No.10605
>>10604>inb4 modernoid cope about abstract art and picassodaily reminder picasso and the rest of non-realist artists are just shit and use art as a money laundering front.
No.10606
>>10605>muh money laundering memeRead a book
No.10607
Can we avoid another autistic debate and post actual art
No.10609
>>10605Anti-modernist Marxists are an embarrassment to their creed.
No.10613
>>10604Wtf?
Bernie Sanders was in the Soviet Union?!
No.10615
>>10609>creedmarxism isn't a religion. Also why should marxists just accept bourgeois modernist ideology anyways? glow harder
No.10616
I have really come to appreciate socialist realism, it has produced some unique, unparalleled art that transports real messages. Its not just all Stalin forever.
No.10617
>>10616Idem, thi shit is meaningful. It has an inherent positivity off the chart, is like the anti doom for me.
No.10618
>>10615Why should Marxists accept conservative notions of art? It's as much bourgeois ideology as Modernism if not more.
No.10619
>>10616I don't like socialist realist art personally, but there is definitely some really good shit in there mixed with the not so good shit
No.10624
>>10605Picasso was a comrade though. He also did do realist paintings.
No.10627
>>10625Does anyone know the story of the one with Lenin? The Blind Man on the right seems like a folklore figure.
>>16976Based
No.10629
>>16976
This is amazing
No.10630
where are my constructivist homies at
No.10644
post related
>>10643 checked for based trips
No.10663
>>10605Failing to distinguish modern from contemporary art is the quickest way anyone can out themselves as a philistine. Please, for the love of God, read an art history book. When it comes to Russian art, the decade following 1917 was in the hands of the Constructivists, who had much more interesting things to say about the "function" or "purpose" of art than any of the Socialist Realist painters that would come to replace them. I don't see how complaining about "abstract art and picasso" helps us formulate a critique of art as financial asset. Hell, if you actually wanted to talk about art—both in terms of labor and value, then the Constructivists would be a great starting point.
>>10615Because the early Soviet Union
at its best was fundamentally a modernist project! Back then, it was certain high-ranking party members' insistence on maintaining a sense of "heritage" in the post-revolutionary "proletarian culture" that many artists themselves had deemed bourgeois and sought to reject. They failed, and so we got 30+ years of Socialist Realism under Stalin instead; it's just Neoclassicism draped in red. If you want an illustration of this degeneration, then compare Tatlin's Tower (1920) with Iofan's Palace of the Soviets (1932). The former represents world revolution, while the latter shows a revolution being put on hold.
>>10616As much I hate on it, I have to agree. I learned to appreciate it more by reading Boris Groys. Russian art critics always provide unique perspectives.
No.11233
>>10663I'm sorry but Tatlin's Tower just looks like a rollercoaster to me
No.11243
>>11231You're not alone. Some Indonesian architects thought similarly in their re-imagination of it a couple years ago.
>>11233That would've been a pretty massive rollercoaster, lol. I always thought it looked more like a large telescope or artillery piece. Tatlin's Tower was also known as the "Monument to the Third International" and if built was meant to serve as their new headquarters, all the while rivaling other monuments to modernity such as the Eiffel Tower and Statue of Liberty. It's hard to get a sense of scale because most architectural renders of it look like miniatures.
No.11254
>>10613Well yeah, he spent his honeymoon there
No.11264
>>11243Its certainly a weird design. I cant say I'm not interested though
No.12205
>>10604Anyone have that air-launch tower monument? Can't find it
No.12327
>>11243>>10663Is the tower's design supposed to convey the history of class struggle with its peak representing communism, like in those diamat diagrams? If so that's pretty clever but I imagine it would've gone over a lot of people's heads.
No.12328
>>12327 (me)
I'm of course talking about something like these two pics.
No.12329
>>12327>>12328>>10663Alternatively, designing major architecture in the form of a diagram provides anybody in the vicinity with a handy diagram they can use to explain the idea a bit. Being weirdly shaped tends to provoke curiosity which is a great opportunity to explain what's being diagrammed.
No.12394
>>10627probably rasputin's grandfather
No.12415
>go on leftypol
>they think a valid criticism of NatSoc is "muh aesthetics"
>At the end of the day they're still children swept away by appearance and form like anyone else
You try to maintain a constant smug and condescending tone and then slip up all the time with your bullshit.
No.12580
you can go on pastvu.com and pick paintings layer instead of photos
there are many
No.12723
Spengler. He thought that you could see the difference between civilizations in their art and mathematics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Decline_of_the_West< Apollonian Civilization is focused around Ancient Greece and Rome. Spengler saw its world view as being characterized by appreciation for the beauty of the human body, and a preference for the local and the present moment.
< Magian Civilization includes the Jews from about 400BC, early Christians and various Arabian religions up to and including Islam. Its world feeling revolved around the concept of world as cavern, epitomized by the domed Mosque, and a preoccupation with essence. Spengler saw the development of this civilization as being distorted by too influential presence of older cultures, the initial vigorous expansionary impulses of Islam being in part a reaction against this.
< Faustian Civilization began in Western Europe around the 10th century and according to Spengler such has been its expansionary power that by the 20th century it was covering the entire earth, with only a few Regions where Islam provides an alternative world view. The world feeling of Faustian civilization is inspired by the concept of infinitely wide and profound space, the yearning towards distance and infinity.
A gothic cathedral that strives for height can be seen as Faustian. And a Greek sculpture that focuses on the body and can be seen from multiple angles can be seen as apollonian. Greek mathematics was this closed Euclidian space, whereas contemporary mathematics is boundless.
But at a cursory glance, there are some discrepancies. For instance, the Khmer probably invented the zero.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22313665-finding-zeroAnd the Hindu mathematics and religion is all about this really huge and really small numbers. For instance, the Kali Yuga (the shortest and the worst of them) is supposed to last 432000 years. So in comparison to Spengler's idea that a civilization last for 1000 years, he's peanuts. So Spengler basically says that the reason civilization X didn't do Y wasn't the lack of knowledge nor agency, but that they rather didn't want to
No.12725
>>12195>>12194>>12193I love constructivism. Any more?
No.19353
>90% of the content is political
Please post art that does more than that.
No.26425
muh psoitivity, muh genre paintings about farmers and “everyday people”
fuck off with this garbage
No.26469
>>26468this is so tasteless it's an act of anti-communism
No.26527
>>26469what's tasteless about it
No.26575
>>26527Not them but it looks like the 'communist' equivalent of American conservative protest paintings. Y'know the ones typically of Mormon or Evangelical origin? Jon McNaughton comes to mind.
No.26577
>>26575>Jon McNaughton comes to mind.Jon McNaughton oddly enough is just Socialist Realism for American Conservatives.
No.26581
>>10605Pictures destroyed your "art" form old man, march you ass to a store and get a camera.
No.26589
>>26427>the titsfucking furries
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