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 No.1787979[Reply]

What do the capitalist cherish most?
Private property
What do the proletariat care about most?
Money
So make it profitable to destroy private property.
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 No.1789089

THE TIME OF PATSOC LEFTYPOL HAS ENDED. NOW IS THE AGE OF THE AGORIST.

 No.1789693

This reminds me of that thread where a guy was explaining how burning moment was socialism.

 No.1789786

>>1787979
>So make it profitable to destroy private property.
already happens through inter imperialist conflict/war. Thats the point.

 No.1789790

>>1787991
>>1787983
i really hope for your sake youre not serious

 No.1789799

>>1787983
>>1787991
>Where in the west? The west has no mop
not true. The west has a very small to nonexistent proletariat. Thats not the same as no MOP. The manufacturing jobs of the 1970s didn't all get outsourced a ton were automated. The west does the same amount of manufacturing, just with fewer and more skilled workers. This leads to a situation with more unemployed workers and a labor aristocracy of skilled technicians and white collar PMCs.



 No.1788235[Reply]

>the petty bourgeois can't be revolutiona-
<From the standpoint of capital, therefore, what with hindsight appears to be part of a normal business cycle looked more like a dangerous secular trend toward stalemate-or worse-at the point of production, with all that implied for profits and the attendant social function of capitalists. This perception is, again, consistent with the evidence available then and now. But it is inconsistent with modern assumptions about the social power and cultural authority of "big business." That is probably why the obvious question seems practically impertinent: what could workers bring to bear in their struggles against employers that created the stalemate of the late 188os and early 189os? To put it another way, what resources did capitalists lack?
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<If we follow the lead of the new labor historians and look more closely at the struggles for control of the workplace that began in earnest in the 188os, the significant variable appears to be the stance of the communities in which the struggles took place. When local officeholders, constables, editors, and small shopkeepers acted in solidarity with striking workers-and this seems to have been the norm-large employers were unable to impose their will on the labor force or to reshape the labor process, even if they imported external forces of law and order. Only when such solidarity was missing at the outset or undermined by protracted strikes, were the large employers able to reduce wages, break unions, and reconstruct the labor process.
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<In this sense, the microeconomic problem was inseparable from the macroeconomic problem, or, in the parlance of the late nineteenth century, the economic problem entailed a social question. For the stalemate at the point of production was enforced by a larger deadlock that clearly involved more than capitalists and workers. At the very least it involved the loyalties of a middle class that was still rooted in and defined by petty proprietorship, not by occupational ladders within large bureaucratic organizations. It involved a middle class, in sum, that apparently had not acknowledged the permanence or legitimacy of large capital, a class that could, therefore, side with striking workers against large capital.
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 No.1789348

bump.

 No.1789375

>>1788235
>communist parties organizing workers don't matter, what matters is petit bourgeois support!
>no, it doesn't mean that strong parties, unions, organizations attracted petit bourgeoisie to themselves, it means that petit bourgeoisie is the true power behind success of communist movements!

Yeah, your research is a word salad

 No.1789699

>class collaboration is socialism
Ok ᴉuᴉʅossnW

 No.1789707

Petty porkies have potential, same as peasants

 No.1790009

i dont think you understand what revolutionary potential means or what material analysis even entails in the first place lol



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 No.1788065[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

I was completely disillusioned with the communists. The Communist Party of Russia in no way opposes Putin’s para-fascism and his repressions, but on the contrary only wants to strengthen it. Just so you know, the number of repressions under Putin is already greater than during the entire period of the post-Stalin USSR.

Apparently, liberals are right that communism and fascism are not far from each other, and anarchists are right that the state corrupts. Under socialism there should be no dictatorship of a party or any narrow group of people.
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 No.1789392

>>1789388
Putin was a nobody when the USSR collapsed. Not that it really matters - Russia would have been drawn into this confrontation with the West regardless of the figurehead in charge

 No.1789538

>>1788089
The amount of sex scenes in that video lol

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 No.1791322

>>1789392
>Putin was a nobody when the USSR collapsed
On 28 June 1991, he became head of the Committee for External Relations of the Mayor's Office, with responsibility for promoting international relations and foreign investments[69] and registering business ventures. Within a year, Putin was investigated by the city legislative council led by Marina Salye. It was concluded that he had understated prices and permitted the export of metals valued at $93 million in exchange for foreign food aid that never arrived.[70][37] Despite the investigators' recommendation that Putin be fired, Putin remained head of the Committee for External Relations until 1996.[71][72] From 1994 to 1996, he held several other political and governmental positions in Saint Petersburg.

In March 1994, Putin was appointed as first deputy chairman of the Government of Saint Petersburg. In May 1995, he organized the Saint Petersburg branch of the pro-government Our Home – Russia political party, the liberal party of power founded by Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin. In 1995, he managed the legislative election campaign for that party, and from 1995 through June 1997, he was the leader of its Saint Petersburg branch.

 No.1802754

Troll or not, The KPRF is a utter trainwreck so I share in OP's grief.



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 No.1783631[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

🇵🇸 PREVIOUSLY ON THE HOLY LAND 🇵🇸
>>>/leftypol/1778532
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🚨 Live Happenings/Updates 🚨

Al-Jazeera: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/12/9/israel-hamas-war-live-us-veto-of-un-ceasefire-effort-draws-condemnation

Middle East Eye: https://www.middleeasteye.net/israel-palestine-hamas-war-gaza-live-invasion

The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/09/civilian-toll-israeli-airstrikes-gaza-unprecedented-killing-study

Times of Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-december-9-2023/ (trigger warning)

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 No.1789494

>>1788792
Even he is commenting on the US election. There is just no escape.

 No.1789506

Blumenthal gives an incredible lecture on Palestine-Israel conflict and the inner machinations of the American political establishment at the Woman's National Democratic Club (lol).

 No.1789516

>>1788792
Yknow it’s funny comparing the nuanced takes from people actually battling America’s empire to the seething resentment from third worldists in the west.

 No.1789524

>>1789516
>seething resentment from third worldists in the west.
How many third worldists have you met irl?

 No.1789542

new shawarma
>>1789540



 No.1763345[Reply]

What you are looking at is ai generated video created using a text-to-video model. What are the far reaching societal implications of this? Think about it with technology you see here anything you see on the internet or without you being direct there can be faked. Meaning you would have people doubt any media. Would this be an equalizer making the means of production into the hands of the masses rather than that of bourgeois a step towards a communist society. Any great technology invention has revolution society and changed the under lying social relationships. Such as the steam engine, the printing press, internet ect.
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 No.1766850

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This shit looks demonic, but the consistency between frames definitely got much better. Good on them.

 No.1771373

AI fakes are for amateurs. Pros just post a real video and lie about what it shows. Like this:

MATT CHRISTMAN JUST DIED
RIP TO A REAL ONE

Would work on Twitter despite community notes. You could even do this in the /leftypol/ eceleb thread and probably some suckers would believe you.

 No.1771515

When will this be used for porn, I wonder?

 No.1771539

>>1771373
These look like the worst people in the world socially. Watching that fat cunt fall down the hole after the endless seconds of these dumb fuckers made this thread worth it.
Can't stop laughing at that. 10/10.

 No.1789343

>>1763734 (me)
New interview with the OAI Sora team kinda confirms my intuitions.
Skip to 1:09:14
>I forgot to ask them during the recording, but everyone wanted to know how long does it take to generate a video with Sora with a single prompt… I did ask them after, off-camera, and the answer was: it depends but you could leave, go get coffee and come back and it'd still be working on the video.
<How far away is the coffee? (laughing)
>A while seems to be the answer.

It's unknown what the OAI team was using to generate stuff with it, and also even the exact time is unknown and this is just a vague answer. But it's not too unlikely that they'd be using top of the line hardware and that the generation time with said hardware is in the ~10 minutes range
This shit is definitely not gonna be available to regular consumers. Probably just for film studios who can afford a hefty price tag.



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 No.1789325[Reply]

Do you guys know where I can get pro colonial literature of the past? I‘ve heard plenty of decolonial standpoints and I am familiar with white washed depictions of colonialism that are still recent, but what about unfiltered, explicitly white supremacist literature of this era? Which authors should I look up and where can I look up more casual literature of that kind such as magazines, or letters and what not?

 No.1789337

Look up Giovanni Pascoli https://it.m.wikisource.org/wiki/La_grande_proletaria_si_%C3%A8_mossa
Also, early marx had some pro-colonization views



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 No.1788209[Reply]

Is this the cpusa?
Why is everyone so old?
Why do people call them the democrat cops of America btw do they nag at the democrat party?
Something something not enough words
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>>1788692
>tfw my org filled that gap with middle eastern immigrants from the 2000s

 No.1789029

>>1788209
>Why is everyone so old?
Is that so terrible? Maybe a world run by old people wouldn't be such a bad thing.

 No.1789041

>>1788692
>There is a giant gap of 35-60 years olds. A rule of thumb is, anyone who wasn't already well into adulthood when the wall fell gave up on communism.
I reckon that's part of it, but I think a big part of it is that people aged 35-60 are just busy. They're focused on their jobs, their careers, and their families. If they have kids, they take up a lot of their time (and money). There's just not a lot of slack left to spend on anything they perceive as wasting their time. You have so little free time, why spend it on a left-wing organization compared to a hobby to relieve the stress from the rest of your life? A socialist group will only add more stress. A lesser factor, but I think it does have some effect, is an edgelord culture – that some leftists engage in – is deeply alienating to a lot of these people.

I don't know how to solve it, but Maupin was sort of right that you have to appeal to normies, and I think he understands that because he's in his late 30s. He's not the right guy to do it, on the contrary his maneuvers have had the opposite effect if anything. But I dunno. There has to be some kind of low-profile way to be involved that is not all-consuming of your life and your time.

 No.1789087

>>1788647
Middle aged people are the ones with the most political power. Also, its the middle aged whom are the most arrogant. Elderly people are cool.

>>1789029
We already have that.

 No.1789090

>>1789041
Middle aged people are ironically the most influential voter base and theyre the ones whom are the main pundits.
Theyre the ones whom are the most vocal and entitled.



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 No.1788507[Reply]

War on Gaza: Egyptian police disperse pro-Palestine Women's Day march in Cairo
Around 50 women gathered outside the Palestinian Women's Union in Cairo, and marched through the streets, chanting in solidarity with the “brave women of Palestine". In a statement, the demonstrators said that they were responding to a call from women in Gaza for a "Global Strike Day for the Palestinian women of Gaza and their people."
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/egypt-women-march-gaza-international-womens-day-protest-dispersed

EU will open sea corridor to send aid from Cyprus to Gaza amid famine fears
The EU said the shipments would go straight to Gaza, 210 nautical miles away, but did not say where they would land or unload, or how the food would be distributed from the landing point. It was also unclear what the link was between the weekend shipments and a US plan, announced by Joe Biden on Thursday night, to build a floating dock off the Gaza shore over the next few weeks to receive aid shipments from Cyprus.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/08/sea-corridor-aid-gaza

Protesters march in Syria against al-Qaida-linked group as a prominent militant is released
On Friday, hundreds marched in a show of defiance against the militant chief, Abu Mohammed al-Golani, who runs the al-Qaida-linked Hayat Tahrir al-Sham group. The protests took place in the city of Idlib, the capital of the province with the same name, and surrounding towns and villages.
https://apnews.com/article/syria-idlib-algolani-maysara-aljubour-idlib-608bc3a12050a6427bcfa3ef6771be49

Iran is responsible for the ‘physical violence’ that killed Mahsa Amini, UN probe finds
IRAN is responsible for the “physical violence” that led to the death of Mahsa Amini in September 2022 that sparked nationwide protests, a United Nations fact finding mission said today. The stark pronouncement came in a wide-ranging initial report submitted to the UPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.1788526

Kroger reaches tentative agreement with union, seemingly avoiding strike
A tentative agreement between Kroger and the United Food and Commercial Workers has been reached, according to the grocery store chain. The news follows a vote to approve a strike by about 3,000 Kroger employees representing more than three dozen stores in West Virginia, Kentucky and Ohio.
https://wchstv.com/news/local/kroger-reaches-tentative-agreement-with-union-seemingly-avoiding-strike

10 people, including children, seriously injured while attempting to cross San Diego border wall, in “mass casualty” event
At least six ambulances were dispatched to the scene, along with several fire trucks. Emergency officials said there were multiple types of injuries, including fractures, and that some of those injured were children. Local officials estimate 130 people were attempting to scale the border wall, which separates San Diego from Tijuana, Mexico.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/03/08/uzas-m08.html

30+ Arrested in Chicago Protest Demanding Gaza Cease-Fire
The demonstration capped off a 24-hour vigil backed by the Chicago Alliance Against Racist and Political Repression, Chicago Educators for Palestine, Chicago Teachers Union Caucus of Rank-and-file Educators, Dissenters, Jewish Fast for Gaza, Tzedek Chicago, U.S. Palestinian Community Network, and local chapters of American Muslims for Palestine, IfNotNow, and JVP.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/chicago-gaza-protest

Biden backtracks on climate plans and ‘walks tightrope’ to court both young voters and moderates
Biden is faced by a cohort of younger, progressive voters who have denounced him for the ongoing leasing of oil and gas drilling on public lands, as well as a large slice of the electorate who have barely heard of Biden’s landmark climate bill and are more worried about inflation and the costs of a green transition. The EPA still has to complete a slew of climate-related rules in time to avoid them beingPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.1788562

Bad Romance: Review of Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism (Nation Books, 2018).
Americans, or perhaps mostly those who are young and heterosexual, are suffering a sex drought. The reasons are complicated, but according to an exhaustive and copiously well-researched article by the Atlantic’s Kate Julian, the problem is a queasy cocktail of social alienation, technology, anxiety, depression and neoliberal pressure to succeed. And the Wall Street Journal reports that lingerie retailer Victoria’s Secret is struggling because “Sex Isn’t Selling.” Capitalism has been trying to sell sex since its beginnings. Now we’re not buying. Julian quotes the Swedish health minister after a recent study found a similar problem in that country: “If the social conditions for a good sex life — for example through stress or other unhealthy factors — have deteriorated… it’s a political problem.” In this context, Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism: And Other Arguments for Economic Independence, anthropologist Kristen Ghodsee’s short, crisp and wonderfully engaging polemic, couldn’t be more urgent. “Unregulated capitalism is bad for women,” Ghodsee argues, “and if we adopt some ideas from socialism, women will have better lives… yes, even better sex.” It’s a historically grounded argument, based on her extensive scholarship on the former USSR and Eastern bloc countries.
https://jacobin.com/2018/11/women-better-sex-under-socialism-review

2023 in Chile: 50 Years of the Military Coup
In 2019, an uprising broke out in Chile, wresting control of the streets from police and politicians. Eventually, the authorities managed to redirect this momentum into an effort to replace the constitution, itself a relic of the brutal dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet. The attempt to ratify a constitution more aligned with the values of the demonstrators failed, however, illustrating the risks of channeling grassroots movements into seeking change through institutional means. As a result, a resurgent right wing has regained the initiative in Chile, while the left politicians who came to power have subordinated themselves to the market and the police. To this day, Chile is governed according to the constitution that was introduced as a consequence of the military coup. In the following account, memberPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.1788890

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Thanks News Anon

 No.1788945

TYBNA



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 No.211966[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Thread for all things Nordic. Recommended languages: Finnish, Scandinavian and English.
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 No.1759675

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So, no big surprises; Stubb vs. Haavisto 52,8 / 47,2 %.

Other news: stikes, as executed within the system don't work. We need more bank robbers.

 No.1760268

>>1759675
The strike isn't working out? Idk anything about it but i will wager Vas is supporting it but will get nothing out of it as usual.

 No.1761506

>>1760268
Porky is prepared to play to the bitter end and there's very little we can do, legally or otherwise.

The only the strikes haven't been curbed yet by appealing to national security or whatever excuse seems to be just to make the unions weaker. They are going to do a Reagan.

Speaking of curbing the strikes by legal means, ahen ahem. It wasn't even a political strike but 100 % employee-employer issue.

 No.1762213

>>1761506
>The only the
The only reason the

-oops, typoed there.

 No.1788748

vad tycker folk om dumpen.se?



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 No.1783227[Reply]

Today I got told I "deny the agency of Germans in the rise of Nazism" and that I "fell for Nazi propaganda" by explaining the conditions that led to the rise of fascism in Germany. To these people all Germans woke up one day in 1933 and became raging antisemites and fascism supporters. No analysis of preceding and contemporary conditions is needed, it's all "agency" broooo.

Liberals only talk about "Germans" without mentioning that over half the population belonged to the petit-bourgeoisie which was completely ruined by the hyperinflation of 1919-24, the post-24 economic "rationalization" and then the crippling 1929 depression. Nor do they ever even hint at the class struggle in Germany between 1919 and 1923, the defeat of the Communist Party and its Stalinist degeneration and collaboration that prevented any effective proletarian opposition to the Nazis which successfully captured mass ruined PB support.

Trying to argue with laymen is exhausting.
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 No.1788203

If you like the Nazi party so much why don't you join it?
Nobody's stopping you. You just want to pester people.

 No.1788472

>>1788203
nazis as a special evil is libshit manchildren crap

 No.1788746

Liberals oscilate between two extreme positions:
1. All the evil in the world is caused by individual great men, hitler was just litterally satan putting a spell on the german people
2. Its all the fault of the retarded masses they are all just racist the masses cant be trusted
Depending on if they want to defend former nazis or if they want to attack their own democracy. Its quite telling which they use at what time. Latter one has gotten a lot more popular since trump and the right is on the rise.

Liberals cannot ever go into a nuanced view of the interplay of material conditions and the millions of people acting within those conditions, because that could lead to the conclusion that their own system can and will lead to fascism.

 No.1788747

>>1787921
Can you throw us some sources? Wanna read more into this.

 No.1790209

>To these people all Germans woke up one day in 1933 and became raging antisemites and fascism supporters. No analysis of preceding and contemporary conditions is needed, it's all "agency" broooo.
I mean the thing is that you look at the things leading up to Hitlers rise and it becomes apparent that these things were going to happen period. Everyone was mad, but the reactionary class, of whom most of the military was compromised (same with Italy) was pissed off and blood thirsty after the loss of WW1. If Hitler did not exist mankind would find it necessary to create him.



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