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 No.13908

Did Falangists and National Syndicalists switch allegiance to the Republicans following Franco's control of the JONS labor union?
>>I have encountered Spanish Flangeits and National Syndicalists who dislike Franco and support Marxism-Leninism.
- Some of these individuals have read Marx and Lenin and believe that ideologically loyal members of the JONS joined the Republicans to protest Franco's takeover of the Union.

>>the only case I have found of this being true was Ramiro Ledesma Ramos who was later shot by the CNT apart from that can't find any other sources so I am here to ask you anons if you can find any other sources of this happening.

<<also, I had to read their Retraded theory ew.

 No.13909

You misspelled the topic op.

 No.13910

oops sorry

 No.13911

I remember on 8chan/fascist/ how they always said something like "franco betrayed the falange" and that jose antonio prima de rivera was the best, but reading wikipedia doesnt give me any clues about why they say that

 No.13912

>>13911 Maybe try using a different source because Wikipedia doesn't mention everthing

 No.13913

>>13911 Franco Betrayed the Flange by taking it over and completely ideologically fucked it up by not implementing Syndicalism in Spain and Allying with the bourgeoisie, banning labor unions, not abolishing capitalism joining Nato, and Sucking America's dick. the JONS union was Originally a National -Syndicalist, Anti-capitalist Utopian Socialist, isolationist Nationalist, organization so you can understand why they were pissed off, also it's kind of the same relations as with the Hoaxits and the Revisionists or the Marxist Leninists and the tortkyists

 No.13914

>>13908
>I have encountered Spanish Flangeits and National Syndicalists who dislike Franco and support Marxism-Leninism.
twitter isn't real life

 No.13915

I haven't done much research on Falangism in particular, but in my research on Fascism generally I've noticed a trend of there being more radical "Left Fascists" who want to push the "Fascist Revolution" further. In the case of the Nazis they were out and out purged, in Spain I imagine they were suppressed, though in Italy they had a little more luck.

Edmondo Rossoni, for example, was a Left Fascist who lead the "Fascist Syndicate" which, funny enough, grew larger than the actual National Fascist Party. He'd openly encourage strikes, went as far as saying that the industrialists would eventually lose their power once the workers were educated enough to seize the means, and apparently frustrated large Capitalists enough that (allegedly) one of them said they may need to start funding the Communists to fight the Fascists.

ᴉuᴉlossnW, similarly, underwent a (broadly unpopular) policy of "Socialization" of businesses during the RSI. Among his allies was a former Communist that argued he was free to do the "real" Fascist revolution.

So it doesn't shock me that a few Falangists opposed Franco. If anything he was just a conservative Junta leader. Not an actual, ideological Fascist.

 No.13916

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>>13915
Franco's regime seemed much more of a traditional Catholic authoritarian state with moths munching on the vestments, and with the fascists subordinated to that regime rather than the other way around. The Falangists pulled heavily from students if I remember right and many were killed off in the war, with their leader intercepted and shot by the Republicans.

The Italian fascists and the Nazis went radical during the endgame period of WWII but that was when they were in total war mode.

 No.13917

>>1484268
>JONS party who joined the CNT but most of them got executed by anarkiddies.
Based

 No.13918

>>13908

>>Did Falangists and National Syndicalists switch allegiance to the Republicans following Franco's control of the JONS Labor Union?

>> Simple answer
<<yes, there were former members of the JONS party who joined the CNT but most of them got executed by anarkiddies.
>> Long answer
<<We don't have any more sources except that possibly some joined the Poplar Front or the POUM, PCE ) but We don't know.

 No.13919

>>13918
>>1484268
>>1484266
Ok we get it holy shit

 No.13920

>>13919 i was fixing my spelling's

 No.13921

>>13919
because i am not English

 No.13922

>>13916
Franco let the Natsyns exist becaue they were popular due to German and Italy influence on the whole Europe during the early 20th century. When Franco saw that the fascism ship was sinking, he purged the Natsyns and he became more of a classic strong-man military religious dictator. During WW2 Franco even wore suits and stuff to imitate Hitler.

 No.13923

>>13911 Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Decree_(Spain,_1937)
Franco forcibly merged all Nationalist factions of the Spanish Civil War into one party that retained the name and symbols of the the Falange but was no longer an ideological monolith


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