No.12576
This looks like the artwork for a 5e dnd party (THE SHITTIEST EDITION FULL OF SOY)
No.12579
What is this about¡?
No.12595
>>12576It you can't explain thac0 off the top of your head you're a soyinfant
No.12602
>I want to hear your opinions
Why…? That's what friends are for. Who cares for the opinion of strangers.
No.12688
>>12574It's an adorable little show, one of the bright spots in donghua (along with scissor seven, white cat legend, and link click). For all the improvement in quality the past few years the Chinese are making too many god damn cookie cutter wuxia, it's as bad as the isekai infestation. Won't even mention all the haram 3D.
If you liked it, check fei ren zai, I thinks it's from the same person or team. Same premise but with eastern myths. Even less narrative but it's just 5m shorts so yolo
>>12579Foreigners living in China, they are all demons/monsters/supernaturals out of the westoid canon.
No.12691
this is lovely thanks anon
No.12693
why did they make the werewolf so hot
No.12694
>>12693kek
>He's a Russian werewolf, sent to China to spy on the newly reborn devil. nice
>>12688Thanks anon, I'll probably watch. The other one sounds cool too since I also like East Asian mythology
No.12755
So it's gonna take the Chinese to bring more monster boys to the medium huh
No.21197
the accuracy lmao
No.21198
Don't know anything about Korean webtoons but I lol'd
No.21199
Read killing-stalking
No.21200
>>21198How to Fight
Lookism
God of High School
Manger Kim
Reality Quest
Quest Supremacy
Mercenary Enrollment
The Boxer
All of these series despite their initial premises devolved into korean gang wars shonen fights after a few arcs, picrel are from three separate manhwas mentioned above but you literally can't tell the difference
No.21201
>>21196>Is korean culture really as fucked up as manhwa makes it look?imagine japan's absolutely dogshit working/living conditions but slightly worse
No.21202
>>21196Both yes and no. Korean boomers distinctly remember that it was a shithole when they were growing up, remembering things like the Gwangju massacre and the relative poverty of the 50s to 70s, and some of those boomers are the ones writing the earliest manhwas and tv series. It relates to the younger generation in parallel, since the author is thinking of the 70s while the younger reader is thinking of today.
But putting aside the question of how realistic it is and how much they realize that Korea is shit, the boomer authors are invoking the past to (subconsciously) brag about a sort of Korean people-spirit that got them through hard times like those. It might be true that there's something heroic about the Koreans' capacity to live through hardship, but it doesn't change the fact that boomers are basically fetishizing the "hard times make strong men" kind of mindset. They think that this ability to endure such grave circumstances is beautiful and admirable (yes), which leads them to see grave circumstances themselves as beautiful (Sort of?) And that can eventually lead to refusing any opportunity to make shitty circumstances better. They at least aren't so eager to infer the converse (good times create weak men) thing quite yet, so right now this genre can go either way from progressive or reactionary.
No.21203
>>21202but all the Manhwas mentioned
>>21200 are written by millennial or zoomer authors though
No.21204
>>21203I haven't read much recent manhwa so I can't judge for those, but the basic aesthetic and self-consciousness of Korean life is probably strongly influenced by the boomers. It's pretty much what "serious" is in South Korean media, enduring self-sacrifice and familial togetherness and the like.
I don't know how much Korean media has changed, but I imagine their humour probably has since picrel
No.21206
>>21200>All of these series despite their initial premises devolved into korean gang wars shonen fights after a few arcsThe Boxer didn't. Thought it is still pretty cucked.
No.21207
>>21201>imagine japan's absolutely dogshit working/living conditions but slightly worseExcept with less understanding that conditions are actually bad and with more cuckoldry about bowing to your superiors and dreams of "making it". It's like Japan was bragging about how cucked their wage slaves are are Korea was like "Pffft, hold my bear"
No.21210
>>21208Isn't capitalism just great?
No.21212
>>21209Same as with Japan - occupation by USA and forceful indoctrination into neoliberal mindset under guise of traditionalism with rampant anticommunism. But to a higher degree. Only in like 90s they stopped just literally shooting any protesters right on the streets. And the punishment for wrongthink is still there, you can be jailed for "north korean propaganda" today still, for example.
No.21213
>>21212I know that, I was talking about what happened in the end of the Boxer, which anon described it as being cucked
No.21214
>>21211Terrible analysis
>UHHH SOUTH KOREANS ARE LIKE THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL SHAKING OFF THE AUTHORITARIAN DICTATORSHIP MINDSETNews flash:
The West has the exact same attitude. They're just trained better in hiding it and lying to polls. Most of the people in Western "le liberal democracies" talking about how their families are most important would sell them out in a heartbeat. Hence the high divorce rates, growing number of orphans, single parent homes, etc. This guy is retarded for trying to imply that
>more liberal democracy = more progress= people care more about others :DDD No.21215
>>21213Ah, in the end it was some semi-religious (or maybe even straight religious) idealistic answer to scietal woes. Pull yourself by bootstraps, be a good wagie, trust in god's plan and shit like that.
But at least i would give it points for at least seeing those woes unlike most of the listed titles and not devolving into "korean gang wars shonen fights". It is also somewhat a parody or decontrustion (at least an attempt) on manga about boxing.
No.21229
>>21217the stars are just shining for you?
just seems like superficial sentimentalism
No.21230
>>21229Well that's the result of trying to use the intruments of opression as an answer to actual societal woes.
No.21231
>>21227I see this comic mostly dealing with existential angst not to incalculate revolutionary defeatism, will socialism make the problem of evil disappear, it doesn't claim to. Only to make the world better
No.21232
>>21231It isn't just an existential angst it is a product of modern society and they can't give an actua; answer, they can't give solution only some religious cuckoldry. There is no "problem of evil" there is only a problem of correctly organizing society. And the only thing religion can do is to close the door to the actual answer to this problem.
No.21233
Yeah, look at its suicide rate.
No.21234
>>21232>There is no "problem of evil" there is only a problem of correctly organizing society. lol
grow up kiddo
people in the soviet union murdered each other over petty shit.
crime still existed and I'm not talking about counter revolutionary sabotage I mean simple human stuff like a jealous women killing a cheating husband or vice versa.
evil will always exist socialism just nullifies multiple outlets and places restraints upon the most egregious behavior.
No.21235
My god this thread. North Korea needs to liberate South Korea.
No.21236
>>21232Of course problem of evil exist, especially on a philosophical problem. Removing the profit motive won't magically solve the ethics question.
No.21238
>>21234USSR wasn't full communist and of course crime existed since the money and the ability to accumulate them existed still even if very limited.
You are trying to equate actual problems that have material causes that can be analyzed and dealth with to some "problem of evil" that means shit. It is an anti-intellectual cowardice, nothing more.
>>21236>Of course problem of evil exist, especially on a philosophical problem. Some problems just get outdated and irrelevant, like how many angels can dance on the pin.
No.21239
>>21237Yeah it's pretty insane. And also a pity that the main plot line about this problem quickly got dropped and it's jsut straght out "look how great it is to be pretty and rich and hav epowerful friends". It could've said something meaningful, but instead…
No.21240
>>21238>people cheat on their partners solely because of moneyholy cope lmao
and when early human tribes were fighting each other over women? that was over money too right? i laugh at your denial of basic humanity.
No.21241
>>21240Wealth and urbanization provide far more ample opportunities for cheating. It's not a binary, more like a sliding scale.
No.21242
>>21240Should read Engels probably. Or more modern authors, though Engels still mostly right even from standpoint of modern antropology.
The whole concept of cheating stems from monogamy which is a product of class society and private property. Without private property there is no marriage even. No couples that stay together wallowing in resentment and jealousy just because splitting would mean significant financial harships after divorce.
So yeah those examples have clear root on the way our society is organized. Yo shoudl read more. Specifically "Origins of family, private property and state".
No.21243
>>21240Also, do you think that some tribes (not all of them but those in specific material conditions mind you) stole women just because they wanted to fuck or something? Or because of romantic love (the whole concept is quite recent actually)?
No.21247
>>21246Park Chung-hee did hate traditional korean aesthetics cause he thought korea was a backwards nation that had to be forcefully modernized/westernized thats why for example he replaced traditional countryside houses with asbestos ridden buildings ,but personality wise i dont think he wanted koreans to become like westerners, like he died a Buddhist for example
No.21248
>>21247that makes sense, wasn't he semi-communist in practice when he ruled korea
No.21249
>>21248In the same way Pinochet was
No.21250
I don't really think it's a good idea to use Korean webcomics or dramas as a way to understand Korean society. I've met Japanese international students who hated anime and absolutely judged people for trying to adopt mannerism and superficial understandings of Japan from such media.
No.21251
>>21244>but what if we decide democratically what we will consumeIt's an ideal solution, you won't get drama out of it
No.21252
>>21250It is a good idea. Culture reflect the material reality, superstructure reflects the base. By analyzing the one, you also get the understanding about the other.
No.21253
Oh that’s just Japan that is wants to flip the finger to there ex birch
No.21254
>>21252Not really. People who contribute the most to society don't have time to create such formalized art, they just drnik and talk to each other. Maybe waaaay into adulthood/pension they'll start writing up their life experiences, but before that? It's all kids and middle class people
No.21255
>>21254what if it's their job? anime sweatshops exist some of them people watch are made by non-japanese hands.
No.21256
>>21238Mental health/Personality Disorders a major driving factor of violent crime and fraud. People do it because they're maldeveloped and they enter every social situation and interaction as a predator. Other people just like comitting crime for the thrill (kleptos)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT1qj4pTo0Ihttps://libgen.li/edition.php?id=136548380Psychological evil is a controversial subject, but highly influential psychologists, who dealt with dangerous people and soldiers who commit war crimes, absolutely do believe it's actually a solid enough concept to call certain personality types.
No.21257
>>21255I say they are middle class. My assumptions about their work - just like with programmers - make me think those people are closer mentally to middle class mentality than to workers. It's not a very useful distinction, yeah, and middle class that wants to be porkies eventually doesn't even exist anymore anywhere
No.21258
>>21256So, you have people who were taught by life or whatever to steal and murder, you call that mental health and personality disorders
Like, just gulag them and reeducate through work.
No.21259
>>21254>Not reallyYes really. It's not about some written "life experience". I don't think you understand how art works even.
People cannot help but recreate their surrounding material reality in their works, even if they are educated and intentionally try not to do that simply because that is the only thing they can go on from. If you look at isekai, many of them take place in some sort of medieval society and yet it always have wage labor (in fact it almost always has nothing BUT wage labor and maybe slavery), has "guards" which is basically police, has same organized crime as our modern society does and same schools or "academies" that modern Japan has. Even when they write about fantasy they still picture their own scoiety because it's the only one they know. If you look at society's art you can see what problems it has, how it paints itself and maybe what that society really like, simple by analyzing the language that uses to talk about things.
If you think that the only books that can be used for that purpose are some autobigrapy shit of some guy writing his "life experiences", you are very much mistaken.
You can be a japanese and hate anime, just like you can be a burger and hate capeshit, but they still tell a lot about your society and probably yourself. It's just not a dumb one to one reflection of it like you tried to imply talking about someone copying behavior of fictional characters.
No.21260
>>21259>Even when they write about fantasy they still picture their own scoietyThey picture isekai society tropes gleaned off other isekai writers who in turn gleaned it off actually good authors who had ideas about real world. It's very divorced from reality in the end
>you can be a burger and hate capeshitSo, there's this capeshit called Authority, where there's those edgy DC rejects who decide to kill villains for good, kill politicians, and make a properly good world through the use of superpowers. Then they make a fascoid American scientist they've spared a ruler of Indonesia to fix things there. Then they kill China's leaders because they tried to steal a kid that was bound to be a hero of a next century (current century was some british woman, and next must be murrican!)
What I want to say is, those works represent author's views, and authors are gullible retards who lap up propaganda because it's structured just like their favorite books, animes and capeshit. To what degree of accuracy does THAT represent reality of their societies? Oh, and try to fit their views into chosen genre
No.21261
>>21256>Mental health/Personality Disorders a major driving factor of violent crime and fraud. Given that those disorders are defined by behaviour, like the APD, it comes to a circular logic where we classify undesired behaviour as disorder and then say that this disorder is the cause of such behaviour. What is the cause of those disorders? Simply biology? That's definitely not true and at least a good chunk of them like aforementioned APD do tend to be developed in people by their life circumstances.
>soldiers who commit war crimesYou know, it may have something to do with taking young men and learning them to indiscriminately kill people they never even met before, being constantly under streess both physical and mental and, yes, being rewarded for psychopathic behaviour and being covered for any wrongdoing unless it has too much publicity and even then (just look at war crimes in Iraq or Vietnam). So basically you train people to be antisocial and some of them become too far gone after that. Must be something in our genes.
Seriously at least try to think about examples you give.
No.21262
>>21261>being covered for any wrongdoingMore like officers and leadership intentionally bloodying their hands so that those soldiers don't show mercy
No.21263
>>21260>They picture isekai society tropes gleaned off other isekai writers who in turn gleaned it off actually good authors who had ideas about real world. It's very divorced from reality in the endCan you give me actual example of those "good authors"? What are you even talk about? What good author would make a medieval society that look just like ours? Are you trying to pretend you have a point or something?
They picture isekai and non-isekai fantasy worlds like that because that's the world they are surrounded by looks like. And it is true for other genres and countries, not only isekai.
>What I want to say is, those works represent author's views, and authors are gullible retards who lap up propaganda because it's structured just like their favorite books, animes and capeshit. To what degree of accuracy does THAT represent reality of their societies?Lol. Maybe spend like 10 minutes actually thinking about it?
No.21264
>>21260Come to think of it, author of Authority might be having a huge hysteria right now agaisnt Russia and China and might be writing comics where his superheroes punish evil Nazi Russians and Chinese. That sounds like something such a writer would do
No.21265
>>21262The point is that they are specifically conditioned for such behaviour. And they are being conditioned because of economic reality of imperialism' necessity to expand the markets for which it need such soldiers. It is not just some guy who suddenly for no apparent reason became crazy and started to murder peple with flamthrower.
No.21266
It's important to remember that manhwa, like any form of media, is a form of storytelling and entertainment, and is not necessarily an accurate representation of real life. Just as with any country, there are good and bad aspects of Korean culture. It's not fair or accurate to judge a whole culture based on the portrayal in a single form of media.
It's also worth noting that many manhwa are works of fiction and may include exaggerated or fictionalized elements for the sake of storytelling. It's important to approach all forms of media with a critical eye and to not take everything at face valu
No.21267
>>21266>It's also worth noting that many manhwa are works of fiction and may include exaggerated or fictionalized elements for the sake of storytelling.And here i though that everything people wrote or paint was always true. Thank you for opening my eyes for me.
No.21268
>>21263>Can you give me actual example of those "good authors"?I don't read them because I enjoy eating shit. But like, whne Death Note came about, everyone was copying it, and Death Note featured a sterile world of a victorious end of history where class contradictions don't exist and there's an increase in rampant crime (which in turn was gleaned off 1980-90s shows and movies with similar themes) which cannot be solved by inept justice system in place. So, every copycat did such a world of crime with their own twist on mindgame detectives
Isekais copy each other in the same way. I have no idea as for the the most influential shows, but those are likely to be normal fantasy anime and novels (that anime Deedlith is from was supposedly highly popular? Slayers?)
>They picture isekai and non-isekai fantasy worlds like that because that's the world they are surrounded by looks likeAgain, no. You are oversimplifying things. What do elves, dwarves and orcs represent in present day society? Where do enslaved beastmen even come from, lol? It's just tropes with some twists added here and there, but those things are pretty much a separate self-sufficient reality at this point. Elves and whoever else are in fantasy novels just because they are there, and their traits are stuck regardless of Earth' socieites.
As for what you are talking about, the surrounding society, yeah, you can see it in authors' works. Most obvious example - whenever MC tries to control and improve society by implementing proper bureaucracy or producing dildos on an industrial scale for aristocratic women
No.21269
>>21267You're talking to an algorithm, and probably so am I kek
No.21270
>>21250>>21252This, I hate people who try to make deep comments about society based on media(especially if its not even popular media like some mid performing film) do people not realize how utterly retarded the idea is
No.21271
>>21268>(that anime Deedlith is from was supposedly highly popular? Slayers?)Neither was really starter of the things i am talking. And even if they were, how exactly did they arise in those works? You argument is not really counter to what i said. It's like saying "god created universe" without answering "who created god".
>Again, no. You are oversimplifying things.Yes, that's how it works - people are molded by their environment. Unless you are some sort of idealist of course.
>What do elves, dwarves and orcs represent in present day society? Where do enslaved beastmen even come from, lol?They come from our colonialist and imperialist essentialist interpretation of races. I don't think you understood what i talked about if you expect an answer in the kind "well, dwarves are like german scotts and orcs are slavs or brown people, also beastmen are brown people". It isn't like 1 to 1 reflection. So meditate on that.
No.21272
>>21270Yes of course you can't tell anything about society by analyzing the media they produce en masse and propaganda they feed to their people. I was a fool to think so.
No.21273
>>21271Do answer me this: can we make a judgement about society's education based off isekai authors' lack of knowledge about technology, medicine and basic physics?
No.21274
>>21273It would not be fair or accurate to make a judgment about society's education based on the knowledge of a few authors of a particular genre of fiction. Isekai is a genre of Japanese light novels, manga, and anime that involves a character being transported to a parallel world. These works are often fantastical and may not necessarily be based on real-world physics or technology.
Furthermore, it is not uncommon for creative works, including fiction, to contain inaccuracies or to take creative liberties with certain aspects of reality in order to better tell a story or create a desired effect. This does not necessarily reflect the knowledge or education of the authors or the society in which they live.
In general, it is important to consider the context and intended purpose of a work when evaluating its accuracy or believability. It would not be appropriate to use the depiction of technology, medicine, or physics in a work of fiction as a basis for making judgments about the education or knowledge of a society.
No.21275
>>21261Personality Disorders, for the most part, are a combination of biology/genetics exacerbated by poor or abusive parenting, usually by parents who they themselves, a Personality Disorder.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5048197/People with Personality Disorders, quite literally, are brain damaged, due to a comination of genetics exacerbated by "trauma" through key mental developmental stages.
The criminal and antisocial behavior is from how they actually view the world and all social interactions. Every day people have numerous filters, commonly shared social assumptions, social cues etc that you use in social interactions. A large part of healthy interactions is empathy. Mutual trust. As a friend, I don't expect you to fuck me over for petty self gain, I don't expect you to lie to me, and they expect the same for me. If I see someone is hurt, I well help them, if I was hurt, I would expect someone would stop and help me.
People with Antisocial Personality Disorders don't view the world in this way, they literally do not have a concept of empathy, they do not feel that emotion at all. They view every social interaction as a zero sum game of winner takes all. When you're speaking to someone with ASPD, they are calculating in their head, the best way they can assert dominance and control over you and get gains from you, be it, you buy them lunch, or more likely they lend you a bunch of money you never, ever pay back. Every interaction is like this. People with ASPD will lie 95% of the time, even when there is no real reason for them to lie. They lie because they're always testing your boundaries, they know you know it's a lie, but the fact you don't call them out, incentives them to push further and futher. Everything with Sociopaths and their related Personality Disorders is about control over others.
They are human social predators. They themselves usually don't actually go out and go "I'm going to lie to this person about this specific thing right now", it's all purely instinctual, they're a shark.
These people are responsible for huge rates of crime that ends up in prison, we're talking 55%-90% of the prison population suffers from at least one of the major Cluster B Personality Disorders according to various studies.
Go read r/Sociopath on Reddit. Sociopaths ask for advice from other sociopaths or people ask them questions, and they always respond with the most banal evil answers.
"I'm a pathological liar and it's hurting my life, what should I do", "Lie better", "Throw a seed of truth in your lies, it makes them stick better", "Make sure your lies always benefit you" nobody says "Don't lie".
Some people are just legitimately predisposed to evil and they're always sadly going to be a noticeable minority percentage (6%-9%ish) of the population.
No.21276
>>21275NTA, but I have a question: can sociopaths even be cured?
No.21277
>>21275>Personality Disorders, for the most part, are a combination of biology/genetics exacerbated by poor or abusive parenting, usually by parents who they themselves, a Personality Disorder.And not, say, drill instructors.
>People with Personality Disorders, quite literally, are brain damagedNo, that's literally not what they are.
>People with Antisocial Personality Disorders don't view the world in this way, they literally do not have a concept of empathyGiven that you think that everyone with APD is psychopath it's quite clear you didn't research the subject (also because you think that every personality disorder is APD given your previous claims about brain damage). There is a reason for distinction between psychopaths and sociopaths. They both (among many other patterns fo behaviour) are classified under APD. And even when talking about psychopaths we know for sure that it is possible to socialize them since majority of them aren't some kind of movie serial killer or crime boss or ceo.
So i guess the moral is to do some actual research instead of superficial reading of wiki and couple link hits from google.
>>21276>NTA, but I have a question: can sociopaths even be cured?Again you show that you don't know the difference between psychopaths and sociopaths (which isn't an official distinction but still widely used among psychiatrists because of ti's usefulness). The key distinction is, again, that sociopaths are developed, not born.
No.21278
>>21276No, Personality Disorders mean the entire person is disordered, their entire sense of self and personality is completely broken. Therapy like DBT works to help people with these disorders manage the symptoms in more… healthy ways, for a Sociopath, they can't teach them empathy, but they teach them that fucking someone over for literally no reason or pathologically lying or always treating every interaction and a zero sum game, will lead to negative outcomes in the long run like prison. So they try to rationalise out something that at least acts somewhat like some form of empathy in practice.
healthy person "I have no reason to fuck this person over, it would make them feel bad, hurt them and leave them in a situation I myself would never want to be put in, people who do that shit suck"
"Reformed" Sociopath: I shouldn't fuck this person over because it's a negative behavior that will come back and bite me in the ass later.
There are more radical ideas of breaking the Sociopath down basically mentally to a child, and completely reparenting them over years into being a functional adult, but those are radical therapies that would be very rare to come across.
Another issue is that most Psychs and Therapists fucking HATE dealing with Cluster B patients, because there is a lot of research that shows that Sociopaths and the like will go into therapy in complete bad faith, and then just use the therapy sessions to fuck around and essentially harass their therapists.
There is also quite a bit of evidence as well that therapy actually often makes the Sociopath MORE manipulative, as they basically learn from therapies, ways to control their manipulation and lies more effectively.
The two most common jokes in the field are
"How do you treat a Cluster B Patient? Refer them to someone else"
"Cluster B is 5% of your cases, 95% of the work"
No.21279
>>21272I think using blockbuster films that were made as a mass product is definitely worth whole examination, but using some moderately popular sitcom to say something society is just "reaching"
No.21280
>>21276the etiology of mental disorders aren't definitively known it can either be biological or through life experience, if it's through the environment it would indicate that it could be cured, although it's commonly assumed that you cannot cure them.
No.21281
>>21277>And not, say, drill instructors.No, Personality Disorders develop from early childhood. Usually around the ages of 2-5. A large part of them is caused by a failure to properly develop a sense of self, seperated from their parents, which creates a warped/distorted/shifting sense of self. The sad truth, is that there is no actual real "person" there, it never formed, you have a creature of instinct that is bouncing around situationally.
>No, that's literally not what they are.They literally are, several parts of their brain are under-developed, they have very low levels of grey matter compared to a healthy brain. They usually also have other neurological things, like poor sense of taste and smell.
>>21277All Sociopaths are Psychopaths.
ASPD = Detached Secondary Psychopathy
BPD = Unstable Secondary Psychopathy
and then you have Primary Psychopathy which is a completely different beast all together.
Sociopaths are a mixture of Genetic and Environmental which basically creates a whirlwind predatory creature a large part as a trauma response as a child.
Primary Psychopaths are entirely genetic, you actually can work with, they have a complete lack of empathy, but they're usually extremely rational minded, very ordered. Psychopaths are actually generally far more successful, they're overrepresented as Surgeons, Doctors, Lawyers and Businessmen.
>The key distinction is, again, that sociopaths are developed, not born.While this used to be believed to be the case, all the Cluster B disorders are now believed to have a strong genetic component.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder#Genetic No.21282
>>21279>I think using blockbuster films that were made as a mass product is definitely worth whole examination, but using some moderately popular sitcom to say something society is just "reaching"Well when did i say that you use a single movie of show? Obviously you need to analyze them as a whole, otherwise you won't be able to see what is commong among them.
>>21281Man, you don't know anythign about personality disorders.
>All Sociopaths are Psychopaths. https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/sociopath-psychopath-differencehttps://www.simplypsychology.org/psychopathy-vs-sociopathy.html<Both disorders have an antisocial/deviance domain, but characteristics such as shallowness, callousness, lack of empathy, and emotional detachment are uniquely psychopathic traits.You clearly don't know what you talk about and just refuse to admit it, digging yourself deeper and deeper.
Not to mention that APD is more than just psychopaths and sociopath and can be someone who is for example is malignant narcissist. And you never even approached my point about the fact that those disorders are jsut desription of behaviour. not the reason behind it.
>>21261
>No, Personality Disorders develop from early childhood. Usually around the ages of 2-5.So soldier commiting war crimes was determined from his early age, not by the fact that he got drafted or enrolled into army (because it is one of the few social elevators) and it tought him to indiscriminately kill people. Gotcha. Please just shut up and read a book.
No.21283
>>21274You've lost me after the first sentence, robot. Good try, though
No.21285
>>21284That's common mentality in every army in every country of the world.
No.21286
>>21285No, it's not. Entire Soviet army propaganda was built around soldiers fulfilling international duty and be the proletarian army, not a bunch of rapists and murderers who just follow orders. If you read leftist publications, a huge emphasis is put on enemy soldiers who defected due to pacifism and/or compassion. Red Army shot it's rapists, ffs.
No.21287
>>21286A good soldier follows orders, even if he doesn't understand or doesn't approve them. No modern army will ever says to its soldiers "rape and kill civvies lmao", but emphasis on following orders, peer pressure and the brutality of war can have awful effects.
No.21288
>>21287>A good soldier follows orders, even if he doesn't understand or doesn't approve themYou clearly don't understand the purpose of commissars and political education in the army
No.21289
>>21288we're not talking about the red army, an army which hasn't existed in 30 years.
No.21290
>>21282If we want to get technical, Sociopath and Psychopath aren't even a thing anymore officially, you just have Antisocial personality disorder/Dangerous and Severe personality Disorder.
Sociopathy is usually referred to as Secondary Psychopathy in studies and literature.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6185817To get a Psychopathic personality type "diagnosis" (this is used more in forensic psychology rather than therapy), you need to simply score 30/40 out PCL-R (or 25 in UK/EU), something both a Sociopath and Primary Psychopath are likely to do. They also both meet the diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder, this is why Psychopath and Sociopath aren't actually used "officially" anymore, simply Antisocial.
I strongly disagree with Antisocial being the single diagnosis, as we both agree on, Sociopaths and Primary Psychopaths are quite different creatures at least in the internal mechanisms. Malignant Narcissist falls under the NPD diagnosis, not Antisocial (though I agree a malignant narcissist is very much a form of psychopath).
> read a book.I know exactly what book you are refereing too, I literally already posted it above.
>>21256>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT1qj4pTo0IThis was the groundbreaking book about Malignant Narcissism. Honestly, it's filled with horrifying case studies of genuinely evil people. The worst part was, their evil was completely banal, but destroyed the lives of people around them and they couldn't care less.
>So soldier commiting war crimes was determined from his early ageTechnically, from a diagnostic standpoint, an individual soldier committing a war crime doesn't have a personality disorder. What is very interesting though, is that groups of non-disordered people, can start to show actions and traits of Personality Disorders.
If you're interested in that topic,
https://youtu.be/IT1qj4pTo0I?t=7635 this goes into the group dynamics that led to the Mai Lai massacre. A group of 50-several hundred people, showed absolutely traits, as a group that would be considered Malignant Narcissism, the interesting thing though is as individuals, they wouldn't, but as a group, they did.
No.21292
>>21248Listian economics of protectionism isn't communist retard. That's like saying nazi germany was communistic because they support their state porkies.
No.21293
>>21290>If we want to get technical, Sociopath and Psychopath aren't even a thing anymore officially, you just have Antisocial personality disorder/Dangerous and Severe personality Disorder. Faggot, i literally said that in previous posts that those are not official definitions. And no, again you just can't even fucking read what you have googled, that's not how classification goes.
>Malignant Narcissist falls under the NPD diagnosis, not AntisocialWrong, narcissits who show antisocial behaviour can be put under APD too. It is pretty clear you don't fucking know a single thing about this topic.
>I strongly disagree with Antisocial being the single diagnosis, as we both agree onI don't agree with you one anything uneducated schizo.
>I know exactly what book you are refereing too, I literally already posted it above.No you fucking don't. Because i didn't mean any specific book, just that you should stop beign retarded and argue on topic you have less than zero knowledge about and go do some research. Fuck, how can a human being be so stupid and not die from forgetting how to breath?
No.21294
>>21290>muh brain upvotesYou need to go back.
No.21295
It's the exact same with South Korean movies (not just parasite). Everything and everyone is miserable in so many of the movies produced there.
No.21297
>>21296>99% of south korean films aren't profound statements about society, they are generic quirky romcoms or decent generic actions filmsYou are an idiot.
No.21298
>>21296Even in those action dramas the ROK govt is portrayed as irredeemably corrupt. I watched this one called Vagabond where the Korean deep state, mostly in the form of the presidency, KCIA, and arms manufacturers engineer a crisis by killing hundreds of their own people in a plane crash just to win some arms deal.
No.21299
>>21298You are saying "even in those" which means that you are going from the same assumption as
>>21296 this one. You think that most useful art is where some smart guy is trying to actively tell you something about his society, while the consumer products the constantly produced and consumed in said society tell you nothing or very little about it. In reality it's pretty much the opposite. It is exactly the everyday products that tell us very much about their society. It's just not as straightforward as "hey everyone is painted beautiful and rich in those dramas so they all much be beautiful and rich".
No.21300
>>21296>99% of south korean films aren't profound statements about society, they are generic quirky romcoms or decent generic actions filmsanon that applies to 99% of all films
No.21301
>>21300but these films are specifically made for mass appeal towards all sectors for the korean population, though romcoms will be made for a mostly female demographic and actions films a male demographic
No.21302
>>21199not exactly an accurate represenation of reglar korean life lmao
No.21305
>>21301the point is the average film is pretty bad and definitely not profound, it's nothing unique about korea
No.21306
>>21302True but its the first manhwa ive ever read and it was good
No.21307
>>21305I can't say anything about romcoms, but korean action films are pretty decent imo, they are okay if you have time to kill
they aren't great but in my experience every korean action film is done well and mediocre at worst
No.21308
>>21305What "being profound" even means? Also even if true it is irrelevant to the conversations that started on the topic of "what can be learned from the analysis of the mainstream cultural product".
No.21309
>>21196one thing your over looking is most of these are self published comics, and most people aren't just aren't creative enough to keep series afloat for too long before they start cannibalizing each other tropes. This is why his best series are stuff like Bastard or Sweet home which are pretty short.
Lookism devolving into H o w e v e r s and inconsistent power level wankery is so fucking stupid though, the manga hasn't even been about looks for god know how many chapters by now
No.21311
>>21310i really liked bastard and the apocalypse one tbf. I can see that despite /a/'s kvetching about how superior manga is, there is just a lot of boilerplate trite bullshit manga that doesn't really offer much even in the way of edgelord appeal. Like seriously manwha can be fucking psychotic at times and i can see why people would prefer it over the cleaner jap stuff
No.21312
>>21309I haven't read lookism(only watched the anime) I'm curious how does it devolve into a generic street fighting anime, the anime series seems to focus a lot on music and fashion as its themes
No.21313
>>21310And soon Chinese manhuas will eclipse Korean manhwas due to falling rate of profits, which means get ready for 500+ chapter comic series about gang wars between martial art sect young masters with the help of horse turd elixir becoming popular in the West
No.21314
>>21313bruh, the only Chinese mahaws that got popular outside China were all BL stories and Xi banned them
No.21315
>>21313yeah I also felt it was only wushus that were translated
No.21317
>>21306Definitely got my rocks off as well. Read Warehouse if you liked KS.
No.21318
>>21310It really isn't. Japanese have actual artists still working in the industry, Koreans and Chinese don't have the story quality. Coloring and distribution methods are superior, sure (although it's still goddamn cheap), but I still haven't seen any notable authors in either country
No.21319
>>21242>The whole concept of cheating stems from monogamy which is a product of class society and private propertyEven monkeys understand cheating. Even rats do. Stop spouting retardation.
No.21320
>>1337452
Something-something what you look for with murky eyes something-something
No.21324
>>21242uygha no cheating is bad because it gets you to pour resources into an offspring that is not your genetic spawn, making your resources go to waste. This has nothing to do with private property unless you, for some bizzare reason, think that the genetic urge to replicate your dna is somehow associated with capitalism
No.21325
Damn reading the boxing manhua made me realize why I fucking loathe it. Koreans just don’t understand brevity and subtlety the way the Japanese do.
No.21326
>>21324uygha you sound like an alien trying to describe human relationships, stop economizing relationality as if you're some utilitarian clinician, you've got the au'tism
No.21327
>>21326adding to this, go talk to a woman in these terms. be like, yea i have a genetic urge to proliferate my DNA, please be ovulating
really human stuff, yep
No.21328
>>21323Japanese mangakas still draw their shit. It's anime that gets outsourced, but then it depends on the title. For what it's worth, Japanese stories in manga and anime are better on average than Korean or Chinese ones. Japanese movies absolutely suck, though
No.21329
>>21318>>21323>Japanese mangaka>story qualityMangaka literally throw themselves into hellish nonstop working conditions in their late teens before they have any life experience or knowledge to actually base anything compelling on. Within the incredibly tight weekly/biweekly schedule most of them work under, they have to come up with the story and spend the vast majority of their time and effort on the art, meaning there's incredibly little room for adjustment or improvement if any plot element turns out poorly in practice because everything has to be conceived and finalized so quickly, unlike many other storytelling mediums which have much more room for revision to ensure that the story actually functions when viewed as a whole. There is no such thing as "story quality" in manga. Even the ones that people harp on like Berserk and Oyasumi Punpun are pretty weak from a story perspective honestly.
No.21330
>>21329>There is no such thing as "story quality" in manga.Compare to Koreans and Chinese. There's like 99 to 1 trash ratio in Japanese comics, and there's like 999 to 1 trash ratio elsewhere. Maybe it's just a taste thing
Also, Koreans tend to serialize from the get go, it seems, as there's almost never any non-continued pilots, and Japanese tend toward producing in volumes. Chinese just have self-publishing authors, it seems, their everything is fanfiction-level quality and distribution.
No.21331
>>21204Sorry but what does that say? I am not transcribing that into translate tbqh 😅
No.21332
>>21329to put it frankly, Japanese manga culture advanced too far, too fast. They moved into their own form of postmodern steady decline rut. It's not attractive or interesting to do cool, strong, well-trained, dedicated muscular heroes played straight anymore. It's not appealing to do heavy romances with equal partnership and sexual desire. Everything has to be ironic antiheroes, small children who randomly get powers, isekai self-insert fantasy clearly written by bullied, sheltered loners, and impotent sexless male freakouts that skirt around "romantic comedy" for literal years without any progress.
Meanwhile Korea and China are have been finally coming into their own and fully embracing archetypes of strength and truth and beauty. It's interesting to watch, because I am not particularly a big fan of Korean culture otherwise (I have lived in Japan and have made frequent trips to SK, it's very strange there, cold, almost alien, too complex to really discuss in a post). However I see this as a potential positive change. SK's fertility rate seems to be doing much more poorly than Japan's though, and their suicide rate is still catastrophically higher. I'm not sure what the future will bring. Suffice it to say, Japanese manga has certainly gotten bored with itself
No.21333
>>21332>SK, it's very strange there, cold, almost alien, too complex to really discuss in a postdo it faggot
No.21334
move this to anime?
No.21335
>>21332What a bullshit analysis.
Korea and China seem to be having a lot of "murim" stories stuff in their culture that is written and never translated, and we get a lot of manga that's basically drawn murim. There were a lot of zombie manga stories not so long ago coming from China, and Korea still is drawing "dungeons in modern world" shit. Japan has more "traditional" isekai shit, and they have more of it than all of murim combined. But then Japan actually has noteworthy manga and China and Korea just don't, it's all barely above fanfiction level.
No.21337
>>21336this clip makes me want to kill myself, who writes this shit
No.21338
>>21337Propably the guys that wrote those gta 5 cartoons
No.21339
>>21196Is it just me or do Bad Korean webtoons all look the same?… Like it's all the same artist.
No.21340
Do foreigners in korean fighting manhwas have unique fighting powers ?
like in Japanese fighting manga series, foreign characters will also have special "fighting powers" based on stereotypes on their country or ethnicity
for e.g in Hajime-no-ippo(one of my favorite series) foreign fighters can't even be regular boxers, they always have some weirdly flashy fighting style of superpower, so all mexicans have some magical power letting them jab in a way no other race can, black people have faster reflexes, whites have stronger endurance and and an Indonesian guy fights literally like a monkey
No.21341
>>21340> black people have faster reflexes, whites have stronger endurancetbf that's untrue, but again its only at 3-5% difference and is usually regarding the top percentile of athletes, west africans do have faster twitch muscles, northern europeans have body frames that allow them lift better at higher weight classes and slightly higher grip strength
but again this only applies to the top percentile of competing athletes
No.21342
>>21200I don't get the hype around lookism though, I literally forced myself through 300 chapters and it’s fucking awful
like it started off with depicting actual social problems.(don't know abt execution but still i liked it).
Then like after one of the arcs where one of mc's friends does smthing to mc, imo it goes downhill.
Suddenly like, him having 2nd body is to surpass some other character in fighting.His goal is to unite 4 mafia gangs. All these new characters that I dont feel for them for anything. also our of nowhere the mc randomly becomes a super genius, which I dont see anywhere.
Now, literal high schoolers are against the whole korean underworld.I feel like the mc's motivation or goal could've been like "becoming an idol to help my mom" or "I have passion in this. So I should do it."
Sorry this is long rant. But i am rlly disappointed.
No.21343
>>21336i'm just going to assume korean people are actually like this
No.21344
>>21343well people in Thailand are like this from my experience
No.21345
Korean seems slightly less class cucked than japan, at least. You have things like Squid Game and Parasite.
No.21347
>>21345There comics still suck tho
No.21348
>>21340There's surpisingly a lot of mentions of either Systema or what was that loli from dead-or-alive was using (sambo?)
No.21349
>>21345>>21347two pieces of media compared to 99% of other korean media very generic action films or romcoms
No.21350
>>21345this uygha doesnt even realize what squid game was based on
No.21352
OP's picture pretty much sums up how retarded most manhwas are.
No.21353
>>21200Here's the Korean martial arts powerlevels in manhwa:
>"MMA"usually the most generic punches and kicks that the author got from googling
>traditional taekwondo Undefeatable, muh 400 years of superior kicking, Practically unstoppable but not entirely
>boxingWins against mooks but sometimes gets shat on
>wrestling Grappling is seen as gay and lame by most manhwa demographic
>judoSee above
>Ssireum The shitter. Usually a dumb retarded brute that loses disgracefully against 130 pound MC.
No.21354
>>21242>>21324>The whole concept of cheating stems from monogamyPolyamorous people tend to be even more against cheating than monogamous people are lmao. The problem with cheating isn't primarily about private property or muh genetic heritage (although they have some relation). It's bad first and foremost because it's a betrayal of trust and boundaries. Any consequences of cheating (which can also include STD transmission) are a product of dishonesty and inability to control yourself for the sake of your partner(s), to make compromises/sacrifices for the sake of the commitment, i.e. to have a functional relationship.
>though Engels still mostly right even from standpoint of modern antropology.L O L
No.21356
>>21354>Polyamorous people tend to be even more against cheating than monogamous people are lmao.You don't even know what those terms mean. How about you actually read Engels?
>L O LYes, problems, booklet?
No.21357
>>21356>>21354what about the fact that most Polyamorous are mostly ugly
No.21359
>>21357Skill issue on your part
No.21360
>>1385202
who cares what ugly people do?
you seem obssessed, if they are happy who cares
No.21361
>>1385202
ok so what? hardly a scientific sample is it, you'd need a representative sample of polycules, not some random redditors
No.21362
>>1385202
I have no horse in this race but have you considered it is redditors who are ugly not poly people?
No.21364
>>1385202
>Alternative lifestyles attract dysgenic people
No shit. Why do you think channers,polys and other such people tend to be very ugly? Its because good looking people has no problem coursing through life, so they usually just accept the status quo as something normal and good. Only rejects, both in the economic but also in the aesthetical sense, would be remotely interested in "alternative" worldviews
No.21365
>>21363>>21361do you have any examples of IRL poly couples were they are mostly attractive
No.21366
>>21365Why does that matter to you?
No.21367
>>21355same reason there aren't any massive popular Judo manga's(even though its possibly the most effective martial arts to come out from Japan) cause its boring and practical and doesn't have any special moves
No.21368
>>21366His brain is spooked and addled with porn
No.21369
>>21365How am I supposed to know who is poly and who is not
No.21370
>>21367Well, judo is just sportified jujutsu, but i more or less agree with you. Throws are deadly in real fight. Which can be a downside too.
No.21371
>>21367>>21355Reminds me of Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple, where 4000 year old Chinese martial arts can beat trained soldiers with guns but the guy whose a black belt in Judo is the weakest character
No.21372
You guys want to know why Koreans get plastic surgery?
https://www.wilsonquarterly.com/quarterly/transitions/eyes-wide-cut-the-american-origins-of-koreas-plastic-surgery-craze>Some white american doctor helping korean war victims wants to find a way to make the "oriental" eye into a western eye No.21373
>>21372Proof that Fanon has never been wrong.
No.21374
>>21372What the fuck. and why is there so many posts today that made me go wtf.
No.21375
>>21373>>21374Funny thing is I literally just found this out with a wikipedia search after a 4chan thread on plastic surgery and Korean girls, yet it's basically unknown
No.21376
>>21373But what's his solution? I've seen his account of the problem but not the solution.
No.21377
>>21319>Even monkeys understand cheating. Even rats do.No they don't.
No.21378
>>21377Yes they do
>U. MICHIGAN / U. PENNSYLVANIA (US) — Wild gelada monkeys change their behavior to avoid getting caught cheating on sexual partners>Leader males and females typically give loud calls while mating—a vocal duet that can be heard from more than 30 meters away. Therefore, the simplest way for cheaters to avoid discovery is to stay quiet and keep an eye on the whereabouts of the leader male.>After carefully studying more than 1,000 sexual relationships among geladas, they found that cheating individuals do, indeed, make sexual noises less frequently. Most cheating between the female and subordinate happened while the leader male was at a safe distance away. This combination of behavior suggests that the couple tactically alter their behavior to avoid detection. No.21379
>>21377Agreed, we can't do that
No.21380
>>21378In all seriousness, I don't think Engels denied mate protection, he barley even commented on what sexual relations would look like under communism (picrel). Engels never advocated for polygamy I don't know where this position comes from, "the origins of the family" was a book of family economics that related private property, patriarchal relations, and monogamy.
That was a strange argument you had.
Btw I would be careful of using animals examples, while they can be helpful under certain circumstances and context's, human behavior can't simply be reduced to the behavior of other species.
No.21381
>>21331It's just a shitty korean flash "animation" about two guys arguing about some guy not coming out of the toilet until the one on the top left shits himself and kill them both with the stench
Rough translation
"Ah then please could you finish up quickly?"
"Oh what the fuck
I told you that I just got in here"
Then they call each other retard and moustache guy makes the other one call him "big bro" only to renege on his promise for saying it three times, not once
No.21382
>>21378Subordinate male not screaming when fucking so that leader male doesn't come and beat the shit out of him is definitely the same as understanding that you are causing emotional pain by cheating.
Are you from /pol/ or simply retarded?
No.21383
>>21314Bruh they are literally not banned. What the fuck is up with American thinking being gay is illegal in China?
No.21384
>>21383For enlightened liberal chauvinists, it is literally impossible to fathom the idea that a global south country would do anything but stone gays or throw them off rooftops.
No.21385
>>21318I guarantee you this is not true. Weebs are extremely defensive well past the point of outright racism and enforce the the exclusion of Korean and Chinese cultural products. Chinese and Korean animation and graphic novels are not allowed to be discussed within anime and manga communities.
No.21386
>>21384It’s wack because the US in the 20th century was by far more sexually repressive than the rest of humans and enforced and actually created “heterosexual norms” around the world through its hegemonic influence. I thought it was well known that non-western cultural norms were far more permissive and fluid than the modern, western sexual frameworks that replaced them. And yea that means in China it was a norm that Chinese men were holding hands, kissing and fucking each other.
No.21387
>>21385>Chinese and Korean animation and graphic novels are not allowed to be discussed within anime and manga communities.Neither is Disney, so what? Absolutely retarded argument. People who like anime don't wanna discuss something that isn't anime in their communities, what a racist bunch they are.
No.21388
>>21387killing-stalking is one of the best mangas ive ever read.
No.21389
>>21388Well, you have a shit taste. And it's not a manga, they don't even fucking know how to do paneling, it's so fucking lazy.
No.21390
>>21389>they don't even fucking know how to do panelingThis is my problem with many Korean webcomics. I also heavily dislike 4koma.
No.21391
>>21387Disney is an institution with billions of dollars in marketing and a rabid, diverse fanbase. Get real dude.
Fact is Koreans and Chinese creators are breaking into a new market and thus have little momentum or institutional support or established communities (I remember being an anime fan back before it was popular— with the exception of Miyazaki, it took decades for its worth to be recognized among the Westoid mainstream.). Now works from Korean and Japan from an “objective” perspective slot nicely into the existing communities of anime and manga fans, but those communities are also obviously racist and have clearly adopted WHAT THE SEE AS normal Japanese attitudes toward KOR/CN works, people, and culture and see their communities. So they’ve created an explicitly racial distinction that makes otherwise stylistically indistinguishable works “Japanese” based on nationality of author and are hostile to these other communities and artists.
No.21393
>>21389Yeah but it has gay rape and emotional abuse so its pure kino
No.21394
>>21391>it took decades for its worth to be recognized among the Westoid mainstreamI wish it never did tbh.
No.21395
>>21391>>21394And I say this as an elitist piece of shit, not as some sort of anti-weeaboo.
No.21396
>>21395>>21394It still hasnt been recognized as the superior art form though cuz calarts and alegria are the dominant corporate style of cartoon people at the moment
No.21397
>>21396You joke but west vs east bullshit is tiresome.
No.21398
>>21395Kind of agree tbh. If I saw a reference to the Akita slide 15 years ago I would have cum in my pants but today I would probably just cringe. But on the other hand if anime was still marginal I would be more obsessed with it than ever. Probably why I enjoy watching China shit more these day tbh is what I’d say if I had some self-awareness.
No.21399
>>21391>Disney is an institution with billions of dollars in marketing and a rabid, diverse fanbase. Get real dude.Are you intentionally pretending to be retarded? That's not the point. I fucking swear, leftypol gets stupider every day.
No.21400
>>21399The point is that they are very similar and in some cases the only artistic difference is the nationality of author.
No.21401
>>21391>Now works from Korean and Japan from an “objective” perspective slot nicely into the existing communities of anime and manga fansExcept they don't. The only reason you think they should is because you are westoid orientalist racist cunt. Manga and manhwa are as different as anime and disney animation (already told about paneling for example), but hey, they both come from those slint eyes people so i guess animu fans should like both or…or….they are racist.
Fuck you, westoid.
No.21402
>>21400They aren't. A person with two working brain cells should be able to tell which one is manhwa and which one is manga. There are also mangas from korean and chinese authors, which is pretty good and accepted in the anime and manga communities. So, fuck off you racist piece of shit.
No.21403
>>21402>>21401I’m talking about “donghua” which is indentical.
No.21404
>>21402Don’t lie you fucking bitch. It’s not allowed for me to talk about Chinese anime in western anime forums. They just ban it because the author is Chinese.
No.21405
Weebs emulate Japanese anti-Korean and anti-Chinese racism because they think it makes them more authentically Japanese. This is just part of their community.
No.21406
>>21403>donghua>indenticalOnly if you are legally blind. Or mentally incapacitated.
>>21404>It’s not allowed for me to talk about Chinese anime in western anime forumsJust like you won't be able to talk about disney or pixar. Different fucking medium. Has different style, different settings, different plot devices and so on. Stop being retarded or just kill yourself.
>They just ban it because the author is Chinese.Fuck off with your reddit drama.
No.21407
>>21401Manga and manwha are interchangeable because of how connected their cultures are. Japan and Korea is like Turkey and Greece. The only reason why weebs hate manhwas and other elements of the korean pop culture is because they're whignat retards who absorbed anti korean and chinese racism through osmosis from animes and japanese imageboards.
Outside of the West, most non-white weebs also watch donghuas and read wuxia novels.
No.21408
>>21407>Manga and manwha are interchangeableThis thread has plenty of manhwa examples posted. If you can't see the difference between it and manga i don't even know what to tell you. It IS a different medium, there is nothign wrong with liking it, but there is also nothing wrong with disliking it or not discussing it on forums dedicated TO A DIFFERENT MEDIUM.
No.21409
>>21406> Just like you won't be able to talk about disney or pixar. Different fucking medium. Has different style, different settings, different plot devices and so on. Stop being retarded or just kill yourself.Okay here’s a link about what I’m talking about. Girl gets Isekai’d.
https://youtu.be/ChsQ4YOu-LY No.21411
>>21410>webcomics>traditional print comicsYou clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
No.21412
>>21411You just think Korean comics look different because they usually are web comics whereas most famous Jap comics come from print magazines.
No.21413
Why is this bullshit on leftypol anyways? We have a whole board for anime bullshit and you still can't keep it contained.
No.21415
>>21414Not my fault Asians can't speak English.
No.21416
>>21413The anime board has enough bad threads as it is.
No.21417
uyghas will say not wanting to read capeshit is racist
No.21418
>>21407There is an objective difference in the way Manhwas are produced which leads to radically stories and art-styles between manhwas and mangas
No.21419
>>21285in the official narratives of the armies? yes
in the media or in the idea that the public has of soldiers (what the message you are replying to was actually pointing out)? definitely not, but it depends on the country
>>21284kanikosen is the one that comes closer to this, but it isn't a normal commercial manga so it doesn't count
it is probably because it would go against the official narrative and manga authors are not supposed/allowed to be "polemic"
but they are not the only ones. americans have something similar; the "good guys" in hollywood movies may refuse an order, but it is always out of loyalty to the "american values"/flag/army/whatever (capital). their allegiance (to capital) and efficiency is always uncompromising and indisputable
it is basically the same idea that you see in japanese media but with the flavor of american exceptionalism and token individualism. from full metal jacket to avatar, from rambo to jarhead, they all follow this pattern
the rest of the world doesn't do this
No.21421
I loooove manhwa
No.21422
>>21420>implying they didn't get this from burgersIt's so bizarre when Westerners are like "holy shit Korean pop culture is so toxic" they're literally just copying and pasting what they see in US mass media, that's why they're successful versus Chinese and Japanese who still are tied to domestic audience
No.21424
>>21423The man was a parasite his entire life, he first sided with Japanese imperialists and changed his ancestral name to a Japanese one, wrote a pledge of allegiance to Japan with his blood and was belied to have been involved in war crimes in Manchuria, when the Japanese empire collapsed and korea's fate was uncertain he was actually a member of labor party and was almost executed for being a communist and was only spared thanks to a few friend of his, during the korean war he rose rapidly through the ranks and in 1961 when he was about to forcefully retired he took power in a military coup and became a US stooge
The man had no ideology or consistent worldview his entire life
No.21425
>>21422>>21420Ehh Americans in general are actually a lot more frugal minded than a lot of places I think. Why people make fun of Americans for having no fashion sense. They just get all their clothing at the mart.
No.21426
>>21424The man had a consistent viewpoint during his rule of sk and that was to turn korea into a copy of manchuko
He absolutely idolized showa japan and sought to implement showa statism with korean characteristics
No.21427
>>21425If anything Americans take frugality to a ridiculous level. Everyone eats the same garbage food. My friend was working on refurbishing a multi-million dollar house and they're putting in laminate lol.
No.21428
>>21336literal american psycho card scene
>"look at these expensive things">"he is so good at picking clothes"kek
>>21426>was a japanese collaborator>then in the labor movement >then a rightwing us allied dictator how is that consistent in your opinion
No.21429
>>21428every post-WWII Japanese/Korean/Taiwanese right winger has a similar story, doesn't matter if it's Shinzo Abe's grandpappy, Park Chung Hee, or Lee Teng Hui. same shit every time.
>was ready to die for teh emprah but ooops war's over you dont get to kamikaze yourself anymore>welp time to join my local socialist/communist party>wait pls dont kill me i'm actually a based anti-communist and US imperialism is awesome but Japan still should've won WWII No.21430
>>21429interesting, can you give more examples of this I'm genuinely curious about this, reminds me of beefsteak Nazis
No.21432
>>21431To get rich is glorious tho.
No.21433
>>21423>Park Chung-hee was obesseded with korea being a "western Caucasian" nation and wanted to uproot all previous of Korean culture and identity to make Korea like that>Park Chung-hee did hate traditional korean aesthetics cause he thought korea was a backwards nation that had to be forcefully modernized/westernizedI mean this was an incredibly common in sentiment through Asia during the era, in China because of the century of humiliation as well as Korea because of all these foreign powers constantly trampling over sovereignty and near colonizing them. Even Liu Xiaobo thought something like this.
No.21434
>>21428I daid during his rule of korea…………but to answer your question even when he was part of the labor movement I wouldnt be surprised he still secretly idolized the showa restoration. I don't recall reading anything that said he renounced his former beliefs meanwhile a lot of his manchuko buddies joined the same organizations. Hell south korea was a hot bed of former japanese collaborators including the military so the guy was surrounded by pro japan people. And during his rule in Korea while he ruled as a pro us American right wing dictator his interpretation of right wing was basically showa statism with korean characteristics. the dude was an opportunist but he was an opportunist that at its core admired Japanese fascism. He even went to kishi and straight out told him post coup that I liked manchukos economic and political practices and seek to copy them
No.21435
>>21432not to act like a giant obnoxious retard though, I mean look at this guy
No.21437
I have literally never seen a Korean with tits larger than a D cup. Ridiculous.
No.21438
>>21437flat is justice you fucking mongrel
No.21439
>>21437Never seen a korean
No.21443
It looks like korea is going through a 1960s and 70s moment with rising labor costs, suffering industry, increasing competition and etc. The next 20 years will be interesting.
https://maritime-executive.com/article/mounting-pressure-on-south-korean-shipbuilders-as-dsme-declares-crisisDespite a surge in orders over the past two years, the South Korean shipbuilding industry is facing mounting pressures due to rising costs and labor shortages. Faced with the continuing competition from China and the industry’s exposure to Russian shipping, several South Korean shipbuilders are struggling to strengthen their positions.
The Korean Ministry of Trade, Industry and Energy yesterday highlighted the strength of the industry in the first half of 2022 saying that South Korean shipbuilders received the most order volume and highest value of orders so far in 2022 beating out their Chinese rivals. According to the figures, the South Koreans received 45 percent of the volume measures in gross tonnage, and with their focus on higher value ships such as LNG carriers received 47 percent of the value of orders placed this year.
While the Ministry was highlighting the order success, Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) one of South Korea’s leading shipbuilders announced mounting problems in a regulatory filing. The company’s financial losses increased by more than 120 percent with management citing rising costs and the Ukraine war. The mounting losses have driven DSME's debt to equity ratio to 547 percent as of the end of March.
http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=33591In case of Hyundai Motor, Kim said, labor costs are higher than Toyota and Volkswagen but labor hours per unit are 11 percent to 26 percent higher than Toyota, Ford and GM. On the other hand, Korea ranks low among major countries in labor management cooperation (24th) and labor flexibility (21st). The price gap between the Hyundai Elantra (the Avante in South Korea) and Toyota in the U.S. market dropped from 7 percent in 2005 to 1.3 percent in 2018.
As the car industry is falling, its employment is also on the decline. The number of employees in the auto industry decreased from 401,000 at the end of 2017 to 385,000 as of April this year. The workforce of first-tier suppliers was reduced by 8,000 from 294,000 to 286,000 last year because 20 first-tier component producers went bankrupt last year.
Experts say that domestic auto parts companies are being pushed out of the market due to a lower level of technology. The research & development (R&D) expense to revenue ratio of South Korean component producers stands at only 2 to 3 percent which is one third to fourth compared to that of advanced countries’.
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2022/09/29/business/industry/korea-posco-hyundai-steel/20220929163421076.htmlThe country is also short of experts. Demand for workers with skills in both automobiles and information technology (IT) is growing, but there are not enough experts.
The price of hot-rolled steel stood at 1.1 million won ($773) per ton on Sept. 23, up 10 percent on month. The price of imported hot-rolled steel also jumped 24 percent to 1.2 million won on month. Hot-rolled steel is commonly used to make components in vehicles.
A ton of H-beam steel traded at 1.3 million won, up 7.5 percent, during the same period. H-beam steel is the major material at construction sites.
The price of stainless hot-rolled steel rose 10 percent to 4.4 million won while the prices of steel plates, which are the main materials for shipbuilding, rose 14 percent in just two weeks.
Prices are expected to rise even more rapidly in coming weeks as Hyundai Steel employees are planning more strikes.
Hyundai Steel’s four labor unions went on strike for eight hours on Sept. 24 and 25. They said they will stage strikes unexpectedly until the company accepts their demands.
Hyundai Steel unions are demanding a base monthly pay raise of 165,200 won and 15 percent of last year’s operating profit as incentives. It also requested 4 million won of bonuses, arguing that employees of Hyundai Motor, Kia and Hyundai Mobis received that amount.
No.21444
>>21438>flat is justice you fucking mongrelWrong.
>>21439Never in real life, but I have online.
>>21440Western D I guess? Those look
tiny lmao
No.21446
>>21201At least they have free healthcare and good public transit. Also their crime rate is way lower
No.21447
>>21420Kpop is cancer. It’s just ripping off black American music. They’re also ripping off Italian and American fashion. There is nothing unique about it. It’s just simping for westernoids.
No.21448
>>21447 (me)
It honestly reminds me on how whites would steal music from black artists from the 1900s to the 1970s. It’s really no different
No.21449
>>21423>>Park Chung-hee was obesseded with korea being a "western Caucasian" nation and wanted to uproot all previous of Korean culture and identity to make Korea like thatJesus Christ that’s like 99% of KPoop
No.21450
>>21205But Americans don’t have bean-shaped heads
No.21451
>>21450what are you talking about?
No.21452
>>21451Look up “cal arts style”
No.21453
>>21445She's going to stab him to death.
No.21454
>>21431well "my life as a loser" ended, it had all the designated good characters being fabulously wealthy business owners and influencers and the bad guys end up working at subway(I'm not making this shit up)
I get wanting to be comfortable but what is this obsession with being a rich internet celebrity, say what you wanna say about Japan but I have never read a Japanese martial arts series which rides so hard on the concept of being a millionaire celebrity
No.21459
>>21455>Burger thriftiness comes from that Calvinist thing I think in which making a lot of money as a businessman is praiseworthy but we're not allowed to truly enjoy it because that makes us feel guilty. Hold on. Everytime I hear about "Protestant work ethic" and such things, I'm always very doubtful. To give context to this, keep in mind I'm a Wop - a Wop-Wop, not a Burger-Wop - and I've been hearing to this silly story that the woes and faults of this fucking country - Wopistan - resides mainly in the fact that Catholicism remained always dominant here and Protestantism has never been a relevant thing, religiously, ideologically or otherwise. We are lazy, dirty, vulgar, noisy, rude, unreliable, poor and so on while the fantastic Anglomen, Germanomen and Nordomen are industrious, productive, civic, polite, discreet, well mannered, tasteful and wealthy because at some point they started following the liturgy and the church organisation proscribed by some Monsieur Calvin or Herr Luther while we sticked to the fuckin' pope and all the holy mass and yada yada yada.
Bullshit. Crap. Rubbish. Nonsense.
And you know the origin of all of this? Some Herr Weber in the early 20th century. He was a German guy who wrote many books. Very boring, because German books are in German, which has a very complicated grammar and style. One of those books was about this "Protestant Ethics" and what not. Years ago I downloaded a copy of it. An Italian translation, obviously, because I'm lazy and unreliable and I couldn't study German. After a few pages I couldn't carry on. So, I remembered a line by Billy Crystal early in "Harry meets Sally". He says that when he gets a book, he always read the last page first, so if he died suddenly, at least he would have known the end of the story! Billy Crystal is a Jew and they are definitely the most clever of all! Many amazing Jewish comedians too, obviously!
So, getting back to this Weber guy's book, I went full Billy Crystal and I found out at the last page something like "but after all my entire idea is but an hypothesis and further enquiry could be needed" or some stuff to that effect.
Well, that day, aside from having found a little jewishness in me, I also found that many libs and cons and intellectuals and all the dog and pony show never actually read that fucking book… Or at least they didn't get wise the same way Billy - and I - did…
>We can never be truly decadent like Italians or Gulf Arabs.Take us out of that. We can't afford it anymore, ffs!
>>21458It's an acquired taste…
No.21461
>>21457I have an uncle who worked as a senior systems manager or something for Samsung before he got sniped by SK Telecom. Dude has a 100k+ company car, a luxury apartment and a line of gold diggers on his dick and he's still miserable. There's no way of winning unless you are part of the chaebol.
No.21462
>>21461>There's no way of winning unless you are part of the chaebol.Those people will be mostly miserable too anon.
That is the whole thing. Capitalism is a bad system for everyone involved.
No.21463
>>21462when is south corea gonna embrace chaebolshevism aka syndicalism?
No.21464
>>21457normie lib video, trash
No.21465
>>21464>normie lib video, trashKek. Are you seriously implying that the only media you consume or should be consumed is created by non-normie communists?
No.21466
>>21336Holy shit this is hilarious, it's like the worst combination of burger and east asian cultures you could get
No.21467
>>21196SKorean shit is the worst crap you will ever see. Try to read some webtoons of them to see what I mean. It's not just that they look like shit and that the writing is beyond shit (Japanese isekai have that too, at least the latter), but they are outright passive aggressive and sociopathic to a degree at which you will assume the writer to be some hysteric woman from the mental ward. Unironically toxic shit and all the writers care about is fame and money, literally comics written by psychopathic gangsta rappers.
No.21469
what's the state of current leftist in SK these days.
No.21470
>>21200Honestly I keep up with Reality Quest (aka Quest IRL) because the main character actually has a reason to be in a gang. (His father was mentor to troubled youth and died under suspicious circumstances,) The others I've either skipped on or tried and didn't like.
No.21471
I think the big difference with kpop and Westernartists is that kpop groups/companies are pretty open with the fact that these groups were already decided upon, there’s definitely a lot less of the “I built myself up from the bottom” that American groups/artists have. Idols regularly talk about auditioning and their days as trainees, they know that they trained to debut and aren’t really trying to pass themselves off as an organic act if that makes sense.
The tenacity of kpop fans comes from the extreme parasocial relationships formed with idols. Idols drop so much content that it might actually be intimidating for a newcomer to get into, this is something that American artists simply don’t do. Billie Eilish for example is one of the top artists right now but even I have not seen her stans move like kpop stans, the dedication is simply something that is only formed when you are barraged with content and have the constant sense that these people are being marketed as your close friend/lover.
No.21472
fuck chaebols
No.21473
>>21464Yes? Isn't it a good sign that normie libs see how bad worst korea is?
No.21474
>>21473Yeah but it's usually "this is capitalism but worse because they're Asian" which while not entirely wrong, it sort of serves to make them grateful they have based Westoid capitalism instead.
No.21475
>>21471What is the difference between a KPop Idol and the icon of Mao Zedong when he was alive directing initiatives for the red gaurds?
No.21476
>>21475I think its Lev Gulimev who said that humans just have a desire for religion and something grander to believe in, which can be your religion, your specific ethnic identity, your state and in this your special kpop "group" it comes from the same place
No.21483
Part-Korean Anon here; S.Korea is the most predatory place you could live in. Of course if you're a Westerner that moved there you'll have it a bit easier because colonialism and Russians often get a pass because we're crazy.
No.21852
Why is so much of Manhwa webcomics full of horny stuff? Like even actually plot driven stories have anime tier gags and fanservice that sometimes disrupts the tone of the story.
No.21855
>>21852It helps draw eyeballs in what is a massively super saturated market.
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