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/leftyco/ Anonymous Comrade 12/22/2019 (Sun) 14:36:18 No. 4670
Seeing how there’s multiple /co/ related threads on the board. I think we should just put all of them into one general just for clarity’s sake. Discuss anything related to comics and animations from comic recs, leftist animations to comic writers’ attempts to larp as leftists. Seriously is there a worse anarchist in the UK than Alan Moore?
>>4670 /co/ is a separate board entirely on most chans, lumping all cartoons into 1 thread is rather dumb, even with the reduced post rate
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I think Vendeta is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills prokys and doesn't afraid of anything.
>>4678 The story itself is pretty decent but it showed Alan Moore for being a liberal LARPer under all that “punk anarchist” facade. >Made comic to sell merchandise using anarchist aesthetics >Got in the big game, tried to do the same with capeshit and public owned IPs >Fucked over by DC, became bitter anarcho paganist
>>4682 >you are anti capitalist yet you use money, interesting
>>4685 There’s a difference from being a wageslave in a capitalist society while being a leftist and actively making money larping as an anarchist anon. That’s like comparing a normal trade unionist and a porky selling Che shirts from a sweat shop.
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>>4670 How the hell is this "industry" is still alive after all these years is a miracle to me. One of the only capitalist "culture" sector that have the rampant corporate meddling, nepotism and soulessness of videogames.
>>4766 1. aggressively attack nerds' juvenile nostalgia cortex by making the same thing over and over 2. massive advertising blitz 3. ????? 4. PROFIT!
>>4766 >pic Whoever drew that made it look like he has his pants full of shit and like his right leg is growing outta his crotch.
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Why doesn't Batman just kill the Joker?
>>4781 moralfaggotry (non utilitarians are dumdums)
>>4773 I know right? Most comic “artists” aside from a few notable ones are just failed actual artists. >>4781 If he can’t kill the Joker. Why can’t he just rape the Joker instead?
>>4781 fake moral standards that don't make sense. Frankly it's cause of his childhood trauma (see the Batman thread). >>4793 >failed actual artists Yep. I think that dude was done by Rob Liefeld
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Just the best Green Lantern passing by.
>>4863 >Kilowog funded and trained USSR heroes Based. DC really have a shit ton of good D-lister international capes but somehow they just keep coming back to their bread & butter of batwanking. And now that King’s run has properly tanked Batman sales and Bendis running amok. DC’s any creativity is as good as dead. And this is coming from a guy who always pirate big 2 comics.
>>4865 All the potential lost, cause Capitalism...
>>4870 wtf is that? Looks like America Chavez shit.
>>4871 Prez. DC axed it. It was good.There will be no Vol. 2 https://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/prez-vol-1-corndog-in-chief
>>4782 Utilitarianism is just the retarded phil101 version of consequentialism. If outcome is what you care about, the first thing you need to do is think outside the box in terms of how you can influence it. Utilitarians settle for "good enough" i.e. outcomes where an action is justified, when if you were actually a consequentialist you should be concerned with the best outcome you can reasonably achieve. Instead of accepting the limits imposed by a moral dilemma like the trolley problem, a consequentialist imperative is to find a way to produce better results. Just pull the emergency brake. "But you can't do that," the Kantians whine. The only reason you can't is because the dilemma is constructed to prevent alternate solutions. In any context where moral dilemmas matter (i.e. real life) there are plenty of outside factors that can be leveraged to change the course of events. This has to be stripped away for philosophical expediency (both to make the thought experiments efficient and to disguise the philosophical paucity), and utilitarians accept the framing uncritically. Should Batman kill the Joker? Of course, but it's really quite a minor question next to what he should do about rampant poverty, crime, and capitalism. Batman should kill Joker with his bare hands, not even wasting a bullet. He should put his almost limitless resources into funding measures to end crime at its roots, which is to say by fighting capitalism. Batman wields immense power both by virtue of his wealth and his personal attributes. He is therefore culpable for how he puts these to use. A sane moral or ethical perspective would have him do practically anything else besides beat up lumpens for fun.
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>>4872 Most of what's good out of the Nu52 sold terribly because of the lack of advertising and WB being the unscubulous fucks that they are let most of the writers be pushed under harras and didio (who did the most corporate cocksucking) be in charge. I'm still pissed that Morrison got fucked over just for Snyder to remake his run again. I also love how /co/ usually love this kind of mild leftist comics. But just like their retarded cousins over on /v/, once /pol/ discovered it and starts to raid the board, they retroactively pretend to hate it from the start.
>>4876 Oh how great Capitalism is for the arts... Creativity, don't you see! We wouldn't have all this great "entertainment" were it not for Capitalism!
>>4874 I partially agree and partially disagree but am too lazy to write out the hows and whys. Good effortpost regardless.
>>4877 Funnily enough, most entertainment in a capitalist society exist in spite of commodification and not because of it. But its consummers and producers are usually ironically the most reactionary idiots there are. This also lead to the sad case of Steve Ditko who was an adamant Objectivist (kek) that later died pennyless because he got fucked over by the same people he worship as deserving to fuck him over.
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Me: The focus on simplistic good vs evil superhero narratives being pushed on us is dumbing down the population Normies: Meh you're reading too much into it CNBC: tHe WoRlDs NuMbEr OnE bAd GuY
>>4929 Not as cringe as some early glowposting comparing enlisting to being a fucking comicbook superhero team in that same thread kek. The US is really going mask-off with this one. >2011 secretly taking out Bin Laden >2019 straight up murdering an Iranian general in a diplomatic mission (somehow when the DPRK did it, it’s bad)
>>4874 >A sane moral or ethical perspective would have him do practically anything else besides beat up lumpens for fun. except he literally does that like all the time? I'm thinking of story-timing Alex Ross's War on Crime on the Batman thread, I think it's one of the best stories that deals with the "Batman it's just some fascist who punches poor people but does nothing to help them" shallow criticism.
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>>4939 forgot to add pic
>>4939 >>4940 Yeah the writers lazily handwave this criticism by making Wayne some super philanthropist but how can Gotham still be so bad if he's really putting his full effort into making it better? He's like the number one employer in the city and he's a billionaire. If he really wanted to help Gotham he should run for mayor himself. Also: this argument for why Wayne is so great for giving up a small portion of his wealth is just the same as arguing that Bill Gates is some saint among men for giving away billions when he literally gets richer every year. The surplus value Wayne steals from the poor of Gotham must be infinitely larger than the money he gives away otherwise he wouldn't be a billionaire anymore.
>>4942 I think it's like that anon from the fantasy thread said, you have to separate ideology from the media you consume and believe there's a world in which a good billionaire can help people without some sort of ulterior motive. Otherwise you'll end up like Adornofags and claim literally everything is fascist.
>>4942 I truly hate the handwave shit comic writers retroactively do to make their “heroic” characters past incarnation not a fascist or a parody of one. Reminds me of how GW slowly from 3rd edition onwards turn the Imperium parody of fascism into something inherently necessary in setting through retcons. The only time I see this get truly addressed with a character is with O’Neil’s Question where after getting btfo’ed so hard, Victor straight up has to realize that Objectivism is garbage and cut it out. >>4939 >Alex Ross Isn’t this the same pathetic idiot that sperged out of DC when they asked him to draw Kyle? The guy like Darwyn Cooke and him are reaction manchildren who have an idealistic view of superheroes as a genre.
>>4952 >Darwyn Cooke oh yeah, I read the New Frontier some days ago. Shit was legit unironic American exceptionalism propaganda, which I guess was kinda the entire point of the book but still, kek
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>>4933 >when the DPRK did it, it’s bad When did they kill a general in a diplomatic mission? >>4939 >>4940 While I agree that the "Batmon just punches people and don't help" is an oversimplification, your screencap is capitalist apologism, see pic related. Also please do post the War on Crime in the Batman thread, I'm interested.
>>4953 Kinda hilarious how it feels like something the feds would fund to ghost write, but it's actually from Bush era US (kinda running with the hard Korean war apologia of the early 2000s like the Grand Torino film). Just a terrible book in general.
>>4955 Have you been living under a rock? https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/194551.html
>>4933 >somehow when the DPRK did it, it’s bad are you talking about the other Kim brother who was a CIA asset or the Juche necromancy?
>>4958 >us stupid <posts an entire several hundred post thread piss off it was a simple question
>>4962 The US assassinated Iranian Brigadier General Qassem Soleimani which pretty much the leader of Iran’s efforts in beating ISIS. Now that they realized they fucked up, Trump and his administration are backpedaling hard.
>>4942 >Yeah the writers lazily handwave this criticism by making Wayne some super philanthropist but how can Gotham still be so bad if he's really putting his full effort into making it better? Because comic writers have no understanding of the political economy and the causes of crime. To them it's Satan or Chaos leaking in from a parallel dimension and the only thing to do about it is beat it up literally with your physical hands.
>>4940 If batman wants to take personal responsibility for the shithole that is Gotham, as both a billionaire and a vigilante, then he needs to take responsibility for the results or lackthereof. Funnily enough, if he found a way to successfully fight, there would be no story to serialize in the first place. Damn, it's crazy, like the capitalist mode of production incentivizing continuous sales is a direct disincentive to telling any story other than maintenance of the status quo and drawing it out as long as possible.
>>4967 Yeah I was aware of that, the question was about when did the DPRK do something similar like that
Why is non-burger comics so much superior? The writing might be similar but the ideas and art is just so much better in every way.
>>5035 Could it be that not having to sell like crazy has something to do with this?
>>5035 >>5039 The thing is this is the opposite of the modern comic market. The Euro comic scene (specifically France and Italy) has been consistently the second largest market for comics being only behind the manga scene. While comic sales have been going down each year.
>>5046 That's probably because all American comics are the exact same and it's a miserable race to the bottom. Besides Marvel/DC don't even have to make comics anymore, they're making so much money from movies/videogames/merch that it's not worth the effort.
>>5050 You’re right. Both publishers have been gutted by their masters and turned into IP farms. DC got hit especially hard with this last year. Where most of their higher ups were replaced by corporate woke suits who just let Harras and Didio do what ever they want as long as they keep pushing the Bat, Joker and Harley. Which backfired spectacularly with Heroes in Crisis. Marvel is now under the reign of a weeb who just can’t stop pumping out shitty sequels to their popular events. There’s been like what 3 Civil Wars and 3 Spiderverse already! But once in a while there’s still some good gems like the recent Hillhouse books or Dial H for example.
>>4670 Since this thread is dying. May I present to you the greatest golden age comic ever. Truly the height of American schizophrenia. Stardust The Mothefucking Super Wizard!
>>5235 It’s also great because it’s already in public domain so anyone can make their version of Stardust.
>>5236 The story about the author of this also very sad as well. Apparently he’s also one of hundreds of ghost artists and writers like Bill Finger that got scammed out off profits by grifters of the time and later died penniless on a park bench.
>>5239 Most of the grotesque faces are also apparently based on the writer himself as he basically lived most of his life a depressed alcoholic.
>>5240 Which made it a great source of getting reaction images.
>>5241 And that’s it for today. Hope ya like it.
This is from the recent GL mini as one of the “bad timelines”. Pretty based if I’d say so myself.
>>5035 >Why is non-burger comics so much superior Because they have a long history of folk-tales and writing heroes, while burger-land does not. Russia is not very good with comic-book heroes either, and until recently hasn't even bothered trying since it does not fit their culture.
>>6605 >Because they have a long history of folk-tales and writing heroes I would say this is debatable. LatAm countries before and after the era of military dictatorship have a vibrant comic scene even when their culture only get the chance to shine in the post-colonial era. So much so that the US still uses it as a method to push their propaganda.
>>6610 > LatAm countries before and after the era of military dictatorship have a vibrant comic scene By America everyone is obviously referring to the US/Canadian comic scene - Marvel and DC and other such mainstream capeshit.
>>6611 That other poster's point is: Having a long history of folk-tales and writing heroes is not necessary for having a vibrant scene of comics that aren't capeshit.
>>6613 >Having a long history of folk-tales and writing heroes is not necessary for having a vibrant scene of comics that aren't capeshit. LatAm does have a long history of folktales and heroes tho. and has heavy european inluence.
Just came across this absolutely terrible piece of liberal idiocy. Might as well storytime it.
>>6798 This tried to be edgy but it just came off as fashprim retardation. Somehow he keep capitalist society going while complaining about it.
>>6799 >muh human nature is selfish
>>6801 Why did you bring this terrible fanart here and where did you find this?
>>6798 >>6799 >>6800 >>6801 This isn't 4chan, we have a 3 image per post limit.
>>6797 FOR ONCE I ask for a comic book to have a storyline where the superman-esque hero goes all dictator. Where do you go with an uncorruptable, invincible, immortal ruler?
>>6832 DC one million probably. But most likely if he is truly incorruptible shit would be similar to this.
>>4670 >>6797 >>6798 >>6799 >>6800 >>6801 atleast the depict marx as the true god.
>>6834 holy fucking shit based wtf i hate batman now
>>6841 That universe main “villain” uploaded himself into a cybernetic ÁI to manage the resources of the universe. While Hal only left after admitting that the villain’s plan worked and say that his nature wouldn’t fit a commie system. Basically being the guy from this interview. http://youtu.be/ktE_3PrJZO0
>>6834 >Batman the class enemy adventurist >Aquaman the monarch >Catwoman the lumpen thief >Ras Al Ghul, useful idiot terrorist >that one immortal guy who lies a lot >Solomon Grundy Why is Ras al Ghul there? What is even his goal? Shouldn't he be happy that things are better? Is he mad and petty that he's not the one responsible for it?
Batman is a fucking piece of shit who could be funding programs to help the community like Black Panthers or Food Not Bombs, but instead he just beats up poor people
https://youtu.be/95eQuyfR--8?t=524 >superpowered alien kid would be better in the hands of US government than what he does in the film fucking retarded Americans reeee
>>6893 They’re mutts. Decades of anti-communist propaganda has fried their brains to a crisp. They can’t do any critical thinking other than consooming and repeating lies, they’re honestly worse than the proles of 1984.
Juan Giménez the artist behind metabaron died due to covid19. ...Anonymous Sticky Juan Gimenez dies, age 77, due(...) 04/03/20(Fri)09:18:50 No.114066125 246 KB 246 KB JPG https://www.perfil.com/noticias/salud/victima-mendoza-coronavirus-es-reconocido-dibujante-juan-gimenez.phtml Coronachan is based but why does she has to took this lad away. F
>>4670 I know virtually nothing about comics, but my dad torrented the Red Son adaptation for us to watch. How is it (both the comic and movie)?
>>8142 The comic is better but it’s as liberal as it comes. With “muh gulags”, “muh Stalin”, “muh commies lobotomy” (even though the Soviet Union were the first ones to abolish that barbaric practice”, “anarchy mean no rulez”,... strung about endlessly. The movie is even worse being straight up anti communist propaganda. The motion comic on YouTube is still there and it’s a more faithful adaptation.
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>>5035 Simple question with a simple answer: The 1950s Comics Code Authority Like >>5046 said, comics sales per capita in every other continent (Europe, Asia, South America, Africa) are far higher, with the much-vaunted comics utopia of Japan actually just being somewhat above average compared to anywhere but burgerstan. Even American non-capeshit, like Disney's Mickey Mouse comics, are actually more prosperous outside the USA than within it where they are completely unknown. Pre-Code, American comics were a massive industry, spanning every imaginable genre, format, and demographic audience, this was the "Golden Age". Then Frederick Wertham, aided by the Red Scare, published "Corruption of the Innocent" as part of a moral panic crusade aimed at destroying the comic industry. Of course, this ended up succeeding in part because of willing support from inside parts of the comics industry itself, such as DC's capeshit and the newspapers' syndicated funny strips. Having killed off everything other than capeshit & newspaper strips, this launched the "Silver Age" of bland, unambitious, safe, marketable, comics. This worked for maybe a generation, from the 1950s into the 1960s, until the burgerstani comic industry's audience of small children and disinterested newspaper readers outgrew any serious interest in the skeletal remnants of the medium that had been allowed to survive under the CCA. Hence, during the 1970s, readership imploded, and the rotten industry collapsed. In a fit of desperation, the CCA was dismantled. Hamfisted attempts to shove "important" messages were made to sell capeshit as socially relevant, comics turned inward, trying to establish themselves as a niche medium for geeks with soap opera-esque crossover continuity gimmicks, or appealing as a collectible "investment" vehicle off nostalgia bait like baseball cards were doing at the time. But none of it worked, it was far too late to save anything of worth, decades of the capeshit monoculture had completely sterilized the medium of any mass appeal or creative authenticity. This was the total death of American comics as a popular medium, the "Bronze Age" of comics. By the late '80s, comics had for 99% of Americans shrunken to a cultural artifact, a curiosity of 1950s retro nostalgia, supported entirely by merchandising and licensing, with the actual comics having circulation numbers too small to actually matter as an industry. Sure, a small number of non-capeshit imprints like Vertigo and Black Horse exist, but they are trying to rebuild a cultural legacy that was completely exterminated. A good comparison to what happened with comics, is what very nearly happened to vidya in 2007-2014, a campaign by self-promotional grifters to buy clout by leading a moral panic to destroy an entire medium.
>>8147 Thanks, comrade. I think that my dad may enjoy it more if he knows what it's really about instead of going in expecting some serious, realistic alternative interpretation. Are there any other comics like Red Son but better that you'd recommend? Because I think at least the concept is cool.
>>4670 >Seriously is there a worse anarchist in the UK than Alan Moore? I'm tempted to say Grant Morrison but I liked The Invisibles and his run on Doom Patrol.
>>8686 Alan Moore said is right when the guy criticized Morrison for larping himself into the punk movement but the guy never truly considered himself an anarchist. Moz said that he’s a green liberal that supports Labour. While Moore called himself an anarchist while trying to make money from that edgy persona. On another question what’s your favorite capeshit run? For me it’s Doom Patrol, O’neil’s Question and Ellis’ The Authority. I always intend to make a storytime thread here but always worried that it may pushed potentially good threads down the drain.
>>8714 >Moz said that he’s a green liberal that supports Labour. That's unsurprising; I've often been told to read The Filth if I wanted an illustration of what Grant Morrison really thinks. >On another question what’s your favorite capeshit run? Garth Ennis' The Boys, Rick Veitch's The One, and Kevin O'Neill's Marshal Law. The Authority is good; I should reread it.
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Opinions on Transmetropolitan? When I was younger I liked the search for the true that Spider does. Obviously having in account that he is a ... maniac with selfdestructive ways, in a world consumed by capitalism. But I can only think that the message is liberal, everything is liberal.
>>7830 >died of COVID <77 From my own research on the topic, Doctors aren't even bothering with full autopsies and just label deaths as the virus because its easier than digging around in a corpse. He probably just died of old age
>>8829 Not like that, normally they'll ask someone close if he had the flu. Or check if he went through a test and the results. A congressmen in my country died that way. The care facilities are coffins nowadays.
>>8827 The message was not liberal in nature but the ending was. It still held the idealistic notions of the truth in the press being important when in reality it has never been. >>8725 >Rick Veitch's The One BASED >Marshal Law To be fair that was also’s Pat Mills greatest book behind Nemesis and Vampire Knight.
>>8830 >the results unreliable as fuck TBH >they'll ask someone close if he had the flu. The similarities between the two viruses are so close that its hard to tell apart, so with the hysteria, doctors are just going with the popular option, "COVID!!!" and that's what goes on the obituary.
Can anyone summarize this Tintin comic? I never read it so I got no clue as to its plot.
>>8886 Tintin goes to Soviet Union, shenanigans in escaping the Reds ensue
>>8886 A lot of anti-communist shit >Uh actually the 5 year plans were fake, the Soviet factory have workers spending their time making mud pies >muh asiatic savages
>>10083 Of course... fucking frogs
w2c stardust bf?
In other news, due to huge disruption by the pandemic and subsequent lockdown, Diamond distribution now no longer holds the monopoly on comics. Is this a sign of AT&T and Disney moving into further monopoly that removes 3rd party completely? https://sys.4channel.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hollywoodreporter.com%2Fheat-vision%2Fdc-cuts-ties-diamond-comic-distribution-1297309
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I have bird autism.
>>10926 Ok, nice to know.
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Am I the only one who likes Adventures of Asterix?
>>10257 Probably not, Disney has said it's a temporary measure until Diamond renews operations.
>>11641 You are certainly not! It's insanely based. I grew up with the entire collection that my dad kept from his childhood. My favorite one was the Viking one, not least because the copy was practically falling apart even when I was a kid, so physically handling it was part of the adventure. Reading those panels of boats navigating through storms, appearing on old yellowed pages barely hanging on to the spine, made me feel like I was holding some forbidden artifact, or even a lost historical record depicting true events. I'm sure I owe more to my personal development to Asterix and other lit for kids than I do anything they were teaching me at school at the time.
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I really like the depiction of Reagan from TDKR
>>15976 Not as brutal as when Miller depicts how hilariously contradictory “the American way” to truth and justice. >>10257 DC is completely fucked as of now with huge layoffs because the bean counters at AT&T are tired of paper floppies I publishing. Jim Lee is seemingly pushing for online distribution and closing everything else. Which in the end will eventually lead to DC becoming just an IP farm for Warner Bros and Batman&Pals. Luckily Morrison decided to jump ship early and go back to Heavy Metal (no more Sea Guy or that promised Arkham Asylum sequel with Batman 666 which is a shame). I couldn’t care less because the amount of good DC runs in the past could last me a lifetime.
>>11641 >astrix Yup, it's galaxy brain time. https://youtu.be/5_ehdwsv5BI
10 websites to read Free Full Comics Online – Marvel Comic, DC Comic, Dark Horse Comic: https://www.wat-not.com/10-websites-to-read-free-full-comics-online-marvel-comic-dc-comic-dark-horse-comic/
As time passes I find myself more and more Nostalgic for Samurai Jack. I was never a big fan of the art-style, but the story, animation and characters more than make up for it. The Scotsman was always my favorite of course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3I7h5nNuWg
>>18471 >>18471 >implying people don’t know about all of this already It’s one of the thing Cuckchan is still good for is sharing comics for free
>>10085 herge is belgian, and was a reactionnary fuck before an anticommunist. He is remembered cause he was one of the very first popular bd author and created a prominent drawing style, not cause of the quality of his story.
>>8827 he is obviously a cyberpunk Hunter Thompson, and I love him, the world building is also great.
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>>19963 Miles Spider-man was good so this might be good too.
>>19965 That was an accident. >>19963 SO now he's black all over - his suit, his skin and his heart - when he meets Darkseid he can suck him into a black hole too, kek. But honestly this is retarded. also take this to the capeshit and/or Batman threads m8
>>19965 >Bendis <good Go back. The guy had a good idea, but do fuck all with it. The later writers having managed to fix him is a miracle. However his comic is still god awful.
>>19989 /v/ brain
>>19990 >muh /v/ You're still as garbage as ever
>>19991 dopamine receptor burned 21st century brain
>>19989 >LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO Go where?
>>19993 >ur doamine burned <used by the "muh /v/" fag Ironic
>>19990 You sure use that boogeyman a lot.
>>19990 >implying /v/ even know who bendis is Dumb.


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