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 No.1757069[Reply]

Or to leftist politics in general.
I'm from a South American country and everyone here is either an extreme right winger or a "moderate" right winger aka a centrist. Or an id-pol obsessed lib that doesnt challenge capitalism in any way at all (our president right now is such a person)
Most youtube videos that I think would help people challenge the capitalist brainwashing are in english, and not too many people here know english. How the fuck do I do anything to change things a bit? I hate this feeling of powerlessness and I strong believe that things must change. If the extreme right-wing keeps gaining power in my country I'm 100% confident that things will go straight to hell and I feel rather fearful.
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 No.1757960

>>1757069
Tell them to Google: Lenin was a mushroom

 No.1757967

>>1757530
third worlders literally pulling the "old dead white men" shit exactly like tumblr holy fuck

 No.1771756

>>1757530
> Turd worldism

 No.1771777

OP is there no communist party in your country, pretty much every country has some sort of communist, socialist or just "leftist" party.

 No.1771824

>>1757355
literally the only correct answer and it gets ignored lol



 No.1771255[Reply]

What are your thoughts on outlawing western capitalist goods, services, companies, etc like with the iron curtain back in the Soviet days? Do you think we should bring it back? How strict should it be?
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 No.1771571

>outlawing western capitalist goods
nothing like that ever happened

 No.1771596

>>1771255
Why does everybody forget that socialist countries are put under embargoes and sanctions by the capitalist world? You could make the argument that you're making, but it doesn't matter if capitalist countries won't let their companies do business in socialist countries.

Stop letting the capitalist ideological apparatus control the terms of the debate, /leftypol/.

 No.1771693

Warsaw Pact countries didn't ban foreign products, they just had closed, self-sufficient economies that only traded with allied countries. To be able to buy foreign products, they would have had to gain access to steady inflows of hard currency, which could only be done by gearing production towards exports. This was never done for two reasons: first, it would have made the Warsaw Pact economically dependent on the West and the penetration of Western capital into their own economies. Opening up to an adversary that could have always launched an invasion or a nuking spree against socialist countries didn't seem like a good idea at the time. Second, to gear the economy towards exports, a massive restructuring of mostly autarkic economies would have been necessary. Either this would have meant literally doubling the workload placed on workers to produce for export and domestic consmuption at the same time or just outright destroying those industries that are to be replaced by imports and redirecting the labourers to export-based industries. The latter would have led to adopting elements of capitalism mentioned in my first point and - depending on the scale - catastrophic economic destruction that would have never been worthwile. The Eastern Block did decide on collective economic suicide in the end and we can actually see that they still haven't recovered, seeing the persistent high rates of emigration to the West.

 No.1771754

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>>1771255
>what are your thoughts on a country outlawing capitalist goods-ACK
Brezhnev gang wins again

 No.1771757

>>1771754
This shitshow illustrates the reasons there were no western brands in the USSR: there wasn't enough trade going on in the first place, and it made way more sense to make everything inside the socialist camp.



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 No.1771684[Reply]

marxism, while initially presenting itself as a liberating force against the oppressive structures of capitalism, ultimately falls victim to its own internal contradictions and dialectical tensions. The dialectical materialist analysis, while insightful in uncovering the historical development of class struggle and the inherent contradictions within capitalist production relations, fails to adequately address the complexities of human nature (and dont you fuckers come with the meme) and the multifaceted dynamics of social change.

your teleological understanding of history, grounded in the deterministic progression towards communism, overlooks the contingent nature of historical events and the agency of individuals (no matter what class) in shaping societal outcomes. moreover, the emphasis on economic determinism tends to reduce all social phenomena to mere reflections of the underlying economic base, neglecting the significance of cultural, ideological, and political factors in shaping social relations.

additionally, the marxist conception of the state as a mere instrument of class domination oversimplifies the intricate power dynamics within society, ignoring the potential for bureaucratic, technocratic, and otherwise oppressive tendencies to emerge within ostensibly socialist regimes. The failure of numerous marxist-inspired revolutions to achieve lasting social transformation (just look how bigoted post-soviet nations tend to be) underscores the limitations of a purely structural analysis divorced from considerations of human agency and political strategy.

furthermore, the marxist critique of capitalism often overlooks the innovations in productivity, technology, and living standards that capitalism has brought about, albeit unevenly distributed among different social classes. while exploitation and alienation are indeed inherent features of capitalist production, the wholesale rejection of capitalist institutions risks overlooking the potential for transformative reforms and incremental improvements within the existing system, something that has worked in the past, like in south korea post 1988.
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 No.1771699

>>1771692
Capitalism exists insofar as value can be extracted from labor. If all labor is automated capitalism can't exist. It all becomes pure capital. Then all your left with is socialism and the arrangement of said socialist government. That's my take.

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 No.1771719

>furthermore, the marxist critique of capitalism often overlooks the innovations
For once, just read Capital. Don't read someone's interpretation of Capital, go read what Marx's says. Because this sure as shit isn't it. Don't be a brainlet.

 No.1771722

>>1771719
Raising productivity implies innovation.

 No.1771750

>>1771684
>furthermore, the marxist critique of capitalism often overlooks the innovations in productivity, technology, and living standards that capitalism has brought about
Try reading once in your life. It's better than watching online leftists talk about what animal they'd fuck, I swear. Every single thing you said is not just accounted for, but makes the revolution and socialist construction possible in the first place.



 No.1771221[Reply]

Germany: Berlin schools asked to distribute leaflet describing the 1948 Nakba as a 'myth'
Germany's leading Social Democratic Party (SPD) and the opposition Christian Democratic Party (CDU) have ordered high schools in Berlin's borough of Neukolln to distribute brochures titled The Myth of Israel #1948. … "Myth #5: Israel is to blame for the Nakba", includes a text by researcher Shany Mor titled "the UN is distorting the meaning of the Nakba: its view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is extremely one-sided".
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/berlin-schools-handout-leaflet-myth-israel-1948

Palestinian Authority says Israeli post-war Gaza plan ‘destined to fail’
“If the world wants security and stability in the region, it must end the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories and recognise the independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital,” Nabil Abu Rudeineh, the spokesperson for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, was quoted as saying on Friday by the Palestinian state news agency Wafa.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/23/palestinian-authority-says-israeli-post-war-gaza-plan-destined-to-fail
https://archive.is/kF7ci

Israel plans to build 3,300 new settlement homes. It says it’s a response to a Palestinian attack
He said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant participated in the discussion. The decision will put in motion approval processes for 300 new homes in the Kedar settlement and 2,350 in Maale Adumim. It will also advance previously approved construction of nearly 700 homes in Efrat.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-settlements-hamas-gaza-war-netanyahu-smotrich-1d2306d55c24c8559b630d9f20db30e2

Egypt: Rights group director faces ‘smear campaign’ after breaking story on Sinai buffer zone
An Egyptian military sourcPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.1771374

> Germany: Berlin schools asked to distribute leaflet describing the 1948 Nakba as a 'myth'
Words cannot express my disgust

 No.1771666

Tybna

 No.1771689

>>1771374
Germans really just cannot help themselves, can they?
Also ty, based News Anon

 No.1771702

>>1771230
>Judge throws out Chicago ballot measure that would fund services for homeless people
>A Cook County judge has rejected a Chicago ballot measure that would have raised a one-time tax on luxury properties to fund services for homeless people after objections from real estate and business groups. The ruling Friday by Judge Kathleen Burke came as early voting for Illinois’ March 19 primary has already started. The tax measure appears on the ballot.

 No.1771704

>>1771702
<pic
come out. Let us kill them with no mercy. Let it be a war of extermination.*



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 No.1771513[Reply]

>muh holodomore le happened
>muh western rhetoric
>muh any evidence on the contrary is commie sympathizers
>libertarianism will le save us all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL-hS2HaA6Q
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 No.1771567

>>1771557
Not to mention it ended up with an African-American minority ruling class with the various local ethnic groups in Liberia becoming a destitute underclass. Segregationists and ethnopluralists are fucking retarded. African-Americans are firmly an American group and racialist delusions pretending they're closer to any sort of Africans are wrong and you're gonna have to make-do with that.

 No.1771570

>>1771554
Limiting reparations to just cutting black people a check and saying sorry isn't going to work, whether or not you can find all the descendants of slaves.

>bringing the slaves back to their home

The US was their home. Importing slaves was outlawed in 1800 so the vast majority of slaves in 1865 were born in the US and were English-speaking Christians. Those who went to Liberia had extreme mortality rates and enforced segregation on the native Africans. Anger about Americo-Liberian chauvinism (and inequality compared to the much poorer indigenous people) was a big factor in the 1980 coup.

 No.1771870

Already BTFO

 No.1771877

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Why tf cant lolberts make a video without nauseating usage of "le funni soyjak"? For all their talk about being "the rational well-read scholars" of internet myth, they really do have the creative skills of an Ipad addicted 12 year old.

 No.1808220

>>1771877
>Why tf cant lolberts make a video without nauseating usage of "le funni soyjak"?
Lolbert ideology is based on "le soyjak maymays"



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 No.1743834[Reply]

However, I am very pragmatic, and looking at the state of the world right now, I can confidently say that the dissolution of the USSR was the biggest mistake of the last century. There seems to be no end to the West's lust for power and hegemony. Their methods of enforcing how they want the world to look like, in their supposed world order, is bringing nothing but death and destruction on all ends.

Every NGO setup, from the UN to the smallest ones, are constantly subverted, whether overtly or not, to serve their own interests, in ways that only expand the injustice with disregards to other people's wills and wishes.
These NGOs were established as a way for dialog to avoid needless wars, yet they are ignored by those taking advantage of huge imbalances in power.

This is sickening to say the least, and peace can never be achieved this way. Obviously, historically, it has always been some version of this, but nowadays, the apparatus of the state, media, whatever, are being used and abused to deter from facts and align with narratives for ulterior motives.
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 No.1747446

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>I am not even a leftist
stopped reading there

 No.1771518

>>1747415
>free market anarchist,
Doesn't exist.
Anarchism is abticapitalist.
You're retarded.

 No.1771520

>>1743848
I love shopping at the ideology store.

 No.1771525

>>1743834
FYI NGOs are established to give high paying jobs to retarded trust fund babies.

 No.1771568

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>>1743848
>Achieving this in the current world is near impossible
That's because private property relations are an artificially imposed construct that have to be enforced
Even the most retarded objectivists accept the need for a state (the nightwatchman state) and to go beyond them makes you full retard. Never go full retard, son.
It's not just the current world, it's any world in which material conditions apply. Theft needs to be enforced somehow which is why the mafia has guns, they are a quasi-state that rules over the lumpen underworld in some ways.



 No.1767464[Reply]

>Without Soviet deliveries of these four major items, Germany could barely have attacked the Soviet Union, let alone come close to victory, even with more intense rationing.
USSRbros…did we fuck up?
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 No.1770033

>retard falls for "the nazi sword was forged in the ussr" myth
ah yes, another day in the west.

 No.1770490

>>1768818
>The part where they dropped their ideas of creating a broad anti-Nazi front with non-communists

With people, who only agreed to negotiations because they wanted to stall for time and prevent USSR from signing anything with Germans, without any desire to actually ally with Soviets against Nazis? No, this failure of coalition with Westoids is Westoids' fault

 No.1771127

If I was Hitler, I would have simply loaned more and imported such materials from elswhere

 No.1771394

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>>1767474
The Soviets supplied military, economic and political support to the Nazis, allowing them to conduct a war in the first place. The soviet policy was to play the Germans against the Anglo Americans. They had a long standing relationship with Germany, and a close economic, political and military relationship with the Nazis, to the extent that Stalin asked to join the axis powers. 😂

 No.1771645

>>1771394
they had a long standing relationship with (weimar) germany until 1933 when all the military training schools in the ussr – which the germans paid for – were immediately closed by hitler.
>Stalin asked to join the axis powers.
i'm sure the head of the comintern actually joining the anti-comintern pact would have definitely happened.



 No.1771245[Reply]

Saying it now
Atlanticist scum, either under the auspices of the rising Climate Behemoth Vanguard of extinction neofascists taking over the West or the unholy alliance between Liberal Imperialism and Zionist Settlerism; are increasingly moving towards extreme belligerence at the UN; from B*rlin passing out deranged propaganda about how the Nakba is a lie crafted by the UN, to Trump's anti-UN stances, Biden taking a stance against the UN to bolster Isr*el; yea, the West is aiming to destroy the UN because the Global South has figured out it is at least an effective means to coordinate and engage each other diplomatically against the West, hence why one of the China led factions is literally called Group of Friends in Defense of the UN Charter
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 No.1771267

>>1771264
sensible take

 No.1771268

>>1771265
I'm OP
I'm not white
And I despise Third Worldists
Nothing I said is in opposition to the working class of the Imperial core
"Atlanticists" =/= Workers in the West

 No.1771286

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>>1771268
My misunderstanding.

 No.1771313

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>>1771264
>The UN is like the Lacanian True Master

 No.1771325

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>League of Nations 2.0



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 No.1770487[Reply]

Am I still a leftist if I agree with Proudhon on a lot of things like property, including his take on feminism?

I mainly disagree with him on his position on political methods, I agree with Marx that shit was naive and never could have worked. But property as theft is golden. I don't want property to lose its class character and pay land rent to the state, I want to abolish both.

I noticed none of the anarchist subreddits ever seem to mention Proudhon even though he is basically the father of anarchism. Did they cancel him for being too much of a chinlet?
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 No.1771258

>>1771252
>thinking its a matter of ideologies first
cmon

 No.1771263

>>1771258
Socialism is already in people's material interests but they haven't revolted, how do you explain that besides ideology?

 No.1771269

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>>1771263
capital breaks labor by making the costs of organizing and failing intimidating, incentivizing individual acts of resistance like work-to-rule, slacking off, etc that do little by themselves to challenge capitalist power

 No.1771276

>>1771241
>>1771254
Saying that communist consciousness emerges through 'the spontaneous class movement' is an exaggeration by simplification, but it's true that the development and escalation of the class struggle itself leads to higher forms of consciousness and organization. It is the job of communists - not leftists - to sharpen and develop this class struggle, and to help the proletariat along its path towards liberation. 'Leftists' lead the proletarian on all sorts of goose-chases, detracting from its energy and strength by enticing it into the ‘marsh’ of tax reform and other petty-bourgeois crusades.

Even when non-proletarians (i.e. Marx, Engels) arrive at a communist consciousness, they do so because they have correctly appraised the changes that the proletariat has wrought in society and the way its movement necessarily tends.

 No.1771307

>>1770487
>>1770487
>I mainly disagree with him on his position on political methods, I agree with Marx that shit was naive and never could have worked. But property as theft is golden. I don't want property to lose its class character and pay land rent to the state, I want to abolish both.
Property can be theft, depending on which kind of property. There is personal and private property. Your own personal dwelling is personal property until it becomes a commodity through the act of sale, realizing its value as price and its use value as value. But if you had your own house and did not sell it, it does not get a value, its price is merely what someone speculated it could be could for, but until it is actually sold for that, it is not that. And if you had money, that is your property, and if you use your money as capital, to make more money, i.e as money to make money, then that money is capital. But the added value, that ability to purchase a commodity, do something to it, and then sell the result as commodity, and make more than you put in, you would have to reconcile this inscrease as either being the result of merely selling it more than it is worth. If we only sell the commodity for its value, then the value added must have come from production. The act of exchange does not itself add value, unless we sell it for more than it is worth. SO the value added comes from production, but how exactly it presents itself is unclear in the bourgeois sciences. They see that the prerequisite commodity and the commodity that is the labor time that went into the commodity are each worth a definite value. For example: Wage: 8 hours work for $120 ($15 an hour), for instance. $7 for each commodity sold. 50 $7 commodities produced in an hour. For 8 hours If you still were to believe that there is no distinction between private and personal property, it might be suggested that you are obfuscating the difference, which some people might be suspicious of. $350 an hour value generated in an hour … 350-120=230 is the surplus that the boss makes from your labor per hour, whereas you merely make 120 in 8 hours. in less than an hour you make enough value for your boss for him to pay you for 8. If you consistently generate 230 of surplPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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 No.1756169[Reply]

Since presidential elections are coming up, what‘s your guys‘ opinion on the socialist candidate de la Cruz? I guess the predictable answer is going to be that any non-establishment candidate is effectively impossible to succeed, but what do you think of her and her running mate as socialists?

That‘s their website
https://votesocialist2024.com/
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 No.1760522

>>1760497
BTN, People's Forum, Empire Files and associates are basically the PSL's inofficial media arm.

Here is a smear piece by the Daily Beast on the connections.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/neville-singham-funded-breakthrough-news-is-pushing-moscow-beijing-propaganda

 No.1761040

>>1760209
>That was PSL yeah.
Based Peltier is a badass, that did nothing wrong!

 No.1761659

>>1756169
WTF is this liberal shit doing on this board
they can't even legalize weed letalone propose any spatial planning

 No.1763796

>>1759399
thank you

 No.1771271

>>1759482
>>1759482
most liberal image



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