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 No.1648611[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Can btfo online reactionary religious ghouls epic style be a net positive for scientific socialism?
How do we fuse the two and harness this power?
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 No.1796327

>>1794074
the average leftypoltard hasnt even read marx. you expect them to know eckhart? political atheism is retarded.

>>1796322
>"atheist mentality"
stop trying to ape an atheist mentality. as an ex-catholic you should realize how stupid that is. darwin is a fossil. if you want to understand evolutionary biology dont read him. marx and freud were atheists but most atheists aren't freudians or whatever. marx was an atheist but not like a huge major proponent of atheism. I guess read Moses and Monotheism I guess. if you want to understand the gutter atheist mentality just go to any atheist subreddit. theres nothing of intellectual value ther.e

 No.1796339

>>1796327
> marx was an atheist but not like a huge major proponent of atheism
< The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
<Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower. The criticism of religion disillusions man, so that he will think, act, and fashion his reality like a man who has discarded his illusions and regained his senses, so that he will move around himself as his own true Sun. Religion is only the illusory Sun which revolves around man as long as he does not revolve around himself.
So obviously we should throw off the chain of religion

 No.1796341

>>1796327
> the average leftypoltard hasnt even read marx. you expect them to know eckhart?
Eckhart isn’t even on the same level as Marx anyway.

 No.1796349

>>1796322
> "atheist mentality"
I don’t really know what you mean by this.
There really isn’t one mentality all atheists share.

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 No.1795262[Reply]

Market Socialists come in many different flavors; from Anarchist to Marxist, Free marketeer to Regulationist, wanting Mass production to wanting Artisanal production, believing it to be the end goal to believing it to be a transitionary period and so on. What unites us is the belief that socialism can coherently exist with markets without being capitalist.

Post books and materials related to Market Socialism or post memes. If your not a Market Socialist then post your criticisms of it. If you dislike one strain of Market Socialism then post your critiques of it.
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 No.1796520

>>1796515
I will do it tomorow, i will try at least

 No.1796521

2+ weeks

 No.1797068

finished all my chores, time to finish the book and discover the meaning of what is a market, what is market socialism, its origin and the main argumensts for and against it

 No.1797332

Small interesting pieces of the book moloch

"Planning exists because [the market] process has ceased to be reliable. Technology, with its companion commitment of time and capital, means that the needs of the consumer must be anticipated—by months or years…. [I]n addition to deciding what the consumer will want and will pay, the firm must make every feasible step to see that what it decides to produce is wanted by the consumer at a remunerative price…. It must exercise control
over what is sold…. It must replace the market with planning
…The need to control consumer behavior is a requirement of planning. Planning, in turn, is made necessary by extensive use of advanced technology and capital and by the relative scale and complexity of organization. These produce goods efficiently; the result is a very large volume of production. As a further consequence, goods that are related only to elementary physical sensation–that merely prevent hunger, protect against cold, provide shelter, suppress pain–have come to comprise a small and diminishing part of all production. Most goods serve needs that are discovered to the individual not by the palpable discomfort that accompanies deprivation, but by some psychic response to their possession…"

"In Sloanist management accounting, inventory is counted as an asset “with the same liquidity as cash.” Regardless of whether a current output is needed to fill an order, the producing department sends it to inventory and is credited for it. Under the practice of “overhead absorption,” all production costs are fully incorporated into the price of goods “sold” to inventory, at which point they count as an asset on the balance sheet.

In other words, by the Sloanist accounting principles predominant in American industry, the expenditure of money on inputs is by definition the creation of value."

"if firms could respond to local conditions, they would not need to control them. If they must control markets, then it is a reflection of their lack of ability to be adequately responsive"

"…Consumer needs, if they are to be supplied efficiently, call increasingly for organizations that are more flexibly arranged and in more direct contact with those customers. The essence of planning, under conditions of iincreasing uncertainty, is to seek better ways for those who have the needs to influence or control the productive apparatus more ePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.1797336

>>1797332

How to achieve this decentralised industry? I did not exactly understood, but i tried. I will try and read the other book later, that "The homebrew revolution". I think it would be cool if i could have my own factory in home. It would create microships to sell in Bras, it would be good



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 No.1792141[Reply]

There has to be a reason other than "they are racist idiots etc" It seems the gains in Europe and abroad is not just temporary but increasing to the detriment of proper left wing parties. This recent election in Portugal is just one example.
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 No.1796735

>>1796734
believe it or not most people's lives would be disrupted if this shithole balkanized into a libertarians wet dream

 No.1796940

>>1796700
>When you're starving to death
>in the global north
>in western euro welfarite regimes in particular
I'm anti-JDPON larping but come on lol. My parents were basically poor lumpens and even i did not come anywhere close to starving.
>>1796708
Bernie was tougher on immigration that every republican candidates at the time and still is now. I even remember when he got called antisemitic for saying open borders were a Koch brothers conspiracy.
>>1796719
They don't care until the economy is doing bad.

 No.1796948

>>1796940
Tougher than Trump?
I do wonder what a bernie-trump debate would have looked like. Right wing populism vs left wing populism. If only.
Corbyn also got called antisemitic by zionists as a smear campaign. Those people sure do get a lot of power in deciding who youre allowed to agree with, huh?

 No.1797124

>>1796940
>Bernie was tougher on immigration that every republican candidates at the time and still is now
He isn't, he has recanted all such views a long time ago, and never had a voter record that suggested he ever believed it.

> I even remember when he got called antisemitic for saying open borders were a Koch brothers conspiracy.

He said this 8 years ago, and did a 180 a month or two into his campaign.

 No.1797235

>>1796948
This is like watching a kid try to put a square block in a circular hole



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 No.1468946[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hilo latino flacos, tratemos de mantenerlo mas activo que el hilo pasado. Ameribros as always we allow you to speak english, we are not Ukrainian fascists.

Para luego buscarlo en el catálogo:
Latinoamérica, Latin America, LATAM, /lat/, latinoamérica, latino américa, hispanoamerica, /ñ/
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 No.1797199

>>1796894
Whats that? You are lustful, racism is the LEAST of our concerns.
I myself have no issue with racist banter. but your problem isnt being black. its being so pathetic you worship a specific branch of women

 No.1797226

>>1797199
All men worship at the mound of venus whether they admit to it or not.

 No.1798430

>>1732847
this>>1734730
some alternatives are rising. i started helping a newly established party called via socialista
good proposals, good analysis of our current material conditions. too technocratic and small, but its the most decent party ive seen so far

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 No.1782098[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Remember!!: A new thread?? I thought mods were just lazy. God hoping new threads are a recurring thing again.

>have 700k+ army

>mobilize non-stop for two years
>quickly, we need 500k more!
>"uuuuhm easy, just triple the number of active soldiers!"

<Perseus did nothing wrong. Zakhaev did nothing wrong. Barkov did nothing wrong.


>I'm going to renounce socialism because intbriganon got pussy and became a liberal.


<What next? Are they going to say that a slave doesn't really want liberation but rather wants to enslave his masters? I hate romaboos btw


>Attempt to criticize the horrors of Soviet totalitarianism

>Police break into your house and throw you into a van to never be seen again
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 No.1797101

>>1797100
What are these? Documents to join the Ukrop forces?

 No.1797111

>>1796825
Don’t forget

>Holodomor / double genocide myth

>Robert Conquest

 No.1797112

>>1797101
Looks like Russian presidential ballots and Dva.ch memeing while voting

 No.1797118

>>1796995
What's the context on this?

 No.1797119

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 No.1796628[Reply]

You guys put any stock in the idea that part of the reason for the latent reationary wave we've seen fall over the west since 2016 (though really since 2020) has something to do with the richest themselves becoming more reactionary in character?
Sure you can say all the things you ought say about broad socio-economic trends, peasantization of the working class, the outsourcing of jobs, capitalism in crisis ect. But it just seems to me that the richest 1% becoming AESHTETICALLY socially conservative has alot to do with the rise of of national populism (Fascism) on the world stage generally.
Like think back to the Obama years when the richest 1% were lib cali tech nerds like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. In a way they're still really Cali Tech nerds but the new grop that came after them have definately position themselves as more reactionary then those who came before (think peter teil and obviously elon musk) AND with their increasing insistence on """free speech"""" on social media they seem to be pumping far right propganda into the eyes of millions per day, shifting the overton windown in the process.
I dont know
Just would like to hear left/pol/s thoughts on the matter??
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>>1796641
>You've demonstrated understanding of the material underpinning of this rise of reaction, yet you still want to be due to elite thought leaders.
>Why do you prefer this explanation?
More just se it as a partial explanation rather then a fully coherent one.
Yes of course all this is driven by economic factors beyond the control of any conspiracy or just a sympathetic sub culture within the owning class but still at the micro level; was curious if you thought ANY of this was (at the least) sped up by some of them like musk putting their thumb on the scales for personal reasons??

 No.1796665

>>1796659
>dialectical hatred
THATS NOT

 No.1796674

>>1796659
Pic
Is completely forgotten the reason I keep using this thrase 'you have said the actual truth.'
10/10 tweets though. Probably the only funny thing to happen on that website.

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 No.1796746

I don't think it's a coincidence.
Fascism is capitalism in decay and well



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 No.1794517[Reply]

So I am familiar with the American deep-state, and am confident that they would stop the president from going full retard with nukes. But I am not so sure about Putin.

I know states don't operate off the "le great leader can do what he wants" model. There are always competing factions and group-interests that keep any one individual from becoming a god (even stalin had people who would tell him to fuck off). The question is: how robust is the Russian ruling class when it comes to preventing nuclear war?

And just to clarify I am not one of those "putin=hitler 2.0" libs I just don't know much about the Russian deepstate and wish to be enlightened.
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 No.1796212

The Russian state couldn't start a nuclear war against NATO and survive the next 24 hours. NATO simply consists of more relevant targets than Russia. It's simple math. The 'West' will continue to exist in some form, but Russia won't and I am pretty sure they are aware of this.

 No.1796219

>>1796212
They have more missiles too. It's called _Mutual_ Assured Destruction for a reason.

 No.1796279

>>1796212
Nobody is going to survive an attack of that scale.

 No.1796550

>>1796212
You literally have MacArthur brain you believe in the clash of civilizations. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Please try to understand why wars actually occur.

 No.1796606

>>1796212
>nuclear war against NATO
>limited nuclear war
Everybody is getting nuked and bunker busted and whatever else.

Even assuming that the extremely rich and powerful can somehow make their own feuds out of the minority of survivors. And that they'll be so well prepared as to survive the post-nuclear holocaust without social upheaval, that still seems like a big downgrade. And and it would probably be an uphill battle to somehow reestablish the capitalist relations that shaped the world before the nukes.

So launching the nukes is no solution to the problems of globalized capitalism, more like a spiteful last ditch shot at omnicide. Which I can't picture helping the perception that more capitalism is the path forwards, either.



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 No.1792717[Reply]

Politically speaking, is there any reason to do anything instead of leeching off your family and waiting till they die to retire with their property? Everything feels pointless so why shouldn't you just wait for the system to collapse? Seems like the most reasonable thing to do imo
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 No.1794405

>>1792916
This is the right way to do it.

 No.1796408

>>1792732
this
antiwork people are just lazy ass manchildren who want eternal childhood.

 No.1796413

work can be a way to gain skills necessary to make good of the chaos of revolition and.that which comes after. if you deny yourself useful work, youll get fucked during collapse

 No.1796440

>>1792916
this tbh. I know im never going to have a relationship, and kids, and house.

 No.1796448

It's not going to collapse.
Capitalist countries will go to war to wreck as much shit as the can to buy more time in the ticking clock that is the falling rate of profit, or mutually assured destruction
Socialist countries well band together in self-defense. The less capitalist countries there are, the greater chance this will be successful.
You're on the clock to either escape to a socialist country or bring your country closer to socialism.
>everything feels pointless
Stop using centralized social media, cut down your news intake, and get to organizing or packing. Things are a lot better off than you think.



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 No.1789540[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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 No.1796699

>>1796609
Well maybe not so big, but it is part of a general escalation in the West Bank the past week. There are significantly more IOF troops deployed to the West Bank than Gaza already, and now they are being deployed to Al-Khalil. It was an infiltration and shooting of settlers that triggered the initial irsaeli aggression.

 No.1797029

National Resistance Brigades (Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces) spokesman Abu Khaled:
Our forces continue their clashes with the enemy forces and strike their positions in cooperation with the resistance factions.
Commander Abu Khaled, spokesman for the Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces (the military wing of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine), issued a military report, in which he revealed that the Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces continued their clashes with the “israeli” enemy forces, and confronted them on the fighting axes in the Gaza Strip. In conjunction with a number of fighters from the resistance factions they targeted enemy positions with rocket barrages. Below are the details:
First: The Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces (the military wing of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine) clashed with the “israeli” enemy forces on the axes of advance in Hamad town, northwest of Khan Younis. They used machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades, and were able to target one of the enemy’s vehicles with a “B7” shell, hitting it directly and causing severe damage, causing the occupants to fall between killed and wounded.
Second: The Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces in conjunction with the Mujahideen Brigades, Saraya Al-Quds, and Al-Husseini Groups, targeted enemy positions south of Al-Zaytoun neighborhood in Gaza City, with barrages of B-107 caliber rockets, and the missiles hit their targets, causing heavy losses among the enemy's ranks.
Third: The artillery unit in the The Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces bombarded enemy positions northeast of Juhr al-Dik using short-range rockets, hitting their targets and causing heavy damage in the ranks of the enemy forces.
Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces – The military wing of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Military Media
17/3/2024

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 No.1798215

>>1794617
>what is taglit?
birthright tours



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 No.1792736[Reply]

how many modes of production are there? it frustrates me to no end how little is agreed upon about the nature and number of precapitalist modes compared to capitalism itself. scholars cannot even agree whether european feudalism is a more advanced or degenerated form of a tributary mode, or whether "peasant" and "kinship" modes exist. how do i elucidate this shit without spending years reading idk chinese fiduciary records?
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 No.1792857

>>1792794
Nowhere near the extent of China

 No.1792882

>>1792857
mercantilist corporations and companies were usually state chartered under a monarchy, that's pretty bureaucratic

 No.1793211

>>1792781
ive read part of this, the historical materialism series is good but honestly this one raised more questions for me than answers (hence this thread)
>>1792807
my issue with this is that it seems like differentiating modes of production is a matter of "splitting" and "lumping". we know they exist and that some of them are relatively discrete, but depending on how we apply the definition of "mode of production" we can really have as many as we want, as >>1792738 points out. the fundamental question is how we resolve this materialistically? ie, what nuance do we need to pay attention to in order to make "mode of production" a transhistorically consistent concept with definite constituent examples?

 No.1793362

>>1792774
>>1792778
Good posts. Glad to see this board still has a few quality posters.

>pre-capitalist modes of production

Is the Zapatista economy pre-capitalist? I know the Zapatista movement is a reaction to neoliberalism, but did they (internally) avoid capitalism?

 No.1796307

Why do you want to nearly divide them into discreet modes and make them countable?
Try understanding the different aspects, how they interplay, which kinds of relationships are dominant. This is much more valuable than arbitrarily trying to separate different mixes of modes at different different.



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