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๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ต/dprk/ -- DPR Korea General๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ต Comrade 08/05/2019 (Mon) 14:04:23 No. 9051
Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc. Archive of first ~500 posts on original thread: https://archive.fo/pRkxK Subsequent archives: https://archive.fo/https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2265496.html Related archives: https://archive.fo/HbuXi https://archive.fo/https://8ch.net/leftpol/res/36983.html
Edited last time by krates on 11/26/2020 (Thu) 02:57:43.
>>972531 Kim looks great in a trenchcoat and has a really good voice. All he needs to do is exercise.
>>972084 >Socialist militaries tend to hand out medals and decorations alot more. Medals help boost morale, enthusiasm and distinguished performance among soldiers. >Militaries Socialist Countries overall had medals for EVERYTHING. Especially the USSR and the DDR. Hard work, good activism, long service, devotion to the party etc. etc. It gave people more of an incentive to simply participate in society.
>>977704 there's actually a lot of modern research to show that physical awards for merit or otherwise are good for the psychological development of children. it's like rites of passage. I have lived almost 30 years on this earth and have zero medals, despite doing a pretty okay job at life.
>>977867 >They actually held it at midnight Holy shit
>>978036 NK watch reported pretty early through "pyongyang sources" that there was the sound of tanks and jets in early morning hours. I'm really curious what these "sources" are considering there's no foreigners (afaik) in the DPRK currently.
>>978051 there are foreigners in the DPRK, it's just literally all of them live there because they're communist.
>>978055 Foreigners with outside contact, I mean.
>>977867 Why is Kim trying very hard to copy China? this looks like a knockoff of Chinese parades Anyways the new MBT and ICBM are hella cool.
>>978122 looks like any other communist parade in existence, anon.
holy shit, new tanks?
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>>978136 Looks like an Armata copy >>978129 It's a serious departure from previous Nork Parades. >No WPK flag raising ceremony >Kim Il Sung & Kim Jong Il's motorcade didn't roll by >Chinese uniforms >Casual, non military orchestra in the middle of the parade >Goose stepping was toned down a lot >Held midnight, of all possible times
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Largest mobile ICBM in the world. Range estimates over 7,000 miles. This absolute unit can easily hit the US and Europe.
>>978146 And this is how the Sun sets over the last reamining socialist civilization. Sad.
>>978159 >This absolute unit can easily hit the US and Europe. If only they didn't burn in the re-entry phase. ICBMs are a joke.
They're distancing themselves from the "last cold-war era communist stronghold" posture and trying to adopt Chinese aesthetics.
>>978146 Is this tank on the same tier as the Armata or is it just aesthetic? >>978159 Also this is based beyond belief >>978202 As long as it is a matter of aesthetics i see no problem with it. The problem is if they turn full dengoid.
>>978253 >The problem is if they turn full dengoid. Doubtful, Xi is fulsome in his praise for best korea's approach to socialism
>>978146 Not forgetting >No Korean war reenactors
>>978277 Will be good as a litmus test of Xi's intentions in the long term I think.
>75 years old The WPK is older than the USSR.
>>977400 Thanks! So KIS convictions were right!
>>977867 Based
>>978184 Erm, no?
>>978281 weird considering that this is the birthday of the party, usually you have the old uniforms. However, since North Korea has all this new shit to show, I understand why they went for the modern approach. If they do this again this year then I'll be concerned.
Happy Birthday, WPK t. gracefag
>>978564 piss off wanker
Un sounded like he was on the verge of tears in that speech.
>>978564 based
I kind of like these new uniforms, the tactical ones look actually modern and the ceremonial ones remain soviet esque
I hope this is the "it's not a phase, mom" of the DPRK. I don't want my baby boy to grow up. I liked them the way they were. This modern country LARP is shit and can lead to many undesirable consequences from a dialectical/materialist perspective.
>>978606 >I want North Korean soldiers to wear plastic toys for equipment No. North Korea has progressed and beaten the tide of COVID and actually have increased their spending capabilities. Their Army no longer looks like it's from the 1960's. Shut the fuck up.
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>>978606 >This modern country LARP is shit and can lead to many undesirable consequences from a dialectical/materialist perspective. Could you care to explain how this leads to undesirable consequences from a dialectical/materialist perspective?
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>>978614 I don't mind new gear and equipment. I don't like the new Chinese uniforms, adopting the Chinese goose step, these dumb brass uniforms, a dude singing the national anthem when the flag gets thrown up, a concert orchestra playing music for a parade, no WPK flag, no eternal president/Jong Il ceremony, no reenactors. I don't like this "look, we're a modern country now, we don't goose step anymore, we don't worship our leaders like we used to" thing.
Imagine watching T-34's going down red square in 1934 for the first time and saying "it's over, the Soviet Union is no longer communist."
>>978642 Because that's a 2 year old photo, retard.
>>978639 It is still a goose step, just not as exaggerated as before.
>>978639 I thought the goose step was adopted from the Soviets. But to be honest the North Korean goose step is much too violent, and I think physically harmful to the soldiers.
>>978639 >the new chinese uniforms >post camo uniforms intermixed with modernised uniforms based off of the korean war Also the goose stepping that you referred to was something they did from 1991 onwards. It looked ridiculous, and now they've removed it. It wasn't an old practice.
>>978639 They look more capable and competent though.
>>978654 camo =/= uniform, dumbass. NK adopted a lot of Chinese uniforms from the recent parade for officer cadres. Also that photo is from 2018.
>>978662 then why do all the officers look the NKVD with the arm insignia and the golden embroidery? It looks nothing like the PLA. I looks more like Stalin's Soviet Union.
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>>978662 >if you adopt a pattern of uniform you are automatically LARPing as that country I guess the Soviets were Nazis.
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>>978569 >>978589 DPRK gets my seal of approval. Love it or hate it.
>>978662 Noooooooooooooooooo Their uniform looked so good, why did they had to go full autism and replace them? Like someone posted earlier, I think they want to tone down the Songun tradition and really focus on building a modern economy. If they reduce their defensive budget they can focus on building the socialist utopia.
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>>978667 Ok why deal away with important symbolic and ideological elements like raising the WPK flag alongside the national flag and pic related? what about the Korean war reenactors? What's the reason for shit like this? Why even change the brass' uniforms? if it ain't broken, don't fix it.
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>>978676 The DPRK certainly wouldn't give you their seal of approval.
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Their updating of gear and uniforms can be easily explained as preparation for when USA has a power vacuum during civil war.
Military parade is full autism and this thread is further proof of that.
>>978682 Because they wanted to show off their new tech. Also Kim Jung Un's speech was incredibly long. The country has been effected massively with flooding and covid anyway so calm down. Wait for the Korean War celebrations, the Militia will do their march, trust me.
>>978654 It feels to me like North Korea, while still emphasizing the military, is dialing back the hyper-intensified military-first stuff at least somewhat that set in after the collapse of the USSR. Still highly militarized but the economy has improved and their position is relatively more secure because they have nukes now. Also the extreme goose step they were doing was probably pretty painful and could cause injury. It's not good for the soldiers to march like that. They have to practice that a lot while slamming their legs down onto the concrete and going RAH! RAH! RAH! But it creates a fearsome impression that nobody can mess with them, but to me it is like over-compensating for their weak position and making the soldiers pay for it.
>>978693 A man can dream, anon. A man can dream.
I'm quite a mad commie militaria collector so I'd do anything to get one of those North Korean kepis, even a replica.
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>>978709 You could always donate to the Korean Friendship Association and get their pin: https://www.kfausa.org/store/ And it's legit. The KFA has full recognition from the DPRK as its overseas supporters club.
>he believed the "it caused severe joint damage to the soldiers" sob stories An average soldier's training is way more intensive than practicing how to goose step, you're aware of that right?
>>978715 Most of that is actually practical in terms of stuff they'll actually have to do while fighting, while goose stepping is for parades and I'd rather the soldiers not fuck their knees up, although I am sorry you're not as entertained as you were before.
>When you're disappointed in the new DPRK parade: https://youtu.be/C5KjkwfYYBw
>>978714 I know fully well about the KFA. I even considered joining it once.
>>978641 Funny you make this comparison. There was a similar phenomena to what we're seeing towards the end of the USSR under Gorby's dumb leadership. Soviet symbolism and aesthetics was tuned down largely when he was in charge. Gorby re-introduced V-day red square parades. In contrast to October Revolution day the V-day celebrations had some subtle changes that steered them towards a more Russian-nationalistic direction, instead of a Proletarian/Soviet/Communist one. Excessive socialist symbols were tuned down, less stars, less hammers, less sickles, no republic flags, no portraits of Lenin, more cultural aspects like the Russian new year tree. Gorby was ushering a "new era" where hardcore symbolism, authoritarianism and things that liberals viewed as bad were being dealt away with in favor of liberalized communism. This is why the reasons for concern with the scene shifting in the DPRK is valid. They're not clasping and proudly displaying the Juche spirit like before in favor of a "modern" approach more palatable to individualistic westerners who are the products of neoliberal MoP's and were brainwashed for decades to associate state symbolism, patriotism, parades, torchlight marches etc etc with commie authoritarian shitholes.
>>978770 It's funny because after stalins death their was a huge boost in leninist aesthetics during marches, like Budenovkas being sold as hats to wear by spectators etc. I can't believe people are using uniform and equipment changes as proof of the political revisionism of a country
>>978778 >I can't believe people are using uniform and equipment changes You're missing a lot of other changes.
How is the DPRK doing economically? I hear its more connected with the PRC at this point.
>>978785 >muh goose step
>>978811 >being this obtuse The two Kim's motorcade wasn't in. That's the first time it EVER happens in an occasion like this in 30 years. The WPK flag was always put up with the DPRK flag as well since the existence of the DPRK, so that's a first in over 70 years that it wasn't up there. Wriggle your way out of this one.
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>>978791 External analysts foresaw a miniscule GDP growth this year, surprisingly. It's a first in a very long time. From an internal aspect Kim has been gallivanting about upcoming economic hardships and has put down an 80 day march to meet some missed deadlines for the 5 year plan he put down during the 7th WPK congress in 2016. He's also been clamping down very hard on corruption and mismanagement, which suggests he's not pleased with his civil development cadres. Trade with China came largely to a standstill after the coof, which does not please some smugglers according to external reports. There's a huge build up of aid, materials and supplies on the border with China that the DPRK is very slowly letting in due to their fears of the virus. I think the DPRK will feel the consequences of the flood very soon and will have a bumpy road next year for it.
>>978825 you're autistic?
>>978862 How bad was the flood? Usually North Korea has a pretty good system of rebuilding and resettling. Does anyone have pictures of like the North Korean Workers Militia building homes?
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>>979058 Don't know, don't have the whole picture on the damage. But it stirred up a storm in the DPRK. There was several broadcasted newsreels of volunteers/reserves building new homes for flood victims. >>882432
Will the DPRK release the basic specs for these tanks? Do they have an official name? And also, why are they painted in a sandy camo?
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US says they are "disappointed" in North Korea prioritizing military spending over a "brighter future" for the people
>>979097 NK has never publicized any details for any of their weapons afaik. All what floats around is estimates/predictions by observers.
>>979101 What like, helping flood victims and giving the people of Korea a stronger sense of security?
>>979097 >Will the DPRK release the basic specs for these tanks? Highly unlikely, considering many Western nations haven't released the full specifications of even 30 year old tanks' armor, ammo penetration, etc I really doubt the DPRK will do so for a new tank.
>>979130 I mean like, it's attributes and main features that separate it from the T-80's (?) they've been using?
>>979101 >>979123 It's ridiculous as fuck but expected from the US. DPRK officials themselves have stated that since the consolidation of their nuclear program is completed they'll be able to prioritize economic development much more from now on.
>>979142 I'm not sure then, but if what >>979114 says is correct then we'll only be able to speculate.
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>>979114 >>979130 >>979142 >>979148 They look awfully like the Russian Armata tanks. Whether they have a similar anti-projectile system is unknown until we see either combat tests of these tanks or further information by the Korean Peoples Army If these tanks do have that system, the South Koreans should probably consider shuddering in their boots.
>>979144 >consolidation Is it, though? NK has a very bad track record with launches. This new ICBM is untested.
This could be just a sign that Songun period is ending; after all the country has achieved to create deterrence with a strong army, and if i'm not wrong even Kim itself said that the focus was about to shift into consumer goods.
>>979165 >inb4 yet another north korean scare when they start testing again Un is probably pissed with the US once again.
>>979165 The Icbm has not even to work 8for now): it only works as a display of pure deterrence IMHO, of the "you know we can do itnow" type
>>979165 Considering it's the first time they have said something like this, I'd don't see why we wouldn't believe them.
>>979058 >Does anyone have pictures of like the North Korean Workers Militia building homes? https://youtu.be/ZNFqfR3Abyg
>>978650 goddamn fat soyburger detected
This video also has footage of relief efforts and volunteer units marching to the flood-hit areas: https://youtu.be/pw5nqNbEXy8 It's also interesting. DPRK vlogging. A friend of mine who has spent some time in China and run into North Koreans there (at airports, etc.) said that they remind him of what Chinese people were like in the early 90s.
>>979230 How about you go goosestepping up and down your street for three or four days and then come back and tell me how you did
>>979162 Those are copies which are likely incredibly shitty compared to what SK has.
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>>979162 If all the equipment on this is functional than I'm honestly surprised. The amount of new equipment in this parade is stunning. But it also tells long tales about how much the DPRK's been spending on the military. New infantry kit, plates, NVG's for KPAAF, wearable military computers, that fancy OICW is more standard now, accessories for the 74's, all the new AFV's, that Stryker-like AFV, the MBT, the gargantuan ICBM. I'm very happy for them. I don't like many things and the direction they took with a lot of things in this parade. KJU has been rehauling and reworking too many things since he took charge. Including removing the portraits of Lenin & Marx from KIS square. And this parade he removed the KJI & KIS entrance.
>>978696 >their new tech. What new tech? Fake new tanks made with cardboard? They are scrapping their army and selling it.
>>978729 >goosestep is harmful kill yourself ok?
>>979261 Why is goosestepping so important to you?
>>979238 Already done. I'm a communist, not a maggot.
>>978650 Soviets didn't goose step in parades. They had one ceremonial goose step that was high and pronounced. This is the Nork goose step. It's similar to the Chinese one.
>>978924 Do you know how an ICBM works? They go into space 1000 Km high. What do you think happens when they return to Earth? They burn like meteors. Nobody ever witnessed an ICBM crashing to the ground.
>>979274 >Already done. I'm a communist, not a maggot. You're a faggot.
Goddamn why does DPRK stuff attract the hardcore weirdos? Totalitarian / dictator worship.
>>979245 >Including removing the portraits of Lenin & Marx from KIS square Marx hated personality cults so I think he'd be fine with it.
>>979472 Whatever, freak. I don't think North Korea is totalitarian. There are a weirdos on the internet who are attracted to it because of a e s t h e t i c s and whether they call themselves communists are Nazis they're the same people whining about their favorite toy soldiers not goose stepping anymore.
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>>979487 Aesthetics are cool. Sorry you're too much of a reddit normie to be able to pick up fine details, regurgitate them, dissect them and appreciate the finer points of bigger picture. Which is why all you can think of something like this is "toy soldiers marching" (what a karen tier statement) Not him btw
>>979524 Military parade aesthetics are cringe and being this much of an autist about it makes it even more cringe. When people bemoan that all leftists are LARPers nowadays, it is stuff like this they mean.
>>979543 You're a cringe autist who's got a 13 inch horse dildo rammed up his ass over something that your infantile, simpleton brain can only process as "LARP". This is a huge geopolitical event that's effect is gonna ripple for months up to years. This along with a missile test are some of the biggest gestures the DPRK can do. I'm sorry no one is a dusty autistic hunchback like you who's memorized 30 theory tomes and cares exclusively about theory. If you go outside your pathetic basement you'll find out that the world is bigger than that and has much more interaction. And that a military parade is more than just "toy soldiers marching" and has purposes.
>>979566 I'm sorry, but DPRK military parades are pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, especially when it comes to what we like to term real shit.
>>979575 >pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things Except when they roll out the largest mobile ICBM in the world, an ICBM that can cover most of the globe, new unidentified MRLS systems that can hit any place in the south, make every neighboring country revise their cards, etc.
>>979582 You don't think intelligence services know about the ICBM until they see the parade? That's, well, somewhat naive.
>>979543 Read this >>978770 The fact that most people consider military aesthetics autistic or irrelevant may be one of the reasons why this change may be important. The higher ups can slowly change details to steer things in the direction they want. It may be revealing of what will happen in the years to come. But alas, it's just speculation at this point. The problem with North Korea is that you have so few info about internal struggle inside the country that you can only speculate through ridiculous shit like this.
>>979460 Better a faggot than a fat blob with no joints whose only purpose in life is to drink as much high fructose corn syrup as he can.
>>979650 holy fucking based
>>979650 You can't be pro-DPRK if you are againsts fat blobs with no joints whose only purpose in life is to drink as much high fructose corn syrup, you know.
>>977393 Yeah if it was one on one the KPA would've wiped the floor with the southern army in 1950. Only the USA kept its puppet alive.
>>979797 This. How did the war start again? Didn't the Korean Workers Party of South Korea get banned (which is why the Korean Workers Party was formed) and the Chinese and Norks agreed democracy was no longer an option?
>>979857 Something like that, I know that SK banned a lot of the councils left after the end of the short lived unified Korea, while the soviets worked with the councils that were left in North.
>>979924 North Korean goosestepping isn't tradition, retard. They started in the early 90's.
>>979857 SK imprisoned and murdered communists. Rhee was a fascist tyrant.
>>979933 Not to mention sending people who didn't want to fight their brothers on death marches.
>>979516 This seems like regular goose step
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Superior goose step coming through
>>979970 if you're stupid, that is
Is it just me, or did I hear German marching music during that march?
>>979970 based >>979928 source?
>>980043 Retard
>>980055 No really. https://youtu.be/ntIt_eouGzk?t=659 this melody is from a German Marching Song, I distinctly remember it.
>>980051 >source? Ok, I've seen it. It was still badass, today is just gay chinese-style.
>>980098 It's a segment from Alte Kameraden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRgADKjcp9E
>>980121 gracefag will cum his pants
>>980127 Not really. It was most likely given to the North Korean army by the East Germans. The East Germans continued to play Prussian march music in their parades.
>>980098 Imbecile, it's merely a similar melody. Fucking wehraboo fags shitting up this thread
>>980196 >similar melody it's exactly the fucking same
>>980196 >Imbecile Medo-phonecian LARPoids shitting up this thread seems to be the actual issue.
>>980218 No anon it's literally >>980135 It's East Germans giving Norks the right to use prussian music. I bet if you go through some old marches you'll hear it again.
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>>980214 >Medo-phonecian LARPoids What did you just say, you little shit?
>>979924 >Reject Modernity, Embrace Tradition Amusing that this goes for a shitloads of /leftypol/ and leftists in general. Were the hardliners in the August putsch reactionary? according to some libs pretending to be leftists yes they were. Sometimes 'conservatism' is more leftist than 'progressivism'. They're all terms that mean entirely different things when placed on a specific context. Progressivism and liberals killed the Soviet union, while 'hardliners' and 'conservatives' were the ones trying to keep it from falling to pieces. The status quo is changing significantly in NK, which is why some people have a right to be concerned. KJU changed NK in 5 years way more than what Jong Il did in his entire tenure. He's taking NK to places and changing things, but the question is whether or not is it a good direction.
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DPRK tracksuit.
>>979857 Like every divided country after WW2 there was a promise from both sides to hold a free countrywide election after order was restored and trials were held. But since communists were the only people that actually resisted occupation (guy who shouldered a rifle and shot Il Duce became a communist member of parliament to give you an example) it was clear who would win them so Americans couldn't accept it. That's why you have the FRG, DPRK (later Vietnamese divide) etc. In Korea's case there was an unified state for a time called People's Republic of Korea that was governed by councils that were heavily dominated by trade unionists, communists, social democrats and left in general. Americans saw the writing on the wall and forcefully dissolved them in their occupation zone and rehabilitated old Japanese collaborators since they were the only bourgeoisie left and established the ROK. The leftover councils then established DPRK.
>>980218 >KJU is a nazi swiss college pupil Big cringe.
Kim was crying because he has no choice but to betray the country.
>>980288 he's crying because retards like you autistically obsess with tiny things about his country
thinking of going on a five day trip to the dprk next year or whenever corona wares off.
>>980347 same. It would be amazing to travel there.
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Have you guys seen this? Not sure if I'm late to the party. Copied from cuckchan: " >Unemployed Danish guy larps as a commie for 10 years >Infiltrates North Korean organization in Scandinavia >Gets some other larper to pose as a wealthy businessman who wants to buy weapons >They're introduced to extremely high officials in North Korea who negotiates a deal to build a factory on a Ugandan island to produce missiles and methamphetaimes >Meets with corrupt Ugandan government officials to make sure things would go smooth >North Korean officials also want the Danes to smuggle arms into Syria for them >Turns out the Danish larpers were filming everything to "document for the other investors" and with hidden cameras >3 hour long documentary This shit is beyond bizarre. The news broke like 3 hours ago. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54464581
>>982614 damn, this is spicy. I will have to wait for some rips to show up.
>>982614 Imagine being so cucked you spend 3 years of your life pretending to be a communist so you can expose communistsbfor skirting united states sanctions like it's a bad thing or something.
>>982643 >Noooo you can't just dodge the sanctions
>>982614 For what purpose?
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>>982649 This is the guy who made it Every time
>>982652 >No top hair >All bottom hair Despicable. Niggะตr forgot to take his zinc + biotin.
>>982649 Doubt he was "unemployed" the whole time while doing that.
>>982614 damn they made our boy cry
>>982614 The problem with the KFA is that the North Koreans purposely want it to have no agenda to try to appeal to normalfags. But when you appeal to normalfags they do this shit.
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I am dane, and I just have to say: Fuck Mads Brรผgger and "the mole". Listen to our song instead: https://soundcloud.com/user-276969110/dprkfuntostay
>>983535 based
North Korea just makes me optimistic. Why nostalgia pander to East Germany and Stalinist Russia when we have a Korean version already?
https://kcnawatch.org/newstream/1601932697-683745083/title-of-kpa-marshal-conferred-in-dprk/ Pak Jong-chon & Ri Pyong-chol were simultaneously promoted to KPA marshals shortly before the parade
Pak Jong-Chon ascended from literally who to the top very quickly this year.
>>986268 Who is this guy and why should I care?
>>986309 Chief of staff of KPA, and now a KPA marshal. >why should I care? I don't know what to tell you. You're in the DPRK thread.
>Kim Il Sung & Kim Jong Il's guard didn't participate in the parade, first time since Kim Il Sung died >their portraits were also removed from the front and placed in a more inconspicuous spot on the library's faรงade What does this mean?
>>986490 That combined with the unusual self-criticism of Kim Jong-un in his speech probably means that he seeks to normalize the personality cult a bit.
>>986656 *by "normalize" I mean tone it down a little. It's early in the morning.
>>986656 Kinda cool, actually. They're cooling down a bit, they're becoming like the DDR. More concerned with promoting the state than the leaders.
>>986490 My instinct says it is a symbol of the DPRK calming down and settling into what it believes is a relatively secure path forward. The country has existed under the threat of war for decades, perhaps their work on keeping things under control has paid off to the point they don't need to be so militant.
>>986846 I guess their army has been upgraded so well they no longer fear American intervention and can settle down and build society a bit more.
>>987877 >covid coup There was no COVID in DPRK. The defector who came back and was suspected of having it was a false alarm.
>>987877 >covid coup Explain?
>>986656 Why is KJU cucking out?
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Why does this thread exist? There is no communism here. There is no Socialism here There is no democracy, or liberty, or really any of that good shit. And also, they use MONEY AND CLASS
>>988269 >be burger >where are the liberties here? you took them, humongous faggot
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Massive Torchlight Rally to Celebrate 75th WPK Founding https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02jLOy7YeFU This rally has the cars with the Kim Il Sung flag and Kim Jong Il flag which some people here were freaking out about
>>988269 Whether theyโ€™re socialist or not seems pretty irrelevant to me as far as whether this thread should exist or not.
Are things looking better, DPRK trads? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20OUTGv3tD0
>>988269 those are labor vauchers
>>988292 >Took Assuming I have control? Don't be a fool and blame the proles. The united states has always been an oligarchy with a mask.
>>988340 you're complicit in your inaction
>>988337 Nah, that looks exactly like some goddamn cash money. And also, fuck labour vouchers. >>988319 It kinda does actually considering not many people who use this site (if there are any) are actually from there. On top of that, it would mean that said state is not left. Therefore, it would only deserve a short humiliation thread instead of this shit.
>>988351 Complicit? Explain.
>>988358 Which states, if any, do you consider to be left?
>>988304 >everyone suddenly wearing masks
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>>9051 imagine if the US peaced out here
How can people say the DPRK is a Monarchy when the whole purpose of the chairman of the WPK is to follow the will of the party membership?
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>>988757 I love how even mainstream media like homefront believes North Korea is an Ethnostate.
>>988769 NK is an "ethnostate" in all but name. Though not for the same reasons fascist ethnostate fetishizers think.
>>988783 It's (almost) entirely Korean primarily due to the fact that one, it's a closed off country and two, only communists would want to live there.
>>988750 Some people in the government are related, therefore monarchy. By this logic there are dozens of republics all over the world which are actually monarchies.
>>988788 >it's a closed off country duh? is this supposed to be a hot take? Anyways NK also has bloodline chauvinism. >>988793 Understatement of the century. Are all tankies this retarded? I'm a DPRK shill but will never ever try to polish things to something they aren't.
>>988801 >Anyways NK also has bloodline chauvinism. Proof.
>>988813 The cult around Paektu-san guerillas.
>>988858 How the fuck is that bloodline chauvanism? Thats were the guerilla army against the japanese was headquartered. Is remembering the Chinese Red Army and Viet Cong also bloodline chauvinism?
>>988858 >>988801 what a retarded mong you are
>>988304 Aesthetic
>>988757 fuck that would be so nice; plenty of rice and oil
I've asked this before but I got no answer; does anyone have an updated list of WPK politburo members?
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>>988304 There's a whole series of these parades happening right now. https://youtu.be/OQTRTO4OU1Q https://youtu.be/tIMC8RNiwJA
>>993680 I now have North Park waifu
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Anybody see this film? Sounds amazing.
>>996288 that doesn't sound real.
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watching people crying during Un's speech in the 75th anniversary awoke something inside me
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>biggest mobile ICBM in the world >new MBT >new AR's >long list of new AFV's, trucks, APC's, etc >several MRL systems including the longest range GPS guided MRLS in the world >thermonuclear SLBM's >two satellites in space >economy moving forward All of this was done through intense sanctions & floods Is this the power of Juche magic?
>>988269 shut up, retard
>>1000504 Everything but the tanks looks like a bootleg version of 1960's Soviet tech. Also I'm 99% sure the "missiles" on those trucks are plastic tubes.
>>988269 Based
>>1004277 That is standard practice in military parades so they don't have to take a functional missile out of service. Instead they just display an empty shell.
i tried listening to VOK through this website: http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901 you can faintly hear kim jong-il's song.
>>1004362 They arent shells, they are literally plastic clones. And that doesnt change the fact that those vehicles are made out of cardboard.
>>1004277 t. twitter comment section weapons expert please kill yourself
What's the real story on Otto Warmbier? Junior glowie intern that got caught? Caught some disease in DPRK that's not in US? Just steal a poster?
>>992358 I'm am BEYOND tired of these BASSLESS claims that the dprk shoots the sick.
>>1008740 okay. show proof.
>>1004249 Holy shit that was pretty cool.
>>1008818 NK is a degenerated workers state with the Kim monarchy being worshipped as "gods". Political revolution is inevitable, it would be interesting to see where the pendulum swings the more materially wealthy they become. Would they repeat the fate of the eastern block? I don't know. Fuck korea, hope the entire peninsula gets irradiated.
>>1009930 imagine being a reactionary who simps for monarchy
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>>1010445 Ah yes, men supposedly "portrayed as gods" who admit to and apologize for not doing well enough "hereditary monarchs" who don't even get the same political office of their fathers
>>1010445 >Fuck korea, hope the entire peninsula gets irradiated. did you get harassed by some k-pop stans and/or juchefags, or are you just white gaijin wannabe?
>>1011012 Man, this is such a massive COPE. Firstly, representative "democracy" is shit, and socialist party "democracy" is shit squared because it's a fucking doublethink with internal party structure mirroring government bodies. In all cases of this kinda government structure Supreme People's Assembly always was reduced to a purely symbolic function. All state power was in the Party, it's Central Committee, and PARTICULARLY Politburo. Now lets look at Kim, he is a Chairman of the Party, he is in a Presidium of Politburo, AND he is a Chairman of State Affairs Comission, AND he is a commander-in-chief of Army. So, summing up, Kim is a head of Party, head of Government, AND head of Army. If you think this shit is normal and sustainable in the long run, then you need to fucking read a book about how soviet or any eastern block party politics worked. There were first bells already with Kim's half-brother Nam admitting that he was sacked by his father because he wanted reforms and to introduce more markets, and his uncle getting purged because he wanted to go Deng road. With this kinda government structure there would always be danger of succession crisis, whether it would be a member of the Kim family or just a rando party bureaucrat. And I'm not even talking about how many hoops you need to jump thru to justify this shit from a marxist perspective. Also Space I hope you die from corona slowly bitch, tried to upload image thru tor for fucking twenty minutes, you glowing fucking bitch
>>1008690 if all this content about KJU resurrecting people was spurred from that fake news about DPRK compilation I made last year, then I can say i'm very proud of myself.
>>1011266 fuck off, adult people having a conversation here.
prove that the caste system is not real
>>1011012 Got a link for the book he mentions? Understaning Politics: Korea
>>1011299 Kim Jong un is part japanese
>>1011323 his wife is half Japanese
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>>890020 I love North Korea because it promote racial segregation ..... Fucking dumb ass who supports racemixing
>>1011357 The third wife of American defector Joe Dresnok was a half black Korean and they had a son
>>1011372 >they found the only racemixed Korean woman north of the 38th parallel just to wed her to one of the handful non-Korean defectors they have
>>1011517 And to note this is a running theme with foreigner defectors living in the DPRK. They always wed them to foreign women (mostly abducted Japanese women). Never ethnic Korean women.
>>1011517 If you count the descendants of Zainichi (Japan resident) Koreans who immigrated and brought their Japanese wives with them in the 70s, then there are a lot more racemixed Koreans. Also Dresnoks sons from his second Romanian wife are married to Korean women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsvdu5my8ZY Someone knows the name of this march?
>>1011372 If I defected to NK I would probably be volcel because I am not there for coomer reasons.
>>1016227 ใ€Š์Šน๋ฆฌ์˜ ์—ด๋ณ‘์‹ใ€‹ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k98WNOMdHI8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAmrzITMDZM >What's Up Pyongyang 4, Un A from Pyongyang #DPRK, #north Korea
Is it capitalist? Kim's Doi Moi type reforms have me thinking that it might be
>>1011299 prove that it is
>>1011247 >Now lets look at Kim, he is a Chairman of the Party, he is in a Presidium of Politburo, AND he is a Chairman of State Affairs Comission, AND he is a commander-in-chief of Army. Yes anon, that is in fact how Presidents and Prime Ministers in most places work. >There were first bells already with Kim's half-brother Nam admitting that he was sacked by his father because he wanted reforms and to introduce more markets, and his uncle getting purged because he wanted to go Deng road Based But yes, representative democracy is retarded and that is a legitimate critique to make about the government. That does not make it a monarchy though.
>>1026997 tl;dr?
>>1011517 >>1011525 >The government were the ones who decided his wife, he literally had no option to choose who to marry Proof you fag?
>>1027017 tl;dr: The concept of the supposed "songbun caste system" comes from a 2012 paper released by an American think tank which repeatedly contradicts itself, fabricates sources, and is full of baseless conjecture.
>>1027044 His first wife was a kidnapped Romanian actress who was never ever seen after she was taken to the DPRK. Not even in an interview. Another separate example is Hitomi Soga. Abducted Japanese wife of another American deserter. She was repatriated back to Japan by the DPRK, which in turn also admitted to and apologized for kidnapping Japanese citizens throughout the cold war. Another brilliant example is Anocha Panjoy. An abducted Thai woman who was married by the DPRK to a US defector. After he passed away, she was wedded to another foreigner, this time an East German businessman working for the DPRK. I think you can put two and two here to see that this crop of abducted foreign women are in the DPRK to fulfill the purpose of being wives to defected foreign men. Now stop being a cringe tankoid you retarded transhumanist.
>>1027093 >muh kidnappings Your first example literally has no proof to it, for the second only 17 Japanese (eight men and nine women) were ever abducted to teach Japanese in the schools, and Anocha Panjoy met both those individuals, they weren't arranged to marry her. One of the biggest shots through this bullshit is that the DPRK actively prevented Russian wives married to Korean men from leaving to the USSR when relations stated becoming tense, and requested them to renounce their citizenship and stay. If they really didn't like mixed marriages to the extent you are saying, they would have just let them go and be done with them.
>>1027153 >NO PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOVES no arguing with tankucks
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>>1027157 >Stop asking for proof you tankie, my argument relies on you just accepting whatever I say Go back to /pol/ already
>>1027166 based lain poster
>>1027166 As opposed to your argument which ignores real proven cases of abduction and tries to stand on a hot take of a hot take. Tankies are retarded mongrels.
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>>1027175 I acknowledged an abduction did occur (with 17 Japanese), but then you went the extra mile and tried to then use it as an argument for the DPRK abducting people to arrange marry them to defectors with no actual proof for such. The burden of proof was on you, and you didn't provide any.
Did somebody say abduction?
>>1027180 >well, see, the DPRK MAY kidnap foreigners, but almost every single defector and foreigner in the DPRK marrying these abducted women was entirely their choice and will. Joe Dresnok picked a Romanian woman and then a Blasian instead of choosing one of the 15 million ethnic Korean women in the country I have no smoking gun proof, it's an obvious conjecture that only a retarded tankie monkey would deny.
>>1027200 >no proof >"just trust me bro it's obvious" kys
>>1027200 >but almost every single defector and foreigner in the DPRK marrying these abducted women was entirely their choice and will. But they didn't. You mentioned three people, one of which no one has ever seen or interviewed. >Joe Dresnok picked a Romanian woman and then a Blasian instead of choosing one of the 15 million ethnic Korean women in the country Likely because they a) Lived near each other, b) Had a similar identifiable experience of being effectively fish out of water with no deep familial ties to the country and having to adjust to a culture that was entirely foreign to them with no preexisting friends or family, and c) Both likely spoke English. And if there is a half black Korean, that literally implies that she had a black parent and a Korean parent you idiot. >I have no smoking gun proof, it's an obvious conjecture that only a retarded tankie monkey would deny. It requires assumption on top of assumption on top of assumption on top of assumed intent. This is a situation where Occam's Razor is applicable. Again, you have no proof.
>>1026982 >not wanting a socialist monarchy okay, liberal.
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What's your take on what happened and what's your opinion on Jang Song-Thaek?
>>1028622 I made that post. It's entirely built on assumptions supported by what is publicized about the happening. I want to see if anyone has a more informed take. Sometimes I wonder if Thaek being in command would've been better or not for the DPRK.
>>1028599 IMO he was the real communist trying to resist Kim's plan to sellout to Bill Gates.
>>1029521 >muh corona Still no confirmed cases reported from DPRK. Also Jang Song Thaek was widely known as a reformist who wanted to shift towards a market economy.
Anyone here friends on facebook with some of the DPR Koreans who work in China? While I do enjoy their posts, I feel bad for them: They get pretty strong ptsd reactions when they see western degeneracy (or "capitalist pervert evil" as they somefimes call it). It can't be good for their mental health.
>>1029521 Bill Gates? Are you a Qultist?
>>1030046 post screenshot(s), i'm curious
>>1030046 >capitalist pervert evil holy shit this is gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKl-hStboqM >What lessons are still being learned from the conflict on the Korean Peninsula? The worst korean professor in this panel looks like a deer caught in headlights at the beginning You can visibly see him relax a little as he realizes and points out that there has been 70 years of effective peace since then
>>1029986 >Jang Song Thaek was widely known as a reformist who wanted to shift towards a market economy How do you know this?
>>1031589 They're still at the stage of building people's mansions in the countryside to abolish the distinction between country and city Nice small class rooms in those mansions so class sizes stay small and the student to teacher ratio stays good
>>1031589 >wage labor They chose to abolish taxes for propaganda reasons. Therefore they need to extract surplus value to support the huge military, education and medical sectors of their economy. >markets They are necessary because of the sanctions, since many goods can only be smuggled from abroad. The grey markets for foreign goods create a secondary money economy that reproduces itself at all levels. >commodity production Commodities are the result of standardised, socialised production. Commodities are prominent in the capitalist mode of production because the capitalist mode of production was the first one to socialise production to a large scale, and do away with the individualised production of subsistence farmers and artisans. A successful socialist society will only further commodification. If you means commodity production for exchange, then see above.
>>1031589 Because they aren't retarded idealists willing to die over ideals.
>>1030742 Basically all sources about him, from both DPRK and the west say that.
>>1031914 Name one source
Ri Sol-Ju has been off-cameras for a really long while now. She wasn't even in the last parade. Could it be pregnancy?
>>1034508 anything I see in western media is more or less going to be KCIA propaganda, so I'm not concerned. she could be taking care of her children
Why does KJU constantly shuffle his military cabinet? Every year or so there's sweeping dismissals & promotions. His Civilian/Foreign affairs cabinet is slightly more stable but also sees a lot more shuffling than it ever did under KJI.
>>1034508 They killed her with his husband. KJU is actually a body double.
Are there any good documentaries or movies on the Korean War that are pro north/communist but in English?
>>1034694 The military was insanely powerful under Kim Jong-il. I assume he wants to keep it a bit more vacant to strengthen the civilian arm of the government a bit more.
>>1037076 I think it's cool that we're now getting good quality pro-communist military documentaries on YouTube. And people say Xi Jinping doesn't deliver
Listening to a bit of this new DPRK anniversary concert. I skipped ahead and discovered (starting at 01:05:40) a new refrain of "On Our March" which was always one of my favorite North Korean tunes. https://youtu.be/WgsO6A1yBrI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRj9jx6z6Ts >Cold comfort: the North Korean noodle dish that was on the menu at peace talks with the South
>>1040580 Vid for those who don't like youtube
>>1040538 Does he know how lucky he is?
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>>1040585 I'd seen these quite a lot during the ROK-DPRK summits in 2018. They were served in most banquets.
>>1037076 It was good but it underplayed Soviet support by a lot which was disappointing. Without their airmen, munitions and equipment the chinese intervention would not have been as successful as it was, even if Stalin could and maybe should have given a lot more.
>>1040538 What a chad
>>1041626 Stalin died before the war was over and was intentioned to keep fighting until the expulsion of the white dogs from the peninsula. It was the coupist that cut soviet help. The Red Army could have not being completely involved in Korea because of other possible openings: Europe and Iran (Mossadegh was couped in 1953 too)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEToVQj_CeI >American REACTS to North Korean Media | The Comrade Report
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oh no no no no
>>1048601 >golden triangle kek the hecking name
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>>1048593 I'm gonna need some explainations
>>1050505 Fuck off, Vaushoid.
>>1048593 The fuck is this?
Can somebody explain to me, why they the korean army has legendary weapon skins? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFDooFdBNJA
>>1053083 Under Juche, everyone gets a โ˜…StatTrakโ„ข Karambit
>>1053083 BASED
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>>1053083 Those chrome-plated guns are awarded to well-performing soldiers
>>1050456 >>1051635 https://koryogroup.com/travel-guide/golden-triangle-bank-rason-north-korea-travel-guide >Rason is a Special Economic Zone (SEZ), so a different economic system is used here. This includes higher wages, more marketisation of the economy, and also more complex banking and financial structures, including personal bank accounts (which donโ€™t really exist in the rest of North Korea). Golden Triangle Bank is the largest and most prominent financial institution in Rason, and a place highly recommended to all tourists in this area. https://www.youngpioneertours.com/emperor-hotel-casino/ >Formally known as the Emperor Hotel & Casino and owned by the Emperor Group in Hong Kong, but acquired by a new unknown owner in 2012, the Imperial Hotel & Casino is located in Rason โ€“ the Special Economic Zone of North Korea and was one of the first foreign businesses to make an impact in the country. The subject of what is the best hotel in North Korea does, as with any topic, elicit various opinions. However, in our opinion the highest quality hotel in the DPRK is also the hotel that was previously fully foreign-owned โ€“ and most people have never even heard of it. The Imperial Hotel & Casino first opened its doors to Chinese & Russian gamblers in 2000. It is by far the standout highlight of Rason city. The city is the only place in North Korea that is visa-free, and technically has a mixed economy that welcomes foreign investment.
So the image of the DPRK has normalized a tiny bit, no? Most normie liberals still thinks it's completely totalitarian where Kim Jong-un determines your hairstyle, but I barely heard the "everybody is starving" meme anymore and I also saw many normie libs accepting that most of the stuff we hear about the country are fake news, especially after the "Kim Jong-un is dead" story.
>>1054740 KJU's death fake news recently helped kill off alot of the credibility on foreign DPRK journalism. But the people that think the DPRK shoots coofers and starves its people are still very much about, especially in the west. Some news websites have also started being more cautious around circulating DPRK stories about purges and such. The Guardian even published an article about the inconstancies and inaccuracies of DPRK defectors' testimonies and stories.
You guys should watch the documentary Have Fun in Pyongyang, it has pretty pastel buildings and people swimming in water parks. You don't know how comfy and colorful DPRK can be until you see unfiltered footage of it.
>>1060237 >You don't know how comfy and colorful DPRK can be Pyongyang, not DPRK. Majority of DPRK is still a developing country, no better than the poorest African countries. Pyongyang is like a second-world bubble in a third-world country like Moscow is a first-world bubble in a second-world country.
>>1060418 >no better than the poorest African countries pretty sure most of africa doesn't get the same benefits north koreans do as a whole
>>1055133 can you link it? >>1055133
>>1060705 I'm not your interlocutor but https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apart I haven't seen a more recent one from The Guardian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyzwGzfz9LU >Home of Happiness in Taechong ri
>>1060418 Having spoke to someone who lived in dprk I assure is not poor african area level People have running water and healthcare so imagine it a level lower than mainstream eastern block country side Hmm like albania
>>1060418 I don't think that's a good comparison. Yes, Pyongyang is better off than the rest of the country but in Africa you have absurd inequality. You have the bourgs living in luxury penthouses in Nairobi and slums where there is literal starvation in the same country. There is also a huge kleptocracy and most of the value produced in Africa goes either to foreign imperialists, the comprador bourgeoisie or kleptocrats. The DPRK with a rationally planned economy and the absence of a bourgeoisie probably a lot more comprehensive development where the fruits of the workers are probably shared more evenly. Look at any DPRK city that's not Pyongyang, like Wonsan or Kaesong, and there you probably see the living standard of the "real" North Korea, it won't fluctuate much around that. Yes, by pure GDP per capita the DPRK is poorer than many African countries but the little they have is put to benefit society as a whole. This is why the DPRK is still a good example to see what socialism can do with a poor country, now imagine what it would do to a rich country.
What are some statistics and facts about North Korea's agriculture, civilian goods industry and construction sphere?
>>1061875 >Having spoke to someone who lived in dprk <My uncle works at Nintendo >I assure is not poor african area level https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh4CtTGAzKw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUxIRSdc5y8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdYyL8Tsbkg >People have running water https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXwVX6I9D04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2XnWuomU8E >>1061886 >Look at any DPRK city that's not Pyongyang, like Wonsan or Kaesong, and there you probably see the living standard of the "real" North Korea, it won't fluctuate much around that. <St. Petersburg represents the real standard of living of Russia! For those that don't know, Wonsan and Kaesong are the only two other cities that are open to tourism (with minders) and are basically the St. Petersburgs of North Korea and Pyongyang the Moscow of North Korea. >The DPRK with a rationally planned economy They have majority state employment, but it's estimated a quarter of the population work in local markets, subsistence farming & fishing ever since the mass layoffs of the 90s which disproportionately affected those living in the countryside.
>>1061886 >like Wonsan or Kaesong Kaesong is a border city and a special industrial zone. It's given way more attention for optics with South Korea. >Wonsan A resort city for the Kim's and a tourism destination. These two are bad examples. There is a wealth/distributional disparity in the DPRK. The north-eastern provinces are very poor and poorly-developed, which correlates with those areas being the origin for the majority of defectors.
Reminder the DPRK used to cuck out tens of thousands of workers in Kaesong factories to work for South Korean corporations.
>>1062740 Access to clean water and sanitation there is better than most African countries and some Asian countries. Why don't you look at the actual data instead of old cherrypicked videos released by Japanese media?
>>1066263 >tankie links a WHO graph made by people who were given guided tours in the DPRK over actual videos on the ground Tankoids are delusional morons
>>1066319 WHO and UNICEF works on the ground in DPRK. The only people given tours are tourists.
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>>1066319 you can stop posting kcia nonsense anytime, retard.
>>1066319 From the literal CIA book: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/kn.html improved: urban: 97.2% of population rural: 90.2% of population total: 94.5% of population unimproved: urban: 2.8% of population rural: 9.8% of population total: 5.5% of population (2017 est.)
>>1061886 Another big difference (which owes to its political system) is that the DPRK has an industrialized economy. The priorities are not necessarily what I'd prefer since a lot of it is geared toward military production, but that's the hand they've been dealt. But it's also for this reason that the DPRK can produce a lot of things themselves that African countries cannot... and that's by design. https://youtu.be/pw5nqNbEXy8
>>1066481 Hooray for health drinks! https://youtu.be/N3oCFOFDa-c
>>1066484 >health drinks stupid gweilo clearly, they are making a variety of drinks, including milk. "health" drinks is a horrible translation
>>1062740 >>1065166 Go back to Vaush's Discord.
>>1066538 go back to r/latestagecaptialism, tankuck.
>>1066319 >actual videos on the ground lmao you sure are an idiot
why the fuck is graceposter still allowed to post on this website?
>>1084311 Grace is a permitted reactionary resident of /leftypol/ due to their history, as with Baboon poster.
>>1084311 They are maybe the only visitor from the right that acts like a person and not a monkey. Why shouldn"t they be allowed? sage for OT
>>1005759 >"Over New Year's 2016, twenty-one-yea-old University of Virginia student Otto Warmbier traveled to North Korea for a five-day trip with a company called Young Pioneers, named after the red-scarved socialist youth organization that all North Korean children must join. The company is known for its hard-partying tours targeting college age students. Its motto: 'providing budget travel to destinations your mother would rather you stayed away from.' According to the accounts of group members, on their last night in Pyongyang, Warmbier got wasted with other tourists in the lobby bar of the Yanggakdo Hotel. Then, in the middle of the night, as the result of either a dare or drunken hubris, he snuck off into a staff-only room of the hotel and attempted to steal a propaganda banner. When he realized it was attached to a wooden partition, making it impossible to fold up and stuff in a suitcase, he simply left the banner, partition and all, on the ground and then went back to his room. >"'The next morning,' says Simon, 'the staff shows up for work.' 'What's this banner doing on the ground?' It's written in Korean, which of course Warmbier can't read. So he doesn't realize that it actually has Kim Jong Il's name written on it. Of course no Korean would leave it on the floor like that! They had to go back and watch the previous night's video surveillance footage to see what had happened. By that time, it was too late - there were too many people involved. They had to report it.'" This is from Travis Jeppesen's "See You Again in Pyongyang" (2018) Jeppesen claims to be the first American student to be allowed to study in the DPRK, and wrote a book about his experiences there. In that scene, he's interviewing Simon Cockerell, who is the head of Koryo Tours. Koryo Tours is a competitor of Young Pioneers in setting up travel programs to the DPRK. Make of it what you will.
>>996288 >>996566 >A.I. Rising (2018) is a movie directed by Lazar Bodroza with Sebastian Cavazza, Stoya >In a socialist world in 2148 the Ederlezi Corporation undertakes a space mission to the Alpha Centauri star system >He finds her to be too artificial and submissive, unlike the human women he has experienced. Milutin gets bored and creates a scenario where she acts as a young first time lover, in which he rapes her sound hot actually, I like stoya ass.
>>1011247 >There were first bells already with Kim's half-brother Nam admitting that he was sacked by his father because he wanted reforms and to introduce more markets, and his uncle getting purged because he wanted to go Deng road. >implying its bad >this kinda government structure Supreme People's Assembly always was reduced to a purely symbolic function huh; not anymore than any legislative body ?
>>1061892 nobody have them, you can only make some educated guesses
>>1066319 >WHO is just useful idiot for nk propaganda we're reaching impressive glowing level
>>1091110 >muh glower cope We're reaching Chernobyl fallout levels of tankie idiocy
>>1092875 So, minimal and barely detectable levels of tankie idiocy?
>>1091110 Actually even the glowies do not say what he says >>1066479 So this is beyond glowing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKXzBuaF9Mw >Autumn in My Hometown---Jin Hui Vlog:#dprk, #northkorea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFkJ5jNtRAQ >LIVE STREAM! Conversation "A Rare look Inside North Korea"
>>1093495 >beyond glowing Always wondered about the people that go above and beyond the glowuighur call of duty. Like claiming North Korea is made out of papier-mรขchรฉ, no publication would claim that afaik it is too retarded even for them.
What's the truth about North Korea's prison camps? Is the three-generations thing true?
>>1096480 They have Soviet style gulags but there is no real evidence for the cartoon villain tier horror stories about them. Those stories often contradict each other. Sometimes they are accused of having a three generation punishment where the children and grandchildren of prisoners are born in the camp, and other times they are accused of executing anyone who becomes pregnant in the prison. The biggest source for these tales is the defector Shin Dong Hyuk who later admitted to making up most of his life story.
>>1101088 Couldn't it be possible that prison guards kill pregnant people by whim, rather than policy, making these one-off instances?
https://www.nknews.org/2020/11/north-korea-reports-5368-suspected-covid-19-cases-surge-amid-military-parade/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter North Korea reports 5,368 โ€˜suspectedโ€™ COVID-19 cases, surge amid military parade I don't know the OG source for this information, the text says WHO but the title says DPRK. >>1101088 Some of the less-prominent, low-profile defectors living in the south have provided anecdotal remarks about imprisonment. They said the conditions in prison were very harsh and could be deadly.
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>>1118013 Lighting is bourgeois and is used to extend business hours in a capitalist society. How about using natural lighting during the day and sleeping during the night like a sane person instead?
>>1118189 Do you take drugs to be this retarded?
>>1118305 t. lightbulbfag
>>1118013 They turn off the lights on purpose to save fuel since the entire world including their ally China sanctions them.
>>1120133 Interestingly if you compare that map to the [email protected] map DPRK is one of the few where there's proportionally more [email protected] activity than light pollution at night
>>1120205 >moving the goalposts this hard
What books on the DPRK would you recommend to read?
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>>1118305 cope, bulbcel
>>1120333 All of them.
>>1120333 Patriots, Traitors, and Empires: the Story of Koreas Struggle for Freedom Socialist Korea: A Case Study in the Strategy of Economic Development North Korean Journey: The Revolution Against Colonialism Again Korea In North Korea: First Eyewitness Report
>>1120409 >North Korea can't do the bare minimum for the people, what a shithole <actually they can >haha they can only do the bare minimum
>>1120409 >norks don't have access to clean water!! <they do >uh uh WOW haha they have the bare minimum lol!! no one is calling the DPRK a plentiful utopia, klutz
>>1120421 bro.... one mind
>>1118305 Most tankies believe the amalgamation of memes they splurt as arguments, can you believe it?
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DPRK now allows cetaceans to join the Korean Peoples Navy
This is the american left, I'm not surprised to see why the working class votes for Trump.
>>1141323 they aren't tho, literally everyone who works for a wage is working class which includes most dems. the really poor people generally don't vote at all, core republican base is suburbanites and rural business owners while dem base is urban people and pee em cees
>>1140229 this is what posadas dreamt of
>>1118457 I see that "t." sometimes? What does that mean? Newfag...
>>1141323 >the working class votes for Trump. They don't though?
>>1141418 Regards,
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>>1141418 :::DDDD
>>1141323 trust me these people nuked the left's image better than anything ever could and the ironic thing about it is that it's backfiring in places like the US where this brain AIDS became popular while in European countries retarded leftists like this are the reason people abandoned voting for communists/socdems/socialists
>Workers' Party Politburo condemns Internal Party Crimes and Anti-Socialist Behavior https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mh83J7uMNw
>>1125174 Those are some ugly ass suburbs
>>1118013 they do be poor af
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQrIY7G5Bf8 >The Story of Our Home (2016) Found a movie
>>1160112 at least it's some form of shelter and not nothing at all, besides have you seen the picture after the storm where it looks like a complete war zone? >>1160134 maybe it's not the North who are too poor, but it is the South who are too rich? this wouldn't have happened if the Korean peninsula wasn't cut in half.
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Why is pyongyang more developed then havana?
>>1160374 One is next door to China the other is next door to Storeshartistahn
>>1160374 The dprk had to rebuild everything after the war Cuba has a lot of historic buildings
>>1160374 Because Pyongyang was destroyed by the US Air Force in the Korean War so they rebuilt everything as a planned futuristic city.
>>1160382 You see that is what I was thinking but shouldn't they be able to use their resources to do better up keep? Roads, the buildings, the insides all look worse in Cuba. >>1160378 Doesn't China trade with Cuba? If they do shouldn't they be able to help them like the dprk.
>>1159692 >anti-socialism is when you don't bow to Bill Gates' dictates. What have you become, oh my sweetest one?
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>>1160430 I think another difficulty for Cuba is that it's a humid, tropical environment to begin with, so that is going to do a number on concrete. And it's one of the oldest cities in the Americas. Some of those buildings date back aways.
>>1160495 At some point shouldn't they just get rid of some of these buildings? Of course keep the important historical land marks but for real.
>>1160471 "Bowing down to Bill Gates" would be to have an internal lockdown. They have only closed the external borders.
>>1160718 They still support the narrative, also in the video it is said that people in the Pyongyang University of medicine weren't following party line. Who knows what that means.
https://www.scmp.com/video/asia/2189528/everyone-votes-there-no-choice-north-korean-elections Is this true? Why whould you go out and vote if there is no choice at all? Seems like an absolute waste of time and ressources.
>>9051 >https://archive.fo/pRkxK Damn I'm checking that thread and I remember making some of the posts in there. Crazy. Is there a reading list on the DPRK or a basic study guide like there is on the catalog for Marxist work in general?
>>1170111 Voting is compulsory in North Korea. The votes decide which WPK candidate represents their region.
>young gymnast defector jumped over a 3 meter wall to defect to the south latest bit of hot news (assuming the details are not faked)
>>1170111 The candidates for each district are selected by consensus before the election in mass meetings
Soviet and American proclamations to the people of Korea following the surrender of Japan
>>1171349 Soviet declaration: Rejoice, Koreans! you are finally free from the yoke of Japanese imperialism, let us work together for a bright future for the Korean people Burger speech: Alright gooks, new boss is in town. Here are the do's and dont's
>>1171537 But their property rights will be respected under American military control, which is the important thing here.
>>1171117 Not just jumped, pole vaulted
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Odd question: is it possible to buy something that was actually made in DPRK? Looking to get a birthday gift for my grandpa.
>>1160519 Aside from renovations, restorations and constructing new buildings the terraces appear to be steam punk-esque.
>>1184752 you can buy pins/badges from KFA associations.
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"Our father is Marshal Kim Jong Un, Our Home is the Party's embrace" "With the Respected Marshal who loves people most and regards his trouble for the people as his joy as our father in the harmonious great family we are assisting each other in the warm cherished house, our socialist homeland"
>>1170111 >Asian Bezosโ€™ personal rag I wouldnโ€™t put much trust in whatโ€™s basically a billionaireโ€™s mouthpiece.
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>>1170790 >Is there a reading list on the DPRK See pdf
>>1186632 I guess when your leaders actually represent you and do not profit from your misery and death you might feel familial feelings towards them.
>>1185976 I like how they look, I'll probably get one of those. Any idea if they're made in DPRK though? Not a deal breaker of course but it would be nice to know.
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According to liberal propaganda nobody is allowed to leave the country Meanwhile in reality hundreds of thousands travel to China and Russia every year https://www.northkoreaintheworld.org/china-dprk/north-korean-travel-china https://www.northkoreaintheworld.org/north-korean-travel-russia
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I found this Sorry if it doesnt count for this thread: GM sent back to drawing board after most South Korea union members reject labour deal https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/gm-sent-back-to-drawing-board-after-most-south-korea-union-members-reject-labour-deal-13675366
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Alright Jucheaboos listen the fuck up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepal_Workers_Peasants_Party there's apparently a Juche party in Nepal. What the fuck bros
Can somebody help me find the original speech that gave rise to that 'Ten Principles for the Establishment of a Monolithic Ideological System' bullshit? I remember it was nothing like what's claimed in Wikipedia and so on, but I cannot find it.
>>1195037 That is a speech about the political program of the DPRK which he gave to the SPA in December 1967. It is included in Volume 21 of the Collected Works of Kim Il Sung, The "Ten Principles for the Monolithic Ideology System" are a complete forgery, the anti-DPRK equivalent of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". Not a single primary source is given besides a speech that doesn't even have these "Ten Principles". Also these "Ten Principles" are supposedly such an important and central document that "every north Korean has to memorize" and "is more important than the Constitution", yet it is never mentioned or referred to anywhere in any of their texts or their media.
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>>1195088 Thank you
>>1194114 Yeah, IIRC they're the local government in one of Nepal's major cities. There are a handful of Juche parties in the world. A bunch of small Juche parties have popped up in West Africa recently, ie Nigeria, Mali, Burkina Faso and perhaps other areas. Can't say what their membership is like, I know that Sankaraists in Burkina Faso really love the DPRK though. For the most part it seems strongest in the French neo-colonies but the movement in Nigeria seems to be growing too. This is really a part of the broader trend, this explosion of new communist parties and communist sympathy throughout Africa right now - In a handful of days we may even see a Marxist-Leninist party in power in Zambia, as they're currently looking like they'll win the election. There are also some small Juche groups in Latin America although they're more intellectual/study groups than parties.
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>>1194114 <Nepali Times: People say Bhaktapur is Nepalโ€™s best governed municipality. What is it that you do differently here? >Narayan Man Bijukchhe: We consult with people, we donโ€™t impose on them, we are transparent and they participate in decision-making. We never forget that we are serving the people, that is the difference with other parties. <And how does North Koreaโ€™s Juche Idea fit into this? After the 1990 Peopleโ€™s Movement, soon after we were released from jail, the first embassy to call on me was from the DPRK. We learnt about Korean history, the terrible war and the aspirations for reunification. There is sympathy towards North Korea from across the political spectrum in Nepal. In 1995, there was a massive flood in North Korea and we donated what we could as a token of solidarity. Just as the Korean people are dominated by America and Japan, Nepal is dominated by India. The Indian ruling class is doing to Nepal exactly what British India did to them. Under Narendra Modi, the Indian economy is turning into monopoly capitalism, and he is interfering in the internal affairs of neighbouring countries like Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh to capture their resources. There was a bill in parliament that would give unlimited resources to Indian and other companies for more than 50 years, we strongly opposed it, but the ruling party passed it. <Would you call yourself a communist? >Anyone who serves the workers and peasants is a communist. But Nepalโ€™s communist parties are not true communists. Even the Maoist party is an Indian construct. And the UML is not a communist party, either, because instead of socialising the means of production it has privatised it. There is no difference between the UML and the NC. <You are elected, but how do you reconcile yourself to Koreaโ€™s totalitarian Kim dynasty? >We had BP Koirala, his brother Matrika Prasad Koirala, then Girija Prasad Koirala and then Sushil Koirala. In India, too, Jawaharlal Nehru was followed by his daughter, Indira Gandhi, then her son Rajiv Gandhi. Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Philippines and even the United States have political dynasties. South Korea has Park Jeong-hee and his daughter. Comrade Kim Il-sung made a great contribution to Korean history, so it was their necessity to bring his son and family members to power. Itโ€™s like the children of carpenters are good wood carvers, and children of farmers are good farmers. <What is your link with North Koreaโ€™s Communist Party? >It is not regular that we meet with them. But frequently their literature comes to us by post. When North Korean Embassy in Kathmandu call us for receptions, they donโ€™t just invite us but also other communist parties and leaders. It might be because North Korea is also a small Asian country like Nepal. That is why there is sympathy towards North Korea from all political parties in Nepal. The NWPP is actually the last among parties to be in touch with the North Korean Embassy. We are not the first. There are many Nepali workers in South Korea but unfortunately there is no literature from there translated into Nepali. Literature is a medium to know the way of life and aspirations of people, and since we donโ€™t get to read about South Korea we donโ€™t know much about it. <Do you plan to launch yourself beyond Bhaktapur onto the national stage? >Actually we are not only confined to Bhaktapur but have our presence in other parts of Nepal. The major parties are funded by the Indians, and they will use any means to stop the NWPP from being on the national stage. They are afraid of our ideology and our ideological strength. <Are you in favour of early local election in Nepal? >There wonโ€™t be local elections in Nepal until India wants it, and it wants to weaken Nepal through federalism. It wants local elections only after federal boundaries are demarcated. It doesnโ€™t want local people to be empowered through local elections, because that would decentralise state power and make it difficult for them to capture our natural resources. If we have autonomous decentralised elected local bodies, we donโ€™t need federalism. http://archive.nepalitimes.com/article/nation/City-of-devotees-devotes-itself-to-development,3009 https://archive.is/X4x1u
>>1195107 Thats it. I'm moving
>>1195088 >>1195097 (me) Actually, it seems like a talk on ways to establish a monolithic ideological system was actually given by Kim Jong Il in early 1974. Rodong Sinmun announced the publication of volume 23 of KJI's complete works, and says: >Some of those works clarify the essence of the concept of modeling the whole society on Kimilsungism and the tasks and ways for setting up the monolithic ideological system of the WPK. https://rodong.rep.kp/en/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2018-09-25-0021 I wonder if there's a way to get the original Korean textโ€ฆ
>>1195133 Based anti-Modi guy
>>1195228 I'm starting to believe the 10 principles do exist. In dprk-tech.info there's a dump of PDFs that were hidden encrypted in a Red Star OS installation disk. It includes many topics like physics, geography, and so on, but the PDF on revolutionary history that starts in 1974 mentions the 10 principles in page 19: https://www.dprktech.info/dprk-34c3/DPRK-34C3-PDFs/Education/Secondary/6/revolutionary_history2.pdf What confuses me is, why hide it so much? The speech where KJI supposedly codified these principles is in volume 4 of his collected works, which is the only one not translated to English and I cannot find in Korean either on the Internet. I found two reviews of his collected works in korean, and the authors mention that they could not get volume 4. There's a South Korean website with the full text of KJI collected works, and the table of contents for volume 4 is censored and there's a note 'if you really need the full text, call this number'. Why does this happen, it's weird.
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>>9051 If the Juche necromancer present here, I hereby beg for you to protect our Great Comrade Paul Cockshott from the hands of the international bourgeoisie to serve & save us the proles. Hear my words, don't let them do anything harm to Cockshott. The vanguard must defend him at all cost!
>>1195589 What happened to Cockshott?
>>1195589 >>1195620 He's fine. They won't harm him. He's to useful to be harm. But I do agree if DPRK kidnap him it'll be incredible.
>>1195088 The 10 principles definitely exist. There's a PDF dump I linked above of a DPRK tablet that was taken by this person: https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-9279-dprk_consumer_technology He seems like a good guy. He's not a communist but he's friendly to Cuba, China and the DPRK. PDF related 1 is a children's book that talks about the ๋‹น์˜ ์œ ์ผ์‚ฌ์ƒ์ฒด๊ณ„ ํ™•๋ฆฝ์˜ 10๋Œ€์›์น™, in English the Ten Principles for the Establishment of the Party's Monolithic Ideological System, and also how Kim Il Sung recuperated/reviewed these 10 principles in 1995, a thing that I have not seen any Western source mention. PDF related 2 includes at the end questions for the several year's worth of admission exams into schools. The history section always asks for the month and year Kim Il Sung prepared the 10 principles. At least one of the principles is: > ์œ„๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ น๋„์ž ๊น€์ •์ผ์›์ˆ˜๋‹˜๊ป˜์„œ๋Š” ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ์˜€๋‹ค. > >ใ€Š์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์œ„๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋์—†๋Š” ์ถฉ์‹ค์„ฑ์„ ๊น€์ผ์„ฑ์ฃผ์˜์ž์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ํ’ˆ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทœ์ •ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ถฉ์‹ค์„ฑ์˜ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ฒ™๋„ ๋กœ์„œ ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜์„ ์ถฉ์„ฑ์œผ๋กœ ๋†’์ด ์šฐ๋Ÿฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ชจ์‹œ๋ฉฐ ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜์˜ ๊ถŒ์œ„๋ฅผ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ํ™” ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜์˜ ์‚ฌ์ƒ์„ ์‹ ๋…์œผ๋กœ ์‚ผ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜์˜ ๊ต์‹œ๋ฅผ ์‹ ์กฐํ™”ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜์˜ ๊ต์‹œ์ง‘ํ–‰์—์„œ ๋ฌด์กฐ๊ฑด์„ฑ์˜ ์›์น™์„ ์ง€ํ‚ฌ๋ฐ ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ธฐ ํ•˜์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.ใ€‹ ๊ฒฝ์• ํ•˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ถฉ์‹ค์„ฑ์˜ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์š”๊ตฌ, ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ฒ™๋„๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜ ์„ ๋†’์ด ์šฐ๋Ÿฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ชจ์‹œ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜์˜ ๊ถŒ์œ„๋ฅผ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์ด๋‹ค. ์ด์™€ ํ•จ ๊ป˜ ๊ฒฝ์• ํ•˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜์˜ ํ˜๋ช…์‚ฌ์ƒ์„ ์‹ ๋…์œผ๋กœ ์‚ผ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜์˜ ๊ต์‹œ๋ฅผ ์‹ ์กฐํ™”ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์ˆ˜๋ น๋‹˜์˜ ๊ต์‹œ์ง‘ํ–‰์—์„œ ๋ฌด์กฐ๊ฑด์„ฑ์˜ ์›์น™์„ ์ฒ ์ €ํžˆ ์ง€ํ‚ค ๋Š”๊ฒƒ์ด๋‹ค. A machine translation: > The great leader Kim Jong-il said: > > "We define endless fidelity to the great leader as the most basic character of the Kim Il-Sungist.We respect the leader with loyalty as a basic measure of loyalty to the leader, make the leader's authority absolute, make the leader's thoughts a conviction, We raised the question of keeping the principle of unconditionality in the execution of the instruction of the leader by making the teaching of the leader a creed." The basic requirement and basic measure of fidelity to the dear leader is to respect the leader highly and to absoluteize the leader's authority. At the same time, the principle of unconditionality is strictly adhered to in the execution of the leader's instruction, taking the revolutionary idea of the leader who respects him as a belief. This lines up with one of the principles in Wikipedia: <Accept the Great Leader Comrade KIM Il Sung's revolutionary thought as your belief and take the Great Leader's instructions as your creed. Accepting the Great Leader Comrade KIM Il Sung's thought as one's own belief and taking his instructions as one's creed is the most crucial element requested for one to become an endlessly loyal Juche communist warrior. It is also a precondition for the victory of our revolutionary struggle and its construction. While I was unable to find the full text of the 1974 speech, this is too much of a coincidence and I conclude the 10 principles are real. How relevant they are in modern Korean society is still to be decided.
>>1196740 Well the principles definitely are not as important or relevant today to the extent claimed by anti-DPRK sources. Otherwise they would refer to and mention these principles a lot more. Their media occasionally talks about relatively minor texts written by the Kims but not at all about these specific "ten principles". These principles aren't in their constitution or the WPK party charter either.
>>1197871 It seems to me that these principles are used in times of instability to keep the country from falling apart. They were given in 1974, the year the DPRK defaulted on their debts because of the oil crisis, and recuperated in 1995, the year of the arduous march, and there are reports of a second rebirth of the principles in 2011, when Kim Jong Il died. I speculate that the stories about party cadres being told to memorise these principles are true, but only on these times of instability.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H1y0Hx_9AEg >ะ’ะฟะตั‡ะฐั‚ะปะตะฝะธะต ะฒะพะทะฒั€ะฐั‰ะตะฝะธั:#dprk, #northkorea
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Please help this poor oppressed defector, Mrs. Yeonmi Charlesworth, the wife of the CEO of a proprietary trading firm who is struggling against the evil Kim regime.
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>>1200948 Nooooooo๐Ÿคฃ Onlyfans for korean defectors its too much
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Today I will remind them about the glory of Kim il-Sung's regional enhancements of Marxist-Leninist thought
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>>979218 Best army in the world.
>>1200948 Basically a prostitute
If you're wondering why some of the YouTube links in this thread don't work thr Echo of Truth channel has been terminated
>>1227399 MotherFUCKERS
>>1227399 "Freedom of Speech"
>>1227399 I downloaded most of their videos besides the narration of Kim Il Sung memoirs.
>>1227803 Do you have the one where she explains how solidarity works?
>>1227399 Looks like they were prepared for this. They uploaded everything to an already existing backup channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl1XBxk5SOndhlricjhowBQ/
>>1227825 As usual the comments sections are filled with screeching about how it is all fake and everyone is an actor at gunpoint. There are also claims that they are supposedly selectively showing only Pyongyang, ignoring the videos from other towns and farming villages.
So what's the neolib bodycount on Youtube? >Stimmekoreas >Uriminzokkiri >Echo of Truth Anything else got taken down for challenging the narrative?
>>1228752 Phoung DPRK got taken down once but came back
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What the actual fuck happened? where are all the posts?
>>1232419 One of the mods decided to delete all the posts before defecting to cia.gov so the site was restored to a month old backup.
>>9051 What exactly is in the future of NK? Do they trade with other countries or completely sanctioned? Has anybody ever been to there
>>1232757 Also forgot to ask What stage of socialism/communism do you consider to be on The way the country functions economically is it closer to China or the USSR??
>>1232761 As someone with very little understanding of economics, it seems at least to me that they are closer to the USSR than Dengist China. State assigned jobs (at least on paper, how well this actually translates on the ground is a grey area), state provided housing/utilities, active suppression of counter-revolutionary activity, and most importantly central planning via 5 year plans. The central planning thing isn't absolute, as there are nork versions of special economic zones where some facets of private ownership survive. However the state still holds significantly stronger control over the economy than China does.
>>1233099 I thought so too. I wonder what the next big economic step they will take
North Korea reportedly held/will hold a military parade these few days. Also Kim Yo-Jong is no longer on the Politburo roster. Looks like she got demoted. Moon Jae-In still looking for talks avenues with the north, but only as a "last-ditch effort".
>>1234177 Also the 8th WPK congress was held last week https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_Congress_of_the_Workers%27_Party_of_Korea Part of Kim's move to re-scheduling this congress routinely after it was off for several decades until 2016.
>>1234177 >Also Kim Yo-Jong is no longer on the Politburo roster. Looks like she got demoted. Maybe the good guys are in charge again.
>>1233099 >State assigned jobs (at least on paper, how well this actually translates on the ground is a grey area) On the ground it's pretty close to a mixed economy, of state employees and merchants/self-employed. It's not a true mixed economy yet since they technically aren't allowed to hire employees, though in practice family members already function as employees. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrVNJnhr4vA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0NEGN0shUU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYw92syHxw0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdYyL8Tsbkg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9A4EUDhDHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaR4st7E6m4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vLk5Eey2Gs
whats so appealing about the dprk ? the only thing i want for them is no more sanctions but other than that why would you care about them
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>>1237435 I read a manga about it
>>1237435 To see what they're doing better or worse than us since their economic and political system is quite different from the rest of the world.
>>1237435 Closest thing to a communist MoP in the world right now
>>1291003 That's literally only because they're sanctioned and embargoed to death
Jong-Un was promoted to General Secretary despite Jong-Il holding the title "eternally". Thoughts? this isn't the first time he dislodges some of his father & grandfather's legacy to nurture the cult around himself.
Military Parade is underway in Pyongyang right now, reportedly. Kim Yo-Jong slammed the south for monitoring the north because they had knowledge of parade rehearsals in the 8th WPK congress. Looks like they know everything happening in Pyongyang despite no direct presence in the North. https://www.nknews.org/2021/01/north-korean-parade-likely-kicks-off-in-pyongyang-formation-aircraft-spotted/
>>1291680 Pretty sure he is merely restructuring the State, nothing fancy like a personal cult of personality of which he already has
The DPRK has no future without China
>>1293036 we know chang
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The DPRK Held a military parade last night, in similar fashion to the last one Looks like it was held mid-night. Southies knew about it ahead of its start, much like last one. So far the DPRK only published photos of the parade. A new nuclear capable SLBM was displayed in the parade, the Pukguksong-5.
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>>1293751 New TBM, probably nuclear-capable.
>>1293751 >>1293760 Nukes aren't real.
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>>1293844 And why would they not be real?


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