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Please waste no time on Hegel! Comrade 09/16/2020 (Wed) 06:14:30 No. 4171 [Reply]
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>>4198 This is embarrassing and reddit-tier, it's like he's deliberately trying to make materialism look extremely autistic. The problem is not that he reduces everything to matter, which is great, but that he reduces matter itself to the extremely limited pop-science conceptions. In other words he's selling materialism short. Unironically, reading Hegel is exactly the thing that would have helped him.
>>4198 I had no idea that Taimur Rahman had made a video on Hegel. I also had no idea that Taimur followed Cockshott's work. Not to aggrandize, but the leftypol community has been instrumental in putting Cockshott's work in the limelight and popularizing it (however mildly) on the internet left. On the topic of Cockshott's response, there are so many glaring errors, I don't even know where to start. Again, do keep in mind that I have a cursory understanding of Hegel, so a lot of these ideas come from shallow reading of secondary sources. >These ideas are not relied upon by any of the contemporary sciences. This is scientism. It is basically ignoring philosophy of science, which is very important and is one of the things that is gravely missing from modern science. And Hegel absolutely BTFOs science as a totalizing venture of specific fields precisely because they take as supposition the limits of their study. They must isolate un-isolatable phenomena in order to study them, and hence are forever doomed to not get a complete picture. And, further, science is philosophy's bitch, science's foundation depends on philosophy, not the other way around. >Logic can only occur where matter is so configured as to perform logical operations, conjunctions, disjunctions negations etc. I'm not sure I agree with this characterization. It is a weird one that IMO characterizes logic as a physical process, rather than a system that exists in different contexts. What I mean is that if true, then it can also be said that physics doesn't exist in nature, it can only occur where matter is configured to perform physics. Which is true to some extent, but also doesn't really explain what physics is, and makes this weird characterization of physics just being a mental masturbation with no relation to reality. >But that is because it is advantageous to the evolutionary survival of organisms to be able to react to their environment This is some teleology of evolution or some shit. It is ironic that he says "No biologist thinks that there are essences" then says something that implies an essence moving evolution forward. I really dislike this interpretation of evolutionary biology. He just says this as this were a scientific fact. Again, philosophy of science comes to view as crucially important. I might be stretching what he really thinks, but I see this "essence" of evolution all the time in reddit-tier pop-sci explanations of evolution. As if the species had a meta-mind that chooses what is advantageous. It also ignores completely that a stupid jellyfish or mushrooms, or even diatoms are just as "evolved" as a human. Where is this "advantageous" logic in mushrooms? >A more sophisticated understanding would be in terms of matrix multiplication rather than simple logic. Here he is committing the same mistake he says he is wary to avoid. Matrix multiplication as such is a human endeavor. He is projecting a purely mathematical structure onto an organism that is unaware of formal mathematics. Which he then follows up with

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>>4207 >the leftypol community has been instrumental in putting Cockshott's work in the limelight Don't be silly. Look up when TANS was written. Look up when the translations of TANS were made. That was all long before 8chan. Cockshott has made acquaintances in Germany, China etc. over the decades and we got nothing to do with that. The guys at Monthly Review who are publishing How the World Works also have known Cockshott for decades I'm sure. >>Logic can only occur where matter is so configured as to perform logical operations, conjunctions, disjunctions negations etc. >I'm not sure I agree with this characterization. It is a weird one that IMO characterizes logic as a physical process It's just consistent materialism. >>The great danger is that young people’s minds will get stuck in a time warp, >In other words "Don't read philosophy, it will make you get stuck in a time warp" This is absurd. There are only so many hours in a day. Time spent reading Hegel is not time spent learning anything about the developments in the field of physics over the past 100 years.
>>4210 >There are only so many hours in a day. I don't disagree with that. If he said that Hegel wasn't necessary, or that there might be more fruitful reading for a leftist, I'd agree wholeheartedly, but he's not doing that here. He's saying that Hegel has nothing of value, and hence shouldn't be studied. >Don't be silly. Look up when TANS was written. True, I concede and agree.

Comrade 09/15/2020 (Tue) 06:02:50 No. 4098 [Reply]
Hi /edu/, I'm looking a list of famines and droughts in Russia before 1917 with death estimates but after an hour of searching on the Googles I've found nothing. I'm also having trouble finding a list of population size numbers for the 19th century. Could somebody please point me in the right direction, or otherwise explain why this information is so hard to find (am I just a brainlet)? I'd prefer a source that is as apolitical/free from ideology as possible.

/lit/ Comrade 09/27/2019 (Fri) 00:59:23 No. 4077 [Reply]
What is your favorite book?
What book influenced you the most?
What do you like about books?
what are you planning to read?
What are you reading now?
/Lit/ thread because i did not see one in the catalog
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How do I become a /buddhist/? Any good introductions
what is your favorite book? what influenced you most, the book? what do you like about book? what are you planning to book? what are you reading now, book?
Anyone ever heard of Wizardrous?
>>4077 I'm reading the Faerie Queen and its really fucking good like goddamn, but its making me feel like an absolute brainlet, I have to keep stopping and rereading bits because I miss the implication of a line and misunderstand what happens then only cotton on a few stanzas later when something happens that's out of line with what I think is happening, I can't seem to understand poetry unless I speak it out loud for some reason, so I'm also destroying my throat reading this thicc bitch

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Verso Books 40% off Comrade 08/12/2020 (Wed) 01:04:15 No. 2973 [Reply]
I wanted to let everyone know that Verso Books is having a sale were everything is 40% off. They have books by Zizek, David Harvey, classics from marx, lenin, trotsky, etc. Take a look if you want to satisfy your commodity fetish in the form of paperbacks.
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>>2982 I've read Sex and Failed Absolute. is that basically the same as Absolute Recoil?
>order from Verso >over 5 weeks shipping time >it's all cheap thin print-on-demand tier paper
>>2973 >They have pretentious shit, confused shit, and good books that are in the public domain and online already. 40 % off!! Wooooow.
>>3911 They really should switch to acid free paper.
>>3911 I've never ordered directly from Verso, but yeah, their books are shit quality. Not only paper-wise. Some are OCRed from other publisher's editions that were sold out, with absolutely no quality checks. So you get wrong letters and missing punctuation. This level of sloppiness for such a publisher is simply incomprehensible to me. If I knew it'd be this bad I'd rather get a torned up used copy of the other publisher's sold out edition for a heavily inflated price. Fuck Verso. Never again.

/math/ general Comrade 04/04/2020 (Sat) 17:37:10 No. 344 [Reply] [Last]
All good communists study math. What are you studying right now? What is your favorite field of mathematics and why? Personally, I really like the book "Linear Algebra Done Right" by Sheldon Axler. It is on Libgen if you are interested and I attached a pdf.
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this is now an applied math thread. abstractists gtfo Post ODEs/PDEs
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>>3406 many many courses on youtube. if you want something more structured and gamified start with KhanAcademy.org The calculus playlist is great.
>>3405 for you ---> >>3890
I’m taking differential equations and my textbook is useless as fuck. is there an accessible alternative that has more example problems?
>>366 Do you happen to know any good courses online or whatever on discrete math? I found it pretty interesting but my professor was NOT GOOD at explaining the material and since COVID happened we kind of rushed through the class so I left feeling like I didn't entirely understand all of it

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the dark islam within lovecraftian horror. Anonymous 08/06/2020 (Thu) 17:36:48 No. 2921 [Reply]
His works contain explicit references to ancient islamic texts, some say cosmic horror is a pessimistic inversion of sufist cosmology. Some of his stories, like the nameless city, is a direct reference to a story contained within the quran. Here are some direct quotes: >At one time I formed a juvenile collection of Oriental pottery and objets d’art, announcing myself as a devout Mohammedan and assuming the pseudonym of “Abdul Alhazred” – which you will recognise as the author of that mythical Necronomicon which I drag into various of my tales [...]. (letter to Edwin Baird, February 3, 1924) >The absurdity of the myth I was called upon to accept and the sombre greyness of the whole faith compared with the Eastern magnificence of Mahometanism, made me de-finitely agnostic [...].10 You can read more here: >https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272537419_The_Darker_Islam_within_the_American_Gothic_Sufi_Motifs_in_the_Stories_of_HP_Lovecraft
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>>2925 It's just slow which means people who are interested in this sort of thing are more likely to see it eventually since the turnover if threads is less most people aren't on here 24/7 and this is a bitbof a niche topic
>>2927 *bit of
>>2927 Its niche but I like it.
I remembered from that the biography of Lovecraft included that in his homeschooling, he was able to read the thousand and one nights, developing an love for eastern culture, even adopting an arabic name (this of course is when he is a child). I'm glad he did it.I always liked his books, and I still love the city withouth name. Fucking ancient intelligent cocodriles, so ancient that even death has already died

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Comrade 09/09/2020 (Wed) 16:30:52 No. 3908 [Reply]
Do you guys have a reading list on Ai and consciousness or AI and ethics? I really want to research this subject but I don't know where to start. I welcome any recommendation.
This was written by one of the pioneers of AI: https://archive.org/details/computerpowerhum0000weiz
>>3910 >>3924 Thank you!

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/ahg/ Alternate History General Comrade 04/14/2020 (Tue) 18:06:08 No. 1047 [Reply]
The Paris Commune successfully establishes socialism in France. What now? ITT: Post and speculate about alternate history.
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Lenin lives to see WW2.
>>1086 Soviets still win
Kill yourselves
>>2190 have sex
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What if William H. Sylvis had lived longer? Could he have forged a stronger working class movement? Perhaps change the outcome of the Great Railroad Strike?

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is this true? Comrade 07/11/2020 (Sat) 21:12:51 No. 2277 [Reply]
but even if it's not, is this something that's possible? how do you develop the hermeneutics to read this fast?
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>>2277 WTF, you don't read at least 100 pages of information everyday? Repent, sinners. No wonder the civilization has decayed so much. Cease all the unnecessary normie activity everyday, instead focus on attain wizardhood
>>2277 skimming
>>2474 Given that he wrote notes on the side of the page often, I would reckon otherwise.
>>2277 You probably read an equivalent amount of content on your screen every day
>>2297 I think this is one of those rare brain conditions that is actually a positive benefit. My ex was diagnosed with it, but I can't remember the name of it.

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Case against Hierarchy Comrade 08/04/2020 (Tue) 11:32:58 No. 2866 [Reply]
Appealing to nature as an argument for hierarchy is a reactionary point of view used by many societies to make its underclasses tolerate their plight. There is a common misconception that natural selection always acts for the good of the species, therefore we should not bother changing anything about ourselves. Natural selection does not produce organisms perfectly suited to their environments. Social hierarchy typically runs counter to the needs which human beings have and creates conditions under which people become alienated from the valuable capacities that they possess. If we want human beings to thrive and realize their potential, we ought to meet their essential needs. Since hierarchy runs counter to these needs, it ought to be dismantled whenever possible. Human nature, far from being an argument against anarchism is a strong case for it, as a non-hierarchical society creates conditions under which human beings can unleash their true potential. Capitalism is one of the most dehumanizing forces in the world. It dehumanizes workers and bosses because it is a system that is inherently anti-human nature and human needs, forcing people to act more like robots who never get sick, rarely desire vacations, and never desire self-actualization, all to turn a higher profit. I think Marx's theory of alienation is spot on. Capitalism alienates humans from their own humanity, and it turns sacred things into commodities. The conditions of social hierarchy in which people are subjected to control from above, and in which people are encouraged to compete with one another for power and resources, creates an environment in which the needs for competence, relatedness and autonomy are not met, resulting in ill-being and alienation. Subordination to authority undermines autonomous motivation, reduces our intellectual and creative faculties, and ruptures our relationships with our peers. A human nature argument for anarchism can begin with something called the self-determination theory. Initially founded by Edward Deci and Richard Ryan, SDT posits that human beings have three key psychological needs: competence, relatedness, and autonomy. In a nutshell, we need to feel that we are effective in dealing with the environment around us and that we are good at what we do. We need to feel a sense of connection with the other human beings around us and that we are cared for by others. We need to feel that we have some sense of control over our lives, that we aren't just pawns on a chessboard, and that we are acting in accordance with our integrated sense of self and the values that we have developed over time. According to SDT, these essential needs are not learned but are inherent to human nature, and exist across all societies and cultures. Remember the human need for relatedness and consider that cooperative conditions are far more suited to meeting this need than competitive ones. As anarchists, we promote cooperation over competition precisely because we see cooperation as being fundamentally more in line with our human need to feel connected to others. To the extent that these needs are met, well-being is enhanced, and to the extent that there are thwarted, we can expect people to become ill and alienated. The model of human nature that SDT supports is, in my opinion, a stable base that lends itself well to anarchism. SDT shows that we call for anarchist forms of organization, because the core needs and drives we possess as human beings require it, and because social hierarchy runs counter to these needs and drives. A 2003 study published in the *Journal of Personality and Social Psychology* found support for the notion that we have a need for autonomy, and that this need is cross-cultural. >We found that whatever cultural practices one is considering, there appears to be a positive relation between more internalized or autonomous regulation of those practices and well-being, as measured through both hedonic (happiness) and eudaimonic (self-fulfillment) indicators (Ryan & Deci, 2001). Specifically, we found that whether one's behavior and attitudes are individualistic, collectivistic, horizontal, or vertical in nature, more autonomous enactment is associated with greater well-being. These findings support SDT's position regarding basic psychological needs and, more specifically, the controversial idea that autonomy is a basic human concern. >However, when considering horizontal versus vertical dimensions, we see more reason to hypothesize differences in the degree to which each can, on average, be more fully internalized. Specifically, we see the very nature of vertical social arrangements as more inherently conflictual, vis-à-vis SDT's postulated basic needs for autonomy and relatedness. Vertical societies frequently require individuals to forgo autonomy and to subordinate themselves to heteronomous influences. In addition, vertical societies place boundaries around those with whos intimacy and connectedness can be established. >In sum, this study shows that, across diverse cultures, the issue of autonomy can be similarly understood and that, across diverse practices, autonomy is associated with well-being. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/275714384_Differentiating_Autonomy_From_Individualism_and_Independence Another study by Edward Deci and Richard Ryan looked at the well-being of workers in state-owned companies in Bulgaria, and compared this with workers in a United States corporation. They found that, >The degree of autonomy-supportiveness of the work climate did predict overall need satisfaction in each culture, and need satisfaction in turn predicted both task engagement and well-being. Thus by showing that satisfying these needs promotes motivation and mental health across cultures, results of the study are consistent with the view that these needs are universal. https://selfdeterminationtheory.org/SDT/documents/2001_DeciRyanGagneLeoneEtal.pdf Autonomy is also an important need not just for adult workers, but for young people in school. A study looking at adolescent satisfaction with life in school found a relationship between support for autonomy and well-being across different cultures, particularly Denmark and the United States, >To the extent that adolescents felt that their parents and teachers understand their perspectives and allowed them to make their own choices, adolescents positively perceived their lives and their experiences in school. In contrast, when adolescents felt controlled by their parents and teachers, and felt that these authorities treated the adolescents' own experiences and choices as relatively unimportant, they reported lower satisfaction with life in school.

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>>3902 At this point I'm pretty sure that anon is a teenager who decided he wanted to be a communist so he read a handful of short articles and thinks we know what lens he's using when he takes the negative positions itt. Upon being correctly dismissed for failing to present any logical case for his position he doubled down with obtuse examples that make sense from his frame of reference but have left us mystified because he never really elaborated on what he means by "competition" as it pertains to the OP or why every analysis of human interaction has to specifically reference propagation of the species. Hopefully in the future he reads more theory because the path of contrarianism leads more easily to reactionary thought.
>>3896 >social power imbalances that exist outside of material conditions within the bourgeoisie - proletarian paradigm but from those posts it seems like “hierarchy” is just a system of privileges. privileges are really just your rights to interact with certain items in a certain way. that’s the whole basis of property. which puts it under the Marxist definition of class.
>>3872 >>3897 >>3899 This is the type of person who uses "anarkiddie" unironically. Take a good look so that you know what kind of galactic intellect you're up against.
>>3906 >galactic intellect Nothing i said is hard to grasp, actually. OP argues that hierarchy prevents the full potential of humans and is therefore in contradiction to their nature. He ignores that individuals may benefit from supporting a hierarchy that is detrimental to society as a whole. In such a scenario there is no contradiction between human nature and the negative consequences thereof. The only way such a scenario can not exist is if selection operates not on the level of the individual, but that of the collective. >>3903 >but have left us mystified because he never really elaborated on what he means by "competition" Why am i asked to specify a term that OP used before me? It's fine if he uses it, but if greentext it then i suddenly have to "define" it? Get that shit out of here faggot. >or why every analysis of human interaction has to specifically reference propagation of the species If you talk about human nature and "key psychological needs" while coming up with a model that doesn't include evolution you are a brainlet, plain and simple. Not to mention that OP never specified why "competence, relatedness, and autonomy" are the end all be all of human nature. Selective sourcefagging.
>>3904 Forgive me for answering your question with more questions, but do you consider the leaders of the vanguard party to be proletarians? Would you say that they have more agency/autonomy than workers, the same because they represent the class, or less because they have to realize the ideals of a class that may not best represent their material interests?

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