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Anonymous 07/16/2020 (Thu) 20:31:36 No. 12282
what do you guys think of H.P lovecraft ?
Edited last time by krates on 07/17/2020 (Fri) 22:44:12.
>>12303 hitler himself liked muslims
>>12296 Who doesn't hate the perfidious d*tch though? Their whole country is below sea level. You know what's also below sea level? The Deep Ones. Dagon. Sunken R'lyeh. And far too tall, as if for generations they've been interbreeding with a race of gangly alien conquerors from way out beyond the stars. Awful people. Awful country. A pervasive aura of wrongness hangs over the country like a pall. >>12300 >Lovecraft died in 1937. Yes, and Herbert West interviewed him in 1948.
When you think about it, we actually did discover lovecraftian/eldritch shit in the far reaches of space in a sense In regards to black holes for instance, we use Infinity for our calculations because the math is unable to calculate it - as the escape velocity comes ever closer to light speed for instance, the mass exponentially grows. we have to do a border comparison, which returns infinity as gravity for an escape velocity of c at the event horizon. A black hole is also a sphere. the horizon of the sphere is the cutoff point of our universe and the spacetime inside the sphere. the singularity is simply the center. if we follow our conventional physics, then at the exact cutoff point of the event horizon, spacetime's curvature is infinite to make the escape velocity c. that means that inside the horizon, things get..eldritch. spacetime is bent to such a degree that the dimensions of time and the dimensions of space switch spots. there is no way out because every direction leads toward the singularity. in essence, space has become time and the singularity is all around you. the only way to get out would be to go back in time. this is what people mean when they say that inside a black hole, physics and mathematics doesn't work. it just doesn't. think about some logical consequences of the things we currently know about black holes and general physics. 'black hole' is an apt name for this phenomenon. a spot in the fabric of reality that tears it apart in ways we cannot reconcile. a barrier that can only be crossed one way, and once beyond, nothing works the way it should. black holes are quite possibly the most lovecraftian thing in this universe. That’s not to get into stars, powered by insane incomprehensible energy, with heat so intense as to fuse atoms together, they have natural life cycles too depending on the type of star, and on the cosmic scale stars are almost like cells or atoms, in fact, ain’t it interesting how solar systems and the components of atoms resemble each other?
>I-Is that... an Italian person... in my beautiful New England?!? AHHHHH uighurMAN HELP ME I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAAANE
>>12311 Too bad Lovecraft was apparently not aware of the work of Einstein or Schwarzschild. They had already theorized the existence of black holes by his day.
>>12303 /pol/ definitely does not worship him? not sure why you think that. /tv/ and /lit/ mock him endearingly but I think that's the extent 4chan knows or cares about Lovecraft
>>12285 wigger
>>12313 >Too bad Lovecraft was apparently not aware of the work of Einstein or Schwarzschild. Nope. In one story, there's some refrerence to some semitic man saying that time is relative. Lovecraft also used Alfred Wegener's continental drift theory as a vehicle.
>>12282 insane reactionary and racist who was also a talented writer. /thread
>>12285 Black king.
>>12282 good stories and basically a caricature of New England. 10/10.
>>12282 Nothing
>>12295 source? Copypastaing that would be coemdy gold
great writer, worth reading, essential if you're ever interested in accelerationism
While a lot of people talk about his racism, I think it's important to contextualize it. Once you understand Lovecraft's background, you get a bit of insight into why he had some really morally abhorrent views. >Born and raised in a dilapidated New England Mansion >Father went incurably insane when he was a young boy, Lovecraft had to watch him physically disintegrate in an asylum >Lived with his grandfather, received no formal education but had free access to all of his grandfather's books; getting classic literature, a few sciences, etc >Develops no social relationships outside of his immediate family in this time >Mother suddenly goes insane and gets sent to the same psychiatric ward >Eventually released, takes Lovecraft back home and lives the life of a hermit >Constantly tells Lovecraft that he's disgusting, he's ugly, that he couldn't EVER go outside because of how horrible he looks. >During this time it's said that Lovecraft only ever left the house for necessities, and even then only wearing a large coat and hat and not making eye contact with anyone. >Gets his big break writing horror >His letter to the editor describes his own stories as trash, but hopefully one of them would be worth printing. >Never really achieves fame, but gets a small circle of writers he'd correspond with frequently. >For the first time in his entire adult life, Lovecraft actually has friends. >Gets married, his wife believes that she can help him by rescuing him from the shadow of his family-life in New England, they move to New York City. >Lovecraft, social mess that he is, immediately hates the city. >Goes from seeing no one outside of his immediate family to massive crowds of people, impoverished migrants, etc >Perpetually unemployed, has no actual skillset to find a job. >Wife eventually divorces him, he immediately returns to New England >Keeps up the correspondence with his friends, meets a few of them in person. >Dies completely broke. Honestly, Lovecraft's life is a a testament to what loneliness could do to a person.
>>12323 >Lived with his grandfather, received no formal education but had free access to all of his grandfather's books; getting classic literature, a few sciences, etc Reminds me of Dunwich Horror. But if we're going to believe Houllebecq's long essay, Lovecraft was at first infatuated with New York. He didn't like to grow up. Had to stop playing with his toys at 17. He also thought that he was born in the wrong century. He would rather have lived in the 1700s or the 2000s, IIRC.
The man was incredibly fearful of everything all the time. One of his books IIRC was based on his fear of his neighbor's brand new air conditioner and it gave him nightmares until he went over there and spent a few hours and realized it wasn't going to suck his soul out or something.
>>12285 A what? I think you forgot to post the whole thing
>>12323 >be lumpen >be reactionary like clockwork
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>>12325 yeah here it is >The story is set up as the narrator's explanation for why a "draught of cool air" is the most detestable thing to him. >The tale opens up in the spring of 1923 with the narrator looking for housing in New York City, finally settling in a converted brownstone on West Fourteenth Street. Eventually, a chemical leak from the floor above reveals that the inhabitant directly overhead is a strange, old, reclusive doctor. One day the narrator suffers a heart attack, and remembering that a doctor lives directly above, heads there, culminating in his first meeting with Dr. Muñoz. >The doctor shows supreme medical skill and saves the narrator with a concoction of drugs, resulting in the fascinated narrator returning regularly to sit and learn from the doctor, his new friend. As their talks continue, it becomes increasingly evident that the doctor has an obsession with defying death through all available means. >The doctor's room is kept cold at approximately 56 degrees Fahrenheit (13 degrees Celsius) using an ammonia-based refrigeration system, the pumps driven by a gasoline engine. As time goes on, the doctor's health declines and his behaviour becomes increasingly eccentric. The cooling system is continuously upgraded, to the point where some areas are at sub-freezing temperatures--until one night when the pump breaks down. >Without explanation, the panic-striken doctor frantically implores his friend to help him keep his body cool. Unable to repair the machine until morning and without a replacement piston, they resort to having the doctor stay in a tub full of ice. The narrator spends his time replenishing the ice, but soon is forced to employ someone else to do it. When he finally manages to locate competent mechanics and the replacement part however, it is too late. >He arrives at the apartment only to see the rapidly-decomposed remains of the doctor, and a rushed, "hideously smeared" letter. The narrator reads it, and to his horror, finally understands the doctor's peculiarities: Dr. Muñoz was undead, and has been for the past 18 years. Refusing to give in, he has kept his body going past the point of death using various methods, including perpetual coldness.
>>12327 I wouldn't exactly say he was lumpen, class-wise. More like an impoverished aristocrat.
>>12293 Dude literally hated everything not an Angloid New Englander. To the point that he called Hitler’s political platform “too moderate” in his early years.
>>12321 He only wrote The Shadow Over Innsmouth because he found out that his grandpa was welsh. The ending where the protagonist found out that he’s also a deep one is from that.
>>12296 The only race who racists aren't allowed to hate is People of Blackface (aka the Dutch).
>>12287 /thread
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>>12323 While it doesn't justify his racism by any means, I reserve a certain amount of pity for Howard P. because of his bad life experiences. I feel like part of the why he developed such outlandish and paranoid political views was that so much of his life had been painful and confusing in a way he found difficult to make sense of. Clearly he was dealing with whatever mental illness he'd inherited from his parents as well as what was clearly some debilitating social anxiety. I have a feeling that he'd probably have been an alright bloke (for the time) if he hadn't had such a shit upbringing. A lot of the gloominess and existential despair in his writing is clearly borne of the unhappiness that pervaded his whole existence.
>>12287 >racist how? >>12288 Cthulhu isn't scary anymore because people don't actually read his literature and thus fail to understand that it isn't some generic kaiju, but a LITERAL (eldritch) god who is incomprehensible in true form and humanity is absolutely nothing in front of it.
To repost The subject of Hitler came up several times in Lovecraft's letters, and this particular quote I think helps to put a good deal of his views on the man - and the Nazis in general - in perspective. It is more damning with faint praise than Hitler receives in some of Lovecraft's other letters, casting the Nazi dictator as the lesser of two evils, and focusing specifically on the contrast between Nazism and Bolshevism - basically, the Communist revolution in Russia, with its inherent overthrowing of the old order and iconoclasm. While we today know that Hitler was worse than Lovecraft knew, these are the views of a man from his own time, working with what limited information came through the press - and even at that, Lovecraft was suspicious of the press, leading to a kind of epistemic closure. It was really only through correspondents like Shea that Lovecraft got any kind of challenge to some of the preconceptions he held, which forced him to defend and reconsider them. "As for Germany today—to call it a “madhouse” is to exaggerated in the grossest fashion. The details of Nazism are deplorable, but they do not even begin to compare in harmfulness with the extravagances of communism. You seem to forget that most of the German people are quietly going about their business as usual, with a much better morale than they had last year. If the Nazi destruction of certain books is silly—& there is no reason to deny that it is—then there is no word to express the abysmal idiocy & turpitude of the bolshevik war on normal culture & expression. Germany has not even begun to parallel Russia in the destruction of those basic values which Western Europeans live by. When I say I like Hitler I do not imply that his is a & blindly against the disintegrative forces which more educated & sophisticated people accept without adequate evidence as inevitable. His neurotic fanaticism, scientific addle-patedness, & crude gaucheries & extravagances are admitted & deplored—& of course it is quite possible that he actually may do more harm than good. Once can scarcely prophesy the future. But the fact remains that he is the sole remaining rallying-point for German morale, & that virtually all of the best & most cultivated Germans accept him temporarily for what he is—a lesser evil at a special & exacting crisis of history. Objections to Hitler—that is, the violent & hysterical objections which one sees outside Germany—seem to be based largely on a soft idealism or “humanitarianism” which is out of places in an emergency. This sentimentalism may be a pleasing ornament in normal times, but it must be kept out of the way when the survival of a great nation hangs in the balance. The preservation of Germany as a coherent cultural & political fabric is of infinitely greater importance than the comfort of those who have been incommoded by Nazism—& of course the number of suffers is negligible as compared with that of bolshevism’s victims. If what you say were true—that others could save Germany better than Hitler—then I’d be in favour of giving them a chance. But unfortunately the others had their chance & didn’t prove themselves equal to it. [...] Your hatred of Nazism—especially in the light of your extenuation of bolshevism’s vastly greater savageries—appears to me to be a matter of idealistic emotion unsupported by historic perspective or by a sense of the practical compromises necessary in tight places. Emotion runs away with you. For example—you get excited about four Americans who were mobbed because they didn’t salute the Nazi flag. Well, as a matter of fact, did you ever hear of a nation that didn’t mob foreigners who refused to salute its flag in times of political & military emergency? [...] Still—don’t get my wrong. I’m not saying that Schön[e] Adolf is anything more than a lesser evil. A crude, blind force—a stop-gap. The one point is that he’s the only force behind which the traditional German spirit seems to be able to get. When the Germans can get another leader, & emerge from the present period of arbitrary fanaticism, his usefulness will be over." - H. P. Lovecraft to J. Vernon Shea, 8 Nov 1933, 000-0655, Letters to J. Vernon Shea 202-203 >>12340 >>12295 >>12293 >The Welsh Aye, Albion Gwiber of (New) England has always clashed with Y Ddraig Goch
>>15189 I think it’s more that Cthulhu is no longer scary because we’ve had world ending weapons, have known the universe is incomprehensibly vast, have known how old the universe is, known the entire history of Earth and our evolution without any god needed, for nearly a century now. Once you’ve lived fearing the very real end of the world due to human warfare for decades Cthulhu conceptually seems way less scary.
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A very interesting Evangelion x Cthulhu Mythos Crossover fic that I enjoyed but also left me somewhat unsettled. Frankly the sheer horror of the eldritch beings and how they affect people is what makes it a bit offputting after finishing. It's the kind of horror that crawls under your skin like a tentacle. https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3872447/1/Fear Of course the 'best' Eva-Cthulhu fic is of course Children of an Elder God http://www.thekeep.org/~rpm/eva/coaeg.html https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/ChildrenOfAnElderGod On a seperate note there is an anime based on HP Lovecraft's ideas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyaruko:_Crawling_with_Love Speaking of Digimon got really eldritch with some of its media. https://bogleech.com/digimon/d150mother.html https://old.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/1yby6j/evangelion_unit_01neon_genesis_evangelion_vs/ Also it's amusing that some biblical depictions of angels are closer to Evangelion than anything we see in common media.
>>15195 His power is supposed to be casually equivalent to an all out nuclear strike and the noneuclidian horror is an affect that supposedly affects anyone. Cthulhu is only less scary because it's fiction with a realistic edge to it.
Color Out of Space is the only story of his that genuinely spooked me
>>15195 In the original works Cthulhu isn’t that great though. It’s just a lowly priest settling on a planet most other Old Ones considered an irrelevant backwater world. The thing works through madness of the world and can go intangible, no weapon can really affect it.
>>15364 I mean Gamma Ray Bursts can destroy our planet whenever and we have no proof time can’t just randomly stop, so....
Various people have said that Lovecraft expressed a thorough-going materialism either throughout or in his later works. I'm pretty this "materialism" is of the naturalist sort. Recently, his work eventually inspired the philosophy of "speculative realism"- imagining the world as autonomous from human comprehension- which the influence is obvious. I would say that it's a trend that has appeared as the social sciences have increasingly begun to realise the slow pace of its predictive power. And, more specifically, in relation to some British universities' embrace of continental philosophy and radical, para-academic aesthetics. Williams S. Burroughs underwent a similar treatment because of Nick Land in the 80-90s; and, what do you know; Lovecraft was a big inspiration for him as well.
Good entertainer, nothing more than that.
>>15368 >Recently, his work eventually inspired the philosophy of "speculative realism"- imagining the world as autonomous from human comprehension- which the influence is obvious. But that idea is not rare at all, you can find it through the history of philosophy. IMO Baudrillard's "objective irony" (objects play with us, not we with them) is a far more interesting spin on the idea than speculative realism. As for fiction you could as well cite Philip Dick as an influence for example.
dont much about lovecraft but i found a 8bit rpg for like 3 dollars on steam called cthulu saves the world and it was amusing for a bit
>>15452 Lovecraft and video games is a pretty good mix in theory, but not many do it well because once you figure out how the game's systems work it loses all of that crushing horror. Take Amnesia for example - it quickly becomes a simple stealth game with resource management. A proper Lovecraft game would constantly tweak its systems just to fuck with your sense of what's going to happen. And/or would have the systems so complex and opaque that the player can never figure out how things really interact with each other. Then horror would be something more than just cheap decoration.
>>15456 i agree 100% but i was talking about a 3 dollar 8 bit rpg that was goofy so i didnt have super high expectations
What do you guys think of h bomber guys video on him? https://youtu.be/l8u8wZ0WvxI
>>18361 >HPlovercraft in te 21 century is really about me. Video turns into personal sex idpol after a few minutes. I thought I would get interesting stuff about the HPloveccratf fantasy world, but it turns out it is about boring personal stuff. I think the video might be trying to tell me homophobes are fish people. I probably did not understand that the way it was meant. It is definitely trying to spoil the fun about HPs cool monsters. If you think it is about something else , you did not grow up, you grew sour.
>>18366 >I think the video might be trying to tell me homophobes are fish people. <I probably did not understand that the way it was meant. Audibly keked
>>12282 I hear he had a redemption arc at the end of his life, but I am not sure.
nigger cat lmaoo
According to porkypedia: >After leaving New York, he moved to an apartment at 10 Barnes Street near Brown University with his surviving aunt; a few years later, they moved to a slightly less expensive place at 65 Prospect Street. As a result of the Great Depression, he shifted towards socialism, decrying both his prior beliefs and the rising tide of fascism.[78] He supported Franklin D. Roosevelt, but he thought that the New Deal was not sufficiently leftist.[79]
>>18382 He shifted significantly to the left in the last 6 years of his life, disowning his reactionary past and basically becoming a socialist. I recommend reading his personal letters, it's fascinating watching how his views change, and how disillusioned and disgusted he becomes with the views of his younger self.
>>18382 He shat on The New Deal for trying to save the doomed system of capitalism and advocate for revolutionary actions. He was only a reactionary due to his dysfunctional upbringing of a NEET in hyper conservative New England. Similar to how Che used to be white supremacist until he actually lived alongside actual working class people and realized the “racial divide” of LatAm is completely made up by the ruling oligarchs to mimic to colonial period.
>>12317 the insane produce the best art, its why reactionary nineteenth century Russians made some of the best literature


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