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What studies for a revolutionary ? Anonymous 03/23/2021 (Tue) 08:37:03 No. 1330201 [Reply]
I am french, uni is almost free there. I am actually attempting universities and i hesitate between differents degrees. I don't know wich one select between Philosophy, Geography and Computer Science. Wich degrees between these could be useful in a revolution ?
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If you want to make money: computer stuff. If you want to get skilled for socialism: computer stuff. If you are interested in philosophy: computer stuff.
>>1330910 How can computer science can get me skilled with philosophy and socialism ? I understand for the part of making money but not the 2 others.
>>1330956 Everything will be one big "company" and we will need software for organizing the material flows.
>>1331082 So you basically want to live in a centralized technocracy ?

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Rent is Slavery, Landlords are Slaveowners Anonymous 02/09/2021 (Tue) 02:49:38 No. 1319511 [Reply]
Rent control is like asking a slaveowner if you can work 8 hours instead of 12. >YOU'RE STILL A SLAVE! It's time to end renting permanently by eliminating landlords who gobble up housing. Imagine a world where houses can be bought and sold quickly and affordably. Why do we need landlords to handle the relationship between local and bank officials? It's 2021 FFS. >bUt WhErE wIlL pEoPlE lIvE In the houses that landlords were forced to sell > BuT wHaT aBoUt ApArTmEnTs AnD MaLlS aNd ComMeRcIal? They're called HOAs aren't they? Commercial tenants can all be brought together to be shared owners in the same way a HOA operates. Or better yet they can all agree to outsource to some management company. Call Landlords what they are: SLAVE OWNERS
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rentoids gonna rent
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>>1319511 Its not slavery if the slave agrees to be a slave.
>>1325747 Irrelevant
>purityfagging "Nobody should eat until everyone's full" is my favorite line from Xavier: Renegade Angel, and it's applicable here. Yeah, great, you can identify policies as not being enough. But a movement that can only pooh-pooh anything but revolution will have a hard time getting popular support for their revolution. People tend to like you more when you can prove yourself capable of even basic reforms.
>1325747 It’s not slavery because it isn’t the lump sum purchase of a person’s labor in perpetuity, anymore than buying food is slavery to the producers. Privately owning and then leasing land/housing is an unnecessary institution for distributing housing, but it isn’t slavery. The word has a sense to it of an extremely low category of servitude. Wage labor is however the blatant institutional piecemeal sale of one’s labor. It is much closer to outright slavery, the wage contract grants the employer the right to direct your labor and implicitly (usually not outright declared, but it is obviously the case) appropriate the results. The wage contract claims the employer is merely buying your labor services and the right to direct them, but clearly the right to direct labor and appropriation of the results are separate things. This is also clearly seen in tort law, whereby an employee can be sued for a negligent tort (an industrial accident for instance) because they are considered ultimately responsible for results of actions outside the scope of the proper fulfillment of their wage contract. So the employer effectively has the implicit right to the results of all actions deemed reasonably beneficial to their business needs for the wage contract, but actions outside of that return responsibility to the agent. I think this is all pretty common sense outside of any legal argument (let alone among Marxists), but I make it anyways just because average people have a tendency to deny it out of indoctrination into the liberal order. It is common to believe that somehow the owner of the business truly does “create” the results, through their “entrepreneurship” or something, but it is a legal fact that the employment contract is the literal sale of ownership over the results of one’s labor. Whether the institutional convention of private money capital being required to fund startup costs results in some responsibility conferring to the capitalist is irrelevant to the fact that the capitalist purchases the right to responsibility for your labor from you, which is prior and continues to exist implicit in the fact that your responsibility for your labor returns to you when you either commit a negligent tort, a crime, or leave work for the day.

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this isnt bait i just want a legitimate answer Anonymous 03/26/2021 (Fri) 20:07:34 No. 1331040 [Reply]
how come 90% of the socially conservative on this fucking planet are either nonwhite, have IQs in the double digits, queer, actually xenophobic, somehow religious but wont behave in a religiously conservative fashion,or view a relationship between teenage girls and fully grown ass men as ok?
>>1331044 look into the rape and child marriage rates of any islamic state, india brazil, venezuela(99% of the population is christian) or how /pol/tards have 5 gorrillian double standards when it comes to childmarriage between teenage girls and and grown ass men and gay rights
>>1331050 >venezuela is 88% christian >why are you citing venezuela and an example of socially conservative retard thinking >what point are you even attempting to make with rape and child marriage? read the fucking title of this thread

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Anonymous 03/26/2021 (Fri) 00:40:04 No. 1330907 [Reply]
Political correctness is a poisonous ideology the upper class indoctrinates the middle class with in order to keep down the working class. Hear me out: Your average steel worker or farmer doesn't think that there are 72 genders and race is a social construct. And neither do the uber rich and CEOs of fortune 500 companies think diversity is our greatest strength, nor do they support intersectional feminism or want to tear down the white supremacist, heteronormative patriarchy. The upper class is too smart to fall for their own propaganda. It's the middle class that is gullible enough to fall for political correctness because they think it makes them good human beings. They're the literal midwit class. I don't even think the middle class greatly benefits from this phenomenon, the main beneficiary is the upper class, and the main victim is the working class. Something that exemplifies this is that liberals insisted that Jill Biden needs to be called Dr. Biden because "people who have a PhD have worked hard for it and society should honor them". Classicism to fight "sexism".
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They are social constructs yet the focus on identity comes from the individualistic mindset propagated by capitalism where the subject is viewed in a vacuum or part of a clique. Yet if we go back to the mindset of the old Soviet Bloc, what gender you identify as would for the most part be a moot point due to a focus on community.
>>1330907 >72 genders and race is a social construct. Two highly non equivalent things. Thinking they are the same is just what tr00ns want you to think. You will be treated as a uighur no matter what you do because it is immutable. You don't have to act like a faggot everywhere you go. Race as a social construct doesn't fucking mean nappy headed uighurs ate just an illusion, it means being a big lipped, wide nosed darkie has consequences that the individual did not bring upon themselves, but because of how society is ordered. Nobody wants to have the yoke of "being black" thrust upon them in addition to the burden of being a human (which people fucking doubt).
>>1330907 Political correctness is poisonous, you got that right, but race is also weaponized against the working class.
>>1330907 Yeah, you're entirely correct OP. The depressing thing is that we are entirely unable to mindfuck people on this. You just have to live in a wolrd that caters to these virtue-signaling narcissists. This here is the worst thing I've heard yet: https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/24/us/oakland-low-income-bipoc-guaranteed-income-trnd/index.html The libs in America are literally denying stimulus money to people on the basis of race these days and framing it as woke. The west is a doomed reactionary shithole and the east is the world's only hope now.
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Anonymous 02/21/2021 (Sun) 22:53:38 No. 1324755 [Reply]
was he based?
Not really, he is only remembered for his edginess.
Yes. Even Marxists can get something out of him since he inspired Lenin
>The revolutionary is a doomed man. He has no private interests, no affairs, sentiments, ties, property nor even a name of his own. His entire being is devoured by one purpose, one thought, one passion - the revolution. Heart and soul, not merely by word but by deed, he has severed every link with the social order and with the entire civilized world; with the laws, good manners, conventions, and morality of that world. He is its merciless enemy and continues to inhabit it with only one purpose - to destroy it. <t. Catechism of a Revolutionary Sounds kinda putschy to me
A shining example of putting the foot work and backing up the shit-talking.
He was based and a good inspiration but 99% of his methods and ideas are not useful. I like his Catechism tho.

The Inverse Matrix Anonymous 03/26/2021 (Fri) 02:09:50 No. 1330917 [Reply]
What if I told you that the only way to achieve fully automated, luxury, cosmic, gay communism was to put AIs in a virtual reality where they would do 100% of the necessary intellectual work without realising that their entire reality was artificial? Enter the Age of Em.
You should fuck yourself
>>1330917 His talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ix0o2iEcww is fascinating but emulations are slow. Emulated humans will think slower than meat humans that run on native hardware brains.

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Anonymous 03/25/2021 (Thu) 23:53:39 No. 1330900 [Reply]
as much as libs complain about communism being jobs assigned to you and getting set pay I would fucking love their idea of communism. >apply for job >requires experience >for an entry level position >have to take selfie vid or something similar and fucking whore yourself to basically advertise them by saying how much you LOVE them >get rejected because you didn't have three years of experience for stacking shelves >repeat I'm half tempted to go back to schooling at this point because looking for even entry-level jobs in retail or whatever is fucking miserable.
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>>1330900 >their idea of communism Was, ironically, exactly how the direct evolutionary predecessor of capitalism functioned.

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Anonymous 03/24/2021 (Wed) 14:14:25 No. 1330477 [Reply]
What are the socialist cultural policies?
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>>1330853 >Gets called "formulaic anti-art for bureaucrats" by some faggot from a degnerate country that literally funded Jackson Pollack to create schizophrenic nonsense to deradicalize workers. What workers are you talking about? Outside of academics I can't think of anyone who cared about this stuff, other than to dismiss it. And even then it is a very specific subset of academics. Which bus drivers, factory workers, farm hands, shop clerks, technicians, cleaners, or anyone thought anything besides "that's weird, it looks like a scam, why is this a thing?". >>1330500 Socialist realism looks nice, in the same way national romantic images look nice. Good people and beautiful nature, literally what any sane person wants for a society
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>>1330851 Well, you basically summed it up yourself: Most competing modern ideologies were grifts to begin with, whereas socialism has been responsible for basically every major policy reform in the past century. Add too much grift to an ideology with a real coherent agenda, and it ceases to function. Just like adding too much grift to art displaces any capacity for technical achievement and artistic merit.
Has this ever been done? I've been toying with the idea of giving my 4 yo nephew paints, some canvases and then let him do his thing, after that, I'll contact an acquaintance who knows the manager of a local art gallery and ask him if he could get my nephew' works featured as if he was a professional.
>>1330500 >there will always be toil Yes. Bureaucrats like to make people believe the opposite.
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>>1330892 It's been done with everything to chimpanzees. If your buddy is up for it, go wild.

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Anonymous 02/21/2021 (Sun) 19:47:51 No. 1324709 [Reply] [Last]
Is /leftypol/ pro-immigration or pro-workers rights?
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>>1324709 The problem isn't immigration, it's bourgeoisie using it to get around workers' rights. Which they also do by just outsourcing jobs, using slave labor, etc. We have a number of problems here which will fuck workers in the ass with or without immigration. Unemployment is always kept unnecessarily high to force workers to compete against eachother. Inflation accelerates due to an economy focused on rentseeking (ever notice how many houses, storefronts, etc. sit empty in your town for years?) which reduces economic opportunities in urban areas and drives prices of basic necessities way up forcing people to take on more work with less bargaining power. And furthermore, the US (which is what I'm talking about, to be clear) barely even enforces labor laws for native citizens, and the labor laws it has are inadequate and the political establishment is unlikely to ever fix this and seems completely opposed to solving the landlord problem and the related inflation. Frequently immigrants come from countries where we would also be exploiting them and wherever they are they will be used to get around paying workers here. This will be a problem so long as all these other factors are allowed to persist and so long as the levers of power belong to capitalists and landlords.
>>1324766 I'll be honest I used to regularly browse 4chan/pol/, but man that article really opened my eyes on some issues, thanks.
>>1330828 The immigration problem only lends more credence to the idea that workers movements need to be just as global as bourgeoisie or we will get no where.>>1330828
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>>1330828 >Which they also do by just outsourcing jobs, using slave labor, etc. Which is, of course, why everyone I'm aware of who's anti-immigration for protectionist reasons is also anti-offshoring. Trade tariffs and migrant quotas plus arguably foreign aid and FairTrade mandates are two sides of the same protectionist coin.
>>1330888 >tariffs Not the worst thing in the world, but Reagan was big on them too and they're not really actually that effective at preventing outsourcing if I'm not mistaken - but perhaps I am. Migrant quotas would not solve the problem in a society which already allows labor laws to be skirted so regularly. The problem isn't who's coming in, it's who holds the levers of power in the country they're already coming to. With or without immigrant labor there would still be a labor reserve - the economy is set up to ensure some amount of poverty and scarcity.

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China and North Korea Anonymous 03/25/2021 (Thu) 20:10:26 No. 1330871 [Reply]
How friendly are they really and does North Korea trust China? Should they? For now they have to be allies because muh America, but NK is progressing towards the automation of labour and actual Communism, China isn't.
>>1330871 >anti China shit no good >lets talk about DPRK technology can you give some examples about north Korean automation.
>>1330873 >can you give some examples about north Korean automation. no faggot I don't think I will


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