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 No.10732[Last 50 Posts]

ITT we discuss business strategy and help other anons escape wage slavery, build a business that subverts capitalism from within, and become ethical petty booj with a lefty perspective in mind.

This is for serious discussion only, keep focused on the topic and don't derail the thread.

 No.10735

I've spent some time in wantrepreneur circles and have gleaned a few small business options for the solo entrepreneur. Choose your own adventure.

1. Importing

Easy peezy go find some wholesalers or some chinafags, hire a freight forwarder if needed and slang some cheap shit on Amazon/Ebay/your own website.

2. App development

Be a codemonkey and rip some shit off github/ repurpose it and start pitching it to plebs (preferably rightoods)

3. Arbitrage

Dropshipping etc. Simple find low prices sell higher. Arbitrage out as many operations as you can.

4. Real estate

Either rehab to flip or rent and be a shitty landlord. Watch out for your maoist friends.

5. Service business

Have a skill, sell a skill. Like working a job but for yourself, bonus points if you can get an employee from the third world.

6. Hopium seller

Sell your soul and sling some bs information product to fatties.

 No.10736

Also if we were to structure a small business and make it as lefty as legally possible how would you structure it? How would you maintain profitability? Some things:

Big employee stock compensation packages
Heavy investments into a good office environment
Good benefits package, employee development packages.
In office daycare with plenty of remote opportunities, days off
No specialization, crosstraining for employees
Horizontal management structure
No credentialist bullshit hiring practices

 No.10742

Mondragon Corporation.

Based or no?

 No.10752

>>10742

>At Mondragon, there are agreed-upon wage ratios between executive work and field or factory work which earns a minimum wage. These ratios range from 3:1 to 9:1 in different cooperatives and average 5:1. That is, the general manager of an average Mondragon cooperative earns no more than 5 times as much as the theoretical minimum wage paid in their cooperative


Seems based to me, however they should tighten those ratios a bit.

What I was thinking is there should be a graduated pay scale that increases in proportion to the company's net revenue. The biggest thing that fucks workers as the company gets larger is the PMC divide gets bigger.

 No.10754

More I can think of

7. Flipping
Buy electronics or some niche product off Craigslist and flip them for ramen monies. Flip cars, but you're limited in amount per state regulations.

8. Brick and mortar

Take out a loan and buy up a gas station or something. Like giving yourself a job/limited scaling potential.

9. Gig worker

Like a service business but easier to get off the ground and test ideas. Pop an ad on CL and see what small time jobs you can get cash for. Or get a tech app and start driving around people

10. Techbro

Make a startup with a few friends and create a pitch deck. Find some gullible investors and grift them. Make a bunch of 'business expenses' on their dollar and drive the company to the ground.

 No.10755

>>10732
I do consulting for porky, charge $80/hour, give part of that money to local lefty orgs and the rest toward me creating free software part time

 No.10762

>>10755

Based. Is it something you can grow?

I’m a contractor too and got fucked with a lot of taxes this year. After all deductions I had like 20k listed and they still charged 4k for self employment tax. Was thinking about getting more contracts and hiring out someone to do basic tasks, but the skills are kinda specific to the industry

 No.10763

>>10755

Consulting is big bucks, but in my experience lot of specificity to it, I don't think it is easy to recommend to just anyone. Consulting is the kind of thing you get into if you have connections, or if you've found a nice niche. I worked with a guy for a while who had a degree as an economist, but he made insane money for basically doing nothing. He just had a template document and some econometric analysis he plugged data into that clients fed him, and he could pump out a document in a day that he was charging like $15k for or something. And he got many clients in any given month, it was for a business niche that was booming at the time due to a favorable government program. That niche is kind of dead at the moment, but that guy was doubtlessly making at least $500k a year if not more for like, 5-10 years.

 No.10764

>>10763

It’s surprising how many rich boomers don’t have any clue of how basic excel works. This format can work for a lot of businesses really, there are document templates all over the internet you can modify and send as a “package” to some companies.

The newest job in this would probably be “business insights analyst” or something. It just involves knowing some basics about data and plugging their figures into Tableau or some other dashboard.

On a side note, I was wondering is there a way to possibly deduct donating to homeless or leftyorgs as a business expense? Usually the IRS wants to see if the expenses are ‘related’ to the business whatever the hell that means.

 No.10766

>>10764

Man, general tech illiteracy can still be high with a lot of small businesses that have money to pay consultants for certain services. Even with some modestly sized businesses you can find a bewildering lack of knowledge on how to even present some basic financial documents, and of course tons of things like excel spreadsheets with every cell manually calculated and entered.

I couldn't say about deducting donations to leftyorgs though, I'm a wagie. I'd imagine not, just because it has to look like it is even thinly related to your business. I've heard people say they write off all kinds of goofy shit, but I think they're just hoping the IRS doesn't bother them since they're still small fries. It will usually still be something "business related" though. Like putting new tires on their car or something written off as related to their transportation for work.

 No.10768

11. Wage outsourcing

If you’re a desk jockey wagie and aren’t bothered often, hire out a virtual assistant from the third world and have them do half your shit.

>>10766

Yeah probably hoping they don’t get audited. Regarding taxes it’s insane how porkies setup taxes so small businesses eat shit and are disincentivized while the big porkies write off all kinds of shit. Given that IRS admitted it audits poor people more than porkies, the system works exactly as intended.

Other than that all this expense shit just props up capitalism more by forcing consumerism onto people and businesses. Would be nice to find a loophole so my taxes don’t go to bombs being dropped on children abroad

 No.10771

.

 No.10772

i'm currently in school doing a computer science major. what should my next steps be?

 No.10773

>>10772
i don't wanna be a wagie guys. :((((((

 No.10774

>>10772
>>10773

Honestly move to Cali, all the techies there get paid in RSU stocks on top of their cushy 100k salaries and bring home like 300k per year. Those fuckers have driven up the cost of everything on the entire west coast because the porkies just use it as a tax write off. Those kind of figures are more than most bizfags could make so easily.

 No.10778

>>10772
>>10773

Unless you've got a great idea you going to be a wagie my friend. But being a wagie is also part of the path out, if you can ever make it, because through wagie life you can sometimes learn enough to see the path out. You will presumably be in a functioning company, so you learn its processes and the business environment.

But in all likelihood you will remain a wagie because most people are wagies. That is why there are communists. But there isn't a detailed enough template to get you out of it, you can only see the contours of what is required in fill in the blanks. And there is the risk you lose time and money on it, though it should be noted that sometimes attempting to make a business and failing can ironically look good on your C/V, depending on the circumstances I guess. But of course you don't want a business to fail that you sank money into because then you feel like it was all a waste.

 No.10779

>>10778

This. The nonwagie life is just glorified by rightoids, in reality there are a lot of benefits for being a wagie. Being a nonwagie means scrounging together your own monies and putting it into a business that might fail, working long hours and getting nothing in return, having little social life and no coworkers, no consistent wages, hard time paying the bills, get taxed more and have to pay all your own benefits etc. The porkies in all likelihood make it purposely difficult to be anything but a wagie to stomp out the competition and petty boon to secure their monopoly profits.

Being a wagie you can see how big business works and model your own shit after them and make a small biz that they might need. Is it necessary to be a wagie first? No, but it helps in all likelihood.

 No.10780

>>10742

Mondragon is great, but just not a utopian dream. I think everyone knows that now for the most part, but should generally be noted in case anybody is fooled into thinking Mondragon is the best thing there could be. They spread a lot of co-op business practices to other areas of the world. I wish I worked there tbh.

But I also have posted in the past about experimental co-op business structures. I'm extremely interested in trying to expand the worker co-op sector in America, but right now there is a bit of a lull in new strategy on the part of the major associations and shit. People are leaning into federal support and trying to get legislation that gives tax exemptions for owners selling to employees, as well as grants and federal loans. I think this is a bit of an abdication personally. While it isn't unwanted and is still productive, I think there is something to be said for the notion that for worker co-ops to really succeed, they have to be able to expand at least somewhat on their own. There isn't any honor in refusing to lobby for federal and state favoritism, the capitalist sector does it too. But the capitalist sector also just independently produces far more new businesses than the co-op sector.

Everybody recognizes the problem is primarily twofold:

1. lack of education on the co-op business form, and so lack of entrepreneurship where it may otherwise have occurred

2. failure to raise capital because you can't issue real equity in the business, only various limited forms of it.

I think while they are both important, the latter is a much more enduring structural issue that needs to be addressed. Right now I'm looking into the notion of replacing an investment fund that gets equity in its businesses with some kind of capital renting co-op. This has been called the "venture commune" before, and I haven't really seen the concept mentioned or grappled with much elsewhere. Basically instead of having equity, you have a co-op that leases capital to startups, probably with some kind of licensing terms that have requirements of the lessee. The goal of the capital renting "fund" would be to grow the co-ops it rents capital too, but in order to rent more capital to them, in effect growing the size of its investment over time. It effectively has a stake in the business, by directly owning the capital but not the labor or its proceeds (it doesn't own any of the profit). But in order for this to not still be an exploitative relationship, any co-op it is renting capital to has all of its members join the lessor as a members. They effectively lease the capital to themselves, and receive any profits. So the capital renting co-op is more of a vessel that is simply supposed to have a logic embedded in it to increase its capital stock for rental to new co-ops, in effect investing in them. But every co-op that joins is not exploited, they receive those profits back equally.

There are several problems with this model, but unclear to me if they are debilitating or insurmountable because it hasn't ever been tried. One would be that some co-ops will be more capital intensive and therefore be subsidizing co-ops that are more labor intensive. This, because they're paying more in rent to the capital renting co-op, and that rent is then redistributed equally to all members of every co-op it leases too. However, I don't know if this would REALLY be a problem, I think it depends on the scale of the difference. As it is, co-ops already have this problem internally in the sense that some workers are more productive than others, yet every worker's profit is traditionally treated as a function of their working time rather than anything else. So it could be arguable that one worker is more critical in their labor than another, but both receive the same profit share if they work the same hours. Therefore, you might expect some workers to feel a bit cheated in terms of profit share.

And perhaps they do, but it doesn't seem to be a debilitating problem in studies on co-ops, so I'm not sure if the equal profit distributions from the capital rental would cause much of a revolt either. It may be the case, like in general, that most co-op members just feel satisfied to be getting a profit share, to have secure employment and to be included in the co-operative culture.

 No.10781

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 No.10782

>>10778
you don't need any ideas to be a landlord. it seems like the easiest way to get rich

 No.10783

>>10782

Scaling up landlording is not as easy and if you are already rich enough to buy multiple properties or are born rich you probably dont need to worry about business in general. Some smaller landlords buy rundown properties in the midwest or something and make a small rental inco,e off that to start. Buying distressed and foreclosed properties is also common.

You can buy a property and take out a loan on another though, but the bank has debt ratios that they wont let you borrow anymore after a certain point.

 No.10784

>>10782

It has issues, but as always it mostly revolves around having capital. You can make money landlording, even good money, but it will take most people time to grow their portfolio. A big chunk of time, decades. Which is why in general most landlords are small, only one a couple of properties at most, often just rent out a unit in a duplex and live in the other one or something like that. There are a smaller amount of medium to large sized landlords that own many properties, as well as very big properties.

But for the person with low capital the kind of path to getting really big in a quick amount of time is always beating the market, which can be difficult and based in luck or very individualized insight. You basically have to know either what neighborhoods are about to be gentrified before the gentrifiers are rushing in, or you need to have a really well positioned commercial property or piece of otherwise useless land that some developer is eyeballing or some business really desires to move into. But again, all of this is largely based on blind luck, or otherwise very fortuitous moments that find you very well positioned to know something most others don't at the right time.

Of course, this can be very different with the big whales. Property developers with a lot of money that build huge buildings with the boutique and luxury shopping on the ground floor, the restaurants, maybe a gym attatchment, and then all those residential units above, these people basically create the market for themselves. They can choose nearly unilaterally what area is going to get gentrified or developed, because they're the flag that tells everyone to rush in. It is a rigged game in that way, once you have the money you start setting the terms that causes everyone else to know where to go. If you build one of these big fancy new buildings in an area with otherwise modest traffic, there is a good chance that other property developers look at it and start throwing money in that area too. It can still be the case that a big property developer fucks up and plops some brand new expensive building in an area nobody genuinely wants to move, but these guys also usually have the money to do big feasibility studies and events with the city and other businesses and whatnot to turn everything in their favor.

But anyways, all of that just to say that I wouldn't discount how nice landlording can be as a means of getting steady income or retirement money without doing any work, but it takes time to build up and you most likely aren't going to get "rich" in the conventional sense. Maybe very comfortable and somewhat secure, but probably not rolling in it.

 No.10831

>>10755
I think for those who can, this is the way to do it.
Charge as much as you can relative to the client, then use said amount to support others.

 No.10832

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>>10766
>>10764
What are some basic Excel videos/sources you'd recommend?
I am a brainlet, and didn't pay attention in school about how to use MS Office (or rather Office Libre), and even as an adult I just sort of plunk along without actually knowing what I'm doing…

 No.10833

>>10780
solid write up fren

 No.10837

>>10832

I haven’t watched too many videos on youtube so I’ll list out some topics you can look up instead. The way I learned is just by downloading a bunch of different excel files and playing with them. It would also help to learn some really basic programming and data science as a supplement since the longer formulas in excel can get a bit programmerish and the data in the tables needs to be normalized.

The stuff that comes up most often at my work:

Tables
Conditional formatting
Formatting in general and making forms
Page layout view
Index Match formulas or vlookup formulas
Pivottables
Bar charts, line charts
Basic functions and formulas like sum, average, conditionals (if, and , or), nested functions
Name manager
Power pivot /power query
Structured references
Vba and macros (just some basics)

 No.10842

What do you guys think about starting a new venture to take advantage of all these closed businesses?

For example, tourism here has dropped 95% since COVID, tons of businesses are just gone, they won't come back at all. A lot of businesses need 80-100% of 2019 travel numbers to be profitable and maintain their old structure, which won't come back for years. Seems like there's an opportunity to catch the "upswing" as restrictions loosen, people return, etc. I just don't know what to do.

 No.10998

>>10842

Yes I think right now would be a good time to buy some small business if you have the capital to do so as the sellers are desperate to sell. Would need to float it for a while till the upswing and pay the overhead, but I think when I read Felix Dennis’ (maxim billionaire dude) book that was his entire strategy- buy a bunch of businesses on the downswing and sell later after they’re profitable again.

People spend all their savings on homes and shit, this just seems like a better plan. Even marx said the rational capitalist reinvests his savings.

 No.10999

>>10842

You can check flippa, craigslist, bizbuysell to get an idea of prices. Would need a good accountant to make sure they’re not cooking their books beforehand though, but profits shouldn’t matter much if you already know they’re tanking because of Covid.

 No.11001

>>10732
>>10735
>>10736
Either self employed or form a Coop Structure.
http://www.toryburchfoundation.org/resources/starting-a-business/choose-your-business-structure-cooperative-2/

If your self employed and not a coop, when you finally have money coming in form a Limited Liability Corperation to protect personal assets from business assets. So if you get suied it be the company getting sued and not you personally. The moment you hire a worker is when you become petite booj if your going the self employed/LLC route.

 No.11060

Sorry for the late replies, I forgot about this thread

>>10762
>Based. Is it something you can grow?
Clients come to me spontaneously so I must be doing something right. I have some plans to branch out into electronics. Spending part of my earnings on tools in that direction.

>>10763
Yeah having a niche is key. But actually what I've been doing so far is Django stuff, not my particular niche. Slaving is the web mines is likely to be lucrative for a long time, even if it isn't very interesting.

>>10831
Yeah, I try to be as helpful to comrades as I can. It frees up time for reading theory too.

 No.11061

>>11060
>It frees up time for reading theory too.

This is the main reason I want to escape wageslavery, I just want to write theory. I am that just want to grill pic embodied in couch philosopher form

 No.11064

>>10833

Actually on recent reflection I understood something very simple that previously I was totally neglecting in other writing on that model. So another downside to the model that I was aware of but was thinking about the ramifications of was that if the coop capital fund gets to a big enough size it could have such a diverse portfolio that the average return on the capital is similar to the whole market, and so adding any other coops doesn’t really give the members more money. More members join with each coop, and if the coops are all various in their capital intensity then you probably won’t see your profit share rise anymore even as more coops come in. I figured this may just be irrelevant as well, because that is effectively the case for a lot of coops which still will grow out of the necessity of competition. Even if the members aren’t making significantly more profits due to new members being given ownership as they enter the coop, the desire to have more cash for the security of the coop itself is another driver of growth.

And while I figured the same dynamic might apply to the coop capital fund, it occurred to me to take more seriously the notion that the coop capital fund’s profits can be used for social goods accessible only to coop members. Like schools, health clinics, gyms etc. as some examples. This could have several benefits, such as generating some publicity for the model and driving more interest in worker coops on the part of people who may want to join for the benefits, and being potentially an efficient way to both use the money and keep it within the coop ecosystem. Downside is a lot of facilities like the ones mentions above would assume the coop members are all very localized to certain places. It may also be the case they’d prefer to just have the money. But I was just contemplating it because I think it would almost be like endogenously building dual power within a tight knit coop ecosystem. It would make more people dependent on the coop fund, but also experience it as a kind of self-directed community project. In a sense it could be an avenue to give autonomy and political experience to members who participate in votes on how to allocate some of the surpluses to new community benefits, and as mentioned before could generally help in building a more closed economy. Contract work could be given to a member coop, for instance.

This kind of resembles how Mondragon has tons of subsidiaries that actually serve Mondragons members, but hopefully the slightly more decentralized angle allows for the coop fund itself to continue focusing on expansion and not necessarily having to worry about the details of how all of its members operate.

 No.11155

Nice lists, but what if I'm a poor third worlder who has no resources to invest? Am I unironically doomed to eternal torture in this inescapable hellhole?

 No.11232

>>11155

Do you speak any other languages? If you are good you can sign up to italki and teach. Howeber if you are good at english (and you sound like you are, but if you're not perfect it as it is super useful) you could also try upwork though youd need time to build a profile doing some small jobs. Once you get good at middlemanning some white collar tasks you can charge more, force your clientele to liason with you directly through your own business etc.

Ultimately you do not want to hand over control to another platform or booj website. Always wrench control away for yourself.

 No.11244

>>10837
niceu

 No.11245

>>10998
>Even marx said the rational capitalist reinvests his savings.
I gotta say, there are some real good bidness knowledge nugget from Marx and the gang.

 No.11249

>>11060
Interesting. I've been doing basically this. Although I still haven't quite gotten front end.
My biggest issue is charging clients. Nobody seems to want to fork over the cash and they'd rather pay others peanuts for shoddy work :/

 No.11263

>>11249
>they'd rather pay others peanuts for shoddy work :/

Good. Then offer them a "repair" service where you charge $ x % more to fix the shoddy work per shoddy thing and the degree of shoddy.

When they balk at that price, offer them your original offer.

 No.11491

>>10735
> Watch out for your maoist friends lmao
For real fuck all landlords tho

 No.11492

As an American, what are the best financial steps to do right now in view of the incoming economic depression? Buy gold?

 No.11511

Not everyone can pull this off, depending on time, but online tutoring and just private education in general is quickly becoming a huge market. I've been doing this since I was 18 and slowly built up a client base with good customer service and cut-throat, low rates. Get a couple kids into Ivy League schools and your profile expands several-fold overnight. Now at 25, I mainly do education consulting, match independent tutors with clients for a flat finder's fee, and hire young undergrads to do under-the-table, untaxed wage labour for me. I lie and say it was all volunteer work, which gives them the massive boost they need for college applications anyway.

 No.11512

>>11511 (me)
would like to add that my overhead costs are nothing, as I work out of my own home and do almost everything online. I wake up whenever I want and go to sleep at 4am after browsing leftypol for a few hours. Seriously, if you have the brains to get an undergrad degree and don't mind grinding for a bit to get clients, this is a comfy path for STEMlords and people with worthwhile humanities degrees like english lit and history.

 No.11513

>>11511
so many of my friends got into whatever schools by paying people to write their essays, its a pretty cringe market considering how easy anything short of Harvard/MIT is to get into if you aren't a smoothbrain

 No.11514

>>11513
indeed. canadian medical schools and now even law schools are starting to scrutinize all ivy league applicants for this reason. we all know how bad the grade-padding is north of the border, as we get a crap ton of post-grads looking for a higher degree and employment.
that said, there is a clear line between the legitimate companies like mine and the thinly veiled professional cheaters. all of my students were exceptional because I made them that way - no flex

 No.11516

>>11511

Thats evergreen niche, heard education is good during economic downturns. Broking is a legit model, how come you haven't gone the full headhunter route? I knew somebody who made a lot just being a recruiter for tech companies. The hard part would probably be convincing them you're taking a chunk of their salary for it

 No.11583

>>11516
Education is flooded.
Then again, make a niche for yourself.

 No.11631

Bros, I have a problem with being lazy as fuck. I can't even stand working my remote job. I make decent money, set my own hours, barely do like 40 hrs of work per month, renting a house and can pay bills, got some spending money.

But I still don't feel like working at all on anything other than writing theory and my hobbies. I want to start a new business, but I really don't want to put in the work to get it up and running anymore. Am I just being a privileged baby or what? Why don't I ever have any motivation? I hate having to spend hours of my life on something I'm not passionate about just to make a "living."

 No.11634

>>11631
Start a coop and get someone else to run it so you can focus on doing what you like.

Try to turn your hobbies into a job, but as you said you don't want to "work" which wouldn't be a problem under communism because your hobbies are in fact contributions that others can enjoy.

But we ain't there yet. So. Automate what you can, contract out and offshore what you can, get someone else on board and compensate them well, or yeah just suck it up.

 No.11638

>>11631
What do you work as? I wish I could get a comfy remote job that paid decent. Any ideas?

 No.11665

>>11634

How does one start the legal structure of a coop? I tried monetizing hobbies once, but I stopped because they kinda kill the passion for it and teaching etc is not the same as practicing. Fucking capitalism is so inescapable it makes my spirit full doomer.

I dont think I get along well working with others, i dont know if its the company im at but wagies get all political and stupid about their jobs.

>>11638
I didnt apply for remote, i worked in a factory with boomers, made a niche for myself as the technical data guy then told my boss im leaving 'for a few months' and gave him the option to keep me as remote. Made a coworker be the guy to interface between the boomers and never returned. The factory was soulcrushing i couldnt take that shit.

Though u could check out remote.co and weworkremotely

 No.11737

>>11665
>The factory was soulcrushing i couldnt take that shit.
How so?

 No.12743

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 No.12762

>>11155
gang shit fam, get some bros, steal a truck, ram into a shop and take anything expensive

 No.13683

Bump because this is good

 No.13760

Saw someone mention the "venture commune" idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-cViPD1-Jo
http://telekommunisten.net/the-telekommunist-manifesto/
Here's the rundown.

 No.13761

>>12762
Apple stores (used to be or still are?) particularly prone to this due to their open glass aesthetic and status icon overpricing.

 No.13767

>>13761
Why do I find these pictures so particularly hiarious?

 No.13772

>>13767
Maybe because it's the perfectly logical consequence of some completely ridiculous conditions, idk

 No.13774

>>13760
that's pretty cool. thanks for that

 No.13877

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Please fucking help

I recently was promoted to manager at my workplace, it's a pragmatic decision (pay, bennies, etc.) and I fully intend to crypto unionise as many of the staff as possible, start "delegating" (actually worker control/self managment), as well as ideally using my increased salary to support said staff at work (upgrades fucking accounting won't let in).

But I feel fucking shit. Like I am now the thing I'm trying to fight, like an imposter.

I'm trying to be consistent, but shit man I need that company medical care plan for my partner ;_:

 No.13878

>>13877
Don't think of yourself like that, think of yourself like a mole, a double agent

 No.13886

>>13878
>think of yourself like a mole, a double agent
Agent Salt reportan in ;_;7

 No.14164

>>13877
My dude, this is the best thing you could possibly do given such an opportunity. Absolutely based.

 No.14165

Can you have two PayPal accounts? I want to take art commissions but I don't want to mix my safe content with my porn stuff. I don't want anyone to get hold of my personal information such as my address or first name when they pay me.

 No.14168

>>13877
>>13878
>>14164
Middle managers are trash. Read Mark Fisher's Capitalist Realism. The people who are against the system, yet work for it, are usually the ones who are promoted, they show they can think for themselves, but not enough to actually not work there. If you were a danger to the company, and by extension to capitalism, you'd be fired, not promoted. Just like Amazon fired the guy who talked to his co-workers about unions. But now they've turned you into an asset.

Remember Joker in Full Metal Jacket? The drafted college kid who didn't give a shit about the army. What happens to him? The drill sergeant PROMOTES him, because being a lowly grunt was just not mentally stimulating enough and it was a way to subdue his anti-establishment tendencies, by making him part of the establishment some more, not less.

You, as a middle manager, have no choice. You have to follow the orders you're given. What happens when you're asked to fire an employee (prole)? How will you justify that? How will you look a prole in the eye and deny them a raise when you know that money is theirs in the first place and no matter what raise they get still wouldn't amount to their full value of labour put in.

You are not an impostor, because you aren't "trying to fight" anything. You're a middle manager who shitposts on a leftist book binding forum. What danger do you pose?

 No.14169

>>14165
Yes, you can have a personal and a business paypal account. What kind of art commissions do you do? I've been looking for a leftist artist to do some graphics and drawings for my local activist group.

 No.14177

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>>14169
Well have I got the artist for you!
OUR VERY OWN DRAWANON KOBA!
https://twitter.com/hardk0ba
>currently doing lewds because it's more consistent

 No.14184

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>>14177
the artist is good, but I was looking someone who does more "dark" than cute. graphics need to be gritty, not polished characters with soft, round faces. I looked through some of the stuff, and there's a lack of anger on any of them. as I said, you can see the artist is very good at what they do, just not what I'm looking for.

pic related is the kind of style I'm looking for. doesn't have to be as detailed, or necessarily skeletons, but similar tone.

 No.14185

>>14184
He usually has angrier stuff, but I think he realised it turns clients off and, well, artists got to eat :\

He use to have a really badass "socialism or extinction" version with like a red planet with a skull on the other side

 No.14199

>>14185
>He use to have a really badass "socialism or extinction" version with like a red planet with a skull on the other side
You mean he drew that planet/skull movie poster?

 No.14203

>>14185
oh ok. I'll contact them, say what I'm looking for and they can tell me. Thanks.

 No.14204

>>14199
yeah that poster is sick

 No.14221

If you’re a gamer and a college student and living in a dorm so that you’re not paying the electric bill, run cudo miner 24/7 and you should make about 100$ a month.

 No.14239

>>14221
Will this kill my CPU or GPU fast? I'm poor and wouldn't like that.

 No.14258

>>14239
honestly? don’t know

 No.14267

>>14258
/hobby/ doing Business in a nutshell

 No.14271

>>14239
Mining will kill your GPU, yes, because it is running at 100% 24/7. Mining cards last about a year, depending on whether you overclock them or not. Also, you'd need a good card to make $100 mining, like an RX 570 or above. So yeah, in about 3 months you'd pay off the card, make another $900-1000 before it dies. Take $300, buy new card, repeat, and you've made about $700/yr. But you've also spent time on setting it all up, running it, maintenance, etc. So you have to calculate whether $700/yr. is worth it for all the work you'd be putting it. It's not for nothing that miners fill whole rooms with cards to get a decent return.

You're better off just selling weed to friends. Buy a half pound for $600, that's 8 ounces. Sell 7 ounces for $110-120 each, leave one for yourself to smoke and you're making $700-840 on each $600 investment, plus you smoke for free, plus people will think you're cool. Just sell to friends and their acquaintances, never to strangers, don't advertise on the street and don't carry any significant weight with you except when picking up. Don't do deals in front of your door, have the person come in, or better yet, you go to them. Always weigh out like 0.2-0.3 more on the scale and you will get return customers. All you need is like 10-12 regulars and you can make $200-300/mo. I mean, sky's the limit with drugs, but it's all an ambition/risk trade off and you probably don't want to have more than half a pound at a time. If you don't have plastic baggies, it's hard to nail you for selling, even if you have a scale, so if you're caught you claim it's all for personal use, you wanted a deal on the amount cause weed is expensive, etc. Give people weed in like ripped pieces of supermarket bags, or small jars, or something else, as long as it is not those drug bags, and you're good.

 No.14277

>>14271
>Give people weed in like ripped pieces of supermarket bags, or small jars, or something else, as long as it is not those drug bags, and you're good.
just keep the baggies separate, like in a different room, No one likes getting weed in pieces of foil or bags lol.

 No.14504

I work as a programmer and created some software, in a year, that pulls in 6 figures of revenue monthly. There are other labor expenses, marketing/sales, but I'm the only one who built the actual commodity that's being sold and marketed.

Pains me that I'm not creative or smart enough to make something without being told what to do.

 No.14531

>>14504
If you can't create, copy and optimise.

Then release it for free and open source, but ask perhaps for some donations for your time spent tending to it and running costs.

Make a cool program that compares what someone is told is a good deal (say $15 and hour), versus what it could be under a left economic view.

 No.14532

>>14504
Create some easy consumer grade program that helps people automate their day-to-day computer tasks, etc.

 No.14537

>>10742
its a coop, so its great if you're part of it. Sadly, its against the interests of it's members to bring more people in, and in their interests to use subcontracting as much as possible.

 No.14563

>>14537
All the episodes end with a "yeah it's shit, but we can make it better by trying!" theme

But the episode about work ended the bleakest.
Not even they could pretend contradiction between the classes didn't exist.

 No.14612

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I JUST WANT TO CREATE A BUSINESS THAT ALLOWS ME TO SUPPORT MYSELF AND FUTURE PARTNER AND FOUR CHILDREN WHILE NOT EXPLOITING PEOPLE AND IN FACT WORKING WITH THEM TO ALSO MAKE A BUSINESS WE ALL RUN THAT MEANS THEY CAN SUPPORT THEMSELVES, FAMILIES, AND COMMUNITY TOO AAAAAA

 No.14614

>>14612
Start a coop?

 No.15101

Someone told me to sell NFTs because I draw. I was naturally opposed to the concept until this suggestion. Thoughts?

 No.15107

>>15101
Fuck it, we don't live in a vacuum. And bedsides, when full socialism is achieved it won't matter anyway.

 No.15108

>>15101
Besides ecological effects, you're unlikely to make any money, more likely to lose money on all the processing fees, if you don't have any significant hype behind you. Most artists who profited were either established industry professionals, over 50k followers twitter artists or insider traders like beeple. Then there's myriads of losers who shelled out gas fees and got suckered never selling anything. Guess who you'd be. Besides, the bubble already burst. https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/sorry-to-burst-your-bubble-nft-prices-slump-70

 No.15318

>>10763
>tfw went to school for philosophy instead of economics

kill me.

 No.15324

>>15318
>tfw dropped out of sci major because i mistook enjoying history blurbs in science textbooks as liking science
double kill me

 No.15325

How much fiat do I need in my 401k to retire in Mexico? I've been thinking 1-2 mil should be fine.accelerationAcceleration

 No.15327

>>15325
bout tree-fiddy

 No.15328

>>15325
Depends how you want to live, if you wants kids, and more. 1.5 MM should be enough for most lifestyles.
Shit like healthcare is cheaper, but public schools are utter trash. Public universities vary, but you probably want a private one. Housing can go anywhere from 300 to 3,000 usd a month depending on the area you want to live in, city, etc. More than 3k usd is too much IMO.
Depending on the city, you'll need a car too.

Idk, ask me anything if you want. I'll respond tomorrow.

 No.15334

>>15328
Are ladies in Mexico hot?

 No.15358

man somedays i just feel like being kramer and trying to open a new business everyday

but then again i got no capital to fuck around with

i have thought about making street food and selling that because if i do it alone, i would not be exploiting anyone much really

start small with a little bit of food and then slowly invest up into the products
this is assuming no gangs exist to bully you out of money

 No.15359


 No.15363

>>10732
Bros n hoes I need help. I put some chump change in ether around when btc hit $32k. I figured it would just be ethers time and now ethers worth $3300. I want to put more money in but I don't know how much. Can anyone explain to me how to calculate how much I would earn on a specific amount should ether arise to another specific amount? Need some tips here.

 No.15364

>>15334
In general, nothing special. If you're in big cities and especially the wealthier parts, you'll find more hot people because of the effect money has on attractiveness. Mexico City has a huge "upper middle class", so I'd say that is your best bet.
>>15363
If you separate your investments you can easily calculate it.

 No.15366

>>15364
>If you separate your investments
Too much work, but thanks.

 No.15367

>>15366
I put 10 dollars at x price
and 20 dollars at y price.
It is now at z price.

(10 * z/x + 20 * z/y) / (10 + 20)

I think that solves it.

 No.15436

>>15358
Just do drop shitting
>pay others to post their poop

 No.15442

>>15436
what the heck is that

 No.15572

What did Marx say about stocks?

Afaik he was pretty good at picking and choosing them.

 No.17071

I'm currently synthesising "Finding a home for products we love" by Aaron Brough and Matthew Isaac and their main point is

Don't be attached to used goods if you want to sell them for a profit. Make the buyer attached by letting them touch, look and fantasize owning it.chinaChina

 No.17072

>>17071
That's… That's just basic sales isn't it?

 No.17097

>>17072
One of their other insights was that knowing or caring about what the used good would be used for can weaken your negotiation resolve and make you a loss. The red point was just a summary.chinaChina

 No.17494

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 No.17495

>>15572
Something about mushrooms after rain and it being easy pickings wannit

 No.17496

>>17494
Is it a public company?

 No.17501


 No.17541

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I want to start a private security/military/intelligence company, give jobs to comrades and once things get down they'll be ready for a revolution.
The issue is that this is a big investment and I have no money.

 No.17546

>>17495
>wannit
ye

 No.17648

>>17541

This seems good, like a disguised militia. You can start with some comrades and contract out mallcop work. Beat any fash shoppers and confiscate their american eagle shopping bags and distribute to natives

 No.17877

How do you fags cope with wagecuckery if/when you know exactly the monetary amount you’re being exploited? I see my company’s financials and they are minting millions and paying me shit. Really dont feel like working for the pittance, but then I’d be poor

 No.17878

>>17877
Literally just keep going until you can gtfo or ruthlessly leverage any advantage you can get

 No.18263

I AM ABOUT TO YOLO MY ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS

guys pray for me. I am down 15,000$ of my life savings and by next week I am doing the riskiest shit of my life to try and get it back from wall st pigs. How you ask? By putting the rest of my mother fucking 15k life savings into it.

My play is to wait a day before earnings and hope to god the stock tanks like a bitch over two days. I am doing all options plays so if this shit goes wrong i will lose it all like I did the 15 grand. I havent slept in days, i am prepping for this like war. If i breakeven i am quitting this shit for good. And yeah i know its classic gambler shit to chase losses, but Im 80% sure i will get it right.

If any of you know the stock market well i can lay out my plan and yall can critique it, or join in if you are ready to go balls to the wall

 No.18264

>>18263
>I lost half my life savings
>I haven't slept in days
>I'm gambling with the other half of my life saving.
Yup you're going to loose the rest of it too
>If i breakeven i am quitting this shit for good.
That shit is designed to steal money from you, unless you hire fancy financial services that know where all the sucker traps are.
Stop now while you still have the one half left.

 No.18265

I’m thinking I should right wing grift. I’ve been thinking about it for a while now, it’s extremely profitable and I know the talking points.

 No.18268

>>18265
what are you thinking of doing

 No.18269

>>18263
>My play is to wait a day before earnings and hope to god the stock tanks like a bitch over two days
This sounds mental lol. Stocks go up more than they go down. Why not just do it with a business you think will do well rather than being like FUK DA GABIDALISDS :DDD *loses all their money*

 No.18270

>>18265
>I’m thinking I should right wing grift. I’ve been thinking about it for a while now, it’s extremely profitable and I know the talking points.
If you do that pay your self a fixed wage, and if you make more money than it takes to pay your wage, use that money to pay for mutual aid and socialist propaganda. That way you'll be able to live with yourself.

 No.18271

dis thread though

 No.18364

>>18264
>That shit is designed to steal money from you, unless you hire fancy financial services that know where all the sucker traps are.
Stop now while you still have the one half left.

Well im going to play it a bit safe until I have confirmation its going to tank. But I think i have the hedge fund plans figured out, this past week theyve pumped tech stocks beyond all time highs setting them up for a big dump when their earnings disappoint. Im planning on riding it on the way down. However just in case I will not buy in until I see strong sings of a dump. But you can look at amazons history and all it usjally dumps after earnings, all the companies are overvalued as fuck right now because people have just been spending all their money printer dollars on stocks. I think it will dip hard next week. Plus the fed meeting is next wednesday and if they announce a taper it will dip harder.

>>18269

I know but capitalist money is just a bunch of numbers and hopefully ill be up again. Will keep everyone posted.

My plan is to do a stra gle before earnings (buy a call and a put) wait for earnings and if i see a dump i sell the call immediately and ride the put all the way down to 10-20k plus. I will watch the charts like a hawk and if i see a trend reversal I'll sell the put right away and switch to a call.

If Im right and its going to dump its possible i may get out alive. I wouldnt have even gotten into stocks if it wasnt for that bullshit GME thread a while ago here, ive been trying to recoup ever since then lol

 No.18365

>>18364
>I think i have the hedge fund plans figured out
>ive been trying to recoup ever since then lol
If you had figured it out you wouldn't be recoooping

 No.18381

>>18268
Maybe grifting on YouTube by duping right wingers and making money off of them and posting right wing memes. The freedom phone shit seems like a really profitable grift and I wish I was invested in that shit cuz the commissions would have been crazy.

 No.18611

>>14168
Mate you are missing the whole point, the problem is the whole system of capitalism not individual middle managers. If anon actually does the stuff he was saying he would like furtively unionizing the workplace and shit without getting fired then that is excellent, that is praxis. Is it better for the workers to have a reasonable commie middle manager rather than an asbolute psycho abusive one that is fully accepting of capitalist ideology? YES ABSOLUTELY. You need to see the bigger picture here. Hell there was a fucking millionaire communist that supported the KPD, or consider Karl Marx and Frederic Engels, Vladimir Lenin, so many rich people, even porkies throughout history have been communists or fellow travelers, even if the vast majority were completely the other way. Are the uper strata of capitalist society worthy of particular suspicion? Yes. Is it better for anon, a communist to be a manager rather than a worker? Yes absolutely. What the hell are you doing yourself? Communists should be reaching the highest positions in society possible while maintaining their loyalty to Communism.

 No.18612

Who here has experience with dropshipping? I want to hear what you've learned

 No.18613

>>18381
probably works well since they are both stupid and tend to be high earners

 No.18617

>>18612
It's a hard hustle. There are many ways to do it. The US market is highly saturated. Other markets aren't as much. You can also do shit like arbitrage, where you sell shit on ebay and just buy it on amazon to your buyer's home.

Beware of people selling you shit related to dropshipping. It is mostly all scam.

It takes a while to understand what the fuck you are doing and not fuck it up. You should expect to lose some money right out the door.

 No.18662

If I just made $100k doing business, does that mean I'm porky now?

really trying to square away that's it's okay to make money for revolutionary groups…

 No.18681

>>18662
>If I just made $100k doing business, does that mean I'm porky now?
Yes. We're not liberals here, we are critical of the capitalist system, not necessarily individual capitalists. Most capitalists are trash, but we like some, such as Engels.

If you have a successful business, could you turn it into a cooperative?

 No.19637

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Are there any books about this?
I mean entrepreneurship and business stuff but from marxist standpoint
And if they're not then what does /leftybiz/ recommends me to read?

 No.19638

>>14177
>hardk0ba
no /get/ is gay

>>19637
second

 No.19663

>>19638
>hardk0ba
>/get/
fuck off newfag

 No.19664

>>19663
No, he still gay

 No.20302

so now that the earnings have been leaked, has anyone tried getting into twitch/youtube or content creation and streaming in general?

 No.20308

>>20302
not me

 No.20309

>>20302
That shit is really soul draining

 No.20329

>>19638
koba is based, anhero dramafag

 No.20330

>>20329
This.

 No.20331

Experienced bizers please give me your tips and experience. I'm interested in trying out some biz ideas I have floating around. Money has always stuck to me and I love experimenting and seeing what works. I am thinking of trying out some ideas with low capital once I save up a bit, something like dropshipping. Basically I want to try out a bunch of schemes with little to no investment and see what's making money. Thoughts?

 No.20332

>>20331
on what? you said nothing

 No.20334

>>20309
what isn't though?

 No.20337

>>20334
Nothing is easy but being an influencer is extra hard and soul shattering. You can work hard and not have to humiliate yourself regularly for money.

 No.20338

>>20337
you don't necessarily need to humiliate yourself tho

 No.20339

>>20302
A few people from here have dabbled in it. Koba is still doing art streams I think. But the main monetization model is pretty bad because of how it incentivizes ADHD zoomer consumption habits. I would recommend using something extrenal to the platform if you wanted to monetize, like Patreon.

 No.20398

My father keeps bugging me to play those fucking crypto/NFT games (Axie Infinity, etc.) instead of the games I want to play.
But I don't want to do that, should I really do it or are those crypto games bullshit? If so, why?

 No.20402

>>20398
I HATE PLAYER ENGAGEMENT I HATE PLAYER ENGAGEMENT

 No.20403

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>>20402
I don't get it, sorry

 No.20414

>>20403
they're gay as fuck games made with the express purpose of keeping you playing everyday like a goddamn mmo (what they call engaging the players with rewards) by making you feel like your personal token is gonna grow in value when you sell it back to a new player,and you have to pay first before starting
an absolute joke.

 No.20417

>>20414
>they're gay as fuck games made with the express purpose of keeping you playing everyday like a goddamn mmo (what they call engaging the players with rewards)
Sounds like my father clicking on stupid ads all day to earn a tiny fraction of 1 bitcoin every day
>making you feel like your personal token is gonna grow in value when you sell it back to a new player,
oh, I see
>and you have to pay first before starting
lol, how much exactly? I know someone who's new to crypto and playing Axie Infinity, and this person is practically rich by wagie standards so maybe they didn't care that they had to pay.

 No.20678

>>14612
Exploitation is necessary for capital accumulation. You need to work within that logic if you want to make money from a business. Eventually you can abolish the whole system when capitalism is overthrown. Of course you can still be more self aware and less abusive than the average small business tyrant. That's my own position anyways.

 No.20709

>>17877
wait till your coworkers complain about something - anything - and then point this fact out to them casually

 No.21013

>>20678
>That's my own position anyways.
It's a good one that doesn't scare your average Lib, so probably good for getting them talking.

 No.21057

Embedding error.
These old cute cartoons about capitalism and it functions crack me up, it's a literal example of "On paper X, Y and Z is done and A, B and C happens" But the reality is much different.

 No.21064

Should I get into crypto?

 No.21065

>>21064
No. Yes anon, buy the dip with us and become a fellow biz chad

 No.21066

>>21065
My friend got a more than decent earning from it, but he was arguably lucky. I don't know. I just want some money to afford dates, trips and other material desires. I'm not looking for a wage alternative.

 No.21067

>>21066
It unironically triggers me to hear about crypto because I basically lost billions of (admittedly not very liquid) dollars. I am lowkey overcome with homocidal fantasy everytime some n*rd brags about making 5k off of it.

 No.21068

>>21066
Anyways disregard that. I would recommend mining or gaining altcoin through means other than purchasing, in order to avoid conversion fees that will lower your chance to break even on a risky investment. I would say just buy a little bit of everything and see what works, keep your initial investment very low and cash out part of it if you make a profit.

 No.21071

>>21064
Invest in something more tangible, a local business or even stocks. The problem with crypto is that is pure ideology.

 No.21080

>>21071
Exactly. I suggest Ligma.

 No.21081

>>21080
nice, i just invested in boffacoin myself

 No.21115

>>21057
I've been looking for the source of these for years. I think its the same one used in Kapitalism 101 videos, which appear to be deleted from Youtube. Does anyone know the name of the program?

 No.21133

>>21081
What's boffacoin?

 No.21134

>>21057
Where's the communist riff on these?

 No.21136

Embedding error.
>>21134
>the communist riff
It's a cartoon about an idealized version of capitalism, investment and the like, it's not communist, it's just related to the thread.

>>21115
Here's some others; I think it's a series of pro-capitalist cartoons from the late-40s or mid-50s on the same line as Make Mine Freedom by Utherland productions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_Mine_Freedom
https://archive.ph/TLeJ9
https://archive.ph/qyIqJ
It's Everybody's Business (1954) is similar but not it either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHDyE954l4U&ab_channel=OldTVTime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkDUgeIOkLY&ab_channel=TheBestFilmArchives How Stock Market Works | Investing Basics | Animated Short Film | 1957

 No.21137

Embedding error.

 No.21439

File: 1637691151221.gif (2.34 MB, 426x240, wheresmymoney.gif)

>when the client has taken nearly a month to pay my invoice

 No.22118

How do I deduct taxes so I don't have to pay a dime to the shitty US state???

 No.22119

>>21133
boffa deez nuts

 No.22150

Landlording is the easiest side hustle. Borrow as much as you can, buy houses and let the rentoids pay off your mortgages. It takes no time and it's possible to retire early on rent income.

 No.22153

import is the only smart once since you can just put up cash and make a quick return without destroying your soul hopefully
landlording is too too porky and chump change most of the time anyways, it’s more than just revenue involved

 No.22157

>>21439
It do be like that
I just want to help fund my local group, but this boomer cunt keeps dogging me >:(

 No.22176

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>>10732
Start a cooperative or you're getting the fucking wall when the time comes.

 No.22179

This is unironically what I'm doing. But for Airbnb. It's surprisingly easy to get large loans.

 No.22187

>>22150
>>22179
If you can't get a loan, another way to make money in real estate is subleasing to Airbnb. I know a guy that does this. He rents about 10 apartments downtown and puts them on Airbnb. It's apparently easy to find landlords that are ok with this.

I don't see why you couldn't have 100+ apartments if you outsource the cleaning.

 No.22191

>>22187
wtf based. how 2 landchad?

 No.22197

>>22187
>Renting other people's property to other people.
This is video game exploit tier of a life hack.

 No.22198

>>22197
Right? Scamchads stay winning

 No.22199

>>22187
damn, this is brilliant

 No.22353

What are the crypto scams these days? I can't stand working, it makes me want to kill myself. If I can get 50k I would be set for life.

 No.22354

>>22353
If you know how to code write your own coin, make an ICO and then run away with the money.

 No.22410

>>22179
Do you actually make more money from Airbnb than renting it out? Including the time to clean the Airbnb?

 No.22450

>>22187
Isn't this eerily similar to the housing market practice that led to the 2008 crisis?

 No.22570

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should I just take as money as I can from the capitalist game and send it your way?

 No.22584

I work 12 hours every single day in a factory. i only am off on sundays. i have a million chores to do today because i wont have time during the week. I need to go.

 No.22621

>>22584
sounds fucked

 No.22637


 No.22683

I'd like to start a co-op that manufactures synths with OPM chips and stuff.

 No.22686

>>22683
that's a very odd company

guitar instruments and anime themed chips? but okay

 No.22691

>>22686
like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektron_(company)
synths and samplers with tons of cool effects to musically warp sound in as many ways as you please

 No.22692

>>22691
I feel like manufacturing synths is extremely precarious in a typical proprietary business model. Designing and building them is just extremely fucking thankless work, both to bourgeois and to consumers even. A co-op model could better compensate and insure everyone involved.

 No.22705

>>22683
>>22692
Why manufacture anything at all? Just use a FOSS DAW.

 No.22707

>>22705
live, hands-on instrumentation
also there's no good FOSS DAW, but that's another thing

 No.23196

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what do you guys think of buying precious metals? I've been converting crypto gains lately

 No.23201

>>23196
It doesn't make more money though. You're also not going to lose all your money, like other business ideas.

 No.23202

>>23196
It's a good store of value and if you're dodging taxes, then even more based.

 No.23205

>>23201
>It doesn't make more money though
the silver:gold ratio is way off what the crustal ratio is. like 80:1 compared to 17:1. there's some debate why exactly this is, the most convincing reason to me being that silver is heavily shorted. I expect the price ratio to go back to what we'd expect LTV wise. this means one of four things:
1) the price of silver goes up while gold stays constant
2) the price of silver stays constant while the price of gold falls
3) both prices decrease
4) both prices increase
only 3 is a worry to me and seems unlikely. plus from my point of view this is basically free gold and silver
>>23202
I could use it to dodge taxes, but it's more that cashing in crypto has gotten a lot harder here because of AML crap. like how do I prove that coins I bought with cash from some random guy at a hacker event years ago are actually that and not drug profits? especially since these coins have since then been mixed

 No.23211

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Okay legit though

If I do start making money as a booj, how do I deal with the dissonance?

 No.23213

>>23211
donate money to commies. that's what I do whenever I manage to realize crypto gainz

 No.23218

>>23213
based

 No.23220

>>23213
how do you make crypto gains??? teach me

 No.23223

>>23211
Either go full class traitor or the Warren Buffet pill: You're a class conscious individual who merely follow his class interests.

 No.23225

>>23220
mine back in 2010 then forget about your coins for ten years

 No.23231

>>23220
buy them during a dip, price is low rn because of Ukraine, wait for a few months, price will rise in the summer.
I like to fancy im a day trader, whether ive actually made more money trading than just sitting on it is questionable.

 No.23233

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>>23225
>tfw dad really has 3 bitcoins that he mined in 2011 by leaving his computer on overnight but doesn't have the password to the wallet anymore

 No.23234

>>23233
hashcat can probably fix that, especially if he remembers part of the password

 No.23236

>>23234
>>23233
Just spoke with my dad and he says the problem is that the HD that stored the bitcoin got damaged, something with the read head. Getting the bitcoincs back will probably cost as much as the bitcoins.

 No.23243

>>23236
oof
you could maybe try and get an identical drive, open them up and swap the platters. build a little clean room for the operation

 No.23255

>>23243
HDs have to be open is laboratories with special atmospheres.

 No.23257

>>23255
sure in theory, but worth a try

also 3 bitcoins is $120k so it's surely worth trying to get the drive fixed

 No.23259

>>18364
what happened?

 No.23260

>>23213
> crypto collective
teach fellow commies how to make crypto grainz so we can all donate to fellow commie bros

 No.23310

Is now the time to buy Russian stocks? Lukoil is trading at a P/E of 1.

 No.23312


 No.23321

I hate the dumbass “marx was no money” shit. No, he specifically said the higher phase of communism that fit the definition would only come from post scarcity. That’s why Soviet propaganda was so full of space propaganda, we would kinda have to go to space for it.

 No.23322

>>23321
>I hate the dumbass “marx was no money” shit. No, he specifically said the higher phase of communism that fit the definition would only come from post scarcity
Elaborate, so marx was a monetarist or something?

 No.23323

>>23310
No. Don't be a retard and don't listen to him >>23312
Russian ADRs are worthless now

 No.23327

>>23310
No. Don't be a retard and don't listen to them >>23323
Russian ADRs are worthlots soon

 No.23328

>>23322
i think they're trying to justify the USSR's imperialism

 No.23329


 No.23330

>>23255
>>23257
come to think of it, hire a pro to do it. you should be more than able to make the money back

 No.23331

>>23323
What about ones listed on the Shanghai exchange?

 No.23334

>>23331
What exactly stock on Shanghai? If you pick stock, you have to pick based on company's fundamentals and the Russian economy is going to face tough future, it's impossible to predict what it will look like a year later. I can guarantee only one thing: the Russian economy will get fucked really hard. Currently the Russian Central Bank FORBADE non-residents to sell Russian stocks to prevent capital flgiht, thus there's a very big non-resident bubble in the MOEX stock market, the ADRs are currently worthless now because there's a big possibility that you won't get shit and Russia will just show middle finger to all foreign investors. Lots of foreign companies decided to exit the Russian market but the Russians didn't like it and forbade to sell their shares. Look up paladium, aluminium, gas companies and all the commodities impacted by closing of the Russian market.. Personally I am invested in ZIM and I advised people earlier to long the stock for several months ahead, I intend to sell 4-6 months later.

 No.23338

>>23331
>>23334
Lukoil ADRs are listed on the Shanghai Stock Exchange. This might be a way to buy the stock.

 No.23521

Alright that's it! I'm sick of being dirt poor! How can I make decent or a shit ton of money from being a socialist while also doing something beneficial for world socialism? There's gotta be away. One of you here has to know something.

 No.23543

>>23521
Suck 10 million dicks for $1 a piece

 No.23606

what digital payment app should i use?

i'm on android so google play or should i use my country's popular app?

the recent stuff about SWIFT being banned got me thinking, what's the best e-cash app to use to transfer and get money from my bank account?

 No.23607

>>23606
I'm getting less trusting of any payment system seeing how banks can get kicked out and accounts seized. Even Bitcoin has the problem of being useless if the internet goes down or there is a big split in the internet eg. Russia gets isolated from the rest of the world.

I'm starting to stock up on gold and silver. I don't believe it will go to the moon, this is just being a prepper.

 No.23772

>>23521
literally be the biggest porky and extract max surplus value. Then give it all away to proles or setup systems to undermine capitalism with surplus

 No.23774

>>23196
precious metals are the biggest grift ever considering their value only diminishes with time and in a collapse they’d be even more worthless lol

 No.23782

>>23774
>[precious metals'] value only diminishes with time
Diminishes less than Western/Japan issued fiat money tbh.

 No.23800

>>23772
unironically a good idea

 No.23804

>>23782
fiat’s inflation is controlled by complex credit mechanisms, while metals are pure exchange value and will always diminish in both value and circulation simultaneously

 No.23805

>>23804
Meanwhile in reality, goldprice.org

 No.23806

>>23805
they’ve only been going up the past few decades because of prepper paranoia
it’s a pyramid scheme

 No.23807

>>23806
every day this site reaches a new low.

 No.23808

>>23807
a commodity’s price fluctuates according to its market
the graph shows a pretty clear boom and bust cycle that occasionally replenishes itself every few years

 No.23809

>>23808
that miraculously follows inflation and has been moving up (linearly) since 1971. You can't be this daft.

 No.23815

>>23806
No, it's because the labor content in gold is going up as it's harder and harder to find.

 No.23816

>>23815
actually i think it’s because of its use in electronics
scarcity is a non-factor to any serious marxist

 No.23817

>>23816
Why? Marx figured out alchemy or something?

 No.23818

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Fuck off with your gold and silver, goldbug-ancap-/pol/erinos. Tinman gang.

 No.23819

>>23818
aluminum and tin are what it’s about

 No.23829

>>23818
>>23819

Do you think this is a wave worth riding?

 No.24510

Does anybody here have any experience with opening an online store? I've started learning about web development, so that I'll be able to create my own website for selling things eventually. I was originally just gonna set up a shop on etsy since that seemed like the easiest thing to do for someone with little business experience, but that was before I realized how shit that site is. Do you guys think it's better to create your own website for this kind of thing, or is it best to start selling and building up a customer base through sites that already receive a lot of traffic like Amazon?

 No.24512

>>24510
Create your own site
Sell digital goods that cost nothing to make
Learn how to game places like Amazon etc., to get you over the "starting out" hump
Spend more on data based marketing then anything else
See if you can even break even by the end of the next financial quarter
Don't forget to set up a "not illegal" tax minimisation strategy such as registering businesses in low tax states as pty ltds.

 No.24516

>>24510
stripe.com
also you don't need to have an automatic payment system, you could always handle orders through e-mail or something and receive money through direct bank transfers and/or crypto

 No.26352

What's the best country with an upward developing economy to open a business in? I've been hitting the gym as hard as I can lately and realized fitness trainer certs are real cheap comparatively to basically anything else in health care thus I'm considering getting the fuck out of the nightmare that is America and trying to open up some gyms somewhere expat and crypto commie friendly. No, I'm not trying to be somekinda globo-gym ala Dodgeball bourgeoise swine in the 3rd world parasite. I just wanna live healthy, help the locals, take care of my self and employees and live decently away from the rot that is the west.

 No.26355

>>26352
>What's the best country with an upward developing economy to open a business in?
Africa.

 No.26387

>>26352
China?? Maybe one of the more rural regions? You'll always be that "one white guy" though.

 No.26433

>>26355
Any countries or regions in particular?

>>26387
Buddy guess what? Not everyone you talk to on sites like this is white. You ever think of that?

 No.26434

>>26433
> You ever think of that?
they never think of that. that's what makes it a klan chan

 No.26623

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small update on my stack

 No.26637

>>26623
Looking like a good little haul to help fund local orgs when the time come.
Also kinda cool to look at and handle I'd imagine (in a tactile/kinaesthetic sort of way).

 No.26638

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Actually while I'm here…

Has anyone here tried to get precious metals from old defunct tech?

I know there's a period where it's re-sale value is as good or equivalent to it's material value, then a small window where it's just shit, then it tips over to collector value being greater than the raw materials.

I'm also aware that one can "value add", like taking a board and cutting it into jewellery for example.

Yet from what I've read, it's almost never worth it unless you have scale, and it's so toxic you're basically needing to get enough to fund your own cancer treatment :\

Just thinking of how to help a few groups self-sustain without having to constantly beg for donos, and before they need to start relying on other avenues that'll just probably not be worth the risk.

 No.26645

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>>26637
for now it's just to hedge against inflation. also yes, shinies are nice to fondle and look at
>>26638
look up sreetips on youtube
https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=2sZUAprS5KI
https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=gfNezDyNvVI
https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=s6B_ZK3L4rA
with zero chem knowledge it might be better to scrap electronics and sell the gold plated stuff on ebay

 No.26658

>>10762
Is it possible for you to create an LLC and claim you're not self employed you work for the LLC? Or would that just put you into an even larger tax?

 No.26675

>>26645
interesting, thanks.

 No.26676

itt Engels'

 No.26678

>>26676
Engels was already from a rich family.
These fucks want to "escape wage slavery" by becoming petty bourg and kulaks.
>the proletarian can free himself only by abolishing private property in general

 No.27107

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I got some Shrekels today

 No.27108

>>27107
Incredible, thank you.

 No.27109

>>27107
I've been thinking of getting some soon.

 No.27110

>>26678
>nooo, you have to suffer!!!
You do enough suffering for both of us. If I manage to escape wage slavery, I'll send you thoughts and prayers.

 No.27113

>>27109
the premiums on them are a bit high, as with most non-bullion rounds. else I would have gotten more than just three

 No.27123

Bros what do I do with savings? I have like 30-40k saved up. Its not enough to afford a house so what else do people do with theirs. Im not gonna put it in stonks because thats capitalist shit. Whats the point of even earning then if its just going to sit there.

 No.27124

>>27123
30k is 10% down on a 600k house. You should seriously just buy a house, though maybe wait for the oncoming recession in 6-18 months

>>10732
Anyone thought of making lewd games on Patreon it seems easy af and people pull in so much cash as a side hustle. The gay space only has two popular games so it wouldn't even be hard to get a niche with a sizeable fanbase. Tfw can't draw though, only write and coding.

 No.27134

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How do I invest?
What's the rich dad poor dad investing method?
Do I just walk to a hot dog cart and say "I can give you X amount of money for X% of your earnings?"

 No.27137

Guys I'm seriously thinking about starting a rental truck business, like just copying uhaul but undercutting the fags. Found some cheap moving trucks. Uhaul charges a 1300$ just to move one state over, with those rates I could recoup the cost of the truck in like a few weeks. All I'll have to do is rent some commercial space with a reasonable lot size and I'd vinyl wrap the truck saying 'we'll beat any quote' and I'd be in business.

Pros/cons??

 No.27138

>>27124
You mean 300k? Theres no house near me that cheap, but yeah Ive beem waiting for the next crisis for years now

 No.27139

>>27134
You'd need some kind of stock in return. stonks are probably easier, but if u wanted to do that real porky way you'd need a lot of capital. Then you'd buyout so many shares in the company you'd get a controlling interest. Or I guess you could do the hotdog cart way but might be easier to just do loans.

You can also do hard money loans for real estate. You lend to private developers that are trying build a house and if they successfully flip it you get a cut of their jib.

 No.27144

what kind of phone payment app should i use to make savings
any recs?

should i use local one so if ever a russia type happens, i will still be able to use my money?

should i use one that gives me the most savings?

or should i keep shifting and suck them all dry of the coupons?

 No.27145

i want to start a company that makes as much money as amazon. what kind of spin on ecommerce can you think of that could get just as big?

 No.27146

>>27144
what? If you want banks have safety deposit boxes that you can just put cash in. Otherwise if you keep savings at home in a safe/gold etc you risk getting robbed.

 No.27147

>>27138
>You mean 300k? Theres no house near me that cheap, but yeah Ive beem waiting for the next crisis for years now
Just go somewhere where the houses cost 300k then. My parents bought their current house for under 300k 3 years ago and now Zillow says it's worth mid 600k.

 No.27151

>>27123
I'm going to agree with >>27124 on buying a house. or simply work less
>>27134
index funds, then a fraction of that in stocks
>>27145
kek

 No.27152

>>27146
i'm taking bout apps like google pay and apple pay

there are several of those in my country

 No.27153

>>27144
>what kind of phone payment app should i use to make savings
Acorns in the US
And RAIZ in AUS

 No.27203

sweatcoin
scam or real? getting paid to exercise

has someone tried it

 No.27205

>>27139
I don't know, buying stocks of a local bar or a corner store seems silly.
I don't want it to be a flat loan, I fear it'll come off as predatorial.
>>27151
>index funds, then a fraction of that in stocks
elaborate

 No.27206

>>27203
It's one step closer to LaborCoin so I guess it's okay for a meme?

 No.27228

>>27205
index funds are safu. find one with a low fee. then you can risk a fraction of that on stock

 No.27244

>>27228
It does seem like index funds is what I want.
Once I start my new job I try to save for a small investment.

 No.27437

>>10736
Tech companies add in thier employees' employment contract a clause regarding stock options– basically, giving them the ability to sell their shares in the company at a predetermined date. They own a percentage of the company but dont get a seat on the board of directors.

 No.27438

>>27134
You buy in stock on the stock market through a broker.
Btw you should read "The richest man in Babylon" .

 No.27441

>>27438
After reading about index funds I'm only interested in passive investments, the stock market is too autistic and too much hard work.
>Btw you should read "The richest man in Babylon" .
Looks interesting, I been meaning to read rich dad poor dad, how does this one compare against it?

 No.27535

>>27441
>>27534
Good general books recommendation?

 No.28030

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>>26623
>>27107
The USSR made gold and silver collector coins. They're more expensive than mass produced gold and silver coins, but they're not as expensive as most collector coins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commemorative_coins_of_the_Soviet_Union

 No.28057

>>28030
gold coins usually have decent premiums, especially if numisfags are uninterested in them. silver premiums tend to almost always be terrible
I also think platinum is way underpriced compared to gold, the same way silver is underpriced compared to gold. could be that gold is overpriced tho

 No.28235

I don't want to get a full time job, but I desire a commodity

What are my options brehs

 No.28237

>>28235
Buy a used older model of the commodity like all us plebs do. If its obscure enough just buy and flip a few for a small profit till you can afford one

 No.28238

>>28237
my problem is that i need money

i am of course buying an older and cheapest version of the commodity

i really want to enlist for those product testing, research, fuck ass groups but i don't know how to get in them

you get paid to just blather on how you FEEL about things

 No.28246

Make some money/big business already fuckers. Money is better off in a communists hand than it is a capitalists. Even if you make a trillion dollars, and donate 100b, its more than a capitalist has ever done

 No.28247

>>28238
I signed up for the google one and occassionally they give me emails for a 100$ fuck-you money survey but I never go.

Heres the link https://userresearch.google.com/

 No.28447

Is this the dark marxism general?

 No.28498

>>28447
If you're a good communist, you're good at business.

 No.28501

>>28247
thank yuo anon

 No.28558

What can I buy to profit off of the most when America and the west collapses? Do I buy rubbles, yuan, Venezuela's petro crypto or something else? The west is obviously going up in flames soon, I'm just trying to get ahead of the curve and profit

 No.28559

>>28447
Not at all.

 No.28589

>>28558
A plane ticket to China

 No.28732

VGHHHHHHHH… Massive crypto recoveries…

 No.28735

>>28732
poomp eet

 No.28797

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface

has anybody heard of this system before?

I don't understand teh economic implication and goals fo the indian bourgeoisie with this
It sounds too good to be true for now, How is this different than whatever method the US Google Pay and Apple Pay
use

When the Ukraine War happened and SWIFT shutdown Russia, Were they still able to use their internal country's payment systems, If I use Google Pay UPI and something like that happened would I still be able to use domestic payment

Digital Payment is so confusing and feels hella insecure but it's the most convenient too,
How do anons conduct their payment affairs?

 No.28798

>>28797
Also how does this system compare with Venom and PayPal
are they the same or worse

I heard burgers have something called "Zelle"

 No.28803

>>28797
>I don't understand teh economic implication and goals fo the indian bourgeoisie with this
It's the same as the bourgeois of every other country, if you control cash you can control people invisibly.
Here in medellín the metro only let's you in if you have a card and with that they basically banned people on precarious situations from ever using the trains.
Now with payment services like those you mention business can soft ban poor people.

 No.28820

>>28803
Is there any way to fight back?

 No.28821

>>28820
Yes, jump rails.

 No.28823

>>28797
What's so hard to understand? It's a national inter-bank automated wiring system, like Fedwire in the US or Interac in Canada

 No.28831

do you guys use paypal for international transcations?
is there a better alternative

i heard they close your account for random shit, chargebacks, elon musk 🤮🤢

 No.28832

>>28823
what's a wiring system, i've never had a bank account

>fedwire

>interac
do people use this for like regular payments like a candy purchase

ive only heard of wire transfer in old movies

 No.28960

So are Credit Cards >>> Debit Cards?
If you don't get addicted to shopping and are responsible with it?


You get

>Porky's money to play with

>If any farud happens, porky has to worry, your actual money is safe still and can use to buy food
>You get benefits

Cons
<Easy to get money lust and fall into debt trap

I don't have a job but some money, if I get one without an annual fee, I'll get one because I don't see myself as spending what I don't have

I just want the additional security that my debit card doesn't offer

 No.28962

>>28960
Credit card churning is a legit way to make free money. Sign up for cards with sign up bonuses, get the bonus, close the account and move onto the next card. There are lots of tutorials on the web about credit card churning.

 No.28972

>>28832
Wiring is a name for transferring money directly from one account to another over a long distance and in a short amount of time.
It comes from the days of telegrams which helped facilitate long-distance banking.
Wiring is used for personal transactions or larger business transactions mostly; if you're buying something retail you'll probably use a debit or credit card where there's a middleman like Mastercard or Visa handling all of the details, or something like PayPal or Stripe.

 No.29535

bing points, you get like 5 bucks of an amazon card if you help the interns fake searches

>one of the searches today was "italy's first woman pm"

i immediately searched her name with fascist as well

that'll show 'em

 No.29536

>>28962
doesn't it make your credit history bad if you constantly open and close cards?

but I have definitely thought about doing this myself, just too lazy

 No.29558

>>29535
praxis

 No.30897

Anyone here ever worked on freelancer sites like Fiverr or Upwork?

 No.30899

>>30897
I've used them, and they're exactly what you expect.

Honestly? They're not going to be a "living" unless you manage to leverage them into social media/audience.

So if you're thinking about it, just do it for the experience and be proactive. Create a portfolio and reach out to people you want to make stuff for, give them a freebie/gift.

And minmax your price, like $300+ for good work you create, and like $13 for cranked shit your just AI or copy. 30% payment upfront always to filter out the scammers.

You want fewer but better customers/clients that you can, in the long term, pivot or leverage into getting off those sites.

 No.30906

>>30897
The only way I can think of making fiverr profitable is just finding some free programs online to do a task for you in like a minute or under and then listing it as a service on fiverr.

Like just saying you'll edit their photos and bulk feeding them into a photoshop preset or something.

 No.30907

Does anyone know what the limit for refund scams in Amazon is? I know if you file a police report you have better luck, you can score a free ipad or something that way.

 No.30911

>>30899
Thank you anon. I'm gonna give them a try. I'm just looking to make some money on the side, as I live in a third world country with high inflation and can barely make it to the end of the month. Turning it into a full time job would be a long term goal but I don't know if it's plausible.
>>30906
Yeah, that would be interesting.

 No.30918

>>30911
Remember, if you're going to do business you've got to think like a real capitalist i.e. Don't believe the bullshit they say is business', look behind it as any good commie should.

gl anon :D

 No.31379

What market socialist small business are you running out of the Yugo kiosks

 No.31380

>>31379
A cafe and promote it with the gimmick that it's so small

 No.31435

>>31379
>>31380
book café. offer coffee, cookies and pamphlets

 No.31443

>>31379
International newspaper shop

 No.31444

>>31379
Ive seen a lot of ice cream shops run in similar sized places.

 No.31461

How do we survive the upcoming depresssion? Im scared anons. Most likely we'll all lose our jobs and I dont have enough savings or unique skills to survive. Im guessing all our labor would become surplus cubed with all the competition that will flood the market.

 No.31462

>>31461
On a personal level it would be smart to get a better job. No one has "unique" skills, you just need to find something to do that isn't "unskilled".

 No.31464

>>31461
It's a good organizing opportunity.

 No.31482

>>31461
>How do we survive
>Im scared
>I dont have enough savings
So is it "We" or are you going to continue being an atomized lone individual who doesn't engage in collective struggle and offer mutual aid solidarity?

 No.31483

>>31482
charity begins at home

 No.31486

>>31482
Ive never had anyone help me outside of pure parental obligation or a job they were paid for, communist or otherwise.

 No.31490

>>31486
Then be that change.

 No.31493

>>31490
why, what would I get in return? The keyword in mutual aid being mutual. Otherwise it's charity and fuck that noise. There is noone doing real mutual aid in burgerstan, once it collapses it will just be a dog eat dog hellscape.

 No.31502

>>31493
>what would I get in return?
And there it is.

 No.32141

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gold!

 No.32143

>>10735
brb creating a import business to ship in massive amounts of 4-methlypregabalin and fluorphenibut cuz I like α2δ ligands and China
>finna do a reverse opium war

 No.32144

>>32141
why are they stamped with the symbol of Syrian Social Nationalist Party/
>WHY ARE THEY STAMPOED WITH THE SSNP LOGO ANON?!?!

 No.32145

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>>32144
It's a Swiss refinery

 No.32152

I know its a meme, but should I get some lira in case the Turkish economy gets better?

 No.32197

Why is this thread still up? Pure amusement?

 No.32216

>>30897
Yes I work on Fiverr. Make around $1-3000 a month.

I do mainly copy editing. The admin fees are insane (20%) and they even garnish your tips too. Very difficult to organise against it, because at the end of the day it's all about your position in the stack so if you get thrown off and have to start again, your rating and position starts again too, which means starting with low prices and having to work your way up.

Fiverr, you set up your "stall" and let clients come to you. Upwork is the reverse, clients put up a job and you and a hundred others swarm with offers. You can get work on upwork, but it's a demoralising after sending so many offers and getting nothing. Both are very alienating platforms on the whole though, but it does allow me flexibility and work from home.

As the other anon said, It's imperative to get your clients off the platform, but you've got to be sneaky about this. Posting in the chat box, "hey give me your email so you pay me direct" will get you thrown off the platform, but "can we have a quick chat on zoom to go over your order" and then during that chat, if you have a good relationship, let them know that it'll be better for both of you if you can pay direct.

Also, when you do get a regular client, you can charge them MORE for each order. If they like you, then you're taking out the hassle of them having to search for a worker each time they have a job. So, I would think of first orders like an introductory offer and then raise the price after, when they start asking for custom orders etc. This works better with serious business people than individuals.

 No.32229

>>32216
How many hours/week do you work roughly?

 No.32231

>>32216
>This works better with serious business people than individuals.
How so?

 No.32238

>>32229
probably 20 or so. although I'm kinda always "on call" to answer requests from people

>>32231
It's more of a general sense. The thing about fiverr is that you have people looking for high quality work for the lowest possible price. Like I said, if you're a business finding the right people is a task in and of itself. Individuals want a cheap job in and out. Businesses want that too, but if they want repeat orders will realise the value of paying more for the right person.

 No.32346

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Droppin a hot money minting cash cow- a lot of you anons with spare time on your hands can make bank by being a chad leftypol litigator troll.

A lot of companies will just settle for half or so whatever you sue them for in small claims. Its barely 200 or less to file and you can sue up to 4 times a year. If you sue 4 times for 10k each, you can have more savings than the average burger in a year. Some companies have arbitration/mediation clauses which are different from regular court (they are even easier).

All you have to do is gather or drum up 'evidence' which is basically just gathering all documents related to a transaction. For example if you're renting a place, plant some evidence of pests or other hazards and sue them for it after you get evidence the landlord did nothing. To be truly based sue your landlords, airBnB, banks, Google, any enemy of the left etc. For example I intend to arbitrate with aBnB for 10k after they didnt return some of my money.

If you wanna be a real chad, self study law and sue them in actual civil court and self represent for yourself to save money. They will shit themselves because hiring a lawyer costs a shit ton and will be eager to settle.

To get started go on your local courts websites and see what documents are available to file. Then file the motions, affadavits or whatever to build a case and sue the shit out of some capitalists. Report back here when you win.

If you win a judgment, freeze their bank accounts to collect whats owed to you.

If I ever end up broke, my plan is to do this full time.

 No.32349

>>32346
very cool. thank you pepe lawyer

 No.33183

Am I imagining it or did we have a crypto thread? Also wasn't everyone shitting on crypto intensely after FTX? Why arent those voices saying a thing about it now? Anyhow it's having a slight moment and I wanna talk about it

 No.33184

GPT killed my side hustle now I have to suck dick for cash again fml :\

 No.33185

>>33184
r u 4 real?
Maybe you could get more stable employment by being a life coach or listen to your clients. You could also make them suck your dick for cash y'know. You can only suck so many dicks.

Also know your worth. You're probably undercharging.

 No.36869

How do I start learning about finance? Is there a good Intro book?

 No.36967

I bought $10 worth of BTC, wat do?

 No.37023

>>36967
Wait until line goes up

 No.37030

>>36967
buy some more and order estradiol

 No.39421

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I have been unable to find a job in the last seven months and more and more I'm thinking of starting a business.
I have no capital but I'm thinking of making baked goods like cake and pies but I have no idea where to go to sell them.

 No.39452

>>36869
/edu/
>>39421
sounds cute, post baked goods :D

 No.40053

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How the fuck do I monetize a website with 6-7k weekly readers? bruh im unemployed


erikhoudini.com

 No.40054

>>10732
I approve of this thread, more classpilled petty boogies.

 No.40058

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>>39421
I remember reading this comment a couple weeks ago and being filled with unease.

And then I got laid off.

 No.40070

>>40058
>And then I got laid off.
dang :(

 No.40077

>>31379
Cute.

 No.40078

>>40058
don't worry anon, just try keep applying for jobs and get back on the horse.

 No.40113

>>40058
sweet bro time to turn that beer money side hustle into a grindset while putting off dr. appointments!


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