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Eco extremism Anonymous 03/23/2021 (Tue) 17:02:09 No. 1330216 [Reply]
is eco extremism a real thing or just an internet meme? Are they a real org or just some larpers? >they're post-political deep ecologists and egoist nihilists
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>>1330216 >anticolonialism >NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T BOMB ANY FORMER COLONY AND INTERVENE IN ITS INTERNAL POLITICS >WHO CARES THAT 75 YEARS AFTER DECOLONIZATION MOST FORMER COLONIES ARE UNMITIGATED DISASTERS, YOU CAN'T JUST BE HECKIN' MEAN TO THEM
Back to /pol/
>>1331583 Hi, /pol/
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>>1330216 yeah but its on and off in different places. Look for large forests... eventually you'll find people defending the forests. It's not huge in the US anymore after like 2010, the green scare fucked everything up. It was way bigger. Now theres lots of stuff under the surface, since it doesnt really pay to have above-ground groups anymore, and the ppl who are on twitter and shit stanning eco-terrorists (i say this in a loving way) 9.9/10 times arent doing any sabotage. They hopefully will in the future, but if theyre still memeing about it, either they're out of the scene (some oldfags make memes and stuff, its great) or they have yet to really take it seriously. It's pretty larpy overall but that doesnt mean the larp doesnt cost companies tons of money... for more active stuff for some reason ALF is bigger on praxis and stuff these days. And indigenous issues have taken the limelight, not like they havent always been important though but right now its hard to not talk about eco stuff without also talking about indigenous rights. In the americas at least. Germany is on some cool shit. UK is on some hella stupid shit. In france and shit there's some petty vandalism of the grid. Its kinda stupid, and the punishment is huge because the governments are super scared of the damage that could be caused, but its always someone shutting off the power for like a day max, or just cutting the ethernet to a town. It gets repaired in like hours to a week, depending. Its lame as hell. ITS are fucking retards.
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>>1330216 it doesn't make much sense as a political theory, There's no post-political human society. All nihilist, individualist and antisocial political movements are just fads and lifestylists

Drugs Unders Socialism Anonymous 04/04/2021 (Sun) 05:19:38 No. 1332224 [Reply]
How liberal are yall with drugs? Hard prohibition, some drugs (alcohol, weed, etc.) or, full legalization and regulation? Also it's been a minute and I'm pretty bored should I smoke some Salvia tonight comrades? It's kinda fun afterwards but during I feel like I made some sort of cosmic mistake.
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>>1332266 The US doesn't have high culture of alcohol is widely seen as just cheap beer
>>1332224 Under capitalism full legalization and regulation to protect people from exploitative cartels. Under socialism no prohibition of anything that doesn't harm others. Addiction is a capitalist disease.
>>1332274 you have it the reversed. capitalism legalizes drugs to profit off of vice socialism removes harmful aspects from society
>>1332278 Capitalism doesn't need to legalize drugs to profit.
>>1332224 The question of legalizing drugs is idealist. People don't obey laws, especially not the ones about drugs. Prohibition can be effective, but only if material efforts make it harder to get drugs. Bourgeois law is obsessed with legal status in a hopeless attempt to make reality conform to an ideal. Socialist society should settle the question what chemicals are harmful and what actions the state should take to reduce exposure. >Are you on team restrictive or team permissive. We can make all drugs legal but make you jump through so many hoops to get some that they might as well be banned. We can outlaw all drugs and make enforcement so lax and ineffective that they might as well be allowed. It's hollow political presentationism.

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The ROad to Civil War Anonymous 04/04/2021 (Sun) 15:46:13 No. 1332272 [Reply]
>At least six civilians, including some who had been wounded, were arrested by the military regime’s forces during the clashes with villagers in Yinmabin Township, Sagaing Region on Friday. >The clashes started about 4 a.m. Friday near the Thapyayaye village in the township after villagers had conducted a defensive action against nearly 100 military troops approaching the village for a raid. >Local residents claimed that the military regime’s forces attempted to attack the village because some of villagers and village’s monk have been leading anti-regime protests in the township. >In the morning, the military’s forces in the battle were reinforced with about 100 more troops. Meanwhile, hundreds of villagers from more than three dozen other villages from Yinmabin Township and Kani Township arrived to help the civilian forces fighting against the junta’s gunmen. >In the defensive action, villagers used homemade percussion lock firearms and homemade gas pressure guns firing glass or steel balls. They faced military troops using live rounds of ammunition. >“We must fight back against them, if not, our generation will face a worse situation than us. They have no laws,” a neighborhood villager who battled the regime’s forces for Thapyayaye village, told The Irrawaddy. >Local villagers said that in the afternoon, the military troops retreated into the forests after facing the combined offensive by several villages. >“We don’t know exactly how to decide to go forward. We have never seen such kinds of clashes between the military’s troops and villagers before,” a resident of Thapyayaye village told The Irrawaddy on Friday. >According to that resident, many older people and children have fled their homes in the village in fear of the military troops. >“We have no proper weapons, but despite that we want to resist the military regime. I would like to request ethnic armed forces to help us,” a resident of Yinmabin Township, who is one of those organizing anti-regime demonstrations in the township, told The Irrawaddy. >After the military regime used live rounds, hand grenades and explosives while conducting weeks of deadly crackdowns on peaceful anti-regime demonstrations, protesters across Myanmar are responding with defensive actions by using traditional homemade firearms, homemade gas pressure guns, handmade bows and arrows and Molotov cocktails. >Villagers have also conducted an offensive against the military junta’s forces going to Kale town in Sagaing Region for four days beginning Monday. Reinforcement troops sent to help regime forces attacking the town were met by the villagers using traditional homemade percussion lock firearms at a site 15 miles away from the town. >During clashes between March 30 and April 1, about five villagers were killed by the junta’s forces. Another villager was killed by security forces while he was at his home, local residents told The Irrawaddy. >Also, 11 other protesters were killed by military regime gunfire during the crackdown against the anti-regime protests in the town. >During the recent clashes in the township, military forces used lives rounds, machine guns, hand grenades and bomb launchers to attack civilians resisting them, according to the residents of Kale. >On Friday, Myanmar also saw two more deaths at the hands of military regime forces. A 26-year-old policeman, who had been participating the nationwide civil disobedience movement, was shot dead by the junta’s forces during an attack on residents in Tamu Town, Sagaing Region about 2 a.m. >In addition, Ma Su Su Kyi, an employee of the Yangon branch of South Korea’s Shinhan Bank, died in hospital Friday morning. She had been shot in the head by the regime’s forces while traveling home in an office car on March 31.

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Anonymous 03/31/2021 (Wed) 14:28:13 No. 1331752 [Reply] [Last]
Did this board die? Where did everyone go
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>>1332235 >The ESS JAY DOUBLE JEW boogeyman again. No one on this board is anti-racist but pro-capitalist. And I don't know what to tell you if you're spooked enough to believe that the Black Panthers didn't think racism played no part in the plight of blacks.
>>1332237 *didn't think racism played any part in the plight of blacks.
>>1332235 >a) the endless pointless wild goose chase of magically mindwiping every instance of wrongthink from every "racist" whatever that's supposed to mean in the universe, eliminating racial inequality to ensure everyone is equally oppressed by porky, Ah yes, like a typical crypto-fash you think stopping police from enslaving black proles via the drug war and stopping police from executing them in the street a la George Floyd is "ensuring everyone is equally oppressed by porky". The more you talk, the more /pol/ comes out of you.
>>1332240 Racial politics you're promoting is closer to pol then anything You just replaced Aryan with POC
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>>1332241 >Racial politics you're promoting is closer to pol then anything >You just replaced Aryan with POC

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Anonymous 04/02/2021 (Fri) 21:35:05 No. 1331986 [Reply]
Should we be worried about Islams power in Europe?
banned for /pol/
0/10 bait, try harder next time On an unrelated topic, tho, just because it triggers mah 'tism: >dat pic I'm not a fan of Popper or anything, and can point to plenty of things he said on politics that I disagree with. But it's worth noting that the "paradox of tolerance" SJWs parade around today, in a pathetic attempt to justify their insane anti-intellectualism, is born of a willfully dishonest misrepresentation of what Popper was saying here, because no reputable philosopher of historical note has ever uttered something so blatantly nonsensical. The FULLER CONTEXT of that quote was: >Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal. tl;dr: reelz>feelz & words=/=violence
>>1331986 why do you retards insist that Islam is uniquely evil compared to any other religion? You realise how inconsistent it is right?
>>1332016 when I look at the world today I truly see people swayed by rational argument and not idiots who would kick a stranger's head in because of a facebook meme so blurry from a million screenshots that it's barely legible your own "context" only proves even more the interpretation you dislike
>>1332198 Probably because muzzies, both in their home countries and in (highly ghettoized enclaves of) those they've moved to report shockingly regressive views compared to any other religion today when polled. Basically, they right now are ideologically where other religions were centuries ago. Granted, much of the blame for this lies in NATO backing MENA-region fundies and undermining MENA-region secularists/Westernizers during the Cold War. >>1332226 >facebook meme Gosh, a highly censored site, of a category of sites (social media) that are constructed of opaque manipulative filterbubbles, on a modern Internet dominated by them? Quite a shocker people who use them would tend to act like that.

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Anonymous 03/30/2021 (Tue) 09:45:54 No. 1331625 [Reply]
What's going to happen to you if we achieve Communism in your lifetime? What are you going to do anon?
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We will all starve because communism is shite.
Undergo removal of dick and balls and identify as a eunuch
Die with more regrets that I was too old to help in the revolution and to grow up in that new world.
>>1331625 Wake up
Enjoy a little more freetime. Be content knowing my fellow man is cared for

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The future is Fascist and yes it's your fault Anonymous 04/02/2021 (Fri) 20:45:19 No. 1331981 [Reply]
We all know Biden isn't Socialist or Leftist, nor is the Democrat Party, even Bernie, Socialist. But they're basically calling themselves Leftists, they've claimed Leftism and libs are there for them The Working class, regardless of their race, isn't gonna buy your "That wasn't real Communism" after the Dems fuck up. And if you guys give even a little bit of ear to shit like intersectionality and any other Vox talking points that Dems are claiming, you ain't gonna make it If the Dems are to lose control at any point, it's either Nazism or total collapse. There is no future for Communism I'm moving to the Andes
k bye
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>>1331983 That strategy has never worked You need people with jobs and families to be leftist, not teenage lumpens & trustfund kiddoes that'll drop their pseudopolitical pretensions like a hot potato when they graduate to real life.
>>1332134 This, communism is just being used as a rebellious identity to stick it to their Gen X parents. In the exact same way Gen X played with atheist and even Satanic ideology (see Heavy Metal for an example) and how even Boomers used Rock and Roll counter culture to impotently rebel against their parents. As soon as these zoomers get their student debt forgiven, they'll turn in to bog standard Republicans, mark my words.
>>1332197 Loads of gen x'ers never stopped being atheist tho. Like that really doesn't seem to have changed that much unless you just look at current gen x'ers with the assumption that at some imagined point in the past all gen x'ers were atheists. >>1332140 The youngest millennials are like 26 now. They aren't a college kid demographic, they just live (vaguely) like it because of a poor economy with reduced opportunities and buying power. The oldest millennials are getting on 40. If conditions allowed for them to "grow out of it" more might, but there's been a lot less income mobility - for instance, it's more difficult to become a professional shareholder when you have no money to invest and nobody is hiring for even basic bitch jobs. A political rightward shift would accompany a mass shift upwards in income, but without this it's less likely to happen. >>1331981 Dems don't claim to be communist, afaik. Maybe some do. But largely they don't, and the people who call Dems communists are usually pretty far up their own asses. Tbh it's less likely to be "Biden fails, Fascism comes in and prevails" than "Biden succeeds, Fascism comes in and prevails." Nazism is unlikely to make a comeback, but an ethnically pluralist fascism doesn't seem that unlikely - I think Dems and the GOP are both heading towards being on the same page about AuthCap.
>>1332140 >You need people with jobs and families to be leftist, not teenage lumpens & trustfund kiddoes that'll drop their pseudopolitical pretensions like a hot potato when they graduate to real life. This
The present already is fascist. You have corporations towing the party line of blaming the undesirable for all the problems, and everyone agrees how based and good those corporations who change their twitter icon to support some idpol movement or another are. We are already there, this is 21st century fascism.

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Socialist Hawaii Anonymous 03/23/2021 (Tue) 04:35:21 No. 1330149 [Reply] [Last]
With Hawaii verging on UBI, and considering universal healthcare again, when do you suppose we will see a full socialist Hawaii (nationalized means of production and all)? And how can we further the push for this?
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Anyone else live on hawaii island?
>>1331910 I live on Maui.
>>1331910 Yeah, big island.
>>1331917 That's what I meant lol.

News 4/3/21 News Anon 3.0 04/03/2021 (Sat) 18:43:32 No. 1332092 [Reply]
‘Kill the Bill’: Londoners march against proposed law that would give police more powers to crack down on public protests (VIDEOS) The protests were held in 25 cities across England and Wales, including London. People marched from the capital's Hyde Park with placards saying 'Protect our rights' and 'Kill the Bill,' referring to the controversial proposed legislation, known as the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill. https://on.rt.com/b59w Myanmar death toll mounts amid protests, military crackdown Security forces in central Myanmar opened fire on anti-coup protesters on Saturday, killing at least two people according to local media. A human rights group said mounting violence since the Feb. 1 military takeover has killed at least 550 civilians. https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-asia-pacific-yangon-myanmar-c3482cd4d1e0685f1453eaddab2de204 Human rights platforms condemn Haitian neighborhood massacre 'Some people were injured, houses were burned down, but it is so hard right now to provide a real figure,' said Pierre Esperance, head of the National Network in Defense of Human Rights, before noting that many people were forced to leave the area. https://www.plenglish.com/index.php?o=rn&id=65945&SEO=human-rights-platforms-condemn-haitian-neighborhood-massacre IMF Calls for Taxing World's Richest to Curb Inequality, Stave Off Social Unrest If governments don't close the gap between society's richest and poorest members—which was growing before and has exploded during the coronavirus crisis—by raising wages for low-income workers, taxing wealthy households, and using the increased revenue to improve social welfare, they should expect diminished trust in government and increased social polarization and unrest. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/04/01/imf-calls-taxing-worlds-richest-curb-inequality-stave-social-unrest Turkish fascists attack Kurdish association in Lyon, injuring 4

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Housing advocates say evictions are continuing at 'full steam,' despite a federal ban Interviews with renters, legal aid attorneys, housing experts and affordable housing advocates at the state, local and national level show a process that can be subject to the whims of local politics or geography. Depending on the courtroom, a judge hearing eviction cases might ignore the ban, questioning the federal government’s authority to implement it. Other judges have questioned whether the order applies to tenants on month-to-month leases. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/housing-advocates-say-evictions-are-continuing-full-steam-despite-federal-n1262943 CNN analyst fears Americans may ‘enjoy freedoms’ without getting Covid jabs, unless Biden ties re-openings to vaccination “We need to make it clear to them that the vaccine is the ticket back to pre-pandemic life,” said Wen, who was previously president of Planned Parenthood, the largest US abortion provider. “Because otherwise, if everything is reopened, then what's the carrot going to be?” Wen asked. “How are we going to incentivize people to actually get the vaccine?” https://on.rt.com/b593 Texas GOP congressional candidate on Chinese immigrants: 'I don't want them here at all' Kim, who is Korean American, said of Chinese immigrants, "I don’t want them here at all," while speaking at the forum on Wednesday. "They steal our intellectual property, they give us coronavirus, they don’t hold themselves accountable.” https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-gop-congressional-candidate-chinese-immigrants-i-don-t-want-n1262912 SOLDIER SAYS SHE WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY 22 TROOPS AT OKLAHOMA BASE The investigation, according to a military official with direct knowledge, is scrutinizing allegations of multiple assaults against the soldier by 22 service members. Video of one incident under investigation involving several drill sergeants was circulating at the base and was obtained by Army investigators, the official said. https://theintercept.com/2021/04/02/female-soldier-sexual-assault-22-troops-fort-sill/ Drone war whistleblower Daniel Hale pleads guilty to one count of violating the Espionage Act

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What a Hell of a Way to Die:Contractually Speaking, the War Cannot End This week, Nate and Francis discuss a recent CNN article that examines how the U.S. Government might be on the hook for billions of dollars in settlements or lawsuits if the war in Afghanistan ends on time. Why? Because the DOD has kept issuing contracts for services in Afghanistan that extend to 2026 and in some cases beyond. The CNN article is here: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/29/politics/pentagon-contractors-afghanistan/index.html https://soundcloud.com/hellofawaytodie/contractually-speaking-the-war-cannot-end ‘Commies with guns’: Second Amendment is racially motivated, says ultra left-wing pro-gun group The Socialist Rifle Association is steadily coming to prominence and has a fascinating take on gun culture in the US. They view owning firearms as on a par with providing disaster relief and feeding the homeless. It’s a side of the debate that most of the world has never heard. The pro-gun lobby is the domain of right-wing, conservative Republicans in America. Or is it? The Socialist Rifle Association is everything the stereotypical gun community isn't, apart from their steadfast commitment to bear arms. Since forming in 2018, they now claim to have over 10,000 members, including in every single US state. Speaking to RT.com, the group’s communications director Lucas Hubbard said: “Commies with guns has always been a thing, we just don’t flaunt it like the right does.” https://on.rt.com/b58n “Wipe out China!” US-funded Uyghur activists train as gun-toting foot soldiers for empire Cultivated by the US government as human rights activists, Uyghur American Association leaders partner with far-right lawmakers and operate a militia-style gun club that trains with ex-US special forces. On March 21, US-government-funded Uyghur activists were caught on video disrupting a gathering against anti-Asian racism in Washington DC, barking insults at demonstrators including, “Wipe out China!” and “Fuck China!” The Uyghur caravan flew American and “East Turkestan” flags and drove vehicles adorned signs bearing slogans such as, “We Love USA,” “Boycott China,” and “CCP killed 80 million Chinese people.” Organized by the Uyghur American Association (UAA), the drive-by heckling of anti-racist demonstrators drew widespread condemnation on social media, including from other sections of the Uyghur separatist movement. Salih Hudayar, the self-proclaimed “Prime Minister of the East Turkistan Government-in-Exile,” slammed “the UAA’s reckless drive-by” for causing “severe backlash against Uyghurs,” and insisted that Uyghur Americans were “not racist.” https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/31/china-uyghur-gun-soldiers-empire/
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Is this book worth reading? Anonymous 04/02/2021 (Fri) 17:23:05 No. 1331954 [Reply]
I know it is somewhat significant but apparently Lukacs himself believes he made a rookie mistake when talking about alienation. Does that undermine the whole work or is it nonetheless solid?
>>1331954 i like the part where he goes back and changes stuff from 30 years ago
>>1331954 >he made a rookie mistake when talking about alienation notice alien races in star wars have all stupid goofy ass looking, only humans are serious. that's pretty telling.
>>1331961 May the labor value be with you.
>>1331961 i laugh
>>1331954 It is an important book. He does develop the idea of how the proletariat can acquire a class consciousness, similarly to Gramsci's concept of catharsis

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