This is perhaps breadtube video I have yet seen, to call it disinformation would be an understatemen Anonymous 2023-05-01 (Mon) 06:26:00 No. 18068 [View All]
This video is titled The Gay Body Image Crisis by James Somerton, seemingly its a video essay about gay people's body image issues, but in actuality its just bizarre venting against fit people through ahistorical revisionism. The main narrative presented throughout this essay is that recreational exercise. physical fitness, and bodybuilding were invented by the Nazis, based on antique statues and these were then bought to the US by gay soldiers, where it shaped first the gay sub culture and later became the mainstream image among the heteros. There are a few obvious problems with these statements. So modern fitness training in the US started about a hundred years before the Nazi party, In addition, the bronze era of bodybuilding, began with Sandow before the turn of the century: predating WW1, So Americans, gay or straight, didn't inspiration from the SS in regard to body image and exercise. He also makes a claim that the BMI formula was specifically invited by white supremacist and used by Nazis to find an ideal solider bodytype, so again the BMI also predates the Nazis and while the tables were developed after WW2, and they were based on mortality studies, so the normal weight category was the one with the lowestmortality rate, not the one closest to a SS-Supersoldier The absolute most ridiculous claim he makes is that he states Ernst Röhm was killed because he was fat and hence didn't fit the image of the ideal man, while the party politics surrounding the so called Röhm coup are not even mentioned. Somerton leaves out the fact that one of Röhms greatest rivals, one who talked Hitler into killing him, was Hermann Göring – a man just as fat as Röhm. Seriously, of course this was about power and politics, not body image. So at the end of the video Somerton, based on these misleading historical narratives, try's to shame people for being into fit people because that's what "Hitler thought was perfect." like the bodies in the clips he uses are not that uncommon in many young men, that's the bodytype of most fit healthy young men and that can be found in any race of men, I mean the whole bodypositivity, HEAS and fat acceptance movement was always ripe with body-shaming and open scorne of thinner people, that is nothing new. But the politicization of a certain body type, its identification with a political ideology, is. concerning to say the least like guess who also heavily idealized the muscular body in their propaganda,: The Soviets and pretty much every other communist movement in the world
82 posts and 9 image replies omitted. Click reply to view. Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 00:21:01 No. 18152
why would communism affect video game emulation y'all retarded
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 02:07:25 No. 18154
>>18153 how often do "leftists" use weapons to defend themselves
ill give you physical fitness when dealing with antiriot teams
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 02:45:23 No. 18156
>>18154 are you that one guy who was insisting that physical fitness is irrelevant for modern combat, kept on bringing up the Taliban and Viet-Cong as example of why physical for warfare is some sort of capitalist scam and waste of time
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:06:00 No. 18157
>>18155 firearms are cool but all this rhetoric feels ahistorical or outdated nowadays. maybe when capitalism is in its last throes will guns make a comeback, who knows
>>18156 uh……………… no?
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:09:27 No. 18158
>>18068 >modern fitness training in the US started about a hundred years before the Nazi party, "umm ACTUALLY, it was a different eugenicist slave oligarchy that invented bourgeois idealism of genetic hygiene fitness culture, it was the one that had more racist laws about 'one drop of blood' than the nazis, who were influenced by them but had more moderate laws about blood purity" Very Good Fact-checking, Sir!
>>18124 Curious to see this from the same corpos who did a psyop to convince people "eating fat, not sugar, causes obesity" (google about China for more info)
https://miscellanynews.org/2018/12/05/opinions/sugar-industry-responsible-for-deceiving-u-s-on-fat/ >body positivity movement is basically a glowop Neoliberalism is all about "making rational choices as an individual in the free market", I think these woke capitalists retweeting radlibs talking about mental health are cringe, but I'm still more concerned with bourgeois moralists like Kanye who still spew Oprah style anti-fat ideology despite it literally killing his own mother (!!!) with her elective cosmetic surgery. Making healthy choices is important, but that's about education and giving workers power over their own nutrition, it's not about shaming people for living in food deserts and eating processed foods because of their depression and learned helplessness.
>>18153 >Why should the left abandon physical fitness and weapons training, the only means we have to defend ourselves? The word "ourselves" is doing a lot of work here. The issue is when that praxis is just neoliberal subject individualism, like the uncanny Instagram models but commie aesthetic instead of Andrew Tate freaks. The idea of collective fitness (or learning about marital arts) stopped being a thing when racist Reaganites privatized state funded programs and made kids lose their community centers and YMCAs.
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:16:55 No. 18160
>>18159 Every time leftypol shits itself when someone doesn't care about guns it shows how American-minded everyone here is tbh, guns are literally a non-issue everywhere else. So much that gun possession is completely associated with bougie right-wingers where I live.
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:17:00 No. 18161
>>18158 >The word "ourselves" is doing a lot of work here. no shit
>The issue is when that praxis is just neoliberal subject individualism staying healthy and defending fellow proles from fascism will never be neoliberal subject individualism. taking care of society begins with taking care of your body. The better take care of yourself the longer you can stay alive and serve your fellow proles. Imagine getting the education to become a doctor then dropping dead at 30 from heart disease. It would be a waste, not just individually, but collectively.
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:18:14 No. 18162
>>18161 >staying healthy and defending fellow proles from fascism will never be neoliberal subject individualism it literally is, sounds completely useless as opposed to just organizing
>then dropping dead at 30 from heart diseasechanners dont use hyperbole and retarded analogies challenge (impossible)
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:20:50 No. 18165
>>18164 thanks for posting a 2-century old quote to prove that not only burgers care about this shit!
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:21:21 No. 18166
>>18164 Unless you don't think latin america counts as third world, nobody cares here either, lmao.
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:22:41 No. 18167
>>18163 i literally am working class and take care of my grandma and my disabled mother in law and a baby. if i dropped dead of heart disease they'd be fucked. we need to restructure society so that they can rely on other people besides me, but that starts with revolution, which starts with a bunch of able bodied people taking up arms and overthrowing the ruling class. I don't have "ideology goggles" for recognizing this. Do you have anyone who depends on you for survival? What are your material conditions like?
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:23:44 No. 18168
>>18167 >What are your material conditions like? why do you guys speak like this
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:27:19 No. 18169
>>18165 maybe if your government suddenly became fascist and started rounding people up you'd give a shit, moron. Do you think 3rd world insurgents resist imperialism with sticks and stones? are you going to seize the means of production with your bare hands? Are you going to go up against the might of the bourgeoisie with your bare hands? imbecile. weapons have universal relevance. perhaps this is invisible to EU gardeners who have an unsustainable social democracy that leeches off of the 3rd world
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:28:35 No. 18170
>>18166 >nobody in latin america cares about weapons lying through your teeth. Venezuela and Bolivia have fended off coup attempts in the past 5 years.
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:29:55 No. 18171
>>18168 do you take care of anyone or not? i take care of people. something tells me you don't since you ignored the question
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:30:42 No. 18172
>>18168 >hey do you take care of people <heh im gonna ignore that question and try to bully you over using a word with 3 syllables you're not trying to have an honest conversation
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:34:09 No. 18173
>>18169 3rd world insurgents face subpar militaries, the fact is almost every attempt at trying to face a competent function army never works, whether its an Islamist, nationalist or communist insurgency
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 03:36:37 No. 18174
>>18173 This doesn't make guns irrelevant at all. Goalposts are now in an entirely different field.
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 06:37:49 No. 18175
>>18153 >>18158 >>18068 This reminds me of a video by Dan Olson(the Minecraft is actually colonialism guy) I watched years back, where he talked about how collective origination of people into any force, will always lead to Fascism, even when I was a lib I found that sorta dumb, like yeah it sucks when its used for Nazism but it doesn't have to be Nazism, it can do a lot of collective good as well
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 11:18:55 No. 18176
>>18171 >>18172 im not the same guy why would i answer the question
>bullylol
Anonymous 2023-05-16 (Tue) 11:19:37 No. 18177
>>18174 if were gonna talk about goalposts trying to get guns before having any sort of organization is fucking stupid lol
Anonymous 2023-05-17 (Wed) 10:06:17 No. 18178
>>18175 in which video does he say that? i've watched plenty of his stuff but i can't recall hearing him say anything like that
Anonymous 2023-05-17 (Wed) 10:56:23 No. 18179
>>18068 >The absolute most ridiculous claim he makes is that he states Ernst Röhm was killed because he was fat and hence didn't fit the image of the ideal man, while the party politics surrounding the so called Röhm coup are not even mentioned. Somerton leaves out the fact that one of Röhms greatest rivals, one who talked Hitler into killing him, was Hermann Göring – a man just as fat as Röhm. LOL great find! Too bad I have no vlogging presence, I would make a response video about how that purge was really about the pro-pedicurists (Göring liked getting his nails done) VS the anti-pedicurists and that getting a pedicure is fascist, which also proves women to be ten times as fascist as men. I mean, people without hands never get a pedicure and have you ever seen one of those guys giving a Hitler salute?
Anonymous 2023-05-17 (Wed) 17:28:46 No. 18180
>>18177 >trying to get guns before having any sort of organization literally nobody advocated this in the entire conversation. way to move the goalposts yet again
Anonymous 2023-05-17 (Wed) 17:29:50 No. 18181
>>18176 >hehehe you thought i was the same guy but i definitely was not sure buddy
Anonymous 2023-05-17 (Wed) 17:31:40 No. 18182
>>18180 >>trying to get guns before having any sort of organization That's literally what burgers on this shithole do ITT and all the time.
Anonymous 2023-05-17 (Wed) 19:57:51 No. 18184
Breadtube has really become some of the most terminally idealist-brained bullshit imaginable. It's pampered ex-theater kids doing bits in Dario Argento lighting while talking about how a 90s children's cartoon was culturally backwards by modern standards. God forbid you see any of these terminally-online PMC weirdos do actual materialist or class analysis.
Anonymous 2023-05-21 (Sun) 15:16:37 No. 18186
>>18185 uhhh a patsoc would be progun lmfao..
Anonymous 2023-05-21 (Sun) 16:51:11 No. 18187
>>18184 Bruh, breadtube has been shit since they lost purpose in early 2018 and basically nonexistent since 2020 when the patronbux ran out. Where are you seeing any of this?
Anonymous 2023-05-21 (Sun) 17:19:23 No. 18188
>>18184 They can't do that because they are bourgeois approved political dissemination bots who beg like lumpen hobos for money all fucking day spouting anti-communist or bourgeois socialist nonsense, all from within their fucking mansions
Anonymous 2023-05-21 (Sun) 17:29:19 No. 18189
>>18184 >>18188 I wouldn't even call them pmc class. They are blatantly lumpenprole. They arent professionals of or managing anything. They just beg like fucking hobos and play minecraft.
Anonymous 2023-05-21 (Sun) 17:34:52 No. 18190
>>18189 sounds based actually
Anonymous 2023-05-21 (Sun) 19:02:51 No. 18192
>>18191 I wonder what haz will say once he makes a million
Anonymous 2023-05-21 (Sun) 19:25:01 No. 18193
>>18191 >millionaires are fine Unironically correct. Like who gives a shit if some petite-bourgeois fuck own a yacht or something. Big picture. Not to mention, "millionaire" is symbolically a shorthand for living in luxury, not having to worry about money. That is a goal of lot of proles, completely understandable one I might add. Railing against millionaires just turns them off, paints communist movement as something that seeks to cut the tall poppy rather than ensure everyone gets to enjoy their life to the fullest.
>Chinese and Russian revolutions happened because the people were just jealous End of that video, where she talks about socialism, was awful, probably the worst take I ever heard her proclaim, but somehow unrelated, when it comes to support for social movements, "objective" living standards seem to be secondary to "subjective" ones, meaning a gap between real living standards and expectations.
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 04:27:03 No. 18194
>>18193 >>18192 fat hands typed these posts
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 04:52:06 No. 18195
>>18192 I mean he was already raised by a millionarie or billionaire, his dad. No?
Anonymous 2023-05-28 (Sun) 00:45:55 No. 18197
>>18105 Wow this is accurate. It goes along a step further where beauty is determined on facial features, not an attribute you can control exactly. Being fat or being fit is for the most part, controllable and requires effort.
Anonymous 2023-05-28 (Sun) 00:48:24 No. 18198
>>18087 >Today it is the working class that are fat. Go take a look at the U.S. Congress and claim they’re working class
Anonymous 2023-05-28 (Sun) 00:53:28 No. 18199
>>18193 >petite-bourgeois fuck own a yacht or something. The petite-bourgeois are not owning a fucking yacht. They’re your typical small business owners that are often poorer than welders.
The people who own yachts ARE the problem. They run the country and the world, it’s their fault. That’s the whole point in revolutionary socialism.
Anonymous 2023-05-28 (Sun) 01:17:58 No. 18200
>>18199 >That’s the whole point in revolutionary socialism. i thought the point was dismantling capital and class division not focusing on rich fucks
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