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Socialist Grenada Historian 03/11/2020 (Wed) 12:27:28 No. 33 [Reply]
Does anyone here knows any book or more information, about the socialist revolution, that happened in the Caribbean island of Grenada. And also, what are your thoughts on Maurice Bishop
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In just 4 years in power: > Illiteracy rate dropped in 49% in just 2 years > Over six hundred poor workers received house repair materials through the National House Repair Programme >Thirty Community Centres opened, others being built >Numerous communities cleaned up and improved by voluntary work brigades. >50,000 Grenadians treated by members of the Cuban Medical Workers Team in Grenada >Social projects Units set up in the Ministry of Communications and Works to provide materials for community work around the country >More than 2500 new jobs created >All anti-worker laws abolished. >Trade Union membership increased to 50% from 30% under Gairy to 80% now. >Workers protected by Trade Union Recognition Act. >Maternity Leave Law passed. Major benefits for women in the country. >Equal pay for equal work established by PRG. >All forms of discrimination against women outlawed, law passed to guarantee opportunities to the women of our country. >Secondary School fees reduced to $12.50 per term from $50.00 before the Revolution. In September, secondary education will be free >Over 250 Grenadian students studying abroad on scholarships, as opposed to 3 in 1978. >Volunteer teachers of the Centre for Popular Education, CPE, have started to teach illiterate persons in the country.

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>>34 One more book on Grenadian history
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Also here is my collection of videos, documentaries, speeches on Maurice Bishop and The People's Revolutionary Government: > Bishop's speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7MtydR-fiI < An inside on The People's Revolutionary Government > AP Archive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYg0nLgGyn0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeEQobmmuwk > Fidel visits Grenada https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhsRGC18m3o > Grenada - Revo Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFiYHj3nAJI (part 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6ZBTa47o_w (part 2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtvGdbg3skI (part 3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-4WkI3PNoo (part 4) < About Bishop > Grenada's Transformative Figures - Chapter 3 - Maurice Bishop

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Also I forgot some more important links > Bishop's biography https://thegrenadarevolutiononline.com/bishopcopyrighted.html > List of all Bishop's speeches https://thegrenadarevolutiononline.com/bishspeechlist.html > Bishop's writing "Why a newspaper?" https://thegrenadarevolutiononline.com/bishnewspaper.html
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>>3001 Also here is his voice in high quality

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Germany's former eastern territories Comrade 06/13/2020 (Sat) 06:09:22 No. 1910 [Reply]
Why do so many people have a boner for Germany's old eastern borders? Look at any alt-hist featuring the nation and they still own Pomerania, Silesia, Prussia (East/West) etc. Is it because of aesthetics and looking nice, does /pol/ have anything to do with it, or is it something different? Discuss.
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>>1923 Yeah, hardcore nationalists still consider it 'Elsaß-Lothringen'. No one else cares, it's a part of France.
>>2664 I don't know about the "Sovjet citizens" but the "Sovereign citizens" comparison is on-point.
>>1910 Because Poland is full of reactionaries and reactionary nationalism, to the point where we prefer the Germans.
>>2984 "Soviet citizens" are a movement of Russians who act as if the Soviet Union still exists and that they are not subject to the laws of the Russian Federation. Similarly to sovereign citizens and Reich citizens they are also attracted to absurd conspiracy theories.

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Historian 03/26/2020 (Thu) 07:54:06 No. 1 [Reply]
Is this man the only good youtube historian? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBUGQkpk3RE
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>>1 I like how in his latest video he was clearly butthurt about clever political maneuvering by Tito at the expense of the british LMAO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D87vVWjtp_U
>>2045 sometimes right-wing idiots can still make good content. See TiK vidoes before he came out as a libertardian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc-rFzC63hU
>>1 He's fun to listen to but a British nationalist so I don't take him seriously on anything related to the UK.
>>2520 "Denying Hitler was a socialist means denying the holocaust happened"
>>312 If you are into medieval weapons and martial arts scholagladiatoria blows them all out of the water and is not a retarded right winger: https://www.youtube.com/user/scholagladiatoria

Capitalist here Comrade 07/01/2020 (Wed) 18:04:31 No. 2146 [Reply]
By marxist standards, I do not provide labor, I own capital. From what I understand, the commie concept of wage labor is "exploitation" in the sense that we take the surplus value you produce. Since this board allows non-leftists to ask questions, mine is, why do you think you have the right to the full product/end result of your labor and not just a small compensation? If I were to pay my wagecucks the full amount, or give them control over my company instead of paying them a pittance, I won't be able to stay competitive and maximize profits. In capitalist philosophy on the other hand, exploitation requires the use of force. A worker is not forced to work for me for example, they are 100% free to go find a different job or start their own company. I just wanna know your point of view, and why you think you are entitled to your surplus labor.
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>>2158 (cont.) I want to say an additional observation, which I think you wouldn't find frequently in Marxist literature. I call this the Golden Law of Socialist Economy: ~ In the condition of good environment, the lower GDP of a socialist country is, the better efficiency it will achieve ~
>>2155 >Why can't someone start a business though and go from rags to riches? Such examples are rare, but in any event even if they were more common that would not be the relevant point. An enterprising peasant in the Mughal empire could become a zamindar - whether people change the positions they occupy doesn't change whether those positions are exploitative. >The market values assets because of demand, and if you are able to fulfill this demand, you get rewarded This might be a plausible account of CEO pay - that investors pay CEOs much because they know they're so good at their jobs. (There are of course other explanations, but we're not worried about that issue right now.) However, when you buy a company's assets, you're not buying the CEO's time - you're buying the assets. This can be seen most clearly in the purchase, valuation, and payoffs of securities which don't have to be actively managed at all. (If you're a Nazi this is proof that bankers don't do "real" work but factory owners do, but if you think through the logic of the market at all you'll see that people who own shares of each sector are collecting rent on it in similar ways.)
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>>2146 >In capitalist philosophy on the other hand, exploitation requires the use of force. A worker is not forced to work for me for example, they are 100% free to go find a different job or start their own company. Man, you have got to read Marx.
>>2146 >A worker is not forced to work for me for example, they are 100% free to go find a different job or start their own company. Good job outing yourself as a high schooler. Literally no adult with a mature brain believes in that myth.

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Help with Marxian philosophical reading list Comrade 07/14/2020 (Tue) 12:42:51 No. 2457 [Reply]
I've been doing a bit of reading on the economic aspects of Marxism, however it occurred to me that I don't know where to start with the more philosophical aspects. I've seen people post Stalin's, "Dialectical and Historical Materialism" and I've occasionally been recommended some works by Bukharin, however I really don't know what order would be best to understand concepts such as dialectical materialism or the base and superstructure or ideology, and so on. Could one of you anons help me figure out how exactly I should educate myself on such topics?
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>>2495 >please find me books that already agree with my beliefs
>>2944 >hey I'm reading this subject and I want to know more about <heh, you're just an echo chamber kid peak idiocy
>>2495 Heidegger is more materialist than Marx
>>2949 As is Deleuze. There's also vitalism. Which is and isn't materialist depending on your flavor.
>>2950 Deleuze is just a naive realist

Historical Determinism Comrade 08/06/2020 (Thu) 09:00:46 No. 2916 [Reply]
Why some marxist use historical determinism as a pejorative and how can someone be marxist and reject determinism?
>>2916 Marxists acknowledge that contradictions are inherent to all things in themselves across all times. There is no such thing as an absolute harmony which can be disturbed or reach. Hence dialectics are anti-determinist at a fundamental zero-level.
Historical determinism is often used to mean the belief that history is outside the control of humanity and instead happens to them like the weather. Meanwhile Marx claimed that humans are capable of consciously changing their material conditions (by "revolutionary activity").

Which of these books do you recommend? Anonymous 04/04/2020 (Sat) 21:46:37 No. 767 [Reply] [Last]
And which should I skip?
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Pynchon is very fun to read
>>767 My personal favorite is 77
>>2930 It’s not a book about ideology per se, however it’s an incredible book. It’s a story about childhood’s end, fear, anger, nostalgia, with some midlife crisis stuff thrown in. It’s great
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>>786 >lolita >my gf's favorite book
>>2951 lol She just thinks Nabakov was the century's finest prose stylist.

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The question is when Anonymous 07/27/2020 (Mon) 03:39:14 No. 2874 [Reply]
The late 2010's and early 2020's upheavals were predicted 10 years ago by a relatively simple model that accounts for elite infighting, income inequality, number of 18-29 y.o. people, etc. The same analysis was retroactively applied to many civil wars and revolutions throughout history and the results were pretty consistent: wars, revolutions and upheavals follow pretty deterministic patterns. The thing that's impossible to predict, is the trigger, the casus belli. In-depth paper in [1], 2020 prediction in [2]. On the other hand the rate of profit is falling (empirically proven in [3]), which makes the contradictions accelerate: median living conditions become increasingly unbearable, inequality between the working population and the elite skyrockets, etc. (coronavirus and climate change are just accelerating even further the process). The question is not if, but when, will capitalism collapse. Two options at that point: regression, the elite fights back and wins (fascism, neo-feudalism, apocalyptic-tier world wars, pick your poison) or progression, the working class fights back and wins (socialism, which means the long term construction of post-scarcity society i.e. communism). [1]: https://escholarship.org/uc/item/6qp8x28p [2]: https://www.nature.com/articles/463608a >Quantitative historical analysis reveals that complex human societies are affected by recurrent — and predictable — waves of political instability (P. Turchin and S. A. Nefedov Secular Cycles Princeton Univ. Press; 2009). In the United States, we have stagnating or declining real wages, a growing gap between rich and poor, overproduction of young graduates with advanced degrees, and exploding public debt. These seemingly disparate social indicators are actually related to each other dynamically. They all experienced turning points during the 1970s. Historically, such developments have served as leading indicators of looming political instability >Very long 'secular cycles' interact with shorter-term processes. In the United States, 50-year instability spikes occurred around 1870, 1920 and 1970, so another could be due around 2020. We are also entering a dip in the so-called Kondratiev wave, which traces 40-60-year economic-growth cycles. This could mean that future recessions will be severe. In addition, the next decade will see a rapid growth in the number of people in their twenties, like the youth bulge that accompanied the turbulence of the 1960s and 1970s. All these cycles look set to peak in the years around 2020. [3]: https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/55894/1/MPRA_paper_55894.pdf >The downward trend of the rate of profit, its empirical confirmation, highlights the historically limited nature of capitalist production. If the rate of profit marks the vitality of the system, the logical conclusion is that it approaches further to an endpoint.
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>>2897 Well put comrade, have you read Hinterland, by Phil Neel?
>>2898 >I also am unclear why you find urban environments to be hostile. I agree with your opinion but my reasons are more mundane: vehicle traffic, noise pollution, actual pollution, lack of space for gatherings. None of these are inherent to the city-form. An advanced socialist city of the future could avoid or minimize these issues. I do not share the contempt for cities, but I admit that there is a large untapped potential to them. We could create clean, green, efficient, humane and beautiful cities - capitalism stands in the way.
>>2900 >None of these are inherent to the city-form Not that anon, but the entire history of cities is that of people being forced into them out of brute desperation in search of opportunities for sustenance, falling to ruin both as individuals and generationally all their time there, and fleeing as far from the city center as they can manage the moment they claw together enough resources to afford it. It's pretty obvious that people just really, really hate living in cities.
>>2896 Honestly, I'm against trying to predict the future, but I think it's hard not to let some of the "kill me now" nihilistic millennial humor creep into my thought process. Not least because I've been guilty of perpetuating that nonsense myself.
>>2901 >It's pretty obvious that people just really, really hate living in cities I disagree. People hate living in shitty cities.

Adorno Comrade 08/03/2020 (Mon) 15:00:52 No. 2855 [Reply]
Were his works a coping mechanism because dialectics failed?
No because it was based on Adorno’s misunderstanding of dialectics in the first place. If you actually pay attention to Hegel you’ll see that Dialectics and Negative Dialectics are pretty much the same.
>>2857 You're saying the only difference is that Adorno evaluates it negatively? There seems to be more to it from what I heard.
>>2903 From what I’ve read, Adorno tries to argue against the idea that, in substation, contradictions are abstracted rather than sustained, but it’s based on his own misinterpretation of how Hegel describes sublation rather than Hegel’s failure to understand it.
>>2904 >substation *sublation

Is math invented or discovered? Comrade 07/31/2020 (Fri) 07:24:37 No. 2780 [Reply]
Is mathematics invented, discovered or both?
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>>2859 this is just talking about CS though, not math.
>>2782 /thread Math is riddled with platonists and science is riddled with scientism and brainlets. Pop scientists are somehow many times worse. Here's a hot take though. Math is a set of games with different axioms and rules. Philosophy is the same, a game of words, except with informal logic and words.
>>2860 It was written for CS researchers but is is about proving things in mathematics. Just read it, it's short and easy to understand.
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invented. it has no objective basis in reality. it's simply an abstract mental construct used to describe reality.

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