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Yes, experts will lie to you sometimes Anonymous 03/30/2021 (Tue) 04:49:29 No. 1331616 [Reply]
https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/yes-experts-will-lie-to-you-sometimes Econ gives us an example of when and why this happens. The other day I saw Yascha Mounk tweet something about experts lying to the public: >Twitter avatar for @Yascha_Mounk >Yascha Mounk @Yascha_Mounk >From the initial hesitance to admit that masks work to the current hesitance to admit that the first dose of the vaccine gives you very strong protection against Covid, the whole pandemic has been a year-long demonstration of why the Noble Lie never works in practice. >March 23rd 2021 Now, this might seem like a wild accusation. Did experts really lie, or is this an exaggeration — a moral panic by people who are inclined to distrust experts in the first place? Well, no, actually they really did lie: According to Anthony Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease expert and a key member of the White House coronavirus task force, masks weren’t advised to the public from the start because of the anticipated PPE shortages…

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>>1331616 In other words, America as whole — not just some workers inside America — might actually be hurt by allowing a country like China into the WTO! Maybe economists didn’t mention this possibility because they thought it was unlikely. Or maybe they decided that making the world better off as a whole — i.e., lifting hundreds of millions of Chinese people out of poverty — is more important than Americans’ parochial concerns for their own country’s welfare. But that was their own judgement call and moral opinion; by not telling Americans that multilateral trade agreements might be worse off, economists were deceptive. In fact, it has long been an open secret within the economics profession that the simplistic pro-trade case being made to the public intentionally hid the more complex reality. Dani Rodrik, in his 2016 book “Economics Rules: The Rights and Wrongs of the Dismal Science”, writes: Economists’ contributions in public can…look radically different from their discussions in the seminar room…in public, the tendency is to close ranks and support…free trade…[For example,] the most vociferous advocate of free trade in the profession, Jagdish Bhagwati, owes his academic reputation to a series of models that showed how free trade could leave a nation worse off. Why did economists do this? Why did they leave out “winners and losers”, trade diversion, and all the modern complex models that show ways free trade could have substantial downsides? The answer is right there in Mankiw’s column. Economists believed that the people couldn’t handle the truth: In the case of international trade, three [popular] biases…are most salient…The first is an anti-foreign bias. People tend to view their own country in competition with other nations and underestimate the benefits of dealing with foreigners…The second is an anti-market bias. People tend to underestimate the benefits of the market mechanism…The third is a make-work bias. People tend to underestimate the benefit from conserving on labor[.] In other words, economists believed that if they told the public the complex truth, they’d be activating deep-seated irrationalities among the hoi polloi. Instead of revealing what econ really says about free trade — that it offers huge opportunities but also real dangers and drawbacks — they decided to push a simplified fable in order to push back against what they saw as society’s innate tendency toward protectionism. They decided America couldn’t handle the truth. And to be fair to the economists here…were they wrong? When the free trade consensus among policymaking elites finally collapsed, it came not in the form of subtle nuanced thinking; it came in the form of Donald Trump. Trump did all the dumb and dangerous stuff that economists were so afraid of — he railed against foreigners, he started fights with allies, he resorted to tariffs that ended up hurting U.S. consumers, and he failed to bring jobs back to America or save American manufacturing. It was exactly what Mankiw feared. But that might not justify the deception. Had economists been up front about the nuances and complexities and uncertainties of trade policy from day one, smart policymakers might have been able to get a head start on crafting smart ways to minimize the risks and harms. Instead, when the break with free trade came, it came in the form of a belligerent xenophobic idiotic populist, because that was the only person who could break through the complacent pro-free-trade consensus that economists’ reassurances had created among the American elite. Maybe it didn’t have to be that way.

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>>1331617 >Think of them as an overprotective parent, not as an enemy. Noah Smith is our class enemy.
I remember that Noah Smith getting dunked on in Robert Vienneau's blog and other places a decade ago or so. He made a list of metaphors for economists, like MMT is like Daleks or something. It was completely random and free of content, but for a reader who got no familiarity with the economics "discussed" in that piece, it can look like something that must be very witty but just goes over your head. It just has this superficial appearance of intelligence. This is a style he has mastered. The key ingredient to this technique is that his audience must be as clueless as him. He has written a ton of stuff since then and read almost nothing. Now he writes about China without speaking Chinese and apparently without even ever having been there. He's already on Carl Zha's radar on Twitter. Noah Smith is proof that you can make it just with steady output, even if you are dumb as shit and have no idea what you are talking about.

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Anonymous 03/16/2021 (Tue) 08:09:53 No. 1329200 [Reply]
Is any of you nationalist? Or are you all internationalist cosmopolitans who want to destroy nations and nation states?
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>>1329260 no, it's hot
It depends on what you mean. In a modern context "internationalism" is just neoliberalism. In that way, building a state outside of the current world order is a necessity, but at the end of the day I'm not spooked by some supposed ontological ideal of nationalism. Almost all of the problems rightoids have with """globalism""" is a direct result of neoliberalism
>>1329369 Reimu could be doing her taxes and it would be hot, zero arguments detected
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>>1329200 >Is any of you nationalist? Im not a nationalist, but I do feel atached to certain aspects of my culture, my language, my bio-region or my people. >internationalist Depends on how do you define it, if it implies globalization and cosmopolitanism as we understand it today then no, but if you mean solidarty with people and fights from other countries of course. >cosmopolitans No >who want to destroy nations I dont want to destroy them, I simply acknowledge the fact that they will eventually be destroyed, but that doesn´t mean I wont go out kicking and screaming. >nation states? Now we are talking! Of course I want to destroy nation-states, but not so much for the nation as for the state. Plus I really hate the identification of ethno-cultural communities with states, why cant I be confortable and proud of my identity without linking it to the fucking state? I dont need a state to be Castillan!
>>1329211 >>1329284 >I'm internationalist. >I oppose the traditional nationalism that pits nations against one another and I oppose cosmopolitanism that is dissolving my nation. I want free cooperation as equals. QFT Internationalism is and always was the socialist position >>1331097 >In a modern context "internationalism" is just neoliberalism Nah, the word porky uses for themselves is "globalism" or sometimes "transnationalism", which makes sense given the radically different meanings of internationalism. Though, especially in the '90s, there has been an "alter-globalist" movement spanning various mostly leftist anti-neolib ideologies, mostly along the lines of what >>1329234 says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alter-globalism

News 3/29/21 News Anon 3.0 03/29/2021 (Mon) 18:33:01 No. 1331511 [Reply]
Economist who pulled Albania out of 1997 anarchy dead at 58 The former prime minister’s family and his governing Socialist party said Fino died Monday in a hospital, where he had been treated for several days after contracting COVID-19. The government declared Monday a day of national mourning, with flags flying at half-staff. https://apnews.com/article/tirana-albania-coronavirus-pandemic-a761ccab020bf037c1273950de5cd669 Labor rights leader shot dead in Laguna A union leader and longtime labor rights activist was killed in the province of Laguna on Sunday, March 28, 3 weeks after the "Bloody Sunday" raids that left 9 activists dead in the Calabarzon region. Calamba City Police said Dandy Miguel was gunned down by a still unidentified man while riding his motorcycle in Barangay Canlubang around 8:45 pm. https://www.rappler.com/nation/labor-rights-leader-dandy-miguel-killed-laguna-march-28-2021 https://archive.is/CpRmL Bolivian rights activist slams ‘hypocrisy’ of US over Anez case Miriam Amancay Colque of the Bartolina Sisa Resistance said the US complained of far-right white supremacists storming the Capitol in Washington but supported their counterparts in Bolivia. She slammed Washington’s support for the Anez regime of “fascists, racists, looters, arsonists and torturers. https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/bolivian-rights-activist-slams-hypocrisy-us-over-anez-case PM Oli-led CPN-UML suspends senior leader Madhav Nepal, Vice-chair Rawal from party Prime Minister K P Sharma Oli-led ruling Communist Party of Nepal-Unified Marxist Leninist (CPN-UML) has suspended senior party leaders Madhav Kumar Nepal and Bhim Rawal, accusing them of carrying out anti-party activities. In two separate letters issued to former prime minister Madhav Nepal and Vice-chairperson Rawal, the party said that they had been suspended from the party’s membership for six months. https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/pm-oliled-cpnuml-suspends-senior-leader-madhav-nepal-vicechair-rawal-from-party/2055511 https://archive.is/hG6Ww

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Jurors shown video at ex-officer’s trial in Floyd’s death The video of George Floyd gasping for breath was front and center Monday as the former Minneapolis police officer who pressed his knee on the Black man’s neck went on trial Monday on charges of murder and manslaughter. https://apnews.com/article/derek-chauvin-trial-live-updates-7423d17dfc00daa660fce0b35b87a163 New lawsuit challenges Georgia’s GOP-backed election law A group of civil rights and advocacy organizations including the Georgia NAACP have filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging Georgia’s new Republican-backed election law, which includes new restrictions on mail voting and gives the state legislature more control over the administration of elections. https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-legislature-georgia-state-elections-lawsuits-c891cbbe5075b183835b945e16bd759a Bowman Blames Decades of US Capitalism, Imperialism for Flow of Asylum-Seekers "The best we can do is implement a 21st century Marshall Plan and help to rebuild Central America in the same ways that we have destroyed it," Bowman continued. "We wanted their land and their natural resources, and we were engaged in coup d'etats and other behaviors in those areas in order to do so. Now we have to right our wrongs." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/29/bowman-blames-decades-us-capitalism-imperialism-flow-asylum-seekers Florida Republicans considering new election bill that would effectively ban giving voters water State law currently prohibits campaigning within 100 feet of polling locations, but an elections bill introduced last week, H.B. 7041, expands that zone to 150 feet and includes a prohibition on giving “any item” to voters or “interacting or attempting to interact” with voters within that zone. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/florida-republicans-considering-new-election-bill-would-effectively-ban-giving-n1262297 Michigan Republican Party leader “jokes” about killing Democrats, anti-Trump Republicans

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Joe Biden Is Killing the Iran Nuclear Deal Joe Biden, Obama’s former vice president and by all appearances a stalwart JCPOA supporter. In a CNN op-ed during last year’s presidential campaign, Biden lambasted Trump for his Iran policy, which Biden termed a “dangerous failure.” He promised to “offer Tehran a credible path back to diplomacy” that included a return to the JCPOA. For anyone frustrated by the Trump administration’s efforts to forestall diplomacy with Iran, these remarks were welcome. In hindsight, though, it seems the seeds of our current stalemate were already apparent. In that same CNN piece, Biden wrote that “if Iran returns to strict compliance with the nuclear deal, the United States would rejoin the agreement as a starting point for follow-on negotiations. With our allies, we will work to strengthen and extend the nuclear deal’s provisions, while also addressing other issues of concern.” In other words, it did matter who went first, and Biden would also insist on immediate negotiations to expand the JCPOA. The problem with Biden’s position — as laid out in the CNN piece and as pursued by his administration thus far — is that it fails completely to understand Iran’s position. It was the United States that unilaterally violated the JCPOA in 2018. Every subsequent breach by Iran has been a response to the United States’ decision — and has even arguably been permitted under the JCPOA’s terms. To insist that the United States will only rejoin the JCPOA “if Iran returns to strict compliance” is to demand that Iran not only appease the party that destroyed the agreement in the first place, but that it trust the United States to revive the agreement when it has shown that it cannot be trusted. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/03/iran-nuclear-deal-biden-administration-jcpoa Vaccine nationalism: A capitalist disorder As the COVID-19 pandemic drags into its second year, it continues to expose and intensify the contradictions of world capitalism. The madness of vaccine nationalism clearly demonstrates that a system based on private property, and the division of the world into antagonistic nation-states, is not equipped to deal with a viral threat that has no respect for borders, profit margins, or narrow nationalist interests. By hoarding and squabbling over vaccines in a race to immunise their own populations first, the richest countries are risking countless lives and costing their economies trillions of dollars. Meanwhile, the virus continues to circulate and mutate in poorer countries, risking the emergence of new, more transmissible, and deadlier strains. https://www.socialist.net/vaccine-nationalism-a-capitalist-disorder.htm 'Til Kingdom Come: How Christian evangelicals fuel chaos in Palestine In the Evangelical Christmas Lutheran Church in Bethlehem, Reverend Munther Isaac sits on a bench alongside Pastor Boyd Bingham IV, a Christian Evangelical pastor from a small American town, to discuss Christian Evangelicals and their role in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. "Evangelicals have contributed very negatively to this conflict because they are obsessed with prophecy," Isaac, a Palestinian Christian, tells Bingham, a hardline Christian Zionist from the Binghamtown Baptist Church in Middlesboro, Kentucky. "See, what I don't get about many American evangelicals: in their scenario, Jews will either be converted to Christianity one day, those who won't sadly will be massacred - that is the prophetic understanding. Somehow, this is perceived as a theology that supports the Jewish people. "To me, that is a twisted logic: the idea that God is bringing the Jews back to their land. But what is often missing is the Palestinian presence; it is as if you speak of an empty land. We have been at the receiving end of a theology that actually told us we don't belong here, that even told us we are second-class citizens in our homeland," Isaac adds, as Bingham looks on. Their conversation is one of a series of remarkably incisive scenes in'Til Kingdom Come, a new documentary about the poorly understood and often underplayed bond between the Israeli right-wing and American Christian evangelicals. Directed by Maya Zinshtein, an Emmy-award-winning Israeli filmmaker, the documentary is an eyewitness journey into the fanatical world of the Christian Zionist movement in the United States as it unfolded feverishly during the Donald Trump presidency. https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-christian-evangelicals-fuel-chaos
SAY THE WORDS EVERYONE! SAY IT
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Anonymous 01/18/2021 (Mon) 20:30:06 No. 1296958 [Reply] [Last]
What if Fukuyama is right and it's actually just going to be variations of liberal democracy for the rest of eternity
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>>1331391 >Marx failed to consider mind control technology. theorylet mistake, Marx did consider that: >The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01b.htm
>>1331391 >>1331399 >mind control technology As in advertising or in 50s sci-fi?
>>1331586 as in reality
>>1331399 Marx failed to consider the existence of hentai, checkmate marxists
>>1329993 good post i like it

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Anonymous 03/13/2021 (Sat) 07:57:44 No. 1328789 [Reply]
Ludwig Feuerbach was an anthropological imperialist for historiography of religion and you can't change my mind. Go and try.
how does one imperialize an academic field? did he sail his gunboats down the spine of a book? silly meme ideologies
Ok. But his work contributed to the formation of Marxist materialism. Rousseau was bourgeois Smith and Ricardo were bourgeois So we can't take them as they are with the benefits in ideas they have given?
>>1328792 >how does one imperialize an academic field? did he sail his gunboats down the spine of a book? Yes, that just shows how much of a chad he was. >silly meme ideologies Hey! Our decolonization of south african thought is just working fine. Within the decade, we will be able to call down lightning bolts with the same reliability as a rifle fire bullets.

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Was Dzherzhinsky an Aeon? Anonymous 02/19/2021 (Fri) 23:31:49 No. 1324209 [Reply]
>...I should like so much to perceive the beauty in nature, in people, in what they create, to delight in them, to perfect myself, because beauty and goodness are like two sisters. The asceticism that has fallen to my lot is so alien to me. I would like to be a father and put into the soul of a young creature everything good that is on the earth, to see how the rays of my love for it would produce a luxuriant blossom of the human soul.... >... Like a flower, the human soul unconsciously imbibes the rays of the sun and longs eternally for it, for its light; it fades and shrivels when evil shades off the light Our vigour and faith in a better future for mankind is built on this striving of every human soul towards the sunlight, and so there should never be hopelessness.... The evil genius of mankind today is hypocrisy: love in words, but in practice – a merciless struggle to exist, to achieve so-called “happiness,” to make a career.... To be a ray of light for others, to irradiate light, is the greatest happiness a man can achieve. Then a man does not fear suffering or death, misfortune or need. Then a man ceases to fear death, although only then he does really learn to love life. Only then will he walk on the earth with his eyes open, seeing, hearing and understanding everything, only then will he emerge from his narrow shell into the light and feel the joys and sufferings of all mankind; only then will he be a real man.
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fedoras completely destroyed
What an absolute unit. Aeon or not, the man was based beyond belief. Despite the nature of his work, Felix wished for the horrors of the Terror to be ended as soon as it was practical, so he even btfo'd the edgelords.
Sickeningly liberal and I hate him.
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Anonymous 03/29/2021 (Mon) 20:39:21 No. 1331537 [Reply]
Not to blow my own trumpet but my wit and humour is beyond anything the chuds on 4chan have. Is there anyway I can get sponsored? I can hear these guys a new hole. WARNING: I do use some politically incorrect slurs in this thread but only because they either do t like it...or because it's something they can relate to. I can easily (and would prefer to) not use the slurs. https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/314233623#p314244391 They literally got nothing I can't hear them apart with.
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>>1331537 Other thread was deleted. But I started another bait thread. Behold https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/314248280
Fine. I'll take my super skills where they are wanted
Was only trying to help our cause and get paid At the same time as I left my job because of the bigotry
>>1331537 Engaging them is a waste of time. They WANT to feel like the supposed globohomo-LGBT-Jewish-Islamo-Whatever cabal is keeping them from rolling in white pussy. They have zero capacity for self-reflection.

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Есть тут кто ещё? Если да, то го в тред обсуждать наших калек))

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Leftypol Wiki is now live Anonymous 03/29/2021 (Mon) 10:36:15 No. 1331464 [Reply]
https://leftypol.wiki The base material is a lost XML dump of a long-deleted wiki that leftypol once raided with articles, and used those articles. Have a lot of wiki backups and was happy to find that. This is a continuation of a previous thread where I said I wanted to make a wiki but not called it leftypol, but decided to anyway. It has links to all the leftypol chans on it's home page. .
>leftypol wiki number 18478247 >still no classcuck article AHEM. Classcuck A working-class person who is in denial about at least one of the following: #the very existence of any division between the interests of workers and bosses #their own current position in society as a member of the working class #the low probability that they will be somebody's boss at some point in the future (they tend to see the social hierarchy not as a pyramid, but as a cylinder where anybody who isn't very lazy or very stupid can just rise and rise and rise over time)
>>1331466 it's open edit .............................................................................................................................................................................................

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Indiacom general /ig/ Anonymous 03/28/2021 (Sun) 03:45:20 No. 1331271 [Reply]
jokerbros rise up
Indians where you at

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