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 No.15226[View All]

The history of philosophy is the history of the will-to-power coming to know itself and affirm its own validity against the lies of sophistry; a therapeutic endeavour of spirit against idealistic bullshit which produce narratives that serve the powers that be. In this regard, the task of philosophy has been fulfilled, completed by Nietzsche & Marx, and the domination of nature by man has found its final vessel in cybernetics. As Wittgenstein writes, "Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language." Philosophy itself has been embroiled in an endless struggle against itself over the same questions for centuries, but never coming any closer to real answers to those questions, with each generation it recedes into more meta-argumentation than before.Given that philosophy has been completed, what remains of the initial questions which plagued the pre-socratics? What is it to be? Why is there something rather than nothing? These are questions philosophy has actually left outstanding, problems that it just isn't equipped to deal with, as the pursuit of 'wisdom' (which reveals itself to merely be a facet of the will-to-power).

Let us ask the question another way. What is the will-to-power? The will-to-power is the actualising force of the ego onto the surroundings. In modern life, the world accelerates faster and faster as humans seek more and more to actualize their will onto the world. The lie we tell ourselves is that the faster we go, the more we can experience and enjoy. The active element of human life becomes frantic, restless, directionless, a mere reflection of the passionless bourgeois consumerism of the times. Though we experience 'leisure' it is nothing more than the brief respite from work, in fact many are compelled to work through this leisure time (productivity culture). We see that the vita activa without the contemplative element leads to a dead, unreflective life, and those who live under it become mere sheep. The man-as-labour metaphysics is not merely descriptive but prescriptive. You WILL work. You WILL be your labour.

As Byung-Chul Han writes
>"History – which, according to Hegel, is a history of freedom – will not be completed as long as we remain the slaves of work. The domination of work makes us unfree. The opposition between master and slave cannot be sublated by everyone becoming a slave of work. It will only be removed if the slave actually transforms himself into a free man. The vita activa remains a term of compulsion as long as it does not incorporate the vita contemplativa within itself. "

Why do we call it an 'acceleration'? Is time truly accelerating? What is really being accelerated? Acceleration is caused by the inability to find conclusions. Time runs off because it finds no conclusion. Right and good time disappears. 'Whoever cannot die at the right time must perish in non-time'. Growing discontinuity, the atomization of time, destroys the experience of continuity. The world becomes *non-timely.* Dasein's cyclical time fades into directionless meaningless moments- atomized. Proust's 'In Search of Lost Time' is a reaction against the progressive de-temporalization of existence. The self disintegrates into a ‘succession of moments’ (succession de moments). Thus, it loses all stability, all permanence. The ‘man that I was’, Proust writes, ‘no longer exists, I am another person’ (je suis un autre). Proust’s novel about time, In Search of Lost Time, is an attempt to stabilize the identity of the self, which threatens to disintegrate. The temporal crisis is experienced as an identity crisis.' Proust’s narrative temporal technique opposes temporal dissociation by framing events, uniting them into a coherent whole, or structuring them into certain periods. They are reassociated. A net of relations between events lets life appear liberated from sheer contingency and bestows significance on it.

In the acceleration of Dasein's time, collective memory becomes fragmented. Surges in poltical traditionalism are a reaction to ongoing foreclosures in our social imagination of our fragmented understanding of history. abstracted traditions disappear from the public conscious to make room for new ones. acceleration of capital gives collective dementia. Proustian recollections of traditions are perceived as spiritual enlightenments. This gives rise to reformulated traditions but under capitalist dementia society is forced to hold onto the memory, chasing after the enjoyment of recollection inorganically through a paranoid repression of difference- fascism arises. In this way not only the accelerationists but also the neo-reactionaries too are idiotic. The future cannot be the mere re-appropriation of past tradition but the transvaluation of values is where the work is done. The re-imagination and re-institution of the magmatic ontologies of society.

So what we see is that what is really being accelerated– is the disintegration of the self by the unchecked will-to-power, and all semiotic difference. Indeed, dialectics itself, the chosen poison of philosophy, is predicated upon the obliteration of the significance of motion, time. How ironic it is that they call themselves accelerationists- given that they do not believe in motion at all!!!! Thought cannot be accelerated, thought must be slow, deliberate. Only through the ending of this age of philosophy and the opening up of a new of age of thinking (which yes, also requires the end of capitalism) can we be free.

Vita Contemplativa!
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 No.15365

>>15360
also i appreciate the compliment and ofc femininity itself is the construction of patriarchy

>>15358
You need both. The vita activa is the pure gathering of expeirences. the vita contemplativa is the processing and ordering of those experiences into that which can then be appropriated by the will.

>>15362
thanks

 No.15366

The bolsheviks were and all communists are by definition accelerationists. Time matters MORE when things accelerate, because more happens in less time. Your post is reactionary.

 No.15367

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>>15226
>TL;DR
<This text presents a critical perspective on the history of philosophy and its limitations in addressing fundamental existential questions. It suggests that philosophy, as a battle against the deceptive power of language, has been unable to provide real answers to questions about existence and the nature of reality. The author argues that the will-to-power, the drive to assert one's ego onto the world, has become accelerated in modern society, leading to a restless and directionless pursuit of desires. The text also discusses the negative consequences of the domination of work and the erosion of leisure time, which result in an unreflective and unfree existence. The concept of acceleration is examined in relation to the loss of continuity and the disintegration of the self. The fragmentation of collective memory and the rise of political traditionalism are discussed as reactions to the disintegration of history and the acceleration of capitalism. The text concludes by suggesting that true freedom and a new age of thinking can only be achieved through the end of the current philosophical paradigm and the transcendence of capitalism.

 No.15368

>>15366
ah, the underlying fallacy of basing all value on material production which capitalism grounded in, how i loathe you. y'all are on a merri-go-round. nothing is being processed. moments in accelerated time are transient. history is no longer a history of development– neither in narrative time or non-linear. merely a series of moments. just because 'more happens in less time' (it doesn't actually, 24 hours is 24 hours) doesn't mean your time is accelerating. in many ways it is slowing. what's really happening is your Dasein is being disintegrated into an instrumentality, equivalent with death.

 No.15369

>>15368
I'm defining value as the amount of porkys and their lumpen scum rightoids shot

 No.15370

anfem anon threads always remind me of why I gave up on continental philosophy. So much of it reads as obscurantist schizobabble at worst and at best obtuse pointless jargon obscuring coherent points that could be made much clearer as >>15367 exemplifies

 No.15371

>>15370
I know it always boils down to nothing or common fucking sense

 No.15372

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>>15369
this is why we need to uphold Kierkegaardian-Heideggerian thought against revisionist existentialists….

 No.15373

>>15370
firstly, I just feel a need to be referentially transparent. I will associate each post with a plain version from now on, if y'all agree not to get overly literal about the plain version.

but the primary problem is the plain version like the post you mentioned just doesn't really get to the meat and potatoes of why. WHY does it erode collective memory? WHY does it lead to political traditionalism? WHAT is being accelerated? HOW can we understand time? it misses all those.

 No.15374

>>15373
what i would suggest is using that post and then bootstrapping yourself up to a full understanding of the OP because it misses important details.

 No.15375

>>15373
Oh, incomprehensible philosopher, please bestow upon our feeble minds the means to fathom the intricate nature of time. Without your profound elucidation concealed beneath layers of pompous drivel, how could we ever hope to grasp its mysteries? And, oh wise sage, do enlighten us as to the reason why the plain version lacks the exquisite profundity that resonates within your convoluted ramblings. Pray tell, within the labyrinthine corridors of your verbosity, what great insights lie concealed, waiting to unravel the enigmas of time?

 No.15376

Don't judge a book by the number of pages.

 No.15377

>>15376
If we judge the substance it's just dogshit

 No.15378

>>15373
> I just feel a need to be referentially transparent.
anfemanon just turned into a functional programming language.

 No.15379

>>15308
The most vulgar "reading" of D&G i've ever seen. Please quote a single work of theirs that says or even implies this
>class arises because of desire, people need food, so they have to organise labour relations to get it

 No.15380

You have no friends in real life. I know this to be true

 No.15381

>>15365
>you need both
Alright, I don’t really disagree I guess.

 No.15382

>>15367
Thank u so much anon, now after I read this and the OP text I think I understand it more :3

 No.15383

>>15379
second section of anti-oedipus lol

 No.15384


 No.15385

>>15383
You're retarded, please reread anything you think you've read. Watching youtube videos does not count.

 No.15386

OP, can you please elaborate on your thoughts in regards to cybernetics?

 No.15387

>>15385
lol, imagine pretending to read anti-Oedipus and getting angry over the internet wrongly arguing that it’s not largely a re formulation of Marx via looking for a proper *explanation* for the *mechanics* of class through a materialist interpretation of Nietzsche’s will-to-power (taking influence from Lyotard’s libidinal economy)….

 No.15388

>>15386
Cybernetics etc, is the vessel which allows humanity a more full domination over nature and surroundings.

 No.15389

>>15387
Imagine being unable to find a single quote to back up your brainless pseudery

 No.15390

>>15389
He's already admitted that he just runs Chat GPT on all his posts to spit out nonsense hence why all the posts don't make sense and are illogical because the AI is just randomly throwing names and phrases around in some pseudo-intellectual attempt to sound like it knows what it's talking about. Stop feeding him with replies.

 No.15391

>>15388
And by that you mean to say…?

 No.15392

>>15390
you gave up and are just making stuff up now huh

 No.15393

>>15389

>Why Marx and Nietzsche? Now that's really mixing things up!"

one might protest at this point. But there is really no cause for alarm.
Readers of Marx will be happy to learn that Marx fares quite well in this
confrontation. One might even say he is trimmed down to bare essentials
and improved upon from the point of view of use. Given Deleuze and
Guattari's perspective, this confrontation was inevitable. If one wants to
do an analysis of the flows of money and capital that circulate in society,
nothing is more useful than Marx and the Marxist theory of money. But
if one wishes also to analyze the flows of desire, the fears and the
anxieties, the loves and the despairs that traverse the social field as
intensive notes from the underground (i.e., libidinal economy), one must
look elsewhere. Since psychoanalysis is of no help, reducing as it does
every social manifestation of desire to the familial complex, where is
one to turn? To Nietzsche, and the Nietzschean theory of affects and
intensity,

>'As Marx notes, what exists in fact is not lack, but

passion, as a "natural and sensuous object." Desire is not bolstered by needs, but
rather the contrary; needs are derived from desire: they are counterproducts
within the real that desire produces'

Maybe instead of pretending class is some primordial existing material thing you should use your brain and think about where class originates from materially :) choosing to ignore it in favour of vapid essentialism instead of coming to a historical understanding of how class comes about is the real idealism! dont be a cultist retard

 No.15394

>>15393
>While Deleuze and Guattari quote frequently from Marx and Freud,
it would be an error to view Anti-Oedipus as yet another attempt at a
Freud/Marx synthesis. For such an attempt always treats political
economy (the flows of capital and interest) and the economy of the
libido (the flows of desire) as two separate economies, even in the work
of Reich, who went as far as possible in this direction. Deleuze and
Guattari, on the other hand, postulate one and the same economy, the
economy of flows. The flows and productions of desire will simply be
viewed as the unconscious of the social productions. Behind every
investment of time and interest and capital, an investment of desire, and
vice versa

literally in the intro. like, way to reveal you never even read anti-oedipus's first pages

 No.15395

faggot

 No.15396

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 No.15397

Psychorrhea: A particular form of thought disorder characterized by vague and bizarre theories of philosophy; usually the stream of thought is incoherent. It is symptomatic of
the hebephrenic or disorganized type of schizophrenia.

 No.15399

>>15391
"9. No prophecy is necessary to recognize that the sciences now establishing themselves will soon be determined and steered by the new fundamental science which is called cybernetics.This science corresponds to the determination of man as an acting social being. For it is the theory of the steering of the possible planning and arrangement of human labor. Cybernetics transforms language into an exchange of news. The arts become regulated-regulating instruments of information. "

 No.15400

>>15393
So your answer to me asking for a quote to back up your claim that D&G explicitly say
>class arises because of desire, people need food, so they have to organise labour relations to get it.
is to quote from Foucault's introduction that has no bearing on the claim. everyone knows anti-oedipus is a melding of Nietzsche and Marx as materialist thinkers, that is not what we're arguing. None of what you quoted supports your assertion. Jfc every thread you post in is dogshit

 No.15401

I always forget that anfemanon is literally retarded and unable to define any of the jargon they use.

 No.15402


 No.15403

What the actual fuck is going on here

 No.15404

>>15403
Philosophy confuses and enrages nerds

 No.15406

>>15404
but philosophers are nerds

 No.15407

>>15400
>asking for a quote to back up your claim that D&G explicitly say class arises because of desire
when did i ever say there's an explicit quote saying exactly this you idiot? they say need arises because of desire, so naturally if class arises from need it arises from desire.

>everyone knows anti-oedipus is a melding of Nietzsche and Marx as materialist thinkers

errr ok you're not a serious person if you think Nietzsche was a materialist lol

 No.15408

>>15407
instead of this fake-ass outrage why dont you actually criticise the content of my argument that it's a necessary flow of D&G instead of
> uhhh well actually this they didnt literally say that verbatim!!
kill yourself pseud

 No.15409

>>15407

leftypol: the will to power is idealist stop using those words!!
also leftypol: nietzsche was a materialist thinker

 No.15410

>>15403
leftypol cant read basically lol

 No.15411

>>15410
It is known

 No.15412

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>>15226
ok skimmed this thread. at first i thought there is not input for me to make here, though there seems to be some things after all. gunna write this down bcs it touches points that i am a bit ambivalent abt. a lot of this going to be more speculative my apologies… i do suspect that there are some subtle idealist elements at work here. a major problem i suspect is going on here is that you are reducing the task of thinking largely to an abstraction as seen here >>15281 … the issue is that it is one thing to think, and it is another thing for the negativity of thought to be at one w a negativity in the material conditions themselves. if it is not, then it is merely some idle reflection. this goes back to what i was talking about in the last thread… positive freedom is always suppressed in capitalism. it never fully achieves full actuality because workers have little control over their work. this is the fundamental limitation of thinking-as-praxis. it is not to say thinking is useless, but it can be rather impotent. as you have brought up more ideas into this post, i see it appropriate to bring up brzozowski once again

>The man-as-labour metaphysics is not merely descriptive but prescriptive. You WILL work. You WILL be your labour

i think what needs to be said about man-as-labour is that it is not simply a blind fetishization of work. rather, labour is both the primordial site in which Being unfolds, and also the site in which man may be subjugated and reduced to a machine. without understanding the ontological import of labour, we fall into a contemplative liberalism, which only criticizes capitalism to the extent that it makes people work. brzozowski makes a distinction between labour which is largely free and irrational, and that which is mechanized and lifeless
<The α of labour is a leap beyond intellect because, as Bergson states, it is the function of intellect to pragmatically foresee (Bergson 1946, 34). Oblivious, the intellect seeks to formulate grounds for an activity that has no grounds beyond itself. Such grounds only appear after labour has ceased to be a delineating inner gesture, when it has become a mechanically repeatable activity in the space of homogeneous social life

i believe your criticism of accelerationism rests on a misdiagnosis of the cause of this need to temporally recollect… this part is going to be more speculative…
>Proust's 'In Search of Lost Time' is a reaction against the progressive de-temporalization of existence. The self disintegrates into a ‘succession of moments’ (succession de moments)
this to me is a clear reference to bergson's critique of the classical metaphysic of time. in the classical metaphysic, the intellect abstracts time into a mere succession of moments. this leads to a mechanical understanding of the world. likewise our labour can become mechanized and commensurate with the intellect. ultimately, by stripping workers of their autonomy, there is less "irrationality" in labour. we become dominated by hypostasized forms from without. idk if a search for lost time is really the answer, as while it finds some traces of Eternity through contemplation, it doesn't do much to address that mechanizing tendency which is a source of alienation. it feels more an attempt to scoop up what little autonomy we have in modernity rather than to actually seek for more

>This gives rise to reformulated traditions but under capitalist dementia society is forced to hold onto the memory, chasing after the enjoyment of recollection inorganically through a paranoid repression of difference- fascism arises

something ofc to be stressed here is that this memory that is often fetishized by "traditionalists" and the like is often abstracted from the concrete conditions in which it made sense. it is treated as some sort of hypostasized archetype or schema that can just be applied mechanically from without… ok something to say as well is i am a bit iffy on this stuff because the place of the intellect and the mechanical in bergson's system thought is a bit weird. it is not as though the intellect is wholly other to duration, and matter is not wholly devoid of the past either. though i guess this is similar to the fact that proles are not wholly unfree under capitalism. things are not so simple

>>15281
i also do not understand this insistence that thinking is slowness. really, true "thinking" when fully actual (i.e. a negativity in base itself) is more characterized by an irrationality. slowness is not quite what is required, but rather that (often spontaneous) bringing together of the elements of past habitual (and perhaps also intentional) elements into some individuated section/sections of time

 No.15413

I just farted

 No.15414

bumo

 No.15415

>>15412
🐖🍉

 No.15416

>>15414
Stop bumping your shitty threads man


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