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 No.1766541[Reply]

Marxists and other leftists are ultimately idealists because they have unrealistic aspirations that contradict how this world works on a material basis. Marxists like to believe that their predictions are founded on dispassionate analysis that foretells how history is inevitably going to unfold, that capitalism's contradictions will bring about a revolution for worker's to seize the means of production, but in actuality Marxism at its root is founded on wishful thinking. The origin of your analysis is your dislike of your circumstances, not a desire for truth. You then formulated a prophecy to ameliorate your distress. Your analysis is merely a post-hoc rationalization (cope) for an endresult that you've selected beforehand. Your conclusions are strongly biased by that.
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 No.1803411

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>>1766620
>Marxism is just like the theology and then they call theology "idealism".
>Z flag
Let me guess. Trad Orthodox Christianity and Duginism are not idealism? Jordan B Peterson of the East type bullshit.
>>1766807
>Christianity and Islam pretty much say this world is a worthless transient shithole not to focus too much about it.
yeah it's perfect for preventing action from the downtrodden classes. It's a consolation prize. Keep your head down and lick boot and you'll have treasures in heaven. But if you become powerful (like the clergy or the king) you'll roast in hell. It's a huge cope. Not nihilistic at all. Clearly a narrative that serves power once you realize that death is death and the living wish to rule over other living beings.

 No.1803455

>Marxists like to believe that their predictions are founded on dispassionate analysis that foretells how history is inevitably going to unfold, that capitalism's contradictions will bring about a revolution for worker's to seize the means of production
you didn't read the book, I can tell

 No.1803884

>>1766822
>>Resource scarcity
>a fucking myth stop believing in bullshit it's not good for your health
it's fucking mindboggling that people believe the earth is not finite in size. shit's dumber than being a flat earther.

 No.1803911

>>1766620
>Z poster
>ex-marxist anti-communist

you people are on track to being the new larouchites

 No.1803917

>>1803884
Scarcity => Finitude
Finitude =/> Scarcity



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 No.1803618[Reply]

Can any one of you explain why Poles should entertain communism as a serious solution to the evils of capitalism, after all the suffering we have suffered under the red yoke?
The two invasions launched against us by the Soviets. All the arrests, deportations and murders of intellectuals, artists, journalists, political figures, clergymen, military personnel, et cetera. The undemocratic imposition of socialism on Poland, the shutting down of dissidents, and so on.
What reason is there for us to even consider a return to this system, when we've been burned by it so badly?
This is a serious question. You can reply with "poolish subhuman bourgies deserved it, xoxo. death to poland" if you like, but I think you'd find it a rather ineffective argument when appealing to the Polish proletariat. Not to mention the hypocrisy behind claiming to be "for the people", and violently sperging out against a nation, its culture and identity, and therefore its proletariat.
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 No.1803856

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>>1803618
>>1803626
What he ^ said.
Also, socialism rebuilt your cultural sites with Soviet aid, whereas in the West they built only disgusting concrete deserts and shopping malls, selling useless junk.
Literally everything that can be seen in Pooland today minus the ugly skyscrapers, was built/rebuilt by socialism. Thanks to all the socialist infrastructure, your country hasn't devolved into an even worse, third world, shithole. You should be thankful, you ingrate.
>Muh clergymen
LMAO! They weren't repressed hard enough! Filthy Christcuck!

Typical Poolack brainrot.

 No.1803857

>>1803618
>Can any one of you explain why Poles should entertain communism as a serious solution to the evils of capitalism

The production of worldviews is not a linear topic as if we propose your 'morality' as our eternal mediator to take place in and resolve things. Perhaps there is no objective 'evil' to talk about, but dialectical unities and disunities in the history.

>All the arrests, deportations and murders of intellectuals, artists, journalists, political figures, clergymen, military personnel, et cetera. The undemocratic imposition of socialism on Poland, the shutting down of dissidents, and so on.


Democracy is a hollow phrase that the libs glorify as an end of the state form while the state and its mechanisms itself is an authority, an imposed will in its own.

Read
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

>violently sperging out against a nation, its culture and identity, and therefore its proletariat.


The culture and identity will be erased, no exceptions, itz kill or be killed mein friend and we were distressed bolsheviki surrounded by polish philistines.

 No.1803859

communism is when a single bourgeois nation-state invades another, duh

 No.1803883

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>>1803846
Excellent work, comrades. Another victory against the eternal Poolack!

 No.1803889

>>1803843
I don't think that's quite true, and Gursztyn is precisely the sort I mean when I talk about the generation who lived through only the end of the PRL and have been in charge since.



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 No.1767026[Reply]

A thread to discuss community organising whit the aim of protesting the current pollution of the environment
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 No.1781911

>>1771851
>Obviously if you want to be 100% ecological then its human extinction.
Nah. Humans intelligently managing the ecosystem would be better than us disappearing after all the damage we've caused.

>>1771748
One of the benefits of getting rid of capitalism is we can invest research into sustainable and biodegradable or recyclable materials that just aren't profitable and therefore of no interest under capitalism.

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 No.1803483

>>1774103
>The primary focus of the Soviet Union was industrialization, ecology came at last place
sure. but the main point is that the situation we now find ourselves in will require marshalling the sum total of the human species to rectify. this task will require far more coordination and labour input than the second world war. so far there is nothing in the anarchist camp that comes close to addressing the issue, beyond piecemeal nonsense like >>1773976 or smallholder farming or whatever else flavour of the week
>>1781911
>Humans intelligently managing the ecosystem would be better than us disappearing after all the damage we've caused.
this. appeal to nature is a common fallacy. nature is a cruel and shitty control system

 No.1803817

>>1773976
Insane levels of based on display



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 No.1797806[Reply]

Hey /leftypol/, how can we block the Cape of Good Hope?

Use Oekaki if you want to make a diagram to help illustrate your creative scheme. It's up to you to accelerate the fall of capitalism.
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 No.1803540

>>1803514
let's see the Israelis green the Antarctic
actually that might happen by itself in another couple of hundred years of climate change

 No.1803641

>>1803514
Idk how to fat lesbians will block the whole sea but I approve.

 No.1803660

>>1803641
Fat people have plenty of blubber to enable them to float. I'm sure if they just join hands and form a line they can easily block access through the sea route.

 No.1803662

>>1803660
Hmm that makes sense, I guess it takes a lot of determination too and lesbians tend to be stubborn and less passive.

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 No.1803059[Reply]

Protesters in Cuba demand food and electricity as shortages bring hardship
>Hundreds of protesters have taken to the streets in Cuba in recent days as the country faces food shortages and near-full day blackouts.
>Cuba has fallen into a near unprecedented economic crisis since the COVID-19 pandemic, with vast shortages of food, fuel and medicine stoking a record-breaking exodus that has seen upwards of 400,000 people migrate to the United States.
>Cuba's government has for the first time asked the UN's food programme for help as food shortages on the Communist-run island worsen.
>The World Food Programme (WFP) said it had received an unprecedented official request from the Cuban government for help providing powdered milk to children under seven years of age.The request is a sign of the seriousness of Cuba's economic crisis.As well as a shortage of milk, fuel and medicines are also running low
COVID and the US sanctions did serious damage to the Cuban economy. The US media is hyping this up as the end of the Cuban government but they always say that at the slightest protest. What do you think of Cuba and its future?
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 No.1803456

>>1803452
Kinda hard to export to Cuba when you risk of getting sanctioned by USA.

 No.1803550

>That's partially true, says Johanna Cilano Pelaez, a researcher with Amnesty International. "But it's irresponsible to blame U.S. sanctions alone for the state of the Cuban economy," she says.

https://mx.linkedin.com/in/johanna-cilano-pelaez-49a17547

<She is the founder of Government and Political Analysis AC and content coordinator of the magazine “Desafíos de la Democracia en América Latina” by DemoAmlat. Member of the Network of Political Scientists #NoSinMujeres


https://www.idea.int/es/donors

Main sponsors: Sweden and Estonia

Can anybody explain to me why Estonia, but no South American Country, has a interest in promoting Latinas in PolSci? ESTONIA?

<International IDEA & the Netherlands Reaffirm their Partnership for Democracy with Six-Year, 12-million-euro agreement


<International IDEA & Switzerland reaffirm their partnership for democracy with four-year, 3.3-million-euro agreement

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 No.1803558

>>1803384
China values its trade with the US far more than it values Cuba's revolution.

 No.1803688

>>1803456
as the world becomes more multipolar the embargo will be less of a powerful disincentive for trade (it still will be a huge obstacle for cuba since its really close to the united states)

 No.1804431

>>1803558
China has its own people to take care of in addition to the international obligations. It is easy to blab about how easy it is to evade sanctions or whatever as some Western poster online with no skin in the game. If the defense of the revolution were so easy why haven't any Western communists stepped up to defy the sanctions that the Americans imposed, to truly break the embargo with force if necessary and not just protest ineffectively against the Yankee cruelty?



 No.1766911[Reply]

The current world rate of profit is 8%
Where do we go from here?
What happens when it gets to 3%? How about 0?
However you cut the end trail of late stage capitalism
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 No.1803446

>>1767361
giving a shit has only made me a reclusive paranoid hollow husk of a man

 No.1803508

>>1766911
The rate of profit can't be measured like this, and inflation doesn't exist. All we have to do is make the state print money forever, this will induce demand for goods and services, increasing employment and benefiting everybody.

 No.1803526

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>>1803508
certified socdem classic

 No.1803528

>>1767331
Yeah this graph is perfect.

 No.1803974

>>1767361
How can you tell? The x-axis is not labelled.



 No.1797936[Reply]

Successful revolutions are, always were, and always will be the result of the popular uprising of the masses. While a vanguard party serves to strengthen and rally the masses to rise up against exploitation and imperialism, ultimately it is up to popular will to carry the revolution to victory.
A good example of this is the Islamic Revolution in Iran (I will skip over explaining why the revolution was historically progressive, feel free to do your own research). The Shah ran a powerful national security state but was nevertheless deposed by the sheer number of people in support of Khomeini – who acknowledged that his victory was only thanks to popular will. No amount of spying nor sabotage could stop the waves of people occupying the streets of Tehran, just the same as no police force being able to quell riots in 2020 in the USA.

As far as I can tell, surveillance is the purview of Blanquists, fascists, and anarchists, and not a concern for the revolutionary vanguard. Curious about your input though.
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 No.1799504

>>1799356
The issues being that the masses are not the main target of mass surveillance. The state has other tools for that. And it is not likely that 90% of the population is going to simultaneously rise up in revolt.

 No.1799532

>>1799504
>And it is not likely that 90% of the population is going to simultaneously rise up in revolt
I never even remotely suggested this. You've either misunderstood me, or put words in my mouth. You are also quite unfortunately unspecific about which population you're talking about. What of the populations in Chile, in China, in Cuba, Nicaragua, Iran… Do I need to elaborate further? Every successful revolution is ultimately a revolution of the masses.

 No.1799540

>>1799532
Sorry, assuming you were arguing in good faith and simply misunderstood, a population "simultaneously" rising up in revolt is not only a gross mischaracterization of historical revolutions (such as the ones I've mentioned above), it is patently un-marxist, like he literally never even implied that. No serious Marxist ever has. That's a Hollywood idea of what a revolution is.

 No.1799789

>>1797964
Idiotic response. I have to confess my eyes glazed over it.

 No.1803505

>>1798632
>The ex-junkie at my job understands the master-slave dialectic better than y'all
Many roads lead to rome



 No.1803048[Reply]

Supporters of Modi opponent Kejriwal protest his arrest ahead of Indian election
Arvind Kejriwal, who is New Delhi’s top elected official, was arrested Thursday night by the federal Enforcement Directorate, which is controlled by Modi’s government. The agency accused his party and ministers of accepting 1 billion rupees ($12 million) in bribes from liquor contractors nearly two years ago.
https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20240322-supporters-of-modi-opponent-kejriwal-protest-his-arrest-ahead-of-india-election
https://archive.is/kcdxQ

‘Moral failure’: US House approves bill that would ban UNRWA funding
The proposed legislation now goes to the Senate, which must pass it by midnight on Friday, when several government agencies would start running out of money. President Joe Biden has promised to sign the bill into law immediately, if the Democratic-controlled upper chamber of Congress passes the legislation as expected.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/22/moral-failure-us-house-approves-bill-that-would-ban-unrwa-funding
https://archive.is/9Vu9M

Footage of 4 more Turkish UCAVs shot down by the guerrillas
Gerîla TV broadcast footage of Turkish Akıncı, Bayraktar TB2 and ANKA unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAVs) shot down on different dates in the guerrilla-held Medya Defence Zones in southern Kurdistan (northern Iraq).
https://anfenglishmobile.com/kurdistan/footage-of-4-more-turkish-ucavs-shot-down-by-the-guerrillas-72354

Morocco accused of using Israeli weapons to kill civilians in Western Sahara
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 No.1803092

Prosecute a Cop? You’ll Face Removal From Office
Two unions representing police and state troopers in Minnesota wrote a letter to Gov. Tim Walz last friday. An elected prosecutor in Hennepin County, which includes Minneapolis, was prosecuting one of their own, and they wanted her removed from the case — immediately.
https://theintercept.com/2024/03/22/mary-moriarty-minnesota-reform-police-union-removal/
https://archive.is/o9zTN

North Carolina court rules landlord had no repair duty before explosion
In the majority opinion that sided with then-Durham County Superior Court Judge Orlando Hudson’s ruling to dismiss Terry’s lawsuit, Associate Justice Tamara Barringer said that the common law created no duty for a landlord to inspect a leased property. Lucas hadn’t inspected the furnace or and other portion of the property since Terry and his family occupied it, she wrote. Terry’s wife signed a lease for the home in the mid-2000s.
https://apnews.com/article/north-carolina-landlord-tenant-explosion-supreme-court-37356107c0041838346424786afdb103

Texas troops clash with migrants over barbed-wire breach at US border
A group of migrants clashed with Texas national guard troops over a breach of barbed wire fencing in El Paso on Thursday as they waited to turn themselves in to federal border agents – underscoring the power struggle between the state and federal government over immigration law enforcement.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/22/texas-troops-clash-migrants-border-el-paso

FBI: Alaska Airlines passengers may be victims of a crime after Boeing blowout
The Justice Department investigation adds to the legal peril Boeing is facing. The company also is the subject of ongoing probes by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB).
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 No.1803124

From Ang Bayan: Women Bear Half The Imperialist Sky
Filipino women bear the worst effects of the neo-liberal policies imposed by US imperialism and its puppet state in the past four decades. Due to policies of liberalization, deregulation and privatization, they are further marginalized to the fringes of society, where they are forced to endure informal, insecure and jobs with slave-like wages. The majority of women belong to the most exploited and oppressed sectors of society—workers, farmers and indigenous people, the rural and urban poor. In the past decade, more than half of them, age 15 and older, have not been counted as part of the labor force because of the nature of the jobs they perform. Among them are the millions of housewives who engage in farm work and accept “sideline” jobs while burdened with heavy housework and childcare. In 2022, about 20 million were excluded from the labor force, unemployed and underemployed.
https://www.redspark.nu/en/peoples-war/from-ang-bayan-women-bear-half-the-imperialist-sky/

As VP Harris Visits Puerto Rico, Puerto Ricans Call for End to US Colonialism
Vice President Kamala Harris is on her way to Puerto Rico, which is marking two historic events this week: the abolition of slavery and a United States-backed massacre that left 21 Puerto Ricans dead. … On March 21, 1937, Puerto Rican nationalists assembled for a peaceful march on Palm Sunday in the city of Ponce to commemorate the abolition of slavery and protest the imprisonment of their leader, Pedro Albizu Campos. Like the FBI’s J. Edgar Hoover, then U.S.-appointed Gov. Blanton Winship saw Puerto Rican independence activists and groups as a threat to U.S. economic and military control of the island. On his watch, local police fired at and brutalized the marchers, with 21 killed, nearly all civilians, and 200 wounded. A U.S. commission found that Winship lied about marchers initiating the violence, but he was never prosecuted for that or for reportedly ordering the Ponce massacre. The violence of white supremacy and its iterations today, and the violence against pro-independence advocates have been constants, whether under Spanish or U.S. rule.
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 No.1803359

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Thanks News Anon

 No.1803363

World's largest democracy, btw



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 No.1803234[Reply]

 No.1803259

I grade this as 100. This source even tackles controversial questions, like: Are lawyers, doctors, government officials, etc. petty-bourgeois? Their high, excess incomes allow them to accumulate capital. The Canadian Institute of Economics has a more complete grasp of proletarian consciousness than this website.

Who is Petty Bourgeoisie?
In the Manifesto of the Communist Party, Marx described the petty bourgeoisie as:

. . . fluctuating between proletariat and bourgeoisie, and ever renewing itself as a supplementary part of bourgeois society. . . The individual members of this class, however, are being constantly hurled down into the proletariat by the action of competition, and, as modern industry develops, they even see the moment approaching when they will completely disappear as an independent section of modern society, to be replaced in manufactures, agriculture and commerce, by overlookers, bailiffs and shopmen.

The petty bourgeois class includes:
– intellectuals
– scientists
– small business owners
– handicraftsmen
– doctors
– lawyers
– civil servants
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 No.1801207[Reply]

I'm just a guy who likes to wiki international (EU-based) companies whenever I buy from them or hear about them and sometimes I find some gems that were founded before the start of the Nazi takeover and their Wiki conveniently "forgets to mention" their history under nazi rule. Like… How did that corporation benefit from all the concentration camp slave labor and so on? What "aryan" rules they adopt, and so on?

Example: the Dutch retail company SPAR.
<Spar was founded in 1932 in the South Holland town of Zegwaart (now part of Zoetermeer). In 1953, an International Spar office opened in Amsterdam
Yet
<Nazi Germany invaded the Netherlands on 10 May 1940 as part of Fall Gelb (Case Yellow).[1]
Which begs the question: what happened with SPAR between 1940 and 1945?

As far as wikipedia and SPAR PR is concerned: nothing. A complete historic blackout.

What are other examples? What's the real history? Do these companies that were established before Nazi takeover get a pass?
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 No.1801346

>>1801344
>and nobody cares, right?
What are you talking about BDS is a large campaign.

 No.1801451

>>1801344
>you know there are more blatant and well-known cases and nobody cares, right?
>nobody cares
Top 3 hasabra talking point right there. Sure bro, nobody cares about anything. This >>1801274 is sus af also.

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 No.1801617

If you are applying at a European company for a job and they ask you about the gap in your CV ask them about the gap in their company history from 1933 to 1945.

 No.1802659

Sure, the Nazi shit was bad, but what's just as bad is the Marshall Plan just handed back these corporations to their owners. Like, imagine if somebody is trying to kill you, you fight them and win, then give them your stuff back. It makes no sense.



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