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"Iran Question" Under Socialism Anonymous 04/06/2021 (Tue) 16:27:50 No. 1332584
Despite how they claim humanitarian for liberating Iranian people,we all know that they only care about imperialism and we should oppose them But what if US become communist? What we should do about "far-right theocracy" of Iran? By comparison they are worse than West,at least they care about their people and science while they exploit their own people and deny science.Iran is literally like an government-corporation,where economy is dominated by highly-corrupt public-sector
>>1332584 >But what if US become communist? Focus on improving communism in the US >What we should do about Iran? Wait for Iranian communists to take over and then give them material aid for development.
#1 thing would probably be consistent foreign policy. In the case of the NATO states, our supposed revulsion against fascists, feudalists, theocrats, warlords, etc., would be far more credible if we weren't openly and proudly trading with and propping up the cartoonishly despotic and backward Wahhabi regimes in the Gulf. And that's without even mentioning NATO's covert ops against many MENA secularists/Westernizers early in the Cold War over economic nationalization and accepting trade with the Warsaw Pact. Just make it a priority to consistently support democracies and secularists, economically shun totalitarians and fundies. Don't let petty politics between private interests or global powerblocs get in the way of that, live up to the UN charter.
>>1332584 Iran is genuinely not that bad, and no way are they worse than "the West" (America). Are they good? No. But they're also one of the few forces standing in the way of Israel and SA doing whatever they want in the region, and tend to be further from pure evil than both of those states. Iran is also probably more benign in some ways than some liberal democracies are - Iran, for instance has a basic income and before they had a basic income they had public subsidies for goods. This is despite economic attacks from "the west" and Iran being economically smaller than some countries with proportionately inferior programs. Considering everything that's supposed to be bad about it and how much smaller it is, Iran seems to outshine the US in terms of things like this.
Oh, and also - if the US magically became socialist there's no fucking way Iran would be on the agenda to fuck with. Even if they were bad for their own citizens it wouldn't be our job to destroy their country and rebuild it for them.
>>1332680 Iran is absolute dogshit you knucklehead >Iran, for instance has a basic income and before they had a basic income they had public subsidies for goods Basically every petrostate has that, even Alaska.
>>1332683 I didn't say they were good, I said they weren't that bad and weren't worse than America. If we're talking imperialism Iran is pretty insignificant. >Basically every petrostate has that, even Alaska. Alaska isn't a country. Provide some actual examples. SA comes to mind, although they also reduced the scope of theirs a lot by making citizenship extremely difficult and they only started their program 7 years after Iran did. So that's 2 countries. The US is economically large enough to pull something like that off nationally, so why does only Alaska have it?
>>1332584 >and deny science >Several studies confirmed an increase in scientific production in all fields in Iran. >Osareh and Marefat studied scientific growth of Iranian researchers based on Medline database from 1976 to 2003 and reported a sharp increase in Iranian science production towards the end of that time span. >Accordingly, Iranian contribution to science increased from 0.0003% in 1970 to 0.29% in 2003. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3129102/#:~:text=Several%20studies%20confirmed%20an%20increase,in%20all%20fields%20in%20Iran.&text=Accordingly%2C%20Iranian%20contribution%20to%20science,16%20countries%20in%20year%202000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran#Science_in_modern_Iran
>>1332680 >Iran, for instance has a basic income and before they had a basic income they had public subsidies for goods No it doesn't have a basic income, and the subsidies are a populist ploy funded with oil money Y'all fucking idiots make me ashamed to admit that I'm center-left or something
Only Dengtards and Duginoids would claim that Iran shouldn't have a proletarian revolution. The Islamic Republic was largely built on the CIA backed repression of Iranian socialists. If the USA became communist, then imperialism would no longer threaten Iran and it would make a proletarian uprising a million times easier.
>>1332758 >No it doesn't have a basic income, and the subsidies are a populist ploy funded with oil money Back up its not having one. I looked it up before I said anything. Just search the "Iran" with "basic income" and you'll be able to see what I saw. Is what I read wrong? Also lol @ "populist ploy funded with oil money." You're right it should be unpopular and funded with debt instead. Lmao
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>>1332836 Bruh I literally said that I actually live in iran, are you trying to educate me on my own country? Also do you really believe subsidizing food by throwing oil money at it is a correct economic solution? Venezuela begs to disagree
>>1332584 The myth of far-right Islamic theocracy of Iran is as hilariously retarded as it is enduring. Iran has some of the highest rates of drug abuse, allowed SRS officially sanctioned by the gov't literally 40 years ago, has more SRS than any other country but Thailand, the young people go out to clubs, etc. It's an utter myth. Also, Israel and Iran are not meaningfully opposed. Rouhani studied sharia law in Glasgow and chums it up with the Chatham house folx, as well.
>>1332879 >allowed SRS officially sanctioned by the gov't literally 40 years ago, has more SRS than any other country but Thailand I vaguely recall that's a direct consequence of Iran's retarded theocracy, where the choices open to faggots are: <a) stoned to death <b) literal state-mandated sissification
>>1332892 Goddamn that is hot
>>1332876 >Bruh I literally said that I actually live in iran, are you trying to educate me on my own country? Why not? Loads of Americans have fuck-all clue how the EC works. I've talked to other Iranians before who viewed the country differently, and all actual documented sources I can find say that Iran has a basic income. You're literally some guy on a chan claiming something with no evidence to back it up besides your being in Iran (which I believe is probably true, but also location spoofing is not that hard and whether or not you're in Iran is basically irrelevant). I've seen loads of Bolivians show up on American sites to claim that Morales wasn't couped, too, ya'll tend to come here to say nutty things. >>1332892 This is actually true though. Which is interesting - Islam has a long history of theological discussions on gender, and in Iran SRS was basically deemed as the least harmful option vs. stoning where you literally have to kill someone for buttsex. But yeah SRS in Iran isn't a symptom of Persian liberalism any more than pederasty in Arabia was some kind of progressive movement. For Iran, SRS was a technological solution to a superstitious moral problem.
>>1332956 >Which is interesting Okay, might be a bit of a out-of-nowhere reply, but you really shouldn't think about it like this, I don't think moralism should be the foundation of any leftist's beliefs as that can only lead to utopianism, but you shouldn't become so alienated from people in Iran that you see such a horrific state of affairs as this neat thing. In addition, I think you've gotten to caught up in the culture war surrounding anti-Imperialist support of these kinds of nations, and I say that as one such anti-Imperialist supporter of Iran against America, you should remember that is a purely strategic position. I hope you don't genuinely believe any dictatorship of the bourgeoise cares about the proles under it's care.
>>1332966 Yeah, the thing to remember about theocracy (and traditionalism in general) is its ability to be mindbogglingly oppressive in ways people from modern secular societies have difficulty understanding. For instance, while Iran and other backward fundie states are obviously legally explicit patriarchies that deny or restrict numerous rights of women: https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/iran/report-iran/ They also exhibit astonishing repressiveness against men even within the context of those exact patriarchal rules and institutions: https://www.avoiceformen.com/gynocentrism/the-myth-of-patriarchal-oppression-in-iran/
>>1332763 >Only Dengtards and Duginoids would claim that Iran shouldn't have a proletarian revolution. The Islamic Republic was largely built on the CIA backed repression of Iranian socialists. If the USA became communist, then imperialism would no longer threaten Iran and it would make a proletarian uprising a million times easier.

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