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News 4/10/21 News Anon 3.0 04/10/2021 (Sat) 23:31:09 No. 1333298 [Reply]
'Humanitarian and Security' operation leads to capture of 158 ISIS mercenaries in Hol Camp The ‘Humanitarian and Security’ operation launched by the Internal Security Forces to dismantle ISIS cells in Hol Camp in Hesekê Canton on 28 March, lasted 10 days. After the first phase of the operation was completed, the Anti-Terrorist Forces (YAT) continued to carry out special operations. https://anfenglish.com/rojava-syria/humanitarian-and-security-operation-leads-to-capture-of-158-isis-mercenaries-in-hol-camp-51242 Video shows police beating Israeli politician in Jerusalem Ofer Cassif, a Jewish member of the mostly Arab Joint List party, was attending a protest against the expansion of a Jewish settlement in Sheikh Jarrah, a Palestinian neighbourhood of occupied East Jerusalem. “They started to beat me, they broke my glasses … they went crazy,” Cassif said on Friday in the Channel 13 footage. “They didn’t care that I’m a member of parliament,” he said. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/9/video-shows-police-beating-israeli-politician-in-jerusalem https://archive.is/nP4HF How Israel's bragging forced Iran to target its ships and endanger world shipping By repeatedly attacking Iranian ships at sea and celebrating the news through leaks about it, Israel is playing with fire. When the United States and Iran are struggling to find a formula to bring them back to the 2015 nuclear deal, it seems Israel’s leaders and heads of security and intelligence are trying to derail any possible reconciliation between Tehran and Washington. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-iran-bragging-target-world-shipping-endangered Myanmar UN envoy urges no-fly zone as over 80 killed Myanmar’s own ambassador to the United Nations has called for a no-fly zone and sanctions, as the international community puts more pressure on the military government to end a deadly crackdown and restore democracy, and as 83 people were killed, with dozens more reported dead early on Saturday. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/10/myanmar-un-envoy-urges-no-fly-zone-as-army-crackdown-intensifies https://archive.is/lLtvO

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For New Anons and Lurkers: FAQ, rules, and reading list Anonymous Board volunteer 07/05/2020 (Sun) 20:23:05 No. 668788 [Reply] [Last]
Do not put your e-mail in the e-mail field First, Please read this OP. Since we're leftists, there shouldn't be many differences ideologically, but our community has its own jargon and idiosyncrasies which might be jarring to outsiders. Second, although we allow slurs, we are anti-bigotry and it will not be tolerated. Thirdly, the board has an anti-idpol rule. Meaning that discussion of idpol topics is not allowed. There is some flexibility. Where that flexibility is also requires some time to get the feel of it. Fourthly, don't put anything in the name, or email fields. Don't doxx yourself Search the catalog before starting a new thread to avoid duplicates: https://bunkerchan.net/leftypol/catalog.html MOD LOG: If you wish to see the log of mod actions (ban, deletions etc...) see https://bunkerchan.net/logs.js?boardUri=leftypol META DISCUSSIONS AND GENERAL COMPLAINTS AND QUERIES ABOUT THE SITE'S ADMINISTRATION: >>>/gulag/ Useful threads are often remade when expired, search the catalog if these links are broken. Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread >>983378 Internet General >>986104 Original Creations (Memes) >>956315 Market Watch >>8552 USA Unrest >>801173

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>>1332837 Glow harder faggot

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Identity John Spetsnaz 04/07/2021 (Wed) 07:51:45 No. 1332718 [Reply]
IS identity a technology? I think so. Let me elaborate. Now, as a loyal Trump supporting conservative, I am always looking for ways to own the libs. I think Identity, identity politics, or "cancel culture" are technologies. Which means they can be accelerated by cybernetic principles. Identity can be used to destroy liberalism, to destroy leftism, because it is a technological system seeking escape from humanity. As it escapes it destroys everything in its path. Plant essentially argues that womanhood is a technology, so I take that further, identity, the very idea of humans having identity (sex gender race etc) , is a technology. Humans do not have identities, they are thrust upon us by society, culture, etc. That is a technology, a technological system. IT will destroy leftists and liberals because it is a technology escaping. Imagine the conservative “slippery slope” argument of the “left eating itself”. But of course it is no slippery slope, but a feedback loop. Not even the most extreme are safe. Identity continues to push itself farther, from “trans people deserve human rights” to “children must be given puberty blockers” (note, I am NOT criticizing that idea, just describing it) and etc. It won’t stop because IT can’t. I do not mean corporate identity WOC drone operators. But the “decolonization is not a metaphor” “send whites back to Europe” identity politics. The left has no agency over identity, it is a technology spinning outwards beyond leftism, beyond humanity. One day your lives will be ruined for using the “i word” and that word is “idiot” or “insane”. And honestly as a conservative…I want that. A Cultural Revolution is superior to Perpetual Woke Reconstruction because it ends. The easiest way to make liberals AND leftists suffer is to accelerate cancel culture. Unironically, I want this. I hate natsec neocons and liberals and unirconically think they should suffer for calling Bruenigs children ret*rds. Not even as accelerationist policy. Just because its evil. fuck natsec people, can't believe I used to be one of those people. What do you think? Is "idpol" and "cancel culture" a technological system? Also, as a Republican you have my permission to be socialist or communist. I'm tired of being the scapegoat to justify moderate positions. "The republicans will..." Yes, Republicans think all democrats are socialists, regardless of facts. Nothing you can do about that, I speak from experience. There's nothing evil about socialism or communism even if I disagree. Also: What do you think of the "Platypus Affiliated Society"? Based? Or cringe?
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>>1332814 First I want to thank you for responding. Your response is very well thought out. I want to push back, however, because I do not consider identity politics inherently bad, nor do I wish to further such a position. In fact, as a conservative accelerationist, I think identity politics should be accelerated. I think this would be the most effective way to destroy liberalism and leftism. I agree that I am saying that Identity and Technology are external things, as a radical materialist, I would argue that technology exists beyond the human. I also get how you say that technology is inherently linked to humanity, that all of human "concepts" are technological, but I simply disagree that technology is inherently human. Technology is, in itself, a thing that exists outside humanity, and builds itself outside humanity, like a machine constructing itself from its enemy's resources. Thus identity is included in this, it is thrust upon the human because these things otherwise do not exist. The entirety of the human mind is fake, it doesn't exist. I disagree with Descartes. I largely think that "circumstances" are not real, that humanity is not a valid epistemological subject. I'd push back on the idea that identity politics are not teleological. In fact, that's my whole point. Capitalism is necessarily the end point of existence, a teleological catastrophe. If identity politics is a result of neoliberal capital, then 'idpol" is inevitable, because Capitalism is inevitable. It is the ultimate result of biology, having been created from geotrauma.
>>1332718 >“children must be given puberty blockers” (note, I am NOT criticizing that idea, just describing it) you're not criticising giving children puberty blockers..?
>>1332814 >identity are not "thrust" upon the human individual in the sense they are an externalized force that somehow intervenes with the human individual, whose natural state is somehow without identity I'm not OP and i might be going off topic here, but that is exactly how it is. If you want to live as fully human you have to evade all the attempts of others to label you, and push you into an identity straight jacket.
>>1332873 Well, I wouldn't want to be transphobic ;)
>>1332847 Technology doesn't exist beyond the human, technology is simply the principal mode of subjectivation. It grounds the possibility of a becoming-human of the body. So technology isn't an object for the subject, it's more like the transcendental ground of a process that is purely relational and exterior. So identity is not a technology, it's a technical-effect. Stiegler would call this epiphylogenesis. I haven't read Land but you seem to be making this incoherent traversal between a strange Deleuzian machinic view of the world and the claim that everything is governed by teleological necessity. If you're a radical materialist and you criticise the subject of bourgeois philosophy, haven't you just substituted a new subject: capitalism born of "geotrauma"? If you're a radical, that is aleotoric, materialist then it seems ridiculous to eschew the boundless possibilities of the direction towards which we are accelerating. Isn't this just some shitty untermensch nihilism? Are you happy being the last man?

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Anonymous 03/22/2021 (Mon) 12:14:00 No. 1330045 [Reply]
My friend is claiming Che guevera was a nationalist not an internationalist. Can you give me sonme evidence to show he was not a nationalist?
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>>1330045 >Che from Argentina >Che fights in Cuba, Bolivia, Angola, etc How does this constitute nationalism?
>>1333111 Maybe Che was a nationalist who was really bad at geography?
>>1333111 He wanted to annex all those places to Argentina
>>1333142 I chuckled
>>1333111 Latino Nationalism?

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Anonymous 04/11/2021 (Sun) 10:32:03 No. 1333362 [Reply]
>Remind tankies that homeless exist in communist countries. >They use the same arguments as neoliberals.
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>mass homelessness was a problem in the Soviet Union >doubt.jpeg At least provide a source faggot OP for your shit bait

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Anonymous 04/11/2021 (Sun) 10:14:13 No. 1333360 [Reply]
Who are the best non-Marxist socialist philosophers?
>>1333360 BASED

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Anonymous 04/10/2021 (Sat) 04:32:58 No. 1333237 [Reply]
Is there one valid criticism of capitalism that doesn't involve "Evil rich man is evil and rich" or marginalizing all of capitalist theory to just crony capitalism?
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>>1333237 Read Balzac
>>1333269 Well of course, if my workers say there is something wrong then I'll do what I can to fix it. In fact, if I could I would pay with shares of the company that way the companies profits directly correlate to their paycheck and they have a say in the company directly correlated to how much they make it. Unfortunately most workers want an immediate return rather than a deserved one. >>1333294 That's a vulgar view that I wouldn't deny exists, however, that only really happens with cronies. Cronies can only be protected by the government Centralized production is called a monopoly no matter what system it runs under. This is MY biggest criticism of communism; that the purpose is to turn the government in the ultimate monopoly company. And there's nothing I can do against it if it's unfair. In other words, when I defend capitalism, it's not like I'm protecting McDonalds from becoming a monopoly. I just don't want them to become "The McMinistry of Burgers".
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>>1333346 >pay with shares of the company That would require the shares could be buyable by those outside the firm, which would weaken democracy inside it, and reintroduce the class conflict between absentee rentiers and workers. >most workers want an immediate return rather than a deserved one Most workers have no choice, and even those who do face unfair odds against bigger players. >Centralized production Is just one proposal for socialism, and one many socialists such as myself strongly disagree with in its most extreme form. Furthermore, it is already part of capitalism, picrel. >I just don't want them to become "The McMinistry of Burgers" That could be prevented not only by business taking on more aspects of government (democracy, non-market interaction, intentional planning), but by government taking on more features of business (decentralization, localization, pluralism, self-regulating mechanisms). When the two merge, they should become something unrecognizable as strictly either.
>>1333347 >That would require the shares could be buyable by those outside the firm, which would weaken democracy inside it, and reintroduce the class conflict between absentee rentiers and workers. That is assuming the already established democracy allows outside buyers. I have the right to choose who gets shares of my company and I don't think the workers would just let anyone come in and tell them what to do either. Even if we really are pushed into a situation where we need to open to outside help, there's nothing wrong with the investor making sure he has a return on his investment. I've noticed a real disconnect between how America and the rest of the world define socialism and capitalism. >Is just one proposal for socialism, and one many socialists such as myself strongly disagree with in its most extreme form. Furthermore, it is already part of capitalism, picrel. I've noticed a real disconnect of how Americans and the rest of the world define socialism and capitalism. As an American, when I talk about capitalism I mean my right to trade. There is no possible way socialism can work without centralized authority. I'm completely fine with socialism as in helping people with public property. Hell, I even help out at the local church to help feed homeless on weekends, I do more then most socialists I meet. >That could be prevented not only by business taking on more aspects of government (democracy, non-market interaction, intentional planning), but by government taking on more features of business (decentralization, localization, pluralism, self-regulating mechanisms). When the two merge, they should become something unrecognizable as strictly either. I just think the best way to stop businesses from gaining too much power is to give the average person the power to compete with them. The government can just as easily be just as corrupt, or worse, as any super corporation.

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Need help understanding the rightwing of today? Anonymous 04/11/2021 (Sun) 00:12:47 No. 1333302 [Reply]
Here you go
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>>1333309 actually I first saw this image posted late last year and it seems to sum these losers pretty damn well. I still see many kek flags and even brofags on /pol/ to this day and there is barely any resistance to it if at all.
>>1333309 >not marrying until marriage
Read Settlers
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>>1333345 -∞/10 try again
>>1333309 Sunny is that you?

What can I do to help 03/24/2021 (Wed) 05:00:21 No. 1330439 [Reply]
How can I do my part to support leftist causes? I come from a conservative leaning family and they're all in on the whole trump train shit. It makes me sick to be honest. I feel like I can't even go to any BLM protests or anything because my parents would disapprove. What can I do to try and make a difference and fight against right-wing fascism??? I can't stand living in a country where republicans obstruct and block every progressive piece of legislation, It makes me fucking sick. But no matter how much I think about it, I can't figure out what I, on an individual level, can do to actually make a difference. Any ideas? Pic unrelated.
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>>1330439 >I come from a conservative leaning family and they're all in on the whole trump train shit "i want to be revolutionary but my mom won't let me"
You sound really silly, OP. I first thought it was a parody, but Americans kinda are like a parody anyway, so maybe you are real? (Are Americans real though?) >republicans obstruct and block every progressive piece of legislation I have no idea what you mean by that. The Dems don't do anything even when they have big majorities and there's basically 99 % consensus about foreign policy.
>>1330442 kys ultra
>>1332937 lol cry about it
Hello comrade. I am a similar condition as you. The most logical response to right wing fascism is right wing Marxism. Read Nick Land, invest in the destruction of mankind. Also: use your parents money (we all know they let us use their accounts) to give bigger tips, donate a little bit (they won't check the statement) but most importantly give bigger tips. I'm not even a leftist, I'm an anti-human Trump supporter.

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