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Anarcho-Break 03/21/2021 (Sun) 05:53:49 No. 1329844 [Reply]

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leftypols thoughts on transpecism? Anonymous 03/17/2021 (Wed) 07:10:00 No. 1329298 [Reply]
I am trans species, but I don't think it is accepted yet. what are your opinions on transspecies and the freedom of form?
> WTF.png Seems like a very honest thread, definitely not bait.
>>1329298 amazing bait anon
Show this to tranners and they cant even answer how theyre different
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>>1329298 low quality bait
>>1329298 We all have such little time in this life, is this how you want to spend yours?

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Anonymous 03/20/2021 (Sat) 17:43:51 No. 1329779 [Reply]
the revolution is coming and definitely inevitable, when it comes you will eat bugs because it will be more efficient to feed the population than wheat for bread
>>1329779 Food efficiency has to take health into account.
>>1329779 this is what communists unironically believe
>>1329779 Op you need to go back you are not welcome in our lands.
>>1329779 take your meds, schizo

ATTENTION COMRADES Anonymous 03/20/2021 (Sat) 23:05:09 No. 1329810 [Reply]
4chans /b/ board is raiding a website called "pixelcanvis" it's a website where you make pixel art for everyone to see and anyone can destroy or go over it, /b/ is destroying leftist art there and there are not enough of us to fight back, so i am asking you comrades to help me. LINKS: https://pixelcanvas.io/@-919,-700 https://pixelcanvas.io/@-1837,3818 protect the leftist art at all costs and destroy whatever /b/ puts up.
who gives a fuck

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Is 3D Printing Revolutionary? Anonymous 02/19/2021 (Fri) 17:43:57 No. 1323920 [Reply] [Last]
From what i see,3D Printing have great potential for damaging industrial-bourgs,i believe we can be able to print many of our "needs",consumer-products and houses in 10-15 years while we are already able to print many things(including clothes), they are not enough now but advances fastly...So from there,it looks like we can print some of our products by just buying raw-materials.We already able to print weapons What do you think about 3D-Printing?
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>>1329503 >Soviet pencil production was collective. Milton was wrong people can work together without markets and capitalists. His example was still dumb because one person can diy a pencil. I never said anything about the ownership. So invalidating Milton by saying that the soviet pencil production was collective is totally missing the point - because Milton himself said that pencil manufacturing is a collective effort! XD. Even if an entity owns all the raw materials and just lets someone extract them and create a pencil just for fun, it's still a lot of labor for one person. Having all the ready materials at hand and just assemble them was never part of Milton's premise. You could as well say that he was wrong because we now have mechanical penicls, or something. Also the Z80-chip and any other computer chip for that matter. The expensive part there is not to manufacture the chip, but to gear the factory for a new one. >Does that matter ? Industrial supply chains run on fixed contracts, if they used Milton's market fantasy everything would collapse like in Russia after 1990. Really? If you sign a contract to supply 1 unit of raw material for 1 unit of currency in perpetuity and your only respite is force majeure, you've pretty much fucked yourself for life. The only elbow room you have is to make the extraction less costly and thereby increasing your profit. But for raw materials that can only be extracted seasonly (such as agricultural products) or semi-seasonly (such as wood wich you theoretically can harvest year around, but it is harder to do it during the winter), it is wise to re-negotiate the contracts every year. Even if both are content with how things run, a new contract is a new contract. And if the raw material has few alternative uses and there's few alternatives to it, then the supplier of it has an even stronger hand. If the refined product turns out to be even more profitable than imagined, then the supplier could ask for a higher price. A bigger cut of the action. So please spare us your telehone games about how negotiation and procurement works. Because you've basically just said that if you abolish "markets and capitalists", then collective work gets *really* hard do do. Of course, Milton could be disproved by you proving that pencils was cheaper, better and had a better availability in the USSR than in countries with "markets and capitalists".
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Ark has 3D printing in their ETFs so I think so.
>>1329620 Milton's ideology is that collective efforts need markets and capitalists. He means that the alternative to markets is doing everything alone. That is wrong. >Having all the ready materials at hand and just assemble them was never part of Milton's premise. I don't accept Milton's premise. Every economy will make intermediate products that are used for creating finished goods. >Really? If you sign a contract to supply 1 unit of raw material for 1 unit of currency Yes, most of the economy runs on long term supply contracts with fixed rates not volatile market prices. >wood wich you theoretically can harvest year around, but it is harder to do it during the winter Winter harvest wood has less treesap, it will rot less. Small 3d Printers for consumers were delayed by 20 years because of patents. Capitalism arbitrarily banned people for decades from working together to create something.
>>1329634 >Milton's ideology is that collective efforts need markets and capitalists. He means that the alternative to markets is doing everything alone. That is wrong. And how good was the collective action in the USSR compared to pretty much the rest of all the world? >I don't accept Milton's premise. Every economy will make intermediate products that are used for creating finished goods. What of his premises? That it's unviable for one person to make a pencil from scratch? Yes, that did they realize in USSR too. Can you please say what your greatest point of contention with Milton is? That one single person can't harvest and refine the materials is a given. The specific economic system doesn't matter. The limitations runs deeper than that. And just assembling the parts is just assembling the parts. Because a lot of other people has already done the legwork for the assembler. The same goes for computers. >Yes, most of the economy runs on long term supply contracts with fixed rates not volatile market prices. Please prove that the suppliers of raw materials are making themselves indentured servants, so to speak. Because there's always a volatile element in raw material pricing. The market price may fluctuate between 500 and 1500 per unit every year. So the buyer may offer a fixed rate of 900 every year and remove the risk from the supplier. But if the market price starts to fluctuate between 700 and 1700, then the supplier should re-negotiate the fixed price to 1100. >Winter harvest wood has less treesap, it will rot less. Ok, I stand corrected. But now wood is more of a season material than I thought. That makes it even more suspectible for market fluctuations. Of coruse it's easier to plan when to harvest trees. But a problematic summer with fires or drought will increase the price of wood.

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>>1329644 >And how good was the collective action in the USSR compared to Milton's model Milton's market fundamentalism was practiced in Russia, the economy contracted by 60% and 12 million people starved to death. The Soviet economy was previously growing 3%. The Soviet model was worlds better. The only thing worse than Milton's economic program that happened to Russia was the blitzkrieg. >What of his premises? That it's unviable for one person to make a pencil from scratch? Diy project to build a pencil =/= pencil. If my hobby is pencil crafting, the pencils i make are free. >Can you please say what your greatest point of contention with Milton is? Markets are very inefficient, every country in all of history with a good economy had advanced state planning. >Please prove to me. Investigate the web of recurring contracts for your self I won't spoon feed you. >Patent trolling? So what? Yes, the patent laws should be revieved and revised. So when is that fix coming ? >Foss is less polished That's a market failure, Foss doesn't get enough funding. Imagine how much better opensource projects would be if they had as much funding as Apple or Microsoft.

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Anonymous 03/06/2021 (Sat) 06:14:25 No. 1327735 [Reply] [Last]
Do you want open borders or do you agree with Bernie Sanders that we can't afford social democracy for the entire world? He literally says that immigration is a Koch brothers proposal.
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>>1327735 Open borders is a capitalist proposition, but the main reason for immigration is imperialist exploitation of the developing world, communists should work instead to liberate those peoples, so that they do not have to immigrate, and people can return to their homeland.
>>1329470 Taking for example Algeria, a country which kicked out the occupying power as well as the colonist population, and then took a strong stance against imperialist meddling, and nationalized the oil and gas industries. A large part of its population emigrated, and did not return. Can you explain to me how imperialism is causing that mass migration, and how can we liberate Algerians ?
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>>1329489 A fixation on 1800s-esque "imperialism", but in the modern era, is a hallmark of the brainworm-addled tankie throwback. Since actual empires are long dead, in an era of transnational globalized corporate conglomerates, we actually live in what can be called "ultraimperialism". That is, not X country oppressing Y country, but all countries everywhere being subject to the unrelenting forces of capitalism. The "core" (1st-world) vs. "periphery" (3rd-world) distinction still meaningfully persists, but instead referring to the entire capitalist system's need for different dynamics when dealing with stronger more regulated and industrially developed states, vs. weaker unregulated and industrially undeveloped states. Not to competing empires, nor even (sporadic LARPing by US, EU, PRC, Russia, etc. aside) to rival powerblocs. Algeria is presently in this situation, oppressed by their own capitalists, by foreign trading "partners", by foreign investors/lenders, and by their disadvantageous bargaining position. Capitalism, by perpetuating this dichotomy between 1st & 3rd world, the 3rd-world can be made to compete desperately for scraps, and the 1st-world can be drug down to that lowest common denominator.
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open borders is just another form of imperialism when you don't want to spend the money building factories over seas you import the slaves to the factories you already have. Or when your employees are threatening to unionize you bring in diversity to break it up
>>1327738 >>1327735 Limit immigration, and cut all foreign aid. The billions we send to Israel alone every year could be used to better the lives of ALL Americans

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U.S.- China Alaska Summit discussion Anonymous 03/20/2021 (Sat) 04:20:42 No. 1329724 [Reply]
Link to the longest video I could find: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERRo3PM4OJ4 Has America been btfo'd so hard? This is a high official meeting and it's the first time I've seen any country blast the living fuck out of United States this publicly.
Here are the timestamps of all translated sections, for your convenience. >2:35~4:54 Sullivan's intro >24:54~42:15 Yang Jiechi's Response >46:36~50:33 Wang Yi's response >50:54~53:21 Blinken's response >56:10~58:09 Sullivan's response

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Anonymous 02/14/2021 (Sun) 07:09:40 No. 1321897 [Reply]
What did Engels mean by this?
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>>1322804 >You have no proof >Posts to examples The US still uses slave labor via the prison system. Blacks are enslaved by far the most. My proof is several centuries of history which you desperately try to ignore while trying not to look like a brainlet
>>1322812 And it's not the official policy of the US to commit imperialism, therefore imperialism doesn't exist.
Marx and Engels really didn't get America, like at all. We're a country of schemers and backstabbers, and collectivism of the German sort was alien to how Americans saw themselves and their aspirations. If you want international solidarity, or labor to unite, it does not come easily. But then, the labor movement around the world was plagued with fighting within labor, between who was the more worthy workers and who could defend their interests. The vast unskilled workers could not do much for their position, and would be fought by their skilled counterparts. This became more established as the "labor aristocracy" emerged, as the "better of the poor" were sorted out - precisely in line with Whig/liberal thinking of the 19th century. Really, it took the laughable incompetence of the European and American ruling classes for labor to gain as much as it did, and as brutal as monopoly capitalists could be, they often lacked what it took to really grind down the populace. It took the invention of eugenics and fascism, and their emergence as the ruling ideologies, to really begin the process of reversing the trend towards a stronger middle class and labor's recognition of its own power (despite labor's internal conflicts); and this process really only began in earnest in the last third of the 20th century, because in the short term it was necessary to improve the lot of the commoners enough to build that technological base to make the national security state work.
>>1322812 >official policy matters more than the actual actions of the state >calling the other person a radlib Jesus fucking christ, I wonder why I stopped coming here and then I remember it's because people are infuriatingly dumb. >>1323030 /thisfuckingargument
>>1321897 that the bourgeoisie use nationalism and skin color to divide the working class? is it not obvious?

Anonymous 03/19/2021 (Fri) 20:01:35 No. 1329633 [Reply]
Yesterday was the 150th anniversary of the Commune de Paris.
Still one of the best examples we have of a future socialist society. Much to be learned from it, as Marx and others have listed in their critiques. Viva la commune!
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>>1329633 >Viva That's spanish...

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News 3/19/21 News Anon 3.0 03/19/2021 (Fri) 21:22:32 No. 1329646 [Reply]
‘Protest works’: Policing Bill delayed, MPs claim The Police, Crime and Sentencing Bill passed its first vote in the Commons on Tuesday. Hove Labour MP Peter Kyle, who had been tasked to chair the committee examining amendments to the Bill, said on Thursday that MPs were due to start scrutinising the legislation next week. https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/protest-works-policing-bill-delayed-mps-claim CPP insists former communist leader tortured, killed by state forces In a statement on Wednesday, March 17, the CPP claimed that Antonio Cabanatan, 74, and his wife Florenda Yap, 65, were abducted, tortured, and murdered by the police and the military in Oton, Iloilo, on December 26, 2020, the 52nd founding anniversary of the New People’s Army. https://www.rappler.com/nation/cpp-insists-former-leader-tortured-killed-by-state-forces https://archive.is/nwDGa US, China spar in 1st face-to-face meetings under Biden The two sides gathered for a new session a day after a contentious opening in which they traded harsh barbs. The U.S. accused the Chinese delegation of “grandstanding” and Beijing fired back, saying there was a “strong smell of gunpowder and drama” that was entirely the fault of the Americans. https://apnews.com/article/us-china-first-face-to-face-meeting-under-biden-7c82af723084bc3d7825df4c9678f0b9 Venezuela Delivered 3,500,000 Homes Despite US Sanctions He stressed that the GMVV managed to maintain its construction goals, despite the U.S. blockade against the country's economy and population. On Thursday, 57 families inaugurated their homes in Aragua, 64 families in Zulia, and 120 families in Miranda. At least 70 percent of homes were built with the direct work of their owners. https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Venezuela-Delivered-3500000-Homes-Despite-US-Sanctions-20210319-0013.html

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Stunning Classified Memo Details How U.S. Commandos Are Getting Beaten By Terrorists in Africa Halfway through their campaign, America’s commandos are already failing, according to a recent Pentagon report. That analysis, authored by the Africa Center for Strategic Studies, a Defense Department research institution, paints a troubling portrait of the security situation on the continent, showing a 43 percent spike in militant Islamist activity and sharp increases in violence in 2020 as part of a steady and uninterrupted rise over the last decade. https://www.vice.com/en/article/4adzpb/secret-plans-detail-failures-of-us-commandos-in-africa?utm_source=vicenewsfacebook https://archive.is/gXAZN Watchdog Urges Congress to Probe Whether Biden 'Bartered' Vaccines for Mexico Migration Crackdown A government watchdog group on Friday demanded that Congress exercise its oversight powers to determine whether the Biden administration used surplus coronavirus vaccines as a bargaining tool to pressure the Mexican government to crack down more harshly on rising U.S.-bound migration. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/19/watchdog-urges-congress-probe-whether-biden-bartered-vaccines-mexico-migration Judge limits evidence, refuses to move trial in Floyd death A judge said Friday he won’t delay or move the trial of a former Minneapolis police officer charged in George Floyd’s death over concerns that a $27 million settlement for Floyd’s family could taint the jury pool, but he’ll allow limited evidence from a 2019 arrest. https://apnews.com/article/judge-limits-evidence-derek-chauvin-trial-3320df1d5010dcac0ee9aeefb7ea4712 Outrage After Georgia Cop Suggests Atlanta Mass Shooter Acted Because He Had a 'Bad Day' In what many observers are calling the latest display of racist double standards, a Georgia sheriff's captain raised eyebrows and ire Wednesday after suggesting the alleged gunman arrested the previous night for killing eight people—six of them Asian women—at three Atlanta-area massage spas acted because he was having "a really bad day." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/17/outrage-after-georgia-cop-suggests-atlanta-mass-shooter-acted-because-he-had-bad-day

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Moderate Rebels:Debunking anti-China myths of the new cold war - with Daniel Dumbrill Max Blumenthal and Ben Norton (kind of) speak with Daniel Dumbrill, a Canadian YouTuber who has lived in China for more than a decade, about the new cold war. He debunks the anti-Chinese myths constantly spread in the Western corporate media. https://soundcloud.com/moderaterebels/china-new-cold-war-daniel-dumbrill Palestinian elections: The resurrection of Salam Fayyad Much jockeying for position is unfolding within the leadership of the Fatah movement in preparation for May’s planned Palestinian Authority (PA) elections. This is not a rivalry among right-wing conservatives, middle-of-the-road liberals and radical socialists, but rather a battle among different pro-Oslo, neoliberal, right-wing factions and personalities. The current leadership of Fatah and the PA is taking no chances, having issued a veiled threat to Marwan Barghouti, languishing in an Israeli prison since 2002 but still active in the movement from his cell. And a few days ago, Fatah expelled former leader Yasser Arafat’s nephew, Nasser al-Qudwa, from the movement over his electoral challenge to President Mahmoud Abbas. But those intent on saving the PA from Abbas, whether through internal Fatah rivals or through “independent” technocratic personalities, are not to be outdone; they have just unleashed their latest electoral candidate, former PA Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, who recently announced in an interview with the Palestinian newspaper al-Quds that he is returning to the Israeli-occupied West Bank to run for elections as an independent. https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/palestine-elections-salam-fayyad-resurrection This Day in 2003: Imperialist “Shock and Awe” Devastates Iraq Eighteen years ago today, people in the United States witnessed television coverage of U.S. military forces bombing Baghdad in what leaders of the U.S. armed forces had promised would be a “shock and awe” attack. It was the beginning of a brutal war to topple Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, subjugate the Iraqi people, and execute one part of a wider strategy to “remake” the Middle East. And like so many of the murderous deeds of U.S. imperialism, it was all predicated on a lie. The television images we saw had a surreal quality. Many commentators said the bombing looked like a Fourth of July fireworks display or a video game — characterizations that helped fuel a rather blasé reaction among many in this country to events half a world away. But for the civilians in whose neighborhoods the United States was raining down fire and terror, it was anything but a holiday. The attack did not come out of the blue. In October 1998, Congress passed and President Bill Clinton signed into law the Iraq Liberation Act, which stated, “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.” Then, in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks some 18 months earlier, the Bush administration began to beat the war drums against the Hussein regime — despite that Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with the events of that day. https://www.leftvoice.org/this-day-in-2003-imperialist-shock-and-awe-devastates-iraq


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