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Historical Development Comrade 10/09/2020 (Fri) 23:44:06 No. 4933 [Reply]
A thread for sharing and discussing information related to the historical development of humanity. Here's my opening contribution https://youtu.be/wnqS7G3LmMo?t=1619 timestamp is 27 minutes if the link doesn't work(skipping a lot of introduction). I like the presenters maxim of >geography determines social development and social development determines what geography means Of course i'd replace 'geography' with 'material conditions' but that's a small nitpick in an otherwise great presentation. The other nitpick is the absence of the idea of a mode of production. We all know how inefficient capitalism is at its uses of the geography/resources it potentially has at its disposal. The profit motive holds back the total use of geography that would be a huge boon on the level of the guns and boat revolution in the 1400s
This helps. I’m a complete brainlet when it comes to history. Is there like a brief book/video/resource that traces the entire major human historical periods and progression? Like I know some very small basics about middle ages, enlightenment renaissance etc, but I don’t know how they interact and how to piece them together as one piece of development?

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white people are mixed race 10/07/2020 (Wed) 04:57:58 No. 4912 [Reply]
date: 9-4kya blue = european orange = levant MENA green = iran MENA 9kya, levants colonize europe and mix with european foragers. The mixing ultimately ends up being on somewhat even terms. 5kya, a mixed race group (half euro half iran) colonizes europe very hard, killing off both euro/levant males and essentially raping their women. These "aryans" introduce the indoeuropean languages into europe. Every european today has these three ancestries in their genome. Some europeans, like italians and greeks, are more Middle Eastern than European. The average Brit is 60% european, 40% MENA (30% levant and 10% iran) In addition, Finns and Russians have about 10% Asian ancestry from Uralics.
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>>4937 >lol they have shit science >lol see, look at these different nations >huh huh nations means race cus reasons >Personally, I am just kinda disgusted by the entire European ancestry >im a good guy huh huh >by the way white isnt real after all of my reasons wew i love you guys, its like metoker is back already hahahaha
>>4939 >ya so is everyone else retard Not really, at least not in the same scale. In a strict sense, yes everyone (and everything) is mixed race. In a more liberal sense, only Eurasians were mixed race until recently. Africans, Americans, and Oceanians were all genetically pretty pure. And even within Eurasia, Europeans are more mixed than Indians (maybe excepting Pakistanis) or any of the Asian races. >you know that ethnicity has existed for thousands of years before anyone knew anything about this bullshit? cope, these genes have existed for millions of years before humans even learned how to walk upright. We only started knowing about them 50 years ago, doesn't make them only 50 years old.
>>4940 He's right though, italians are considered white now. Irish/Polish is a spook because they are nordeuro. But italians look different, esp the southern ones that came to the US. Next step is Mestizo Latinos start getting the white treatment >nation means race yeah, it's arbitrary and retarded just like your system. I see no problem here. scientifically, Europe is a Middle Eastern rapebaby reservoir. "White" is not a race, it's an appearance. White people are mixed race.
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Fun fact, the purest Europeans were quite dark skinned (think Native North American, if not darker) Light skin was introduced via Middle Eastern farmer/pastoralist migrants. These MENAs mixed with the local population, and as they adapted to a more lactovegetarian diet, they developed even lighter skin than the original MENAs, due to the dark climate. The original pure Europeans were also exclusively light-eyed, and actually all genetically European groups were 100% light eyed 10kya. Brown eyes are a Middle Eastern feature.
>>4954 explains why my Iranian friends are pastier than most americans

Aesthetics Comrade 08/26/2020 (Wed) 14:12:08 No. 3769 [Reply]
Hume established criteria for good taste. However, criteria for good taste says nothing about criteria for good art. So what then is the criteria for good art, the seeming elephant in the room left unaddressed in the realm of aesthetics? How can you call something good art if you cannot even define what is good art?
This is just my initial thoughts, but the way I see it there are 2 dimensions of which to asses art. The rational, and the irrational (I may come up with better terms later), the rational is the analyzing of artistic skills. On one side of the spectrum, a virtuosic musician who's music is theoretically genius but doesn't sound 'good', i.e. unless you are versed in the musical medium it is impossible for you to 'understand' how it is impressive. The other, irrational, is how it makes you feel. I enjoy some abstract paintings because they make me feel a certain way, regardless of whether or not 'my 4 year old could have done that', it provokes a certain emotion in me, that is usually tied to memories and such. An extreme version of this is a pop song that is very catchy and fun, even if you hate what it stands for and can see it is only 4 very basic chords. So there is no such thing as good art, but I think art can enter a certain goldilocks zone where it combines rational and irrational properties in an artistic way. I think a prime example of this would be Van Gogh, probably the most loved painter in the western world. The marriage of 'aesthetic' beauty with artistic skill.
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Don't know, anon. But Technical skill comes into it, as this video with Tracey Emin suggests. (She's talking about the fine arts in it; even though she became famous for the unmade bed exhibit, she seems to suggest that a grounding in the fine arts first is necessary to consider yourself an artist. .) https://youtu.be/7utbB8A_Rt4 I don't really agree with that myself. The unmade bed's status as art (or not) shouldnt be affected by unrelated artistic training. The radical feminist Helen Lewis suggests good art is art in which the medium is the message : <If there is anything I have learned from the writer and director Robert Icke, it’s that the medium is the message. A play about identity should play with identity. A play about the truth should question whether what we are seeing is the truth. A play about justice should ask us to judge. <Form and content are two sides of the same coin https://helenlewis.substack.com/?utm_campaign=pub&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy The effect on the viewer of art consumer is probably the most important thing. Art should probably take you out of yourself, expand your horizons in some way, and do this through an aesthetic medium . But there should be some lasting impression on you of something profounder than ordinary life, otherwise it's just a means to kill time, entertainment.
i think before thinking about what is good art you've gotta decide what 'art' even is to you, whats excluded from that category and what is fundamental to it, etc. And whether or not you want to just define the word or define the idea... Colloquailly art refers to shit like paintings and statues that are meant to be looked at, almost in contrast to their surrounding environments which are not meant to be looked at? And so we get a urinal or a bed can be art if it's in a setting where you look at things and try to find their beauty or meaning. But is a house art? Does that depend on the intention of the architect, or what? So anyways im kind of bored of that kind of art honestly. There's so much more beauty and inspiration in different mediums other than the small, visual, single-person projects that characterize what i think is usually called art. A great landscape, a great event, a beautiful life, a village, etc. But these arent all created with intent, or with the intent of inspiring, and they are often able to be interacted with. I'd so much prefer a world of beauty embodied in our surroundings and lives and culture than something to hang on the wall (or god forbid only see on a screen while trolling for "art" on some website) or put in the garden. So fuck art as dualism, you end up with an ugly world and pretty little trivialities. That said, what is good art? who knows, why does it even need to be formulated? I think its just something that satisfies our tastes, like how good food is what satisfies your tastes. It's totally subjective and can change, like when you crave a piece of good fish and you eat it and its great, it was great food, but later you might eat it and its just acceptable, not great and not bad. And then some things obviously are repulsive. Is there actually a better way of defining how something meant to please the senses is good other than how well it pleases them? There's technical skill, but if the skill doesnt translate to how pleasing the product is, then i think its not relevant, and at best it might just be a sort of pointless middle-man criteria. But also what is pleasing isnt always warm of comforting, a HUGE axis for something seeming aesthetical and pleasing i think is that it does its purpose well, or embodies its own qualities in some inspiring way. I think of like the almost universal attraction to animals in their wild habitat. Part of it is maybe this fetishistic attitude that sees them as unthinking and unable to be unnatural, but maybe thats where so much of their beauty to us comes from. I think of soviet realism, and how just a portrayal of people doing their thing and being themselves is a good subject for beautiful art (which also has to carry out the beauty and feel of the subjects through its medium and technique, which requires tons of skill). Like a decrepit old woman who is no longer beautiful can still be aesthetical, by embodying herself and some perceived ideal or norm. As well, sometimes the purpose of art is to say something, and if it says this thing well in its whole being, i think its good art and its own embodiment of its message is pleasing. I dont thnk the point of art should be having meaning, but i think that meaning or conveying some message is an important aspect that art can have. At a base level, all art conveys or creates in the viewer at least a feeling, but sometimes this message is more complex. Either way, there's a transfer of some information that the artist tries to get across, a feeling or something else. But sometimes the viewer gets more or less than what the artist intended, and i dont think thats bad or "misreading" should be cared about unless maybe there was a very explicit "right" message of the art, but anyways the message gotten is very variable so its sort of hard to define out where the intentionality and message end, because a great work of art might say things to people that were never intended, and be great because of it, because they get a point across beautifully, but not the intended point. But not all of these things i called aesthetic are intentional, so whether or not they're art is up to anyone i guess. I dont know where to draw that line, and if it should be drawn maybe or if "art" should be phased out and beauty - intentional or not - should be given more attention.

Comrade 10/11/2020 (Sun) 04:01:43 No. 4942 [Reply]
Can someone get me this? I'm getting copyright blocked and cant find it anywhere. Bellu, E. "The Dialectical Significance of Chemistry in the Works of Fr. Engels." Revue roumaine des sciences sociales: serie de philosophie et logique 17 (1973): 163-169. Bellu, E. The Dialectical Significance of Chemistry in the Work of Friedrich Engels. Romanian Journal of Social Sciences Philosophy and Logic Series, Volume 17, 1973, 163-169. https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000494736
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Looks ridiculously hard to find, the closest library I could find that collected that journal was several thousand kilometers from me and stopped their subscription to that journal a decade before that paper If you specifically need that paper you're probably going to have to travel to your closest major library and hassle the librarians there to get a cross institutional copy .pdf attached might be an acceptable substitute for your purposes maybe?
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>>4943 Thanks for trying. I already read that one actually, and the two others google scholar has that also cite Bellu E. They are tangentially related, that one is mostly about the authors interest in synergetics, but I'm more interested in Dialectics and Chemistry alone specifically. I can search hathitrust articles with a guest account and it throws back a result so I think theres a digital copy there, and its searchable in english.

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The Great Soviet Encyclopedia Comrade 09/17/2020 (Thu) 16:32:04 No. 4201 [Reply]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Soviet_Encyclopedia The third (last) edition of the Great Soviet Encyclopedia was translated into English for a western publisher almost concurrently with the Russian encyclopedia's publication. Given its obvious significance, it's surprising that not a single volume has circulated online like many other books.
>>4313(me) it should be noted however, that the encyclopedia edition is of the 70s
>Given its obvious significance, it's surprising that not a single volume has circulated online like many other books. It's not surprising at all. Many "official" texts published in the USSR, especially the late USSR, were a mishmash of state-approved ideology and dogma. I tried reading Brezhnev's autobiography (or just biography?) and it was absolutely worthless. It was full of truisms like, "He always works well with others, and always asks for everyone's opinion before making a decision."

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Any Gayfags here? Why are Gays so liberal compared to LBTQ+? Comrade 09/29/2020 (Tue) 20:25:18 No. 4375 [Reply]
It seems like the Democrats have done a great job of pinkwashing their party, the amount of Gays I see worshipping any Dem candidate--including Biden, who supported both DADT and DOMA, is entirely annoying. Why are Lesbians, Transbians, Trans*, and Bisexuals so much more radical overall than gay men? What's the issue? I see so many LBTQ+ people in socialist groups like FRSO or anarchist collectives but my fellow gays would rather hole up in bars or form Stonewall caucuses to support homophobic democrats.
Just some theories from a straighto, pinch of salt is implied. I would assume the privellege associated with being male in a patriarchal society. Trans people are such outcasts that their ideology must be radical, and we know how society feels about women's sexuality. Also no kids so they are more aligned with the ruling class because of the financial status it puts them in. I would guess lesbians are more likely to adopt and have higher emotional intelligence.
makes sense. I actually meant to post this in /leftypol/ and forgot I was browsing /edu/ It's really too bad that most gays dont realize that we're still oppressed. I don't think I've met a single cisgay man who was communist
As a fag I may have some insight. Gay men were very radical from the 60's to the AIDS crisis to DADT and other issues. The wealthy, white gay men that make up the Human Rights Campaign/LAMBDA Legal etc defanged the gay movement by promoting assimilation in the form of gay marriage, corporate wokeness/IDpol, and perpetuating the myth that gay men were all high-income DINKS that could be marketed to. In reality, there are more Gay men in poverty as a percentage than straight men. That is why today you see Goldman Sachs and Raytheon pride floats these days. Now that gay marriage is legal and being fired for being gay is not (well...they can make any other excuse to fire you) the wealthy cis white gay man is entirely driven by class interests instead of fearing of being persecuted or dying of a horrific incurable disease now that PREP is widespread. So now you have out and wealthy iBankers, Lawyers, Techies, etc that have a class interest in keeping their status and mainstream Gay culture, in my opinion, is heavily focuses on looks, muscules, status, and income so it makes sense for them to not be radical but still pay lip service to social liberalism by going to pride parades and fundraising for Mayor Pete, who is the apotheosis of the neoliberal gay PMC.
Gayanon here. I've met plenty but I agree with this post >>4833 Also, the fact that radical politics is going to appeal more to people who are socially oppressed would explain why there are so many trans people in the mix, but I think they're also more of a visible minority while gay men at this point have kind of blended in somewhat. In terms of gay left-wing radicals online with some degree of visibility, I'm thinking of Matthijs Krul (a.k.a. McCaine) who wrote one of the best articles on Nazi Germany that I've read: http://mccaine.org/2010/03/12/what-was-nazi-germany/ I don't know him, he lives in a completely different country, but he has a reading list that I also use personally. http://mccaine.org/2012/11/02/a-communism-reading-list/ I think the descriptions of gay culture's petit-bourgeois pathologies ITT are very accurate. But I also really like aspects of culture like the music and entertainment side of the house: https://youtu.be/E4SNXUM0X4A

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What's the deal with Nietzsche and his rabid followers? Comrade 06/24/2020 (Wed) 19:33:23 No. 2055 [Reply]
Is he like an old Jordan Peterson? A Rorschach test that says "water is wet"? Tolstoy wrote that Nietzsche wrote nothing insightful, that had he been alive earlier no one would have paid attention to his writings, that he and his prominence is a sign of intellectual decay. Trotsky wrote that the reason why Nietzsche's followers can be so radically different from each other is because they take what they want from Nietzsche and ignore whatever else is inconvenient for them. When someone points out the terrible things Nietzsche wrote, the response is either a) you're misinterpreting him! or b) his personal views are not reflective of his philosophy! or even c) you can't critique the genius of Nietzsche because he has rejected reason! Does this strike anyone else as eerily similar to Jordan Peterson and his rabid followers?
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>>2055 I’m reading on the Genealogy of morals right now, I have some questions. >Nietzsche says he’s against egalitarianism that reduces men to common, and power = good because it started this way in history and they establish themselves as good solely through themselves. the weak have slave morality in that identifies its oppressors as evil then subsequently themselves as good. What in the goddamn bootlicking bullshit is this? I somewhat looked fondly of Nietzsche before I actually read him. And the way he talks about race lmao It really does explain the modern far right-incel mentality though. Should I keep reading or find something better?
>>4892 What’s your contextual history with the rest of the western cannon? The dude can seem really strange and extreme if you don’t understand the systems and theories his entire philosophy is railing against. Just like most philosophers, he has interesting points and is a product of his time. If you aren’t enjoying it or really getting it, then I’d set him aside for a while.
>>4892 >the weak have slave morality in that identifies its oppressors as evil then subsequently themselves as good slave morality is a real thing and Marxists ought to oppose it. examples include christianity and pacifism
Has anyone read that critique by G. Lukacs?
>>4894 ik, it‘s just that out of the three masters of suspicions, his work is the most disappointing. More so o as I used to like him the most before I read any of them. >>4902 >Who can guarantee that modern democracy, still more modern anarchy, and indeed that tendency to the "Commune," the most primitive form of society, which is now common to all the Socialists in Europe, does not in its real essence signify a monstrous reversion—and that the conquering and master race—the Aryan race, is not also becoming inferior physiologically?) > Let us submit to the facts; that the people have triumphed—or the slaves, or the populace, or the herd, or whatever name you care to give them—if this has happened through the Jews, so be it! In that case no nation ever had a greater mission in the world's history. The 'masters' have been done away with; the morality of the vulgar man has triumphed. This triumph may also be called a blood-poisoning (it has mutually fused the races)—I do not dispute it; but there is no doubt but that this intoxication has succeeded. Feels like a bunch of morality of power and nazi-babble. Also I feel like Marx already formulated his ideas but better with his theory on ideology & religion..

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Mafarka the Futurist Comrade 10/06/2020 (Tue) 13:10:40 No. 4906 [Reply]
I'm looking for Marinetti's Mafarka the Futurist novel but I cannot find it anywhere. I've searched libgen and archive (dot) org but I didn't find an English translation. Can anyone post a copy or at least a link to it?

Knowledge/Skill Exchange Comrade 04/23/2020 (Thu) 10:50:52 No. 1291 [Reply]
Here we post our fields of expertise, in hopes to share the knowledge with our fellow comrades. Ask any questions to comrades in this thread regarding their skills, and post your own. Maybe we can create a chat eventually to teach things at a more in depth level. Me: Native English speaker, very good at math, okay at similar sciences, and computer science, can help with music regarding drums/guitar/songwriting etc. I'm particularly interested in learning Chinese (Mandarin), I've just started learning some basics, if anyone has any advice or resources for learning that would be great.
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>>4371 What do you mean by 'get started' exactly?
>>4371 Drawing with the right side of the brain and loomis of course.
I'm a creative media student God help me with a decent level of skill with video editing. I was hoping one day I could email Cockshott to help with the editing in his lecture videos
>>4848 Just go for it, it seems he's quite responsive. However he seems exceedingly busy so idk how keen he would be to try organise it. Definitely worth a shot however.
>>4384 Why is this image so attractive?

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Audio thread Anonymous 08/28/2019 (Wed) 14:29:26 No. 3931 [Reply] [Last]
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_Adolph Reed On Identity Politics, Reparations, And Removing Monuments_ <What politics is and what it isn't and what apolitical movement does look like and what it doesn't look like and how many things look like they are meaningful political action or are treated as if they are a meaningful political action but really aren't and can kind of delude us into thinking that we are making progress when we aren't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DirAIkDJ7H8
>>4058 can you say what text to speech software you used for narrating the texts ?
move thread to /edu/ ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIEFD257E4U Michael Parenti conspiracy and class power
>>4320 what Marx meant with Religion is the opium of the masses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4aKI66j9hw


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