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filter me 10/29/2019 (Tue) 16:47:19 No. 2260 [Reply]
Oh, so /tech/ stopped existing.
Wallpaper/desktop thread?
>tfw you're not a cop raping delinquent teenagers
Jahy-sama wa Kujikenai!

clojure Comrade 08/06/2019 (Tue) 04:54:14 No. 2638 [Reply]
what does bunkerchan think of clojure?

its a lisp that actually works for web dev and other SW dev in the modern day.

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I actually know a bit of Clojure, and the backstory. I agree with what you mention about the persistent data-structures and concurrency being built-in rather than in libraries is a advantage, all be it a rather minor one to me. I disagree with the idea that Common Lisp having Lists makes it slow, in practice Common Lisp programmers use whatever data-structures are most performant for their applications, including using mutability to increase performance when applicable. Also it's possible that Clojure is simpler than Common Lisp, but it's not simpler than Scheme. You can (and I have) literally read the Scheme specification in a few hours, and understand the guarantees and primitives of the whole language across implementations. Trading the Common Lisp ecosystem for Java's might be advantageous depending on the application though.
>You can (and I have) literally read the Scheme specification in a few hours

including all the SRFI? If your argument is that you can write a basic lisp interpreter as a side project or for a class then yes scheme is simpler but in addition to the SRFI to make scheme usable you have things like for example in Racket Scheme which have to implement lots of additional stuff to make scheme into a practically usable language (for web dev).

Scheme is like the C of lisps
Common Lisp is like the C++ of lisps
Clojure is like the Java of lisps

If you had to choose for example an embedded language for scripting a video game, scheme or lua might be good.

I probably wouldn't use scheme for doing modern web dev, because there are myriad of toy implementations. When you try to sell jim the JS developer on lisp, hes gonna flip his shit when he can't find the GraphQL library

>in practice Common Lisp programmers use whatever data-structures are most performant for their applications

sure but all good programmers choose whatever data structures are the most performant for their task. Its not just about what a language allows but what it steers average coders into in. rockstars can write good code in any language

>using mutability to increase performance when applicable.

theres a lot of strategies that let you rewrite functional code into mutable efficient code under the hood and most functional languages use these

Common lisp is a more complete overall language (other than concurrency) and Scheme is easier to understand, but as far as tooling, practicality, ease of use, and popularity Clojure definitely wins hands down. Other than emacs lisp Clojure probably has the most lines of code written of any of the lisps today.
>The SRFI to make scheme usable you have things like for example in Racket Scheme which have to implement lots of additional stuff to make scheme into a practically usable language (for web dev).
The SRFI's are just libraries, Racket isn't a Scheme anymore, and really the only extensions you need to RnRS to have a language quite capable of web development is POSIX support, threads, and probably a FFI. Many Scheme implementations have these things. Regarding Libraries you should look at Chicken Scheme: http://eggs.call-cc.org/5/#lang-exts https://github.com/lassik/graphql-chicken Not that this isn't all besides the point because your claim was that Scheme was more complex than Clojure which is simply not true.

>Its not just about what a language allows but what it steers average coders into in. rockstars can write good code in any language
I don't think as a programmer you should care about how a language steers average developers. Ease of doing something does matter, and you're going to have a slight cost by going into quicklisp and installing a library for some of the things Clojure has built in but it's not significant. Regardless the average Common Lisp programmer cares a great deal about performance, and they tend to write very fast applications.

>theres a lot of strategies that let you rewrite functional code into mutable efficient code under the hood and most functional languages use these
I don't think this is true, you can do this if you have Linear/Quantitative types but otherwise you're going to be giving up any concurrency guarantees you have, if you do this behind the back of the programmer (which is sort of the main point of writing in a functional style at this point).

>Common lisp is a more complete overall language (other than concurrency) and Scheme is easier to understand, but as far as tooling, practicality, ease of use, and popularity Clojure definitely wins hands down.
I think this is probably a fair assessment so long as you recognize that Clojure has these advantages only for a single problem domain. It has better tooling, practicality, and ease of use for web development and nothing else. Additionally I don't think the advantages it has in this department are that significant.
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RH'S epic talk on clojure vs common lisp (2 parts)

>Common Lisp btfo
Not really, it was mostly just a overview, and as I said I already knew a good bit of Clojure. Pretty much all his arguments are rendered null by (ql:quickload "fset") or are insignificant to the point of not mattering. Porky likes JVM is another part of his reasoning. Some of the abstractions mentioned are cool, but don't really matter, it's basically just sugar. Not particularly interesting to me. I can't be bothered to watch the second video provided. Anyway I'm getting pretty bored talking about this, I feel I've made a quite solid case, so I'll probably stop now.

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Relational/SQL vs NoSQL Comrade 08/13/2019 (Tue) 03:02:44 No. 2593 [Reply]
what is the advantages of nosql over traditional dbs?

why did programmers from 2006->2015ish all start writing and useing their own databases. whats the point?

people say oh its faster for the programmer because they dont have to write a schema but literally the only thing to change a schema is an alter table statement anyway which takes 30 seconds
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mongoError: Topology was destroyed
there's no need to ACID, transactions, or rollbacks, i said, laughing.


databases like postgres have literal decades of engineering behind them making them rock solid. it even have json store if you want
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Any thoughts on Daniel Abadi and his DB work?
>Daniel Abadi
never heard of him
GAVIN-MENDEL GLEASON is a tech guy and marxist affiliated with Cockshott whos making a graph database

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GNU Guix Comrade 09/28/2019 (Sat) 10:55:08 No. 2607 [Reply]
Is Guix the operating system of the future?
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There are lots of "OS of the future"
Guix is great, though I could never get it to play nice with Doom Emacs, which was a dealbreaker at the time (I'm not using Doom Emacs anymore, but as far as I can tell the only way to maintain config for your software like this is to build it as a Guix package, which I just don't have the time or energy for). I ran it for a couple of months on my hobby laptop, though I got tired of the build-times for some packages when substitutes weren't available (especially non-free Linux kernels, which I would leave running overnight and sometimes come back to the kernel still being built in the morning).

I do think though that declarative operating systems are the future, because the implications are amazing for deployment of many machines, as well as maintaining your own workstation - you make some configuration change to a particular service in your OS declaration, build and switch to that OS you've declared, and if you fucked up you rollback.

What really excites me is that Guix is just the package manager - even though we call the distribution based on on this package manager `Guix System', in reality every system configuration for Guix is its own distribution of GNU/Linux. Some future non-Guix project could `downstream' Guix by way of providing some standard distributions (read: `operating-system' configuration files with useful collections of packages, services, configuration, etc.) users could make use of, adding new channels with non-free software that users could opt-in to if they have e.g. a wifi card with non-free drivers, and providing some helpful configuration tools, e.g. for setting up and maintaining profiles, which don't require you to be pretty well versed in Scheme to have a working, maintainable distribution. Maybe this project could maintain build servers for the more popular software which isn't available in the standard Guix build repositories. We could have all sorts of Linux distributions which are built on the Guix package manager, and switching between these distributions would just be a matter of running `guix system reconfigure'.

I think the possibilities here are incredible, and I'm pretty excited for it - for now though I've got Slackware on my laptop, so I can keep my distance from systemd while having a distribution that gives me most of what I could possibly need from a system out of the box.
Sounds pretty cool, now I need to find an excuse to try it!
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Just finished writing my first package and it compiles!!

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gaming on linux Comrade 09/30/2019 (Mon) 03:07:32 No. 2132 [Reply]
do you guys think gaming on linux is picking up steam in 2019?

- Steam games on linux/SteamOS: more native titles than ever and protondb making wine setup and config a one click thing.
- Windows 7 support ending, windows 10 sucks donkey balls (Cortana, offline account option now removed as well)
- Intel, AMD graphics drivers at near parity, Nvidia catching up
- Google making a game streaming service (Stadia) means they obviously plan to port games to linux, it can't work without it
- Vulkan API is going to replace both legacy OpenGL and Direct3D (easier to port, even more cross platform engines as well)
- Lutris > playonlinux, making installing top titles extremely easy.

What do you think guys, is 2020 the YEAR OF THE LINUX GAMING DESKTOP?
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Nerd. Now I sage.

No. As long there is windows, linux will never be a viable option
In my experience about 50% of games work without issue via Wine or Proton. I still dual boot Windows but using it less and less.
they usually have 0.1+ms extra lag that makes it uncompetitive for serious players, especially in time sensitive genres like FPS
Fight imperialism, reminder to install non-proprietary software.

Comrade 09/02/2019 (Mon) 23:10:12 No. 3336 [Reply]
This thread is about creating software to help workers organize.
As per >>602 and >>>/leftypol/51843
Current idea is to make software to organize unions, whatever that might be.
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this could be a good idea for the IWW.
email to them, explain the idea, maybe they can give you some money to start the project.
You can set the country you want the news from at the bottom. You can put a map under it if that's what you want. For example, here's Switzerland:
They even have RSS so you have less scraping to do:
There's really nothing stopping OP from doing what she wants other than being a useless ideaguy who's too lazy to do any research themselves. They had the perfect resource available to them but they chose to ignore it. I say they can go and fuck themselves.
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>anon posts question/suggestion
>make passive aggressive insults without explaining why
>anon asks why
>"go fuck yourself"
If you actually think this matters and is a good answer, why are you bothered by someone bringing it up again so that other people could see the site?
If you're satisfied with labourstart good for you. This is a discussion board. This thread is for talking about developing tools to help organize labor. I bumped this thread because after the merge I wanted more people to see it. I included a post from /leftypol/ because I thought it might be useful for discussion to keep the topic going. Why are you here?
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>I bumped the thread to advertise my idea but ignored the obvious solution to it because I am too lazy to actually do anything about it
I bumped the thread to bump the thread, but I figured if I added something besides "bump" it would be more likely to get replies. I guess I was right, but not how I expected.

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Linux Sheeit Comrade 10/23/2019 (Wed) 07:59:05 No. 2574 [Reply]
Many questions for you nerds:
1. What would be your recommendation for a person who is relativly new to linux but has some coding experience? I was thinking mint because its just easy to use and i used it back on my old laptop and didn't require as much work to maintain in general but im also worried about le spying.
2. What would be the best video editor I can pirate for linux? I want to keep making videos to spread class consciousness and am currently using Sony Vegas. I heard that davinci resolve was good but was wondering your suggestions.
3. Also, is gaming on linux actually okay now?
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1. It's called GNU/Linux: https://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.en.html Here's the list of recommended distributions: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html
2. Blender is cool, you can also check out NATRON.
3. Gaming is never okay.
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>Blender is cool, you can also check out NATRON.
thanks for the recommend
>Gaming is never okay.
fugg u, I also make games
Well said comrade.

>I also make games
That's some times okay *see >>>/e/400. Anyway you were already told about Blender, which also does 3d modeling. GIMP would be good for making textures/sprites, Krita is supposedly much better, but I have my doubts that it would be nice for making pixel art if that's the route you're interested in. I don't really know anything about sound design other than practical effects are some times used, maybe you could do that. On the engine front here are some quality maintained GPL ones (specific to make my life easier):

?3. Also, is gaming on linux actually okay now?
Really depends on what you want to play. There has been a definite recent uptick in Linux game ports over the last several years, particularly in the indie scene. While an unfortunate number of them are technically Windows games running on .NET and using the Mono framework to interpret it in a Linux environment, this is still some significant progress. Wine has also made strides in running modern Windows games if you're into AAA/DRM-infected trash. If, on the other hand, you have a fondness for older Windows games, the Wine project has been breaking stuff for WORKING old games and then refusing to ever go back and fix them for some time now. Finally, if you have a fondness for old console games, then the Linux emulator scene is very healthy and in fact is the go-to system for trying to reduce input lag for certain emulated hardware.

Apparently some tard deleted the /tech/ thread and moved it here while I was in the middle of replying to it. Consider this copypaste charity and possibly the only post I'll every waste here on /hobby/. See you guise on lainchan.
Cmon man, what's wrong with just using this board?

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Linux, BSD setups Comrade 08/09/2019 (Fri) 21:33:50 No. 2179 [Reply]
Discuss what's your setup and collection of applications on your personal computers, smartphones, embedded devices, Industrial equipment, etc. for opsec that other anons could use.
Gnu radio for police chatter?
raspberry pi gps with security features?
Special ECM equipment you're willing to show?
Post them here.
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>Was wondering what Android/lineage build you guys would recommend, something thats reasonably secure (At this point just worried about companies stealing my metadata) and want to get rid of the adds that keep coming up in my shitty international version of android they've given me.
There is no such thing as a secure cell phone. Replicant is the closest you can get with android, but your device is not supported: https://replicant.us Looking around on XDA for you it seems like all your options are roughly equivalent in terms of security. Just get a official rom I guess.

>Cell phones are tracking and surveillance devices. They all enable the phone system to record where the user goes, and many (perhaps all) can be remotely converted into listening devices.
There is no such thing as a secure smart phone, install lineage OS on it to have a non shit version of linux, and turn it off when it doesn't need to be on, leave it at home when you can
*non shit version of android
Don't commodify your personal information. Everything is on a permanent record. Woke leftists are crypto-anarchists. Cyberpunk is now! Stop blocking Tor users!

OS: When your not into QubesOS, you should consider using a hardened Debian with VirtualBox running Whonix and for more OpSec running Tails from an USB-Stick.
Mail: Thunderbird with Enigmail and TorBirdy; provider: RiseUp, Autistici, posteo, protonmail, tutanota, disroot etc
Password manager: KeePassXC
Encryption: zuluCrypt
PGP: gpa or Kleopatra
Browser addons: uBlock, uMatrix, https everywhere, decentraleyes, Privaqcy Badger, User Agent Switcher, CanvasBlocker, Cookie Auto Delete
Cloud: NextCloud
PDF: Okular
Office: LibreOffice

OS: When you don't have a Google Pixel running GrapheneOS you should get LineageOS or any non-Google privacy enhancing AOSP. See https://www.xda-developers.com/
VPN Mode: channel everything through Tor via Orbot
Browser: Tor Browser, Firefox Klar (when you don't have
App Store: F-Droid (, Aurora, Yalp -> run Google Play Store apps only isolated through Working Profiles via Shelter)
Mail: K9
PGP: OpenKeychain
Adblock: Blokada
Spoofing: NetGuard, Private Location, Wi-Fi Privacy Police, MacChanger, SnoopSnitch
Messengers: Briar, Signal, Wire, Riot.im, TRIfA
Camera: ObscuraCam
Maps: OsmAnd~
Text: Markor, LibreOffice Viewer, muPDF
They literally read your fucking e-mails to maintain their censorious terms of service.

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Protonmail Comrade 08/25/2019 (Sun) 02:18:18 No. 2163 [Reply]
hey what do you guys think of protonmail?

i use gmail right now

>founded at CERN, lol
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opinions on tutanota?
What about disroot?
Yes, it's called self hosting your own email server and using the right encryption
But in general, no internet service that's outside of your hands (on which you relay a lot of sensitive information) is safe
Yeah but even then you are still having an exchange between two parties.
Expecting everyone to commit to Encryption standards is silly in this day and age
Try dismail.de

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Revolutionary tech work Comrade 08/25/2019 (Sun) 14:58:45 No. 2559 [Reply]
I have knowledge for FreeBSD/Linux system administration and programming skills in C, C++ and Lisp. What's the best way to use these for revolutionary work?

I thought of making an application useful for punks, bums and people living an anarchist lifestyle but these people usually either can't afford or choose not to use this kind of technology. I thought of an application that could help anarchists organize but I'm thinking it could also be used against us, because it could help fascist groups identify and find us as much as it could help anarchists find and help each other. This is dangerous because it's as useful for fascist missions as it is for anti-fascist/anarchist ones. Otherwise, hosting something like an IRC platform and creating an application to ease its use could be nice but it's already being done by IRC channels, Facebook/Messenger groups and Discord groups, and it still excludes people who don't have access to this kind of technology. The goal in making a new application would thus be to help people help others, or to make the use of the application by indoctrinated people useful to anarchists without them having to use the application. I can't find any interesting idea fitting one of these descriptions.

Right now the only thing I can see is contributing to open source software that's already being used as backbones for other revolutionary software, like news sites, blogs, applications, etc. to contribute indirectly to these while having as big an impact as possible (contributing to a library used by many platforms helps more platforms than directly contributing to one). That would be low-level stuff like nginx, widely used libraries, an IRC daemon used by IRC networks hosting leftist channels, etc.

About the FSF, contributing to software of theirs that interest me like emacs would only be useful for other programmers, who, by that fact, should already have enough talent to take care of their own and thus should be helping others. This goes for many projects by GNU and the FSF, which are often aimed at corporations and corporate pawns to make them dependent on their software and leech for donations to the foundation. In other words, the software is made to help capitalists who have money to give to the FSF. Also, contributing to GNU projects would force me to voluntarily give the copyright of my contribution to the FSF, thus alienating me of my own work. Maintaining intellectual ownership over my contribution is important to me, because even though I'm using a free license, I want to be recognized for it. The fruit of my labour is mine, made for others, and the way the FSF does things goes against that. Contributing to FreeBSD, on the other hand, would give me this, even though it has the same issue of being aimed at capitalists who have money to give to the FreeBSD Foundation.

What does /tech/ do to help people with their tech skills?
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Have they on purpose tried to make him look like V/Anonymous?
I work with Backend for a lot of different Systems, if the project goes open source i would be happy to help with some backend coding.
>Some other considerations:
>- Could attract right wing terrorists and allow them to organize (not probable, but possible)
>- Bosses could infiltrate syndicates
You could have syndicates be on invitation basis (Where you write the moderator of the board why you want to join) as well as encouraging moderation of each syndicate (as you said something along the lines of reddit? that's your choice i guess)
Having a back-end you also have to take into consideration where you want to host it. I am setting a server up for personal use, if the application requires not too much load i could be swayed to help hosting it.
Good luck if you go forward with this idea Anon
there's now a thread dedicated to this idea, >>638
Write a malicious worm that targets the computer systems of banks and stock trading companies.
Create something to help people commit financial fraud. Fraud is a huge multi-billion dollar industry and many poor people actually depend on stuff like cards to get free food delivery and stuff. I used to do this kind of stuff everyday for over a year to fill my kitchen up with as much food as I could.


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