socdem?
No.10794
>>10793IDK
>>9401>leftists in weeb circlesthat's a minority of anime viewers
>leftists in weeb circles No.10802
>>10790some ballsy shit tbh. hope she makes it even if she’s fully integrated into corporate world
No.10806
>>10794>>leftists in weeb circleswhoops, I double-greened
No.10827
>>10793I don't watch Twitch, so I don't have a deep understanding about Monkeyism or her views. I first heard about her from /vt/ and they seem to say that she's a 31 year old Ukrainian woman who lives in Canada. This stream of her confirms some of that and indicate that her parents grew up in the Soviet Union:
https://youtu.be/7k_nhO1qHkI?t=764 . She seems to focus on idpol a lot in the stream, such as in a later part when she talks about "brands" not speaking out about BLM enough:
https://youtu.be/7k_nhO1qHkI?t=1337 .
As for Nina Kosaka, in her debut stream she quotes the Soviet-era poet Andrey Dementyev:
https://youtu.be/5FtzYaRfXQc?t=1509 . When I watch Nina's stream, I get the impression of a hint of irony in her voice like she's treating this as a sort of parody of vtubers and corporate branding or something, but maybe that's just me.
This is just from an hour of research so I don't really know. There might be some streams of Monkeyism out there that paint a clearer picture of what her views and background are. If she is leftist, she's most likely never going to outright say it under her current identity because that might get her fired or "graduated" as it's called with vtubers.
No.10896
>>3388>3388Damn checked double dubs
No.11006
In the light of upcoming Japanese general election one of historically strongest Japanese opposition parties - the Japanese Communist Party debuts it's own political vtuber show.
https://youtu.be/prya9nUOr0Ihttps://youtu.be/pIlCGWvtesgFeaturing JCP original characters that are already familiar to those that follow JCP published advertising material and manga.
What are your thoughts about it? Are vtubers now truly mainstream? How it will affect the perception of JCP and Japanese politics in general?
No.11008
>>11006>Vtuber Elections bla bla Societal Spectacle
No.11014
>>11006I feel like they're gonna get steamrolled in this election.
No.11176
I don’t really care that they’re role playing, taking the role of a capitalist fills me with anger:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VlTUZN3ScY8and weebs joking about colonization in the comments too
No.11179
>>11178Cutesy/moe anime Chinese sounds absolutely disgusting
>Cool racist virtual girl from chinabruh
No.11253
>>11250Very important video, thanks for reposting. Truly Vtube is a demonstration of the cruel cyberpunk future that is encroaching on society. .>>>/hobby/7701
The explanation of Parasocial relationships is very important and puts into laymans terms something I've struggled to explain to some people. This issue of Vtube is also applicable to the concept of Virtual Reality (games) such as depictions like SAO or .Hack
Overall excellent video.
No.11255
>>11250I would appreciate it more if he didn't go autismo mode on the degeneracy,christcuck arguments,because it's just gonna make easy for most people to dismiss him,since like 1/3 of the video is him being mad about masturbation,muh transhumanists,muh degeneration of the west.
Especially since he is actually level headed when he actually talks about the subject.
No.11258
>>11257yeah sure buddy,but his answer is christ,and NOTHING else,he hasn't said bourgeois a single time,and he praise "anti-cap" China and Russia (lol) only because they deal with his pet peeve,this isn't a prolekult video.
Also I'm not talking about porn (because it's a terrible industry and I'm not defending that),I'm talking about him being butthurt about promiscuity in general and the sexual revolution,the guy litterally gets mad at women for being "forced" to be "career oriented" or because one talks about her period (which yeah it's crass,but it's a major part of a woman life,as somebody who lived with his mom and two sisters,I'm not really disgusted by it anymore,maybe you could make the argument it shouldn't be exposed to the public ?).
>propagating a false imageThe one he picked litterally tells he's a "he" right in the bio (I think it's still bad tho),and he segue on a rant about transexuals being degenerate right after to satisfy his inner spooks.
He's saying a lot of truth,but he's retarded and nobody will really want to bother with what he says if he ends up derailling his points with christian propaganda every two minutes.
(also I'm pretty sure he would seethe if you showed him that pic,seeing the rest of his content,you're putting too much faith in a burger bible thumper)
No.11260
Embedding error.
>>11258>his answer is christ,and NOTHING elseNo it isn't you actual idiot, he's talking about the material and social changes in Western society, you're not listening. Also stop phoneposting, your spacing is horrendous.
>he hasn't said bourgeois a single time He said capitalist and capitalism, not everyone is a pseudo-intellectual trying to throw buzzwords.
>Muh China and Russkies Ok liberal, back to reddit. And yes, they are right to ban this shit.
>I'm talking about him being butthurt about promiscuity in general and the sexual revolution 1) Sexual promiscuity isn't good that isn't the point of communist movements in regards to sexuality
2) He specifically points out the fact that the "sexual revolution" became nothing more than a capitalist co-op to promote their vulgar ideology.
>litterally gets mad at women for being "forced" to be "career oriented" He literally got mad because it's correct, it's not revolutionary to have "More *clap* Female *clap* CEOs *clap* and the system forcing women to labour 9-5 jobs just like men to barely scrap by and support their family, leading to alienation in families.
>because one talks about her period It's crass and private, it's barely different to taking a shit or a piss, I don't care to let others see that or se others doing it. It's not about "muh vymin" but about them not having any self-respect, that's exactly the problem of capitalism - making people have no self-respect for themselves and encouraging them to be figurative (and literal) whores. I'd hardly call that empowering.
>The one he picked litterally tells he's a "he" right in the bio it's 'literally' and the point is that they point out that as an example of people getting either baited by fake voices OR being so lacking for connections and friendship that they don't care if the visage they see is a lie, it's convenient that you keep on about him talking about "muh trans" despite that being a couple seconds at best and only part of his point that also includes middle aged women and fat hairy men ERPing.
>segue on a rant about transexuals being degenerate right after Stop making shit up.
> nobody will really want to bother with what he says if he ends up derailling his points with christian propaganda every two minutes Again stop making shit up, as it's fairly obvious as to what points fit to each other
>I'm pretty sure he would seethe if you showed him that pic Projection.
No.11263
>>11260>It's crass and private, it's barely different to taking a shit or a piss, I don't care to let others see that or se others doing it. It's not about "muh vymin" but about them not having any self-respect, that's exactly the problem of capitalism - making people have no self-respect for themselves and encouraging them to be figurative (and literal) whores. I'd hardly call that empowering. So talking about your period is being a whore? How?? Is that also your opinion about people who casually mention having to take a piss?
No.11264
>>11256Yes, and?
compass is a spook, but the few insight of old gg we have and it was 2014-2016 when that meme was still popular
No.11265
>>11006>>10791>best milf is based socdem gang>vtuber mspaint communism based
No.11269
>>11263You're twisting my words knave; Being open and uncensored about it is vulgar like a hooker. Saying "It's my period" is not the same thing as
A) not bothering to be private about the act itself
B) being 'proud' of it for some damned reason.
Capitalism encourages people to be libertines because if you have no sense of privacy or self-respect, you are the perfect consumer, ready to eat any of the shit they feed you and shit it out to others. And yes I'm being crass because that is just how utterly dehumanizing it truly is.
No.11274
>>11269This is a really shitty and retarded opinion
No.11282
>>11269>I straight up birthed out my entire fucking vagina skin at onceYou're afraid of a joke like that?
No.11289
>>11274Yes your post is a shitty and retarded opinion
>>11282>afraid of a jokeThe fuck are you talking about? Nobody brought up fear, it's about being a vulgar cunt. There is no joke in it, nor is it something to be talked about; shit and piss jokes are already the most lowbrow of kiddie jokes and anything on that level is no more justifiable in a public context - this isn't even the kind of shit most friends would joke about unless you're immature teenagers trying to be edgy and stupid.
No.11323
>11321
this is a vtuber thread?
No.11329
>>11289I don't see what's wrong with a little shit and piss jokes from time to time honestly.
No.11339
>>11321I can't believe they're still playing this card after it failed to help Ghostbuxxters
No.11351
>>11329In an adult setting on occasion it's fine, I'd hardly claim to have never done a joke like that, but shit like the graphically disgusting description of "birthing out" a period isn't even a joke and is very low effort.
>>11339 They played the same card for Captain Marvel and Birds of Prey and every other schlock movie, cartoon and comic being produced in recent times, since Ghostbusters, they'll never learn the lesson IMO.
No.11352
>>11350 >Nah Go back to /siberia/ spammer.
No.11474
I've been watching some v-tuber stuff lately, and it looks like they have similar dynamics to other game-playing-talking-heads like Asmongold. In both genres you have the main streamer generating many hours of streaming content. Then you have a bunch of orbiter streamers of various tiers that generate content based off of that original content (reaction videos), or collaboration content, and then whole ecosystems of secondary content distribution like fanlation channels, "best of" channels, commentary, etc.
I'd like to take a closer look at what sort of broadcast schedule vtubers actually have, because the impression I get is that these channels are basically content sweatshops. The content is just being mechanically spun out in 4-5 hour streams where the streamer just babbles endlessly to an endlessly babbling chat stream. Aside from their solo streams, there are collabs, "raids", and then however much time is spent outside of their streams with their idol managers coordinating all of the "character" interactions.
Have any v-tubers actually gone on record as to the exact parameters of their job? However many hours a week of content they're obligated to produce, that kind of thing? I have to wonder what sort of industry protections these girls get. For the American vtubers like Nyanners, I guess that would be the Screen Actors Guild? Although I bet there's some bullshit where mo-capping and voicing a CG anime girl doesn't make you a "voice actress" because a corporation didn't pay you to do it.
NO MORE IDOL COMPANIES
IDOL UNIONS NOW
But for real, get the streamers to unionize.
No.11478
>>11474idols and online shit probably booming for the same reason South Korean shows popping up on streaming platforms. investors can sniff out(literally research) the exploitation and non-protection these industries have and go bank in dumping money. there’s also the hidden economy of freelance riggers and artists that companies and independents(no shade to them) are definitely underpaying
No.11479
>>11478showing up on Western Streaming platforms*
also, is nobody gonna talk about boot licker occasionally resurfacing in these idols?>>11176
No.11481
>>11253Fucker, post didn't connect
>>>/hobby/7701 No.11502
>>10791Lol, to think I completely skipped on nijien 3 despite watching one of them almost every day since lazu debut
kinda grew bored of most of them tbh already I guess I'll check this one out.
No.11703
>>11699Isn't she from Taiwan? If this had been a PRC based meme people'd be aall oer about it being 'raseest'.
No.11816
>>11260China is a capitalist country which also has vtubers. Cope harder fascist lmao. You'll never have the touch of a female being an autistic virgin sperg such as urself.
No.11856
>>11816>China<hurr if you say China did something right that must mean you uncritically support them >Cope harder fascist <Ur a china luver<ur fasheestPick one coomerfag
>ou'll never have the touch of a female being an autistic virgin sperg such as urselfProjection is a mental disorder, take meds.
No.11860
>>11856You could be giving the board more activity by making posts that are actually good, not this garbage that you are doing.
No.11883
>>11856ur dumb lmao why are u crying
No.11886
>>11860>ad hominum>make better posts And you? You've brought nothing to the table, replying to an argument from a week back and just bitching about China like a liberal, creaming "fasheest" and "austist" and "virgeen". Touch Grass
>>11883 ???
No.11890
>>11886>And you? You've brought nothing to the tableExactly, because that was my first post in this thread.
No.11914
vtubers seem almost aggressively positive. It's not hard to see why they're so popular. With everything basically being on fire or a state of collapse, viewers can basically indulge in an endless supply of cute girls doing cute things.
No.12311
>>11474Amane Kanata explained more or less what goes into a day of work of a Hololive member. Though this obviously doesn't apply to all streamers or all vtubers, it shows what it's like to be one of the very successful ones. It's a pretty harsh schedule, but I'm not sure how much of that is just general japanese worker overexploitation and how much is specific to idol culture stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcv3F5qKvKE No.12312
>>11474>>12311Vtubers very quickly went through the [hobbyists only]->[normalfags join and the hobby explodes in popularity]->[psychopaths (bourgeois) monetize the hobby] process.
No.12314
>>12313You posted a wojak.
No.12315
vtubets should unionize
No.12339
>>12315How would that work for something like that? I assume you mean Vtubers that work for a business rather than independent Vtubers.
No.12340
for me its gura
No.12350
>>12315Sadly there seems to be no such thing as labor agitation in Japan, so for the major ones (Hololive and Nijisanji) it's a no-go; still, they seem to be in a particularly curious relationship with the company, since though the character is owned by the company (and thus can be used for advertising, etc., without the consent of the streamer) only the streamer can "produce" value in the form of digital content, and if they chose not to work there wouldn't be much the company could do (after all, the character is worth very little without the person behind it — as was made clear with Kizuna Ai).
So in theory labor has a lot of power in such a relationship, but there is no way real-life political and economic issues will ever be discussed in this medium, given the particularly shitty escapist ideology most weebs share.
No.12351
>>4009Man, I used to watch the shit out of this, good times. Big part of my being radicalized.
No.12354
>>12350Now that I think about it, I imagine labor organizing in Hololive would probably be especially rough since the company really promotes itself as being a "family" of sorts.
No.12357
>>12339I've seen IWW ads for fur suit and fur artist unionization so I don't believe independence is necessarily an impediment to unionization.
>>12354Corps in the US lean really hard on that "we're a family" type of anti-union crap and that's very quickly going down the shit tubes in the light of "oh by 'family' you mean you want us to die for minimum wage."
Imo labor organizing in hololive is theoretically easy considering that the streamers themselves are relied on to produce all the content, and without them the company is fucked.
I'd be really curious to learn what sort of health or retirement plan, or really what sort of actual job security vtubers have contractually. The hours they put in seem pretty crazy so I hope they're getting paid at least. I know I'd want some sort of employment guarantees so I don't get Coco'd.
No.12363
>>12357it’s weirder when you consider, on purpose from the staff of the company we’ll never know, that the girls give the impression they know the CEO personally and that they have permission to call him a creep and call him ugly. I think Nijisanji does this too. Theoretically, this venting toward the company can be used as a tool to placate the workers in which they expel frustrations in a manner that is safe, as their consumers have accepted these particular interactions as content; and is reinforced as an artificial boundary through these clipped interactions of the streamers shitting on their bosses. Artificial boundary being created by both clippers and the streamers themselves as it is an inside and oft repeated joke, that makes it clear what is banter and what is actual criticism. Although, call me an empath(lol), I think the streamers are actually disgusted by their bosses and it’s just happened to be interpreted as banter by the clippers.
No.12364
>>12363and then later turned into a commodity by the streamers themselves, especially over time.
No.12392
I don't think i will ever like vtubers
They are the most obvious manufactured and corporate thing in existence
Every time you have a dissenting opinion, or just poke fun at them people will always come to their rescue
I also hate how they're all samey as fuck
Like you can literally be anything you want since it's an avatar, but for some reason they always choose a pale skinned anime girl
It's also very fucked up how it's okay for them to make millions of dollars in earnings, but it's bad for twitch streamers to do that
No.12394
>>12392I'd tell you to learn Japanese and find all the cool niche vtubers streaming on niconico outside of the influence of corporate interests like Holoshit does but I have a feeling you won't bother doing that.
No.12395
>>12392>I also hate how they're all samey as fuck >Like you can literally be anything you want since it's an avatar, but for some reason they always choose a pale skinned anime girlAnd their designs are almost always 100% shit. They're not always pale but even if a Vtuber avatar has dark skin their design is utter shit too.
No.12421
>>12363>>12392i've come to think of it more like a digital version of kayfabe (as in wrestling) than merely a corporate thing which is completely fake. Granted, it would be naive to think that what the streamers (or the company) display is a "reality" not dictated by the profit motive; but there seems to be a certain degree of "honesty" (if one can call it that much) in the fact that the streamers are very openly playing a persona which is entirely other than themselves.
Of course, as this
>>12394 anon said the corporative side is not as extreme (though youtube and twitch are inevitably involved) as in hololive or nijisanji, for obvious reasons.
>>12395this is true, most designs are utter crap, but every now and then they seem to fit the person quite impressively (though this may be just theatrics)
>>12357>>12363take this clip by botan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baJ8iPEjOLI in which her doctor thinks she works at a black company (japanese slang for horrid working conditions, for those unaware) given her lifestyle, and she cannot even bring herself to deny it; or this clip by iroha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnyWoBqxw0Q in which her doctor says her living conditions are literally inhuman (though this may be more because of the extremely poor proletarian conditions under which she seems to been living for a long time); in these moments (and many other instances, ad nauseam) the reality of the nightmare which is big corporate vtubing is quite clear; though class consciousness is not at all something which happens automatically, we may begin to see more explicitly anti-corporate stances by the streamers. id be remiss in not mentioning
marine, who has literally instructed the other members as to how to use their unions (if applicable) and how to get the big bucks from government unemployment subsidies, in case they need to quit a shitty job) which she learned from her previous, just as nightmarish jobs.
No.12426
>>12392ironically, i believe vtubers are probably the most radical commodity i have seen that can ever be produced in capitalism despite their manufactured image. Mainly because the human experience of working is the commodity itself. you see all this radical shit sort of produced in hollywood and other media, but the alienation and exploitation of the streamer worker's entire life IS THE PRODUCT. And try as they might, they cant really hide it.
the lack of boundaries as a coveted consumable is also worrying for socialization.
not defending their income, as they definitely make a lot more than twitch streamers and others, but vtuber companies make bank as they take majority of the streamer's profits. With their share, the vtubers still make lots more money, but it technically is still an exploitative relationship.
No.12454
What's been going on with Calliope? I saw a clip where she said she won't be reading superchats because of some hate or whatever.
No.12459
Embedding error.
>>12454Maybe it has something to do with this incident
No.12469
>>12459Don't know this person but what was that "shekels" joke?
No.12473
>>12469No idea tbh. I think she just made a joke in some stream about getting rich in a game and referring to it as shekels but I'm not sure.
No.12515
>>12454>>12459it's something about some guy telling her to stop associating with a guy from the podcast Trash Taste via a superchat + some later troll superchats insinuating they were sending money for condoms
No.12516
>>12515I guess your basic incel shit. In the revolution incels who won't change their behavior need to be shot.
No.12538
>>12516In that dude's mild defense, Connor did call Hololive members "talentless." Mori then claimed that he had personally apologized, only for that to be outed as bullshit by Kiara who said she had no contact with those guys. Kiara did come out and say she'll be doing male colabs and most of her fanbase has no problem with it. People in Mori's community just hate Connor individually, not all males.
No.12541
how about the males from nijisanji EN
No.12543
>>12541Never seen them, but I do like some male streamers. The problem is that they aren't all that entertaining. There is that one beyblade ASMR clip going around, though.
No.12545
>>12541a bit too memey for my taste
No.12546
>>12541Don't watch them, but I find it interesting how they seem to have brought in a decently large audience of people that didn't really watch chuubas before.
No.12549
>>12538Connor seems like a dude who would say sarcastic shit like that. Anyone who took personal offense because of that joke definitely hasn't touched grass. Now of course if someone is actually brigading vtubers to just negatively affect them is someone that needs to be shot because that's just straight up harassment, but I don't think Connor was brigading any one.
No.12550
>>12549No, he meant it in the sense that Hololive is a machine for instant success. You have 300k subs guaranteed and a steady stream of superchats. This was offensive to some Holosimps, and that's why they want to keep Mori away from the TT crowd. I don't agree, but I understand. Mori's mistake was saying that he had "personally apologized" to each member of HoloEN for what he said. This is not true, and Connor is not the type to just apologize for that shit. It was an offhand comment, and it's also true. Also, some people highly suspect that fucking a vtuber is in Connor's bucket list, but don't realize that Garnt already did that.
No.12837
imageboards were filled with people who (rightfully) mocked e-celebs and "simps" and most of them went 180 degrees on the matter once vtubers came out, hilariously enough
that being said fuck hololive and the rest, vtubers were an organic phenomenon and porky got its hands on it almost immediately. if you want good genuine stuff watch indie vtubers
No.13485
lmao. rushia terminated just like that. allegedly not related to “incident”. no fucking protections. holy shit.
No.13513
>>13503so are we just supposed to take their word for it
god i hate the corporatization of vtubers
No.13573
>>13485damn just found out about this, never expected cover to nuke their biggest earner. used to think that labor had a relatively strong position in streaming (given that the avatar is pointless without the person) but looks like i was wrong
No.13574
>>13485you kidding right ?.
No.13575
>>13485Explain about this incident you speak of
No.13577
>>13575her fans were mad that she actually has a bf and the gf experience she was giving was fake. the way they found out was bc a fbi.gov message from another popular streamer popped up during stream w some affectionate words. funnily enough, this all happened on Valentine’s Day when she was releasing some wedding dress rushia merchandise. that is the incident. contract termination was bc of NDA contract breach. she did fuck up by choosing to tell a Japanese equivalent of a keen star. But apparently they were friends before. Clips translated are only a partial segment of the entire Japanese keemstar stream, but it appears to be a just a vague ass sentence that warranted contract breach investigation, although that sentence did prompt an investigation by the company into their chat logs(allegedly). Where they allegedly found more evidence of sharing of information that “damaged” company reputation.
Logically it makes “sense” what the company did. Morally it’s fucked up. When your private life becomes company secrets and also it’s own commodity, not the first time, but it’s just sad. I don’t know the extant of the investigation, but assuming she didn’t use her corporate account to talk shit, it just sets a precedent you won’t ever be able to talk shit about the company due to NDA violation. Even if she did use her corporate account to talk shit, it’s just a reminder that they’re not a “family” and they’re all either coworkers, competition, but always underneath the management hierarchy. Again, it makes “sense” and they could always do that but the power has been exercised and the chain has been yanked back. The alias behind Marine worked for some black companies in the past, and appropriately she was the one who (I heard) was grieving.
Lots of HOLO corporate stans love to say the Fubuki quote along the lines of if “Hololive was a black company I’d leave it”, but honestly isn’t that the perfect alibi?
No.13578
>>13577They were mad because the fake girlfriend experience with the fake character turned out to be… fake?
No.13579
>>13578yes and her bf also does the same thing for a female equivalent audience, so they were both harassed by each other’s audiences. cue break from Rushia and then all this shit.
No.13580
>>13578They were bad that they cucked themselves to the tune of 3 million wing wangs and their fake girlfriend broke the masquerade
No.13581
>>13577the fubuki stuff is bullshit, the only one that legitimately seems to care about workers is marine
No.13582
>>13578it's spectacularly stupid but you gotta understand rushia's merchandise for valentines' day was literally engagement rings, so it's kinda on a whole nother level
No.13583
>>13578I'm not much of a hololive watcher but i'm mad because i liked her, fucking idol culture man.
No.13585
Corporatization of vtubers is such a bizarre phenomenon. Shit like this should be done for fun without any corporate influence. Instead you have people treating vtubing as another wageslave job to provide fake gf experience and porkies exploiting lonely people. I hate this world.
No.13589
>>13585capitalism doing what it does best, taking something fun and mutilating it to make money.
No.13627
>>13583if you liked her it seems she's gonna keep streaming and stuff as her other alias (mikeneko), she was so popular that after she was terminated she has spawned a permanent thread on /jp/ dedicated solely to her and it's full of very parasocial autists
No.13628
>>13585I'm pretty sure vtubers were already a shady corporate ploy to begin with
They're literally no different from the japanese idols
No.13629
>>13628looking at kizuna ai you're probably correct, but this doesn't mean they have to be shady corporate ploy
No.13653
>>13631/vt/ is right, Nyanners is a snake.
No.13654
>>12837Hipster crying bitch lol
No.13655
>>13503I can totally read this.
No.13729
>>13728finally vtuber representation for all the schizos and their narratives
No.13730
>>13676vtubers = gamergate?
No.13740
Nyanner has a 30% of being a federal agent.
No.13758
I fap to Melody from time to time
it's like a virtual orgy, pretty neat
No.13771
>>13758Where do you watch her?
No.13776
>>13740Because she's giving money to Ukraine? Literally everyone on vshojo is doing this. It's just your regular ol' liberal virtue signal "charity".
No.13777
>>13758I find her tired voice as hot
No.14646
>>13777>777 What a trip killer
No.14647
>>13708I mean it's been said before, GG started off as people angry about Game censorship and corporate exploitation and then got taken over and rurined by /pol/.
No.14772
i think Nina kosaka is definitely autistic
No.14773
>>14741This thumbnail is so funny, looks like they're about to drown the oblivious catgirl
No.14775
>>147731) fox
2) they tried many methods.
No.15053
>>15052We really do live in a society (of the spectacle)
No.15066
>>15052Im pretty sure consoomerism wont kill us its either fascism nukes or climate change but not watching people larp as japanese cartoon characters online
No.15076
>>3388Nothing has been safe from politics. It's the most convenient form of "intellect" while indulging the primal need for drama.
That's all it is, schoolboy gossip for adults.
It explains why there's more grown men whom believe in flat earth and reject actual NASA pictures
No.15091
>>15052this is my multiverse of madness
No.15116
i'm a vtuber and i treat it as early transhumanism plus acting. it's fun to be my idealized self and get better at acting and being social to people. i'm building a small community where we talk about shit and play games, it's fun. i shut down the parasocial stuff/gfe stuff hard though, so i wont ever grow big but im okay with that.
when I can upload myself into a robotic body it'll be good
No.15117
>>15116>i shut down the parasocial stuff/gfe stuff hard though, so i wont ever grow big but im okay with that.good for you, unironically
No.15129
>>15116That's good and all
But i really hope your avatar isn't an anime girl
I saw some vtubers unironically try to do the shitty whiny anime girl voice and one even faked a engrish accent
I can not fathom why people would like that
No.15140
>>15129you dont need to act like an anime girl if your avatar is one you know
No.15162
>>15129>>15140yeah, the avatar can be little more than a glorified profile pic, it's the way the vtuber interacts that really matters.
No.15173
>>15129Some Vtubers are amateur voice actors which is why some put on a whole persona and manner of speaking.
No.15175
>>15173That explains a lot and why it sounds so unnatural, because voice acting isn't just doing a high pitched voice
But that really doesn't explain when some fake a japanese accent though
Not sure what that accomplishes other than trying really hard to make people think you're japanese
No.16655
pssst
hey, kid
got any rrats?
No.16656
>>15611And I thought I had issues with my looks.
No.16662
>>16656I can sympathize with it even though it seems odd how detailed these requests are. So many photos can just make you look real bad. u_u
No.16670
>>16662for context,
as a big fan of this one, she
was an outcast kid that got really obsessed with Japan as a tween, brute forced her way into learning Japanese by talking with Japanese people online, became a big NicoNico streamer, then went to Japan to become a jpop idol where she eventually got fucked over by her manager (all while still underage), then forced to move back to her home country and scrape by since she left to be an j-idol before finishing high school, long story short she developed severe western and Japanese beauty standards mind worms.
No.16671
>>15611She worded herself too tritely (the issues of titter's 400 character limit) but honestly understandable if you put yourself in their shoes.
No.16673
>>16670For a second I thought you were talking about Applemilk
No.16676
vtuberism is some next-level lunacy, i think it might even be worse than furfags and ponyfags
No.16680
>>16679yeah it sucks that vtubers got coopted by corporations trying to turn them into idols, its been said since day 1
No.16681
>>16680you're saying this as if vtubers weren't aimed at simps form the beginning with these animegrill larping antics
No.16682
>>16679the one positive is that it shreks IRL roasties so that mid girls can drain money from simps.
No.16683
>>16682I'm waiting for a voice changing software to advance enough so that I can get in on the simp fleecing too.
No.16684
>>16679I'm mostly interested in how the industry will mutate or die in the with the wars, recessions, etc of the 2020s/30s, considering it's so directly tied to the extra income of lonely professionals/wagies, with the exception of sponsorships from various sponsorships
No.16686
I find vtubers enjoyable
No.16708
>>16679>>16684I find it hard to believe the companies will survive in their current form for much longer; just Rushia being fired already rocked the boat quite a bit, and given that eventually we're gonna see vtubers dying, getting tired and quitting, etc., it seems like a given that the current structure of vtubing (or at least strictly japanese vtubing) is unsustainable. I can't see the market growing that much more anyway; english-speaking vtubers might still have quite a ways to go, but for languages with smaller demographics there is only so many people interested in watching vtubers (and its hard to believe many people will learn a language just to understand what a streamer is speaking). Also, after a certain point (which I believe we have reached already to a certain degree) any new vtuber that debuts just cannibalizes on the audience of established talent. Streaming is a very time-consuming hobby to watch, and there are only so many hours on the day. Hololive already struggles quite a bit with people streaming on the same timeslot, afaik (and Nijisanji just doesn't give a fuck and has a billion vtubers associated with them). Maybe advertising money can prop things up for a while, but stricly speaking money coming from simps is a very limited revenue source.
That being said, random people using the software to stream without having to show their faces or for roleplaying a character is probably going to stay for good. It's relatively easy to setup, cheap, and safer than alternatives, if you can avoid getting doxxed.
No.16709
>>16708I genuinely have no idea how you think that vtubing will die. The prospect of being a whatever the fuck and streaming whatever the fuck and not having to use your real face is honestly so enticing that I'd be shocked if vtubing dies.
No.16753
>>16709Obviously I meant corporate (japanese) vtubing, which is an industry and thus subject to all the problems capitalism is known for and as such is by no means guaranteed to survive (at least in its current form); randos using avatars to stream will pretty much never die, as I said:
>That being said, random people using the software to stream without having to show their faces or for roleplaying a character is probably going to stay for good. It's relatively easy to setup, cheap, and safer than alternatives, if you can avoid getting doxxed. No.16754
>>16708well who knows maybe vtubing as a industry will die and it will become a form of living on the internet
Larping as an anime girl is an old art
No.16757
>>16753Nothing wrong with using an avatar for streaming, but larping as an anime character should get you ridiculed
No.16772
>>16757It's more accurate to call it performance art or live acting.
No.16807
>>16757this retard calling an exclusively online thing "larp"
No.16820
vtubing was fun until h*lolive ruined it honestly, i'd tune into a couple of mmbk's streams and it'd be nice
No.16826
>>16807>pretending to be an anime character>exclusively online Are you retarded?
No.16828
>>16826who are you quoting
No.16846
>>3441I don't know if this is cope or just ignorance, but straying from the party line will get you socially crucified in China even if you aren't arrested. You only need to slip up once on a current event.
That the company isn't protecting them is a pretty serious issue though.
No.16847
>>16679This is absolutely true, and in some cases backed by major, even state level, backing.
No.16848
>>3392Are you really saying you don't understand the situation you just described? Every company is beholden to the CCP, bilibili is no exception. When they pull a stream for saying something off script the cause is always obvious, in this case it's something that contradicts the CCP's official messaging. This is an action that really does have real world consequences.
No.16849
>>16826Live Action Role Playing (larping) is something you do outside in cosplay. Vtubers can't holographically project the Live2D / pngtuber onto themselves out and about, nor are they in character while at the store or whatever.
No.16856
>>16846Then why aren't the people voicing anti lockdown positions getting excoriated
No.16857
>>16849>Vtubers can't holographically project the Live2D / pngtuber onto themselves out and about, Yet. Unfortunately.
No.16923
>>16921pekora has bought a resident of si/b/eria
No.18670
>>16921a fuckin monkeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
No.20789
I find it funny how the phenomena of Vtubers has kinda died down. People still do it and its still got followers, but the crazy hype has died down.
No.20979
>>20789was there ever a super crazy hype for it?
anyway check Lottie and Raki from PixelLink
No.21027
>>15611Kinda feel bad to see someone be this self conscious.
No.21038
>>20979yes, especially during covid
No.21082
>>21081Gura litterally abused the system by having all of her previous followers jump the shark (lol) with her to her new persona.
No.21124
>>21081>the Rule 34 hentai crowd who have made thousands of lewdsThis is such a funny way of putting it. Like masturbating to porn is some obscure niche only a handful of people do.
No.21125
>>21124I mean masturbating to anime lolis is, while not all exactly super rare, is also not really common either. I would estimate that idk, less than 10% of men do this.
No.21131
>>21125That's a lot of people.
No.21132
>>21124Rule 34 is a large audience… but out of the population is a tiny portion of people, even if we exclude those that have no internet or computers.
No.21142
>>21125>I would estimate that idk, less than 10% of men do this.What data are you using to come to this conclusion
No.22435
>>16923>pekora has bought a resident of si/b/eriaAs a resident of /siberia/, I can confirm.
No.22598
weeb shit.
don't care
No.23783
>>23782anon i think thats just a german
No.23786
I thought Pipkin Pippa was the Nazi vtuber.
No.23790
>>23789Because "imageboard humour" is rightoid schizophrenia.
No.23791
>>23790yeah true
I don't even watch vtubers anyways so meh
No.23793
Literally who
No.23794
>>23792God damn they are all boosting themselfs.
No.23795
>>23782I hate vtubers so much it's all pedobait or poltard garbage. Literally what is the appeal?
No.23796
>>23792this one extra sucks cause this artist is amazing and looking at their art you would think they are the polar opposite of a /pol/tard
No.23797
>>237821. Don't browse Shitter.
2. Anime is popular with ethnonationalists, including netto uyoku.
3. Who cares about her?
>>23789>why can't we have a imageboard humour vtuber that isn't a rightoid schizoBecome one yourself.
>>23792>she seems very close with Phase Connect tubers and that place is FULL of stone toss retweetersI mean, Stonetoss gets posted even here so I don't think they're Nazis but one girl I saw is the kind of a "lumpen are lazy moochers" Randoid who thinks Bezmenov is based so I can definitely say that Phase Connect is a lolbertarian agency.
>>23795>it's all pedobait or poltard garbage<average anime hater takeFuck you, leather man! You picked the
WRONG BOARD!! No.23799
>>23798Thighs full of
Mein Kampf pages
No.23800
>>23799>thighs full of paperThat's hot.
No.23801
>>23792damn her art was pretty good too although ive has some suspicions for quite a while. as a leftist this is a great time to shit on another leftist, an anarchist who said that great artists can never be fascists or some pretentious shit like this.
No.23802
>>23789>Needy Girl OverdoseAh, an anon of culture
No.23803
>>23801>an anarchist>said that great artists can never be fascistsHow are the two related? As an anarchist, I say this is a complete bullshit. People can have whatever stupid political opinions regardless of their skills, Ayn Rand being a terrible writer is a pure coincidence.
No.23954
Given the recent revelations concerning Nijisanji, has anybody ever discussed organizing VTubers? From what I've seen, a lot of them are quite exploited and only see a small fraction of the money that is donated to them. They work in quite stressful conditions, notably Dokibird being hospitalized after almost committing suicide due to abuse at Nijisanji where she then worked.
No.24023
>>23954About to mucho texto, may as well use my 4 years of watching them to give some info.
I think vtubers from the big companies (and even small to medium ones) are basically classed as individual contractors (there have been several vtubers from the big companies that have been quickly terminated for breaking NDA or another element of their contract), and more of their earnings come from sponsorships/merch rather than the donations. Some companies might provide a small "salary" along with these. I imagine that vtuber unions might have a chance of forming when the next recession comes and there's a a) less income making it to the vtubers directly and b)less capital to go around into the companies. The closest thing to "organized" vtubers currently is basically vtubers coming together and forming or joining a small case. Vshojo has 2 vtubers that were formerly from the 2 big japanese companies, 1 from the at least less outwardly retarded blue triangle, the other from the now infamous Niji.
No.24025
>>23954>defend the petit-bourgeois against the haute bourgeoisi have no sympathy for any paid streamer lol, sorry not sorry
<inb4 anyone who works is automatically proletariani only watch indie vtubers that stream sporadically when they feel like it instead of having a schedule that inevitably leads to filler and parasocial bullshit
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