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Comrade 02/03/2021 (Wed) 09:48:31 No. 6547 [Reply]
What degree should I get? Something with the least amount of math.
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>>6548 I need to pick any. Can't not have a degree
>>6547 Unironically philosophy I guess. Not sure if that's least "mathy" though as there's formal logic type stuff. A philosophy can segue into a surprising number of careers if you're resourceful, isn't just a starbucks degree (although it can be). You can also be an epic memer like Zizek if you're charismatic.
>least amount of math life sciences if you want to stay a STEMlord. I don't know about the humanities - just pick whatever you can study now without getting tired or annoyed. truly, this is the key to having a fulfilling career.
>>6556 Unrelated question, but where fit the Social Sciences between this whole STEM vs Humanities debate?
>>6547 math

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Translation Project Comrade 11/13/2020 (Fri) 19:31:45 No. 5913 [Reply]
I need suggestions of things to translate into English. >ideally fairly short (not a book) >classic text or unsung new author >something awesome. this is along term project I am starting with the New Multitude magazine and we already have one translation completed (Blood and Earth (1958) by Bamaw Tin Aung) and are looking for more. any suggestions?
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>>5913 imma scan Manuel de Survie by Cesarano sometime cause i couldnt find it anywhere online, i could send it here as a mega link or something when i get around to it i guess (unless you can find a scan of it already, or even better, an english translation)
>>5937 what's it about?
Translate the Linear B tablets.
>>5913 I haven’t seen a full English translation of the 1968 east german constitution, only snippets I don’t know if that’s never been translated but I sure can’t find a version and it would be pretty useful

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Slave society and feudalism Comrade 01/12/2021 (Tue) 19:29:45 No. 6482 [Reply]
I need someone to give me a rundown of how does society develop from the end of tribal society up to birth of feudal one.What are the conditions that lead to creation of slave society and lead to its demise? What contradictions are at play here? My understanding is that first large scale agriculture and with it city states are established. You get social stratification into commoners, nobility and priests. Why does this happen? Do priests and nobles start as mere bureaucrats, organizing production and distribution of food, and over the time solidify their position on top of society? I am also not quite clear on the reasons why do these city states proceeds to enslave their neighbours. Is because work, particularly farming, sucks and nobody wants to do it, so the citizens of the city state get slaves for it, and thus the main antagonism is between free citizens and slaves? From what I remember from history, the most important class conflicts in Athens were between rising merchant class and nobility, and in Rome between nobility and plebeians. Ancient city states were oligarchies, but when they expand and become empires, the power seems to concentrate in a hands of single ruler. Why? Also, why does the similar thing happen in feudal kingdoms? In early middle ages, nobility had substantial independence from king, yet during late middle ages came absolutism. At the end, when Roman empire collapsed, why did the newly settled tribes establish feudal relations between nobility and peasantry, rather that slave society?
>>6482 >My understanding is that first large scale agriculture and with it city states are established. You get social stratification into commoners, nobility and priests. Why does this happen? Do priests and nobles start as mere bureaucrats, organizing production and distribution of food, and over the time solidify their position on top of society? I think the stratification happened even before agriculture. Sadly we don't have writing about how exactly the society before class-society. But I think the Chinese has more details on pre-civilization society than the Western sources. Let take the Book of Lord Shang, which was alleged to be a collection of sayings of Shangyang, a famous Chinese politician in 4rd century BC https://ctext.org/shang-jun-shu/opening-and-debarring >During the time when heaven and earth were established, and the people were produced, people knew their mothers but not their fathers. Their way was to love their relatives and to be fond of what was their own. From loving their relatives came discrimination, and from fondness of what was their own, insecurity. As the people increased and were preoccupied with discrimination and insecurity, they fell into disorder. At that time, people were intent on excelling others and subjected each other by means of force; the former led to quarrels, and the latter to disputes. If in disputes there were no justice, no one would be satisfied; therefore men of talent established equity and justice and instituted unselfishness, so that people began to talk of moral virtue. At that time, the idea of loving one's relatives began to disappear, and that of honouring talent arose. In this passage, Shangyang was talking about the stage, which Engels called "savagery". In this stage, the main relationship between people was blood-tied. I think at the end of this stage, Shangyang stated that there were "men of talents", in other word, a group of people who were excellent in organization tasks, or simple noble. >Now virtuous men are concerned with love and the way of talented men is to outvie one another. As people increased and were not restrained and had for long been in the way of outvying one another, there was again disorder. Therefore a sage, who received the administration, made divisions of land and property, of men and women. Divisions having been established, it was necessary to have restraining measures, so he instituted interdicts. These being instituted, it was necessary to have those who could enforce them. Thereupon he established officials. These having been established, it was necessary to have some one to unify them. So he set up a prince. Once a prince had been set up, the idea of honouring talent disappeared, and that of prizing honour arose. Thus in the highest antiquity, people loved their relatives and were fond of what was their own; in middle antiquity, they honoured talent and talked of moral virtue; and in later days, they prized honour and respected office. Honouring talent means outvying one another with doctrines, but setting up a prince means relegating talented men to unemployment. Loving one's relatives means making selfishness one's guiding principle, but the idea of equity and justice is to prevent selfishness from holding the field. But these three methods did not aim at antagonistic purposes. The guiding principles of the people are base and they are not consistent in what they value. As the conditions in the world change, different principles are practised. Therefore it is said that there is a fixed standard in a king's principles. In this passage, Shangyang talked about the flow of history, the transition between stages. He identified three stages, which I think were corresponding to Engels' three stages too (savagery, barbarian, civilization): 1. Highest antiquity: people loved their (blood) relatives and were fond of what was their own; (savagery, this may be the era where warfare and cannibalism was common) 2. Middle antiquity: they honoured talent and talked of moral virtue (I think this is the period of ancient communism, or barbarian. This period is quite peaceful if we believed what the scientists talked about the relation between brain size and aggressiveness. 10000 BC is a period where human brain size was quite small compared to previous era) 3. Later days, they prized honour and respected office. (100% the era of statehood, in other word, civilization) Interestingly, Shangyang also said that private property existed before the state (basically in agreement with Engels), as >Therefore a sage, who received the administration, made divisions of land and property, of men and women. Divisions having been established, it was necessary to have restraining measures, so he instituted interdicts. These being instituted, it was necessary to have those who could enforce them. Thereupon he established officials. These having been established, it was necessary to have some one to unify them. So he set up a prince.

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Daniel Dennett Comrade 01/30/2021 (Sat) 17:34:12 No. 6533 [Reply]
Does anyone here actually get him? Not as he is too hard to understand but his views on consciousness seem just bizarre to me. How can you deny it and just reduce it to physical phenomenona? I am not saying this because I am religious or anything, but this to me is literally denying what is in front of your eyes just because it doesn't fit in your worldview.
If you can understand consciousness as physical phenomenona. That's powerful stuff for healing chronic pain conditions.
>>6533 The great divide in this debate is pretty much a trichotomy between panpsychism, satellite theory, and physicalism.
>>6544 >satellite theory ?
I think to understand Dennett's position better it may be worth starting with epistemology (naturalism) rather than metaphysics (materialism). It's also worth noting that it can end up as a more modest position than it seems at first, by virtue of just what we're rejecting when we say we're rejecting qualia. Let's say we start with a naturalist methodology - that is, a position that says that philosophy should be committed to the same methodologies as science, broadly construed. Naturalism doesn't *necessarily* lead to materialism. You could start with a hypothesis that there are ghosts, formulate a bunch of secondary hypotheses about what would happen if there were or were not ghosts, go into some haunted houses, see how the hypotheses hold out, then let other people reproduce them. All of this involves communicating public information. Now, if you have a private experience with the supernatural, unless you can convert it into publically verifiable/communicable information, it's not science. So let's get past ghosts and move on to qualia. It's important to note that "qualia" is a narrower category than "experience," in particular, it's what's left of experience *when you take out all the public facts about it.* Think of the archetypal case, Mary the color scientist, a congenitally colorblind researcher who knows everything there is to know about color (what wavelength red is, the cultural associations of red, how seeing red affects humans and bulls, whatever) except what it looks like. Then she gets eye surgery and can see color, learning "what red looks like?" What kind of knowledge is this, if any? From the perspective of methodological naturalism, because the extra content of the quale of redness - what's left after we subtract every externally observable fact - by definition can't be communicated, it's (by definition) meaningless to speak of it. Philosophy is, after all (or at least on this conception), a set of public speech acts. Now I think there are a number of different ways you can respond to this. One is to say it's not that weird, Dennet isn't denying consciousness, he's denying a supposed nonfalsifiable extra ingredient to consciousness, or, rather, that we could coherently have conversations about such a thing. Another is to say, wait, everyone is sitting around insisting that they have this extra thing going on with the redness of red above and beyond observable facts, and surely *that* (people's tendency to do this) is an externally observable fact that we need to better account for, possibly by saying "yeah there likely is SOMETHING else even if it's really hard to say what it is." (It's been a while since I've read Dennett so I forget how well he does attempt to explain this.) A third response would be to reject methodological naturalism and say that philosophy is something you can in fact do within the confines of your own skull, no public communication with other actors required. I don't think any of these options really solve the Hard Problem, it all seems pretty spooky to me even after reading a great deal on it. But Dennett starts with a defensible (even if not my favorite) conception of what philosophy is, and then every step he takes from there to eliminative materialism is likewise very reasonable.

THe Birth and Death of Meaning Comrade 01/30/2021 (Sat) 11:47:02 No. 6525 [Reply]
I have been trying to get a .pdf copy of this book but I have been unable to find it? Does anyone have a .pdf of it?

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I don't understand marx Comrade 01/20/2021 (Wed) 04:35:33 No. 6497 [Reply]
Since I've started studying marxism a few years ago, I've had issues with learning or focusing. I just can't sit down and learn something - I simply can't. I can't even read a page in capital without getting bored or losing track of my thoughts. And I just can't get any new information into my brain - I'm trying so hard, and I've tried all different kinds of techniques - but I'm just tired, I'm losing the energy to do this. I've been dealing with depression a lot, so that might be relevant as well I don't have these issues when the stuff I have to read is really exciting for me, but if it just appears slightly irrelevant to me, I completely lose my motivation. I perform really well in the philosophy of logic, because it's something you have to understand and not learn . Once you know how to do it, you can make use of it. But when it comes to learning, I perform very badly. I enviously look at my colleagues, because even the laziest will still manage to learn something in order to pass the exam, while I am just mentally incapable of learning something new. The thing is, I've already figured that marxism is most likely not the right thing for me. I will have nothing to do with the knowledge anyway because I'm from Ukraine where communism is illegal. Studying in general is not for me - I'm more of a practical guy, I need to do things, touch things with my hands and disassemble them to learn how they work. Even ritalin doesn't help.
>>6497 ok midwit
Read this: https://libcom.org/files/Perlman%20-%20The%20Reproduction%20of%20Daily%20Life.pdf Read a chapter of it, they are very short. Minimize the window, and try writing a quick summary of what you have just read. Read it again and compare it with your summary. If your summary was off (at first it will be), minimize the windows again and write a new one from scratch. Go through the whole thing in this manner. At first it will be very exhausting but it works. After this, do the same with these: http://www.notbored.org/marxisms.pdf https://www.marxists.org/archive/korsch/1934/why-marxist.htm These together with the first will give you a strong foundation that will enable you to understand the logic of Marx instead of trying to memorizing his arguments.
>>6497 Read these books to learn how to learn: >how to read a book >making it stick >deep work >atomic habits If you are a retard, and know you are a retard who's brain has been fried by the internet, then read those books and teach yourself how you learn again. Then go tackle difficult books. Start slow and fix your fundamentals. You don't go bench press without knowing proper form.
>I'm more of a practical guy, I need to do things, touch things with my hands and disassemble them to learn how they work. Even ritalin doesn't help. Interesting. If you don't have a long-running habit of exposing yourself to dense, academic literature, it is really no surprise that you are having problems with comprehension and retention. For reference, I come from a physiology and medicine background - Marxist material is much harder to deal with than any related to my field, and far beyond what I was exposed to even in the various humanities courses I had to take as an undergrad. I wouldn't beat yourself up over it. Perhaps start with some secondary sources from reputable websites to give you a decent framework for understanding the primary material, then start reading it small chunks. You WILL have to take notes, re-read, and summarize in your own words to learn anything. This is not exclusive to Marxist literature - it's how you learn anything technical in general.
>>6541 (me) Also, join an online reading group if you can. Just hearing a simplified, yet complete explanation from a well-versed cadre can be huge for your learning. It will also prevent any misconceptions from festering into a genuine problem and keep you motivated. I am busy as all hell with other readings related to my vocational training, so this is how I get my theory in now.

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Comrade 01/27/2021 (Wed) 14:08:11 No. 6521 [Reply]
Hey you? Are you tired of studying history? Worry not as i have generalised history as much as i can for you to understand properly,are you ready?,lets go! History is pretty much like this: Medival European: >King Leopward XXXVV invades the proto-Germanic Ballsackenburg sublime holy duchy of 147th Rome in an attempt to force Princess Anne MXX to suck his cock and secure an alliance against the Spanish Habsburg el goblino creatura's Holy Alliance of the Danube, Sicily, baku, The Pope (allegedly) and Crete. >between 1 to 1,000,000 troops engage in the nigriver Rhinewestpedoepsteinburg and fight for 6 million days,followed with 8gorillion days of castle siege, only to retreat with status quo antebellum, setting the stage for the 19th invasion of England by the King’s successor 2 years later. >unknown number of dead,probably three, unknown number of wounded,most likely in the thousands, several anuses marked with the radiant holy judeo-chrstian-Arab republic of le italiano squantants family seal >then a plague happens and kill everyone because they did not have masks and social distancing at the time,afterwards a famine happens and the local village starts using all its stored food supplies,composed of four potatoes, a dead sheep,and your leg. Roman: >for the 12th time this decade,the Senate OBESVS PORCVS(dont translate it) decide to send his best roman general "Maximvs niger ano est"(seriously don't) to the east in another military campaign to steal some good shit strengthen the rule of rome in there.

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Don't quit your day job.
>>6527 you too
>>6529 Lak gave me permission to put dog wieners on Lenny's face. She gave me permission too. She said Kenny's trash so it's okay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s2vhaVGr94
>>6521 Well, what you said is pretty much true, but it's because of normal history they teach us is trash. If you read much detailed works, history becomes more complex and interesting. I don't know much about other, but this book dispelled the stereotypical image of history of China in my head http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=16C7CBD3C614C8ED4FEC8BE603473FD0

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/his/ humour thread Historian 03/15/2020 (Sun) 21:22:26 No. 194 [Reply]
Dark edition.
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>>855 Bunkerchan.xyz/edu It’d be good if we had more people.
>>866 >>855 I sexond this one
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I'm bumping this with some OC. None of the other images in this thread come up for me though?
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Bob da bricky.

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The beginnings of our new leftypol project Anonymous Board volunteer 05/27/2020 (Wed) 23:20:07 No. 5150 [Reply] [Last]
Hello everyone, we have received the results of our project proposal topic, and I'm delighted to announce that we are teaming up with 'leftypedia' to deliver our planned 'argument/talking point resource' idea. In case you don't know, leftypedia is the current version of the old abandoned 'marxistpedia' which was a project started by leftypol users back in the day, so I think this is sort of like a homecoming in a way. https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Anyway, if you have a look at the leftypedia site you might be able to tell that they have a much more formal and 'encyclopedic' tone than what we're planning, just like wikipedia, but the admin is going to create a separate 'category' for our new content that will be called something like 'rhetoric: topic' rather than just 'topic', this will also feature on the frontpage much like the encyclopedic content. As a tenplate, I'd like you to feast your eyes on these pages which someone on leftypedia already made (albeit only on their personal userspace for now). https://leftypedia.org/wiki/User:Anarcho-Bolshevik/compendium I'd like to ask if anyone can come up with a slightly more catchy name for our new section than 'rhetoric', cause that sounds a bit cumbersome to me even though I came up with it, so yeah, open to suggestions. So, since that isn't implemented yet, I'd like you all to try familiarise yourselves with the site for now, maybe take a look at the articles that are already there and improve some of them if you feel able. Unfortunately the site currently has only edit by approval so you will have to wait for any changes you make to be approved, this is because of a persistent spambot problem and I hope that we will be able to work out something to change this to normal editing as on wikipedia and the like, please just bear with it for now. If you have an answer to a 'common question', or you have an effortpost you'd like to archive and save, then please post it in this topic for now so that we can work on it together until we can figure out how to categorise our new section of the site. Thanks for your attention! EDIT: I've now got admin permissions on leftypedia, so I can create pages and approve edits directly. If you want to use the site I recommend you create a user account, which I can then approve once you make a productive edit (to distinguish from spambots), then you won't have to wait for approval anymore and can create articles yourself. Or, just ask me and I can create an article for you if you're desperate to make one as your first edit. Thanks guys, I hope we can make this project cool together!

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>>5150 >Cuban Republic article doesn't mention Castro or the Revolution except in passing >Castro doesn't have his own article >Che Guevara isn't even mentioned >Bay of Pigs is forgotten MFW https://leftypedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Cuba
>>6168 Thanks, good source to sue for later
>>6175 *use
>>6175 2 months later im still laughing at this

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Buenaventura 01/22/2021 (Fri) 21:01:47 No. 6510 [Reply]
Does anyone have the holocaust infographic? It was in one of these threads but it got deleted with everything else
Which holocaust exactly?, jews have been screaming about six millions even before the war
>>6511 It was the really large one that started with "uh oh a holocaust denial thread" or something similar to that


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