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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list Anonymous Board volunteer 07/05/2020 (Sun) 20:23:05 No. 668788 [Reply] [Last]
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Welcome to Bunkerchan.net d011ars Root 01/18/2021 (Mon) 16:30:36 No. 1296121 [Reply]
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🦅 /USApol/ 🗽 United States Politics 🏈 Anonymous 01/19/2021 (Tue) 00:28:13 No. 1297157 [Reply] [Last]
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https://twitter.com/nobum62/status/1352042371148640273 Check out the replies to this thread. It’s over for communism in USA
>>1301902 >the source of violent instincts from the right remains fixed and constant in that it stems from idealism (metaphysical idealism). Violent rightists shoot mosques and malls not because of genuine social suffering, but because shooting malls and mosques is inherently part of their their beliefs. Nobody meaningful dies from the alleged slew of moral ills the right alleges is poisoning the nation. The right will always be violent no matter how high standards of living, employment or how good healthcare is. >For the grievances of leftism stem from real, material factors such as lack of clean drinking water, illiteracy, a lack of healthcare, racial injustice, imperialism. When leftist discussion of this is suppressed, these material factors only intensify - this acceleration the true source of radicalisation - violence for a better future, for one's very life. Amen, sister. The worst (and most tired cliche) that can be said about the left is that its fight for a good cause can lead it to commit horrible crimes, and even that is still too good to describe what the right does. Fascists don't dream of living in their purported ideal world free of undesirables. Utopia is a permanent theme of leftist thought, but it's almost unheard of in reactionary thought (pardon the oxymoron). They almost always fixate on the path to that supposed goal itself, and inevitably, it's a blood-soaked one. That's because the violence itself is the actual goal. They don't yearn for a better world, that's a rationalization, like literally everything they say in public. Life is lived for the sake of struggle, and their ideal life is a paradoxically permanent state of an endless final, universal conflagration. I'm not touching that censorship thing save to give a more cynical opinion. Us getting fucked is only a matter of time, the right getting fucked is a rare event. If nothing else, let us enjoy the moment.
>>1301940 >Is there an example of petit bourgeois reaction that wasn't connected to capitalism's dispossessive and centralizing tendencies? That particular petit bourgeoisie will always be reactionary regardless of whether they are alienated or not. You have to accept that there are petit bourgeoisie populations that are so inherently depraved, there is nothing for them but destruction. As in the Vendee, the Dekulakization - they will never be of use. They are best amputated as a gangrenous limb.
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>>1301902 Your illogic is precisely backward. Pasta'd from >>1299929 >Eventually you can't keep playing wack-a-mole and putting out fires everywhere they spring up, they will find those few spots out of reach from the censor and take root. This is why the way things used to work was so much better Before SJWdom popped into being, even the most banal lib or centrist was happy to shitpost, be edgy, troll & throw around casual bantz in the deepest, darkest corners of the 'net. In fact, such people made up the majority of the population at shitposting centers from USENET to SA & 4chan. And liked it, relishing free expression, viciously rebelling against censorship or prudishness, which was seen as the exclusive tactic of the most pathetic right-wingers. For this reason, the far-right was ceaselessly hounded, harassed, parodied, unable to get anything done, and impossible for normalfags to take seriously. Note: The same was true of SJWdom's predecessor, various strains of feminazi, racebaiter, turd-worldist, animal liberation, new age'er, PoMo, alt-med crank, etc., who were also the butts of endless jokes, and never stepped outside their safe havens of academic fuzzy studies depts or weird NGOs like PETA without endless jeering. But then the "left" and anyone putatively resembling them got a collective stick up their ass, became a bunch of prudish scolding censors, smeared genuine leftism down to the most banal liberalism as "fascist", and completely lost the fight to the burgeoning aut-right.
>>1301902 >The right will always be violent no matter how high standards of living, employment or how good healthcare is. This sticks out to me because far-right violence is basically a staple at this point. There has never been a period of 2 or more years where killings have not been perpetrated by right wingers. It's been especially pronounced this decade as well as the 90's.

Future of the online Right Anonymous 01/21/2021 (Thu) 05:30:18 No. 1299463 [Reply] [Last]
>Voat down >Parler deplatformed >8chan gone >Smaller forums (ironmarch etc) gone too >Mass bans on Twitter, FB, Twitch, fbi.gov >8kun and endchan basically dead >Q discredited >Trump gone <Only major platforms left now are Gab and Instagram (for now) So what's going to happen in the coming years? Even more extreme echo chambers (Gab is fairly mild compared to 8chan /pol/)? Doubling down? I don't see them recovering from this on the level of the 2010s. They lost their "culture war" and the petite bourg are being destroyed by the pandemic. Will people finally start caring more about class issues again?
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>>1300429 Why was he banned?
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>>1301575 >nobody bullied paulbots in the '00s >most paulbots were in it for anything other than w33d, pr0n, atheism, free expression, antiwar, & cunny BUGSchasers are the ones rewriting history >>1301626 They were organized and had finacial backing, we weren't. Plus years of erosion via Darkshikari's Law.
>>1299463 >Will people finally start caring more about class issues again? lolno the proletarianized former petty bourg will hold nothing but contempt against the nebulously defined "communists" and anything that supposedly resemble them thanks to porky's well-timed culture war propaganda machine
>>1301584 >>1301649 He's a faggot that screams u cute girl u cute girl instead of making any arguments
>>1300871 It's going to be 95% in 50 years. It's not an ideological issue (many Holocaust revisionists come from the left); it's just that the official narrative is completely implausible. In fact it's a bit weird to see leftists, who otherwise question every single narrative pushed by the media and the establishment, somehow still find themselves uncomfortable when talking about this topic. You can still denounce nazis, but the figures thrown around are literally unbelievable. And what's weird is that many other narratives would have worked; starvation, for example. You can totally kill dozens of millions of people through starvation. You just need to target crops, transportation, etc. and basically do a blocus. But the holocaust narrative is that nazis built some sophisticated logistics to carry out that genocide, and the figures basically just don't match.

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Reforming the DSA 01/22/2021 (Fri) 17:23:07 No. 1300962 [Reply]
So the class unity caucus came out with a list of reforms to the DSA so it can better fight for socialism: Grant democratic representation to organizing committees who, by no fault of their own, are stymied by the DSA’s inefficient, overloaded process for onboarding new chapters. If a local organizing committee which has met the 15 member threshold has waited in excess of 30 days for review by national DSA, they should be granted tentative rights by default to send a delegation to national DSA conventions equivalent to what they would be allowed as an officially recognized chapter. Implement Single Transferable Vote (STV) ranked choice voting as the means of conducting all leadership elections within the DSA, with membership provided the raw results of each vote to verify for themselves. This system would most accurately reflect voter preferences and ensure proportional representation of factions. If necessary, the DSA would fund the creation of an open source software package for conducting secure STV elections. Translate DSA’s website and essential documents into Spanish, soliciting volunteers to translate all essential documents going forward. It is the primary language of a significant sector of the American working class, and we will have to coordinate across divides of language and culture in order to take on capital, which is prone to utilizing nationalist tensions in service of pitting workers against each other. In addition, add the ability to request contact with a DSA member proficient in a needed language for the benefit of those reaching out to the DSA who are not fluent in English or Spanish. Comprehensively reform the national leadership structure in favor of accountability to the organization’s membership. The DSA needs a strong, centralized, democratic national infrastructure. Anything less allows the regional, state, and chapter-level organizational bodies underneath it to devolve into individualism and even opportunism. There are currently not enough opportunities for the membership to interface with the national organization and conventions should be held annually rather than biannually to address this. The membership must be able to decisively assert our platform and strategy, and be led by disciplined, democratically-elected leaders of the national organization to provide reliable administrative services and resources to carry it out. The current NPC structure needs a lot of work to meet this aspiration. Transition chapters to a universal committee structure that serves the chapters’ programmatic priorities while guarding against misuse and mission creep. The current working group model has unfortunately resulted in chapters containing small unaccountable projects operating in independent silos, some co-opted as vehicles for personal advancement, others limping along out of inertia as “zombie working groups” towards no discernable purpose, bound to voluntaristic rather than democratic decision making processes. Activities such as electoral or housing organizing are not goals in and of themselves, but rather must be carried out in service of grander tasks. We must also take care to avoid the creation of permanent NGO-style leadership boards that are inadequately committed to or responsible for the priorities of the membership and ultimate goals of the organization. Permanent status should be limited to committees that fulfill needs of utility and universal necessity (i.e. accounting, outreach, education). All further committees should have measurable and achievable objectives, produce regular progress reports to the membership, and be dissolved on a predetermined date by default. All committee positions should be elected by chapter-wide STV vote in elections scheduled after the committee’s establishment is approved. Create full time organizer positions sustained by member dues along the lines of “professional revolutionaries” in earlier organizations such as the SPD and CPUSA. Task them with completing key projects, hold them to high standards of professionalism and expectations of work, and typically have them serve for the length of projects rather than indefinite permanent positions. The DSA currently relies almost entirely upon unpaid part time volunteer labor, which limits capacity and the scope of our activities. Absent circumstances requiring great secrecy, these positions should be elected.

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>>1302133 >>1302134 That class unity has so far been excluded from serious power has less to do with numbers and more to do with how cliques form among DSA leadership.
>>1302142 Well that's looking better than their facebook page. I mean without any other numbers to go on I guess their membership is something between 500 and 1000
>>1302143 The core group who's on the email list and call is smaller, but more involved.

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Anonymous 01/16/2021 (Sat) 14:02:57 No. 1295050 [Reply] [Last]
why does his existence cause so much anger ?
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Jimmy and some woos-woSPLITTER are going at it lmao
>>1302025 Who is correct? Is Jimmy falling for Boogaloo ideology that mirrors nazism in its presentation of being anti establishment, and erroneously calling for class solidarity?
>>1302059 Sounds like Jimmy is dealing with a wrecker. Being anti-establishment is the defacto correct position. Taking tactical alliances with the powers that be against the establishment is the correct line to take.
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>>1302059 >>1302089 if a bunch of neoconfederate types take your side on the current issues and these guys agree with you 65% of the time should you side with them or should you disavow them because its not a good look and all the new york yuppie trash from new york will get upset at you ? they'll be upset at you and smear you regardless unless you ruthlessly praise and defend their shitty prefer neolib candidate
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>>1302059 >Who is correct? Is Jimmy falling for Boogaloo ideology that mirrors nazism in its presentation of being anti establishment, and erroneously calling for class solidarity? thank you for woos-woosing the record Who is correct? Is Fred falling for... Listen to yourself, besides that trot fag would've said the exact same thing if the previous interviewee had been Micheal Parenti, be honest...

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Anonymous 01/22/2021 (Fri) 16:10:57 No. 1300867 [Reply] [Last]
took him 1 day
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>>1302094 Your post has nothing to do with mine, liberal. Try again, read a book or kill yourself.
^ seeething liberal
>>1300931 >Germany had no plan to pay off its war debt other Imagine believing this meme, lmao..
>>1302094 As far as bait goes, I’ve seen worse but you really need to lurk more, /pol/. Your topics of choice are too predictable

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The Implosion of White Burger Identity Politics Anonymous 01/12/2021 (Tue) 05:21:26 No. 1236284 [Reply] [Last]
I have to say that one of the greatest pleasures I've experienced in the last few days is the complete implosion of white identity politics for American conservatives. Explicit racial politics more or less completely ended in the 70s, but it's lived on in a sort of dogwistle-y, implicit way. A large chunk of white people were basically convinced that "whites" were all property owners who paid the taxes, while blacks and other minorities were all wards of the state (to this day, /pol/ refers to state services as "gibs me dat" if you had even a shred of doubt), and so, in their heads, neoliberalism was a way of enforcing a clandestine Jim Crow. Move everything into the the private sector (thus supposedly increasing white wealth and authority) and heavily restricting the welfare state (and thus supposedly disciplining blacks and other minorities). It has been one of the most satisfying things I've seen in a while to watch them all realize, as they get fired or banned off of (private) social media, that private property isn't some clandestine collective commons, but only for white people, it's private fucking property. It's been hilarious watching people who have spent the last few decades going on about muh negative rights suddenly flail about asking why their constitutional rights don't transcend property rights. How do you think the right is going to resolve this? Do you think they'll drop neoliberalism, or continue to cling to their delusion and say that the reason why neoliberalism doesn't promote white idpol is because the communist illuminati or whatever?
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>>1300599 >I don’t need you to believe it I never said you did though. Curious. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
>>1300547 Meaning that as a black man he wouldn't be able to let white men fuck black women
I would say it's actually stronger than ever. Your average rural, militia-supporting, Republican patriot used to be placated and distracted by symbols like flags, anthems, statues, songs, mottos, etc. The woke left, that is only growing stronger now that Dems are back in power, wants to keep annihilating that. Do you think it's going to: a) Wake up that patriot b) Keep him complacent It's not rocket science. You have people now at the right of the Republican party screaming to whoever wants to hear it about how Republicans and big corporations sold out the white man. People are going to wake up, and they're not going to move further to the left, except on economic issues.
>>1236284 They'll call it communism, obviously.
>>1302073 Correct take America will one day be Communists and Socialists vs Nazbols[Some of them atlest] and white fascists and third positionists of all stripes.

Why is Imperialism currently woke? Anonymous 01/11/2021 (Mon) 10:57:52 No. 1234077 [Reply] [Last]
Not to say I’d prefer if imperialists returned to the day of being open, ardent white supremacists where mass murder was justified with spurious notions of “civilization” and “supple white coochie” being threatened; just wondering how sort of whacky it is that the exploitation and murder of the laborers primarily of the Global South has become wokeified in a sense. Not only woke, imperialism is, after all, mostly ignored; however you still got things like our heckin black four-star generals turning the ME to ruins, heckin girl boss woke pink feminist drone pilots bombing weddings, heckin based US Infantry in rainbow colored Humvees going to towns in Iraq and Syria to hand out candy and shit, heckin epic bacon Macron pretending like he’s trying to turn French into the most widely spoken language on Earth in order to “help” Africans and not to just restore the French Empire. Why does this exist? It’s almost like the pre-modern days of imperialism where it wasn’t racialized and subjects could expect to be integrated, except the imperialists also say the people they’re colonizing aren’t inferior at all and also they aren’t colonizing them. Is this “postmodern” imperialism?
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>>1301750 why? because you say so? a literal fucking nobody who has achieved nothing
>>1234113 because sex is empirically relevant and trans-identity in the west forces illogical equity in all spheres of sex-protected areas. You either accept that as a trans person you will never be a full biological woman and reach a compromise Or you force socety to change language, laws and everything that could be designated solely for biological females from sports et al, to a subjective individual decision that allows anyone to be Eric Cartman in their approach to self-ID. Also the cognitive dissonance >I am a woman Ok what's a woman? >A feeling Ok, like? >YOU TERF!!! Give meds now!!!
It's the System's neatest trick. Through massive propaganda operations involving the media, corporations, political system, get people to believe in the cult of LGBT, BLM, etc. and then paint whatever you want people to accept in rainbow. A simple, but effective trick. >Many people do not understand the roots of their own frustration, hence their rebellion is directionless. They know that they want to rebel, but they don't know what they want to rebel against. Luckily, the System is able to fill their need by providing them with a list of standard and stereotyped grievances in the name of which to rebel: racism, homophobia, women's issues, poverty, sweatshops…the whole laundry-bag of "activist" issues. >Huge numbers of would-be rebels take the bait. In fighting racism, sexism, etc., etc., they are only doing the System's work for it. In spite of this, they imagine that they are rebelling against the System. How is this possible? https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-system-s-neatest-trick
>>1302045 Yeah it can't be people are actually mad about all those things. And Capitalism commidifies those issues so "rebelling" become an act of consumption. Instead what people really want is to secretly go back to living in hunter gather tribes or substance farming.
>>1234095 So they've finally accepted that the redpill was estrogen but they're just sperging out about it?

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