Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 20:33:51 No. 19393
Tradcats are extremely mentally unwell and should be treated like your regular schizo
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 20:34:16 No. 19394
To be fair the Soviets did a lot of shit the CIA never found out about. You’re right there’s no evidence they infiltrated the Vatican though.
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 20:38:56 No. 19395
People severely overestimate the CIA's reach and competence, to the degree that a few schizos here even believe that "glowies" are monitoring users and collecting their posts for blackmail purposes.
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 20:44:36 No. 19396
>>19395 This.
I’ve heard the CIA be accused of numerous things with little to no evidence. Fucking hell, I’ve been told Chomsky has been a CIA agent all along.
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 20:45:55 No. 19397
>>19396 everyone is a cia agent except me until proven otherwise (pro-tip, you can't)
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 20:52:40 No. 19398
>>19397 Smoke weed? Well then, you’re just an asset of the CIA!
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 20:53:56 No. 19399
>>19392 >Fulton Sheen A poor-faith actor who constantly conflated “communism” with “atheism” in nearly all his sermons. Fuck that guy. Not credible.
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 20:58:30 No. 19401
>>19392 >overthrowuyghovernments based wordfilter does it again kek
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 21:08:16 No. 19403
>>19399 communism is often conflated with ML which is pretty much atheistic, the only exception I'm aware of is cpusa 'bill of rights socialism'.
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 21:15:06 No. 19404
>>1282352 >Tradcaths fail to grasp that Vatican II was merely when they stopped being private about their agenda, and embraced postmodernist architecture to demoralize the territories it occupied.
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 21:41:53 No. 19405
>>1282352
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 21:43:40 No. 19406
>>19403 B-b-but Haz told me Christianity flourished under Stalin!!
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 21:46:48 No. 19407
>>19403 In what way was cpusa's Bill of Rights socialism not atheistic?
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 21:46:50 No. 19408
>>19392 >Not to mention, how did all the alleged commie priests in the US fly under the radar of the FBI during McCarthyism? Bella Dodd made this shit up in order to make herself look more “redeemed”, goofy. She never talks about it in her snitch memoir or snitch testimony.
Think about it: if she was talking about this publicly while surrounded by feds, and the feds never investigated her claims, there’s a pretty strong chance she was lying through her teeth.
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 21:55:28 No. 19409
>>19407 freedom of religion and speech
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 21:57:19 No. 19410
>>19408 if anything she was the agent perpetuating red-scare if not just a grifter.
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 22:09:13 No. 19412
>>1282352
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 22:28:41 No. 19413
>>19410 Oh she loved being a rat. She allegedly gave the feds more info than any other ex-CPUSA member. She HATED Foster and wanted to take him and his party down any way she could. Bitch.
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 22:41:36 No. 19414
>>19392 How was this book? Is it worth critiquing?
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 22:43:37 No. 19415
>>19394 >>19395 Yeah but how does a communist plot involving hundreds of organized agents go unnoticed when they were going after everyone else?
Anonymous 2022-11-26 (Sat) 23:39:35 No. 19416
>>19415 It didn’t happen. We’d have a paper trail from the FBI if it did.
Anonymous 2022-11-27 (Sun) 00:13:39 No. 19417
Firstly it wasn’t. Rather than the Sedecavaticanist claims, Vatican II was mostly an update to existing doctrines within the Church in order to modernize it. Namely because there was a genuine belief it was falling behind the times (ie Mass was still in Latin despite no one speaking Latin other than priests)
Anonymous 2022-11-27 (Sun) 00:33:44 No. 19418
>>19417 exactly, if u infiltrate it, what can you do exactly? not much. Most decisions at councils are done on a majority or consensus decision, and if u start preaching heretical doctrines people will start calling you out, then you lose your authority.
Anonymous 2022-11-27 (Sun) 01:08:50 No. 19419
>>19417 I'd also add that there's a very logical reason for why American Catholics (aside from Hispanics) tend to be overwhelmingly politically liberal: they live in cities. It's identical to why so many American Jews are hardcore Democrat voters, they live in urban centers and suburbs and absorb that culture.
Go to the rural countryside in the US and you'll be hard put to find a Catholic church, or an Orthodox church, or a synagogue, or a mosque, etc. but you'll find a plethora of Protestant churches (mostly Baptist and Evangelical).
Not going to lie, part of me thinks the urban/suburban vs. rural divide is a hell of a lot more significant than many comrades make it out to be.
Anonymous 2022-11-27 (Sun) 02:30:47 No. 19421
>>19403 >>19407 QRD on Bill of Rights socialism?
Anonymous 2022-11-27 (Sun) 06:51:08 No. 19422
Why do people think V2 was the start of leftism in the Catholic Church? Did the Catholic Worker not exist?
Anonymous 2022-11-27 (Sun) 06:57:09 No. 19423
>>19392 Is that Paul Kengor’s new book?
Anonymous 2022-11-27 (Sun) 20:14:44 No. 19424
>>19423 From this interview it sounds terrible.
Also, Kengor looks like he pees sitting down.
Anonymous 2022-11-27 (Sun) 20:30:47 No. 19425
>>19408 Kengor claims Fulton Sheen spoke about an attempt by American communists to infiltrate the priesthood starting in the 1930s. Sheen apparently said this in 1952 just two weeks after giving Bella Dodd a conditional baptism and hearing her confession.
Anonymous 2022-11-27 (Sun) 21:00:13 No. 19427
>>19419 Eh, funny enough I've run across a couple rural Catholic Churches, granted I think that's generally because Catholics were more willing/successful at evangelizing to Native Americans than Prods were. I remember hearing some story back in Catholic School about a pair of Jesuits that tried evangelizing to some Mohawk tribe or another. They were tortured, but handled their torture with such grace and forgave their torturers that the warriors of the tribe were actually impressed and asked for conversions.
Part of the reason Catholics are so liberal in the U.S. is because we mostly came here as immigrant laborers such as the Irish. There's also the fact that for most of its history, the U.S. was
explicitly a racialized country, whereas Catholicism is ostensibly universalist so we had less historical hangups about intermingling between races (even Louisiana was comparatively more progressive on race than the rest of the Slave States) and as a consequence, the traditional defenders of conservatism in the KKK would try to kill us often.
Anonymous 2022-11-27 (Sun) 21:14:40 No. 19428
>>19427 Not sure I agree with this. European Catholics were incredibly segregated by ethnicity. In Boston it was considered weird for an Irish Catholic to marry an Italian or Quebecois Catholic up until the 80s.
Anonymous 2022-11-27 (Sun) 22:09:37 No. 19429
>>19427 This doesn’t explain why American Jews are super leftist (and liberal) given their religion/culture is anything but universalist.
I also agree with the other anon Catholics are extremely tribalist. Irish Catholicism is basically an ethno-religion (like Armenian Orthodoxy). Irish Protestants can never be “truly” Irish because they’re not Catholic but colonizers.
Anonymous 2022-11-27 (Sun) 23:42:36 No. 19430
>>19427 >Part of the reason Catholics are so liberal in the U.S. is because we mostly came here as immigrant laborers such as the Irish. There's also the fact that for most of its history, the U.S. was explicitly a racialized country, whereas Catholicism is ostensibly universalist so we had less historical hangups about intermingling between races (even Louisiana was comparatively more progressive on race than the rest of the Slave States) and as a consequence, the traditional defenders of conservatism in the KKK would try to kill us often. I'm not sure I'd reduce it to theology.
A much more logical explanation is that most Catholic European immigrants were migrating from countries that were still semi-feudal. Ireland was a British colony which wasn't allowed to develop. Italy and Poland were still feudal in the late 19th century. When you're oppressed by feudal elements, liberalism and modernity seem pretty sweet by comparison.
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 00:06:51 No. 19432
>>19424 24:28 – Why do so many anti-communists always insinuate female CPUSA members back in the day were sluts who had tons of abortions?
Where's the evidence apart from snitch memoirs like Witness?
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 01:14:00 No. 19433
>>19432 >Why do so many anti-communists always insinuate female CPUSA members back in the day were sluts who had tons of abortions? Unlike today, where it’s the men on the left who are stereotyped as sexually promiscuous.
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 04:23:11 No. 19434
>>19394 >To be fair the Soviets did a lot of shit the CIA never found out about. Could you name some of these? I'm curious.
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 04:40:10 No. 19435
>>19432 >Where's the evidence apart from snitch memoirs like Witness? The latter is the evidence.
You must be new to media and or the internet, it is contemporarily called a 'meme' as in, 'memetics'.
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 04:59:32 No. 19437
>>19436 Any sources on CIA being personally responsible for it?
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 05:01:32 No. 19438
>>19436 Meaning, if the CIA was actively attacking Liberation Theology, why would they not have exposed V2 as a communist plot to turn the church leftist?
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 05:12:08 No. 19439
>>19432 Imagine having children under capitalism. Abortion is a GOOD THING. Fuck them kids.
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 05:41:47 No. 19440
>>19439 Birth strike is so 1914, anon.
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 06:22:11 No. 19441
Question: if Vatican II really was a communist infiltration plot and the CIA knew about it, what could they have realistically done to stop it?
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 06:39:16 No. 19442
>>19435 Whittaker Chambers was proven to have been a psychopath IIRC.
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 19:13:16 No. 19443
>>19441 Probably take out the known commie clergy and replace them with anti-communist clergy.
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 19:42:49 No. 19444
>>19392 A better question would be why there’s no documents from the Soviets relating to a large-scale plot to infiltrate the Catholic Church when so many of their docs have been declassified since the USSR broke apart.
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 22:28:06 No. 19445
>>19414 Kengor literally claims Foster was a Malthusian in this book.
Maupin would go apeshit if he read it.
Anonymous 2022-11-28 (Mon) 23:30:32 No. 19446
Tradcaths are basically trying to convert Catholicism to the evangelical status quo
Anonymous 2022-11-29 (Tue) 00:55:21 No. 19447
>>19446 That, and many TradCaths are former Evangelicals (Taylor Marshall being the most notable).
Anonymous 2022-11-29 (Tue) 03:43:32 No. 19448
>>19424 At 39 minutes he talks about communists being excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Did this actually happen?
Anonymous 2022-11-29 (Tue) 16:35:49 No. 19449
>>19446 I'd argue TradCaths are much more like the Ron Paul/Mises Institute libertarians from the early 2010s in that they want to go back to a time when capitalism was based entirely on small-scale farmers and artisans. They basically want to scale back the clock 300 years or so, which is impossible.
Anonymous 2022-11-29 (Tue) 18:00:23 No. 19450
>>19441 The years of lead
>>19446 Or Calvinism
Anonymous 2022-11-29 (Tue) 19:09:17 No. 19451
>>19445 WZF said a lot of problematic shit so I’m not shocked at all by this.
Anonymous 2022-11-29 (Tue) 19:35:36 No. 19452
>>19432 There is literally nothing wrong with being a slut who has a ton of abortions.
Anonymous 2022-11-29 (Tue) 19:45:15 No. 19453
>>19449 To be fair, so do PatSocs who insist industrial capitalists are the “good capitalists” while financial capitalists are the “bad capitalists”.
Anonymous 2022-11-30 (Wed) 00:45:44 No. 19454
>>19450 >years of lead What?
Anonymous 2022-11-30 (Wed) 03:56:25 No. 19455
>>19392 The Vatican is such a tightly-controlled organization it would have been impossible to do anything.
Anonymous 2022-11-30 (Wed) 04:43:03 No. 19456
>>19454 an era of domestic terrorism that swept italy
Anonymous 2022-11-30 (Wed) 20:41:02 No. 19457
>>19455 Pretty much. Then again, this means it’s also insanely difficult for a large-scale infiltration to happen.
Anonymous 2022-12-01 (Thu) 16:34:22 No. 19458
>>19444 Didn't they find documents that revealed almost all RO priests were KGB-trained or some shit?
Anonymous 2022-12-01 (Thu) 23:11:38 No. 19462
Do red scare idiots actually believe this shit?
Anonymous 2022-12-02 (Fri) 00:42:47 No. 19463
>>19462 I want to ask Paul Kengor if he thinks Chris Smalls is "evil" for doing nearly exactly what William Z. Foster was doing in the 1910s (that being, going on an agitation spree).
Anonymous 2022-12-02 (Fri) 01:02:49 No. 19464
>>19445 >>19451 Fun fact: Dorothy Day was buddy-buddies with Margaret Sanger and was a huge supporter of Sanger's American Birth Control League before her conversion to Catholicism.
I wonder what Kengor thinks of that.
Anonymous 2022-12-02 (Fri) 16:33:22 No. 19465
>>19424 Kengor needs to debate Maupin or Haz.
Anonymous 2022-12-04 (Sun) 18:01:28 No. 19466
>>19422 >>19464 Was Dorothy Day actually an anarchist post-conversion or was she just a liberal?
Anonymous 2022-12-05 (Mon) 18:56:45 No. 19467
Sneedgor claims communist parties infiltrated the Dominicans, who later created Liberation Theology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QpF44jB2hM Anonymous 2022-12-05 (Mon) 19:05:43 No. 19468
>>19466 She converted as a teenager so who really cares what her positions where as a literal child?
She was of Anarchist leanings in her adult life.
Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 03:36:50 No. 19469
>>19466 I think her politics were watered down a lot after she became Catholic. I know she was very utopian and opposed to full-blown revolution.
Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 03:45:45 No. 19470
Why would the CIA want to prevent them from doing mass in a dead language.
Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 04:10:52 No. 19471
>>19470 The conspiracy theory is that communist parties around the world all plotted to infiltrate the Catholic Church on the basis the Church was the biggest obstacle to worldwide communist revolution. So, in the 1930s Stalin ordered all parties affiliated with the Comintern put infiltrators into Catholic seminaries. Those infiltrators would allegedly go on to become priests and bishops and cardinals with several of them being present at the Vatican II council. Those secret commie clergy were the ones who are said to have changed the liturgy and all that. Then, due to Vatican II, the Catholic Church all of a sudden began super liberalizing and secretly promoting Marxism.
In other words, it's basically a more autistic version of the Frankfurt School "cultural Marxism" bullshit.
Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 07:42:32 No. 19473
Since we word filter dis cord to FBI.gov, how about we filter strawpoll to CIA.gov? That way no one clicks it out of reflex / disregard.
Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 18:08:29 No. 19476
>>19468 She was an IWW member who wrote for socialist publications like The Call.
Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 18:39:21 No. 19477
>>19429 > Irish Protestants can never be “truly” Irish because they’re not Catholic but colonizers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Protestant_Irish_nationalists i mean catholic irish might believe that but it's just historically false cause there were a lot of protestant irish nationalists
Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 22:08:38 No. 19478
>>19472 (me)
To the person who answered "I would have done the same thing in her position" – why?
Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 22:38:04 No. 19479
>>19474 it's gaudy as fuck tho.
Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 23:08:02 No. 19480
>>19478 Not that person, but in their defence I would find it very hard to remain loyal to a party that wasn’t loyal to me. Like, I get that Bella Dodd was kicked out of CPUSA for Browderism and shit but I’d still be bitter if my former comrades cut me off and wrote a bunch of nasty stuff about me in the Daily Worker. Dunno if snitching would be justified though.
Anonymous 2022-12-06 (Tue) 23:27:45 No. 19481
>>19480 >I would find it very hard to remain loyal to a party that wasn’t loyal to me. Like, I get that Bella Dodd was kicked out of CPUSA for Browderism and shit but I’d still be bitter if my former comrades cut me off and wrote a bunch of nasty stuff about me in the Daily Worker. The thing is, we don't know the full story. Think about this logically: there's no way Dodd was rolling with the Party when all of a sudden they just purged her out of the blue. If I recall correctly, in her memoir she talked about how uneasy she was in the Party leadership after Browder was purged and the anti-revisionists took over the Party again. She said she got into several fights with Foster and also Black party leaders because she couldn't handle the new line.
Anonymous 2022-12-07 (Wed) 20:18:35 No. 19482
CIA doesn’t disclose what they’re investigating unless shit gets leaked.
Anonymous 2022-12-07 (Wed) 23:08:34 No. 19483
>>19481 >CPUSA >ever not revisionist Take that Mao head off your posts.
Anonymous 2022-12-07 (Wed) 23:53:15 No. 19484
>>19472 Hilarious how people are still mad at “McCarthyism” when 15% of CPUSA’s membership was informants and Foster was being watched by the FBI 24/7 for years.
Anonymous 2022-12-08 (Thu) 01:27:33 No. 19485
>>19480 There's no honour among thieves. In that world comrades cannibalize themselves. Dodd should have known that before she agreed to run with so-called "union thugs" for 14(?) years. She was well aware of what CPUSA's agenda and strategies were. She knew Foster was a hardcore labour militant. And most importantly, she knew how comrades would treat her if she turned her back on them, which she did. I don't have an ounce of sympathy for her. Fuck that rat.
>>19484 Protip: telling the feds something they "already know" is still snitching. A lot of times cops and feds will claim they "already know" something in order to get you to confirm it, aka snitch to them.
Anonymous 2022-12-08 (Thu) 20:22:06 No. 19486
>>19485 >that video Thanks for making me lose my appetite.
Anonymous 2022-12-09 (Fri) 18:41:26 No. 19487
>>19485 If there’s no honour among thieves then why do we ascribe honour to the “party line” or no-snitching code?
If it was wrong for Bella to go against the party line then why was it wrong for her to snitch? Or better yet, why was it wrong for Browder to do what he did?
You’re implying there are no rules yet the party line is somehow the rule above all rules. Don’t you see how contradictory that is?
Anonymous 2022-12-11 (Sun) 16:43:41 No. 19489
>>19488 You don't need to have faith, the picture is touching enough to have a secular value
Anonymous 2022-12-11 (Sun) 17:31:33 No. 19491
>>19488 wait, they're all saints?
Anonymous 2022-12-11 (Sun) 17:59:25 No. 19492
>>19491 i think its supposed to be an anachronistic depiction of Joseph, Mary, and Jesus
Anonymous 2022-12-11 (Sun) 18:04:17 No. 19493
>>19487 Bella Dodd, Whittaker Chambers, and the rest of them signed up for that life. Communist Party membership is never forced. You choose to enter that world and know full well what it comes with.
Am I really supposed to believe Dodd ran with CPUSA's labour division for over ten years and was completely unaware Foster was a hardcore syndicalist? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Foster was a deranged fanatic but still. Dodd knew what his agenda was. She knew what the Party's agenda was. Being a high-ranking member she had all the information that the rank-in-file didn't.
Oh boy, you can't be serious can you? Browder sold the Party out and it was perfectly right to purge his ass. A communist party needs to abide by the principles of communism (in this case, Marxism-Leninism). If the head of the party isn't going to do that then yes throwing him to the wolves is objectively a good thing.
It's not about "right or wrong", it's about what furthers the struggle of the working class. Problematic party leaders who won't follow those principles need purging.
Anonymous 2022-12-11 (Sun) 18:05:13 No. 19494
>>19492 idk man it seems like holiness inflation
Anonymous 2022-12-11 (Sun) 19:00:21 No. 19495
>>19392 Because, unlike what Caleb Muppet tells you, the CIA isn’t some all-seeing, all-knowing puppeteer that secretly controls everything. They have more fuck-ups than successes. Chances are, they might have known V2 was turning the Church soft on communism yet they couldn’t do shit about it.
Anonymous 2022-12-11 (Sun) 19:04:14 No. 19496
>>19494 Day has a real case for canonization though.
Anonymous 2022-12-11 (Sun) 19:53:12 No. 19498
>>19485 Protip: if you eat cows, sheep, goats, pigs, chicken, ducks, turkeys, fish and sometimes deer and rabbits you have no right to judge people who eat rats, bats, dogs, cats, grasshoppers, animal intestines, bull balls and animal hearts.
Anonymous 2022-12-11 (Sun) 20:22:20 No. 19500
>>19424 Nothing wrong with sitting down when you pee
Anonymous 2022-12-11 (Sun) 20:40:35 No. 19501
>>19500 If you have a dick it’s kind of weird.
Anonymous 2022-12-12 (Mon) 00:38:54 No. 19502
>>19485 Chilli, garlic, and lime is an S-tier combo. You could put that stuff on anything and it would taste divine.
Anonymous 2022-12-12 (Mon) 07:01:20 No. 19504
>>19392 If this is true, it’s the most based thing CPUSA ever did.
Anonymous 2022-12-12 (Mon) 19:48:16 No. 19505
>>19495 Not to mention, the greatest psy-op is instilling in people’s minds that every progressive change to the culture or political uprising is a ruling class psy-op.
Maupin wants everyone to believe every single leftist movement except for the ones he approves of were puppets of intelligence agencies. That’s cult brainwashing shit.
Anonymous 2022-12-12 (Mon) 19:58:40 No. 19506
>>19505 >every progressive change to the culture It’s obvious to me that Maupin (and Haz, and Stinkle) are desperately trying to imitate the GOP’s obsession with outrage, whether it’s vaccine mandates, transgender kids, “abortion up until the moment of birth”, etc. The thing is, this strategy may work very well for an anti-intellectual crowd like right-wing Americans, but there’s no way it could ever work for a Marxist. Marxism is a science which provides people with a scientific explanation for economic, political, and social phenomena. Short-term outrage can’t sustain something which is supposed to be scientific and vice-versa. Maupin and his ilk are playing themselves by this.
Anonymous 2022-12-12 (Mon) 20:35:17 No. 19507
>>19493 >Bella Dodd, Whittaker Chambers, and the rest of them signed up for that life. Communist Party membership is never forced. You choose to enter that world and know full well what it comes with. It works both ways. Don’t sign up for the Communist Party and expect to not get snitched on or eventually repressed. Being told on, going to jail, being blacklisted, etc is just as much a part of “that world” as union organizing and purging revisionists.
And Foster was definitely a fanatic. You can’t really deny he got a certain thrill from agitating. He would go on months long agitation sprees, get beaten up by company goons and go right back to agitating like nothing happened. I’m not saying he and CPUSA deserved to be taken down but he wasn’t some innocent angel like all the Stalinist hagiographers claim.
Anonymous 2022-12-13 (Tue) 00:20:07 No. 19508
>>19507 >It works both ways. Don’t sign up for the Communist Party and expect to not get snitched on or eventually repressed. Being told on, going to jail, being blacklisted, etc is just as much a part of “that world” as union organizing and purging revisionists. Except facing repression from the state is unavoidable. Snitching on your ex-comrades is a choice and a deplorable one at that.
Product of his environment. Some people just take their grievances down a more extreme path than others.
Anonymous 2022-12-13 (Tue) 03:00:34 No. 19509
>>19507 >You can’t really deny he got a certain thrill from agitating. This is literally everyone in the labor movement lol.
Anonymous 2022-12-13 (Tue) 17:56:46 No. 19510
>>19506 Populism always has an "outrage" element to it though.
Anonymous 2022-12-13 (Tue) 18:31:29 No. 19512
>>19495 CIA created European Union
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2020/11/13/how-the-cia-created-the-eu/ Used Vatican bank as their own personal bank for decades to fund coups and Gladio
Created the strategy of tension in Europe. Supported the 1965 anticommunist genocide in Indonesia that wiped out one of the largest Communist parties in the world and printed Indonesia as a vassal state of US..
Turned Afghanistan into a jihadi hellhole by dropping jihadi books everywhere during the Soviet-afghan war ensuring they would have a new threat when communism disappeared to shill to their retarded population
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/03/23/from-us-the-abcs-of-jihad/d079075a-3ed3-4030-9a96-0d48f6355e54/ CIA is a ridiculously successful organisation and your allusion to their 'fuck ups' is only sliver of the surface where they've been ridiculously arrogant and audacious
I would go so far as to say if everyone in CIA was executed in 1945 the entirety of Europe and south America would be red already
Anonymous 2022-12-13 (Tue) 18:42:37 No. 19513
>>19512 … During Tiannenmen square when loads of liberal faggot protestors waving models of the Statue of Liberty overthrew the party the CIA had Zhao Ziyang and a bunch others in the party ready to overthrow socialism
https://leohezhao.medium.com/notes-for-30th-anniversary-of-tiananmen-incident-f098ef6efbc2 During the 1990s the CIA practically ran the Russian government as the people of that country were raped to death. The NSA even cracked codes for CIA agent Yeltsin where he should've been overthrown in a military coup were it not for the CIA assets crawling all over Moscow in 1990s
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/us-agents-helped-yeltsin-break-coup-1436470.html https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/03/29/the-rape-of-russia-the-cias-yeltsin-coup-detat/ People who claim the CIA is not a ridiculously successful org are either glowies or retards
Anonymous 2022-12-13 (Tue) 20:23:32 No. 19514
>>19512 The CIA isn’t an all-seeing god. That’s my point. No one is denying they’ve been successful in overthrowing governments. But even then, the CIA doesn’t start fires, rather they pour kerosene on fires that have already started and direct those fires the way they want. It’s foolish to think every single geopolitical phenomenon was started ex nihilo by the CIA.
Anonymous 2022-12-13 (Tue) 22:28:34 No. 19515
>>19512 >>19513 >failed to kill Castro over 300 times Comrade, please….
Anonymous 2022-12-14 (Wed) 22:42:14 No. 19516
Why would the CIA care about the Church changing its liturgy or whatever?
Anonymous 2022-12-17 (Sat) 19:13:22 No. 19519
Bella Dodd was a fed asset, so it’s likely she made up the conspiracy in order to divert the fact that the CIA did, in fact, infiltrate the Vatican and we have proof of this.
Anonymous 2022-12-17 (Sat) 21:50:14 No. 19520
>>19392 If tradcaths hate Vatican 2 so much they should realize how much of it was founded on Vatican 1. Papal infallibility was a mistake, my uygha Ockham and the Conciliarists did nothing wrong.
Anonymous 2022-12-17 (Sat) 23:09:21 No. 19521
>>19520 Correct. It’s foolish to think V2 was some radical change to Catholic doctrine. It was just re-confirming what their doctrine already was.
Anonymous 2022-12-18 (Sun) 00:41:21 No. 19522
>>19519 >the CIA did, in fact, infiltrate the Vatican and we have proof of this. Could you show the proof?
Anonymous 2022-12-19 (Mon) 05:54:09 No. 19524
>>19506 At this point, the only thing keeping the GOP alive is outrage and conspiracy theories. That 1950s white Protestant "middle American" family-centered culture that American social conservatives idolize so much is never coming back, not just because capitalism's slow crash can't sustain it, but because it's just not wanted anymore. American millennials and zoomers (especially) are much more socially progressive in terms of support for abortion rights, LGBTQ rights, etc. So, the only thing the right-wing can do is turn to conspiracy theories in order to discredit said social progressivism.
Which is exactly why "leftists" like Maupin and groups like PAAU
>>19523 (me) are welcomed by the far-right with open arms: their entire shtick is spreading conspiracy theories about how the American left "used" to be socially conservative/anti-abortion/anti-sex and only became pro-abortion/pro-sex due to infiltration by top-down nefarious forces.
When we warn about these people it's not just because we disagree with them, but because we understand how their entire function serves crypto-fascism whether they know it or not.
Anonymous 2022-12-21 (Wed) 16:18:38 No. 19527
>>19436 Same in my country (Netherlands), the protestants are staunchly right-wing, and the Catholics are on the left
Anonymous 2022-12-21 (Wed) 16:51:23 No. 19528
>>19526 Proof this anti-woke stuff is a glowop.
Anonymous 2022-12-21 (Wed) 18:31:20 No. 19529
>>19526 >>19528 It says a lot that their proposed solution to the evils of capitalism is “MOAR HIERARCHY” rather than more equalization of power.
Anonymous 2022-12-21 (Wed) 18:39:22 No. 19530
>>19525 He will be in a local corporate megachurch soon enough.
Anonymous 2022-12-21 (Wed) 18:50:36 No. 19531
>>19530 Nah he’s a Catholic priest and Catholics don’t do that. My guess is he’s going to keep pushing conspiracies about the “deep church” or whatever. Pavone is like the Catholic version of Maupin.
Anonymous 2022-12-21 (Wed) 19:05:20 No. 19533
>>19392 The Vatican holds records of all major crimes committed by its ranks from priests molesting young boys to the highest levels of political corruption, then they seal away these records for entire decades until nobody remembers enough to care. Accessing the records is forbidden unless you have extreme clearance (a few people.)
Its entirely possible that they colluded with Communists and we may find out later. The Vatican has already been infiltrated by other religious groups in the past and the city has a history of covering up crimes. In my opinion the CIA has a greater chance of influencing what goes on at the Vatican than whatever left wing movements you're talking about.
Anonymous 2022-12-21 (Wed) 19:12:35 No. 19534
>>19533 Why would they have colluded with communists though?
Anonymous 2022-12-21 (Wed) 19:50:53 No. 19535
>>19534 I don't think they did i'm just suggesting its a possibility. Lets say in a hypothetical scenario there was a Communist conspiracy in the Vatican, it would be to subvert Christians into aiding a Communist agenda which has happened before (Fascist Italy).
Anonymous 2022-12-21 (Wed) 21:58:32 No. 19536
>>19533 What’s the evidence of the CIA infiltrating the Vatican or that the CIA created V2 ( which as others have said on here, wasn’t even a change in Catholic doctrine)?
Anonymous 2022-12-22 (Thu) 06:38:19 No. 19537
>>19536 The Pope is currently working with the WEF to make Christianity focus on climate change and environmentalist jargon. They are writing a new 10 commandments.
This is enough proof that the Vatican is colluding because their agenda is aligned with Neo-Liberalist ideas. Even though they view religious organizations as low priority.
Anonymous 2022-12-22 (Thu) 07:08:39 No. 19538
>>19537 That's not evidence they were infiltrated by the CIA.
Anonymous 2022-12-22 (Thu) 07:17:26 No. 19539
>>19538 Its the same agenda
Anonymous 2022-12-22 (Thu) 07:19:54 No. 19540
>>19537 The Vatican is a global organization. Thus,many of those who pay respects to the Mother of All Churchers resides in multiple places around the world, not just in Europe.
Some of these places include climate-vulnerable areas such as South and South East Asia, Africa, and other such places, that in recent years have suffered devastating floodings and crop failures caused by chaotic climate patterns.
For Europeans and Americans, the effects of climate change are not yet visible due to the presence of sophisticated disaster-preventing technologies and infrastructures guarding your nations 24/7. But for these people in the Third World(who, by all index are the most pious and fertile parts of the Catholic congregation), the impact of climate change is nothing short of catasthrophic. Thus the Vatican adressing climate change is not because of WEF or CIA infiltration (although financial capital and America 100% twisted these disasters for their benefits) but simply adressing the concerns of their flock living outside of Europe
Anonymous 2022-12-22 (Thu) 07:21:34 No. 19541
>>19540 And it must be reiterated that acknowledging climate change does not mean you have to embrace the capital-propped "solutions" to it (like austerity measures) anymore than acknowledging the crack epidemic means embracing big pharma's "solution" for it
Anonymous 2022-12-22 (Thu) 07:25:42 No. 19543
>>19541 Good i'm glad we can agree on that
Anonymous 2022-12-22 (Thu) 07:30:11 No. 19544
>>19540 >Some of these places include climate-vulnerable areas such as South and South East Asia, Africa, and other such places, that in recent years have suffered devastating floodings and crop failures caused by chaotic climate patterns. Exactly this.
This also explains the leftward shift of the Catholic Church in recent years: most of the practicing Catholics in the world live outside the West. Brazil and Nigeria are the world's most Catholic countries now. Congo and Philippines are up there.
It's foolish to claim the Vatican was "infiltrated" when its shift to the left can easily be explained by material factors.
Anonymous 2022-12-23 (Fri) 18:56:30 No. 19546
>>19545 I love how Sneedgor folds on the important questions.
Anonymous 2022-12-24 (Sat) 19:44:04 No. 19547
>>19545 How is this guy even a tenured professor? Morality bureau? More Americans are bourgeois than proletariat? Marx wanted to destroy everything just because he was evil? Someone actually debate this guy please.
Anonymous 2022-12-27 (Tue) 21:56:51 No. 19548
>>19540 Goff answer, and it pisses me the fuck off that so many “comrades” are taking up right-wing (fascist) talking points about concern for global warming and “wokeness” being a conspiracy by elites or whatever.
The truth is, evidence for climate change is pretty fucking obvious now and the exploited world is going to suffer from it the worst. It’s not “Malthusianism”.
Anonymous 2023-01-03 (Tue) 05:58:30 No. 19550
>>19484 To what extent did the leadership know there were rats in the Party though?
Anonymous 2023-01-03 (Tue) 18:40:31 No. 19551
>>19547 >How is this guy even a tenured professor? University upper staff, probably nepotism.
Anonymous 2023-01-03 (Tue) 19:34:18 No. 19552
>>19550 They’d literally joke about how the informers were the only ones who paid their dues.
Anonymous 2023-01-03 (Tue) 19:36:42 No. 19553
>>19485 There’s a reason why they’re using chicken seasoning for the rats…
Anonymous 2023-01-03 (Tue) 22:27:57 No. 19555
>>19554 At least they got CPUSA’s logo right.
Anonymous 2023-01-04 (Wed) 14:16:31 No. 19556
>>19392 >Honest question: if the Vatican II council was truly a product of communist infiltration (as tradcaths love to claim) correction: as the CIA by USA orders, love to claim
<CIA: ‘BE A PATRIOT, KILL A PRIEST’ >On 5 March 1971, Nixon assembled his closest advisors to the Oval Office. They were talking about Latin America. Nixon pointed out that the singlemost important event in the past ten years was the ‘deterioration of theattitude of the Catholic Church’. ‘[T]hey’re about one-third Marxists, and theother third are in the center, and the other third are Catholics >… >Bolivian intelligence, joined bythe CIA and by the intelligence services of ten other Latin Americancountries, began to compile dossiers on liberation theologists, <to plant Communist literature in the churches to shut down any progressive Church publication >and to arrest and expel foreign priests and nuns who believed in liberation theology. >… >In El Salvador, where priests and nuns took up residence in the slums, the fascistic religious paramilitaries circulated a simple call – haz patria, mata un cura (‘be a patriot, kill a priest’). Rutilio Grande, a Jesuit priest, was murdered by the Salvadoransecurity forces in 1977 in a spate of murders which would culminate in the killing by a far-right death squad of the Archbishop of San Salvador OscarRomero in March 1980 Revisionism from both extremes of the ideological spectrum. Same trite left-right, red-blue, black-white, 0-1, dualistic mentality to drive a tribalistic sports team cheer.
Jesus was not a communist revolutionary, communism was created as a mockery of christianity by anti-christians, by stealing the charity elements from it while removing God from it, communism is a materialistic bad copy of christianity, not the other way around.
And neither is christianity a tool for some oligarch to hide their corruption from being exposed to truth and being judged according to eartly human laws of common peaceful life inside a community.
The church of christ is not the playground for your economic and ideological proxy wars, neither for a godless imperialistic entity like USA or the UK before it, neither for a godless materialistic ideology.
Anonymous 2023-01-05 (Thu) 07:10:50 No. 19557
>>19546 >>19547 >>19551 Get Eddie from Midwestern Marx to have Kengor on his stream and have him debate either Noah or Carlos.
Anonymous 2023-01-06 (Fri) 07:52:30 No. 19558
>>19392 >fulton sheen What the hell was his problem?
Anonymous 2023-01-06 (Fri) 15:47:14 No. 19559
>>19436 It wasn't the CIA. It was the Catholic Church under John Paul II doing a witch hunt on itself. This destroyed many rural/slum parishes and Protest burgers just came in to fill the vacuum.
What a retarded way to look at things.
Anonymous 2023-01-06 (Fri) 17:44:55 No. 19560
>>19485 That honestly looks good as fuck, but all the little bones would probably be too annoying.
Anonymous 2023-01-06 (Fri) 19:05:50 No. 19561
>>19559 This pretty much. JP2 was an asshat.
Anonymous 2023-01-06 (Fri) 23:49:41 No. 19562
>>19487 >If it was wrong for Bella to go against the party line then why was it wrong for her to snitch? It’s the same reason gang members don’t snitch out rival gang members to the cops. You don’t want to bring state repression into the picture.
Anonymous 2023-01-09 (Mon) 19:36:51 No. 19566
>>19564 Kek imagine selling out your homie for an Italian beef sandwich and a fucking pop.
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 01:01:30 No. 19567
Could someone Email Paul Kengor and ask him these questions? Or better yet, show him this thread?
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 07:57:27 No. 19572
>>19571 https://www.archspm.org/respect-life-mass/ "Archbishop Hebda will celebrate Mass and present the awards. Come help us celebrate their pro-life accomplishments in our local communities and support the work they do. All are invited! The Minnesota Citizens Concerned for Life Rally follows at 2:00 p.m. at the State Capitol. Please visit
https://www.mccl.org/march for additional details"
https://www.cathedralsaintpaul.org/sites/default/files/files/20230115B.pdf "Saturday, January 22 nd, 2022 will start with a prayer service at the St. Paul Cathedral beginning at 10:30 am – 11:30 am. Signs will be available to pick up as you leave the prayer service. This will be followed by the MCCL, MN Citizens Concerned for Life March for Life at noon on the State Capitol grounds. There will then be a brief program at 12:30 pm. MCCL will introduce pro-life lawmakers and officials".
https://mnknights.org/program/marches-for-life/ Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 08:08:27 No. 19574
"We will be starting at 3:30PM at the intersection of Grand Avenue and Bertrand and spreading west, single file, along both sides of the street, as far as our numbers will allow. Signs will be provided for your use. It is important that you and your family, especially small children, stand or kneel far back from the traffic."
https://smac.edu/en/news-events/calendar/acies-pro-life-rosary-79321 https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=39.19046&mlon=-96.06048#map=19/39.19046/-96.06048 City=St. Mary's
State=Kansas
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 08:16:02 No. 19576
>>19575 University=Fransican University
When you hear Catholics mention Steubenville Conference, these are the kinds of things they do.
https://franciscan.edu/events/plenary-indulgence-dedication-of-the-tomb-of-the-unborn/ Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 08:23:54 No. 19577
>>19576 "On Monday we honor the life of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and his fight against the sin of racism, and on Saturday, we pray for
the legal protection of unborn children".
https://discovermass.com/church/most-blessed-sacrament-detroit-mi/#bulletins Image originates from:
http://cathedral.mhsoftware.com/ViewCal.html?dropdown=1&calendar_id=2 Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 08:40:42 No. 19580
>>19579 https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=35.47249&mlon=-97.51797#map=19/35.47249/-97.51797 "The day will begin with Mass at 8:30 a.m. at St. Joseph Old Cathedral in Oklahoma City"
Departure=8:30+1HR Mass + unknownBufferTime;
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 08:50:08 No. 19581
I have been excatholic for 3 to 5 years. I am in my 20's.
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 08:57:03 No. 19582
>>19581 My protest strategy:
Remain 10 seconds biking distance from cops despite following all laws.
Remain 7 seconds from reactionaries.
The ability to retreat into your own home is valuable. The further you go, the worse it is.
Things to carry:
1. Hunting camera because zoom. Ideally FLIR and Gen4 NVG but 5K USD.
2. IFAK
3. Something with pro-choice messaging
4. Camera stabilizer because shock
5. OD4 445 to 535 nm that look like "weirdo hippie glasses"
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 09:10:58 No. 19583
>>19582 Don't be a wierdo about it you're going to have to be friendly with some of these weirdos at the next antiwar rally since you'll be on the same side
Just hold up a sign saying something like pay better wages parents can't afford to feed their kids and eat themselves
Wear red
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 09:21:03 No. 19584
>>19582 "Monthly prayer vigil at Planned Parenthood: Join us at 9:00 am on the 2nd Saturday of each month at the Planned Parenthood clinic at 38th and Pontiac. We pray the Rosary and Divine Mercy chaplet for an end to abortion…"
https://motherofgoddenver.com/ministries/respect-life/ https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=39.77042&mlon=-104.90470#map=18/39.77042/-104.90470 Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 09:39:29 No. 19585
>>19584 http://www.thebostonpilot.com/article.php?ID=193971 "Between 200 and 250 people from the Archdiocese of Boston are expected to attend the national March for Life, with the majority registering through the Catholic Schools Office. All Catholic school students from grades six through 12 were invited."
"The pilgrims will then attend the March for Life, which begins with a rally on the National Mall."
"The March for Life has traditionally followed a route ending at the Supreme Court as a sign of opposition to the Roe decision. Since it has been overturned, … the march will instead end in front of the U.S. Capitol, "a new front in our battle for life," the March for Life website reported."
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 10:10:05 No. 19587
>>19585 https://www.usccb.org/resources/respect-life-month-action-guide.pdf "Feature a different Respect Life topic in each week’s bulletin. "
"Each year, homily helps are provided to help priests and deacons preach … Other ministry leaders can also use these notes during Bible studies, small groups, ministry gatherings, or other faith formation settings."
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"All are welcome on January 22 in front of Planned Parenthood to join in a peaceful public witness and prayer for the end to abortion. There will be … speakers and pro-life updates."
https://catholiccourier.com/event/public-witness-and-prayer-to-end-abortion/ Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 10:11:32 No. 19588
>>19392 >Honest question: if the Vatican II council was truly a product of communist infiltration (as tradcaths love to claim) how the FUCK did it fly under the radar of the CIA? A nearly 200 reply thread was posted, and stayed active and up because of a question with an extremely easy answer
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 10:38:37 No. 19589
>>19585 https://wnycatholic.org/2023/01/03/diocese-of-buffalo-will-participate-in-march-for-life/ "A rally will begin at noon at the Mall and Seventh Street, followed by the march along Constitution Avenue to the Capitol and the Supreme Court".
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https://rcdop.org/news/diocese-readies-for-50th-march-for-life-amid-shift-in-focus "The national march this year had, as its original end point, the East Front of the Capitol, reflecting its new focus on legislation and a nationwide abortion ban. Jeanne Mancini, president of the March for Life Education and Defense Fund, has expressed her support for a ban after 15 weeks of gestation."
TLDR: Ending abortion in blue states.
"Instead, there’s the impossibility of prohibiting, in a march with up to 100,000 participants, flags, banners, and the tripods used by livestreamers. Flagpoles and tripods were used as weapons during the Jan. 6 violence. U.S. Capitol Police have banned them on the Capitol grounds."
TLDR: No poles thus new route.
"Last year the march was delayed for an hour when a group of white supremacists calling themselves Patriot Front attempted to lead it. Police removed the group without incident."
————
https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/12/28/despite-roe-v-wades-demise-march-for-life-president-calls-for-americans-to-fearlessly-continue-marching/ "In response to the cancellation, the Sisters of Life and the Knights of Columbus announced in December that they will be hosting a new morning rally on the day of the March for Life at the Entertainment & SportsArena in Washington D.C. Life Fest …"
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Catholic terms
Eucharistic procession == Lots of people marching with maximum catholic bling.
Fr. == Father/Preist
Sr. == Sister
_ __
Eucharist == "The same Jesus that was on the cross is here with us".
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https://www.lifefest2023.com/faqs "Due to the added security of the venue, including bag checks, it will take longer for all to enter into the venue. Therefore doors will now be open at 6:30am!"
Explanations
External fears: "The wild an-tif-U are coming"
Internal fears: "Our numbers are armed. It looks bad."
'Merica: All Americans sleep with a gun and bring guns to events.
Dam kids: Kids carry vapes, julu, condoms, and sin.
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 10:53:05 No. 19590
>>19589 "Schedule
Wednesday, Jan. 18, 2023
March for Life Expo (Renaissance D.C. Downtown Hotel)
6:00 p.m. – 8:00 p.m.
Thursday, Jan. 19, 2023 (Renaissance D.C. Downtown Hotel)
March for Life Expo
9:00 a.m. – 8:00 p.m.
Friday, Jan. 20, 2023 (National Mall)
Pre-Rally Concert : 11:00 a.m. – 12:00 p.m.
March for Life Rally: 12:00 p.m. – 1:00 p.m.
March for Life: 1:00 p.m. – 4:00 p.m."
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 11:16:58 No. 19592
Technology infrastructure you should build:
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 11:29:10 No. 19593
>>19583 "Wierdo" was said in a cute-sy fun way.
The goal is to always pick the most wholesome expression for the inevitable live streamers.
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 11:29:44 No. 19594
>>19593 When you look wholesome, it is harder to be viewed as a good target.
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 11:47:08 No. 19595
>>19594 Matt Frad
https://www.youtube.com/@PintsWithAquinas/videos Matt Frad in 2016 could be viewed as default Catholicism with Charismatic speaker characteristics.
Charismatic Speaker: Don't sound like a calm businessman when doing a Homily/Talk. Sound like a hype man who changes volume,
intonation, hand gestures that look amazing. This is a speaker optimized for a complete lack of attention span in modern humanity.
He now smokes cigars with Michael Knowles.
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Dr. Scott Hahn
Franciscan University is the key runner of Steubenville Conference. Image 3 demonstrates that this conference is everywhere in America.
Franciscan University prominently features Dr. Scott Hahn.
Dr. Scott Hahn is the kind of man who discusses "How to Combat the Woke Culture"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pxFUuHpJSE (Image 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pxFUuHpJSE Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 11:49:26 No. 19596
>>19595 Late night schizo-posting has not concluded. My bad.
Note: I learned about the "Don't bump thread" button just now.
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 12:04:25 No. 19598
>>19597 I realized the "Do not bump thread" button marks something as Sage. My bad.
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Earlier we talked about Dr. Scott Hahn and "Woke culture".
EWTN brings this guy on as well.
The Catholic landscape is more rightwing that you might expect.
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 12:33:26 No. 19599
>>19598 Robert Evans wrote a book called After the Revolution. He discussed the actions of a right-wing group that was running an ISIS of the Charismatic Variety.
Here is what I expect a Catholic Terrorist movement would look like in 2030 elections:
1. Vegas is modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. Be glad son of Joan, for you did not let a single pedocrat bus drive through the town without ensuring that the roof of a bus goes flying.
2. We should embrace the moral hand of God on Earth and run a government as we see fit. We are the ones who see clearly. Something about duty. Something about Crusaders.
3. More open rhetoric about "defeating feminism".
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Defeating vs eating the Government:
The best-case scenario for Roman Catholics is not we will defeat "the great Satan" to "build the Kingdom of God". That takes effort from noobs who build rival factions. The government that emerges in that scenario will have to contend with a population that hates their guts. The better scenario will look like eating the government to obey the "moral leadership" of God.
What does that look like:
1. Contest every election every year for the rest of time.
2. Control the education of everybody.
3. Banning abortion and aborticants. Then classify the Birth Control Pill as an aborticant. Make every Hospital a Catholic Hospital and buy out the rest.
4. Enable [PRISM, XKEYSCORE, Talored Access Operations, BULLRUN, and OPTICNERVE (GCHQ) ] on anything that is Left leaning and law obeying.
Non-law policy
[Redacted hospitals] policy on Vasectomy's as of 2021 or so:
[Be 30] else [be late 20s in relationship] else [have like 3 kids for special exception].
I was blocked from getting a Vasectomy at [Redacted Hospital] so I went to Planned Parenthood. I can't say which else I reveal where I live.
I bring up that story for a reason. They don't need legally binding laws on the federal level that freaks everyone out. They can administer patchwork per company policy that forms a hard to break web.
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 20:13:31 No. 19601
>>19588 So what’s the answer?
Anonymous 2023-01-14 (Sat) 22:41:41 No. 19602
>>19598 EWTN is pretty cucked as far as right-wing Catholic media goes.
Anonymous 2023-01-15 (Sun) 04:33:12 No. 19603
>>19599 Dress codes
I was with a Catholic Group that went swimming.
The men were told you must wear shirts unless you are in the water.
Woman must have both a 1-piece swimsuit plus something else near the waist.
This Catholic group was against shorts that go above the knee and below the 45% between waist and knee. These are not flirtatious shorts. They are a part of a dress code organized by an external company.
Catholics will come for your Yoga Pants, your Swimsuits, and your tank tops.
Anonymous 2023-01-15 (Sun) 08:02:13 No. 19604
>>19602 They're pretty straightforward Vatican II but they give a lot of airtime to Trads.
Anonymous 2023-01-15 (Sun) 08:19:25 No. 19606
In that theory of history, the CIA likes communism, or rather, they see communism as a lie and the real program is some hybrid of fascism, capitalism, communism, and Satanism. On one hand, that is basically what is happening today, because the rulers of the world are not beholden to any ideology or particular way of doing things. On the other, the entire construction of this history is intended to suggest that there was a golden age where men were pure and would never ever do such a thing, and the Church was never ever corrupted. The things in Vatican II were things that had a long history in Catholicism and Christianity generally. American Protestants saw it as the filthy papists masking off, and there was a cope about how the Church was going woke and not saying the things they said before.
Anonymous 2023-01-15 (Sun) 19:22:20 No. 19607
>>19606 The right is only anti-CIA because they aren’t the ones currently in control of the CIA. They never held these sentiments during the Bush II years.
Anonymous 2023-01-15 (Sun) 20:10:17 No. 19608
>>19606 > So far as normies hold on to Christianity, it is because they are fearful of the rise of eugenics, for all the reasons. No one can be allowed to genuinely oppose eugenics, and that's the origin of this assault, and the culture war of the neoliberal period. Amazing how middle-class whites only freak out over “eugenics” when it’s their standard of living that’s dropping, when Black and indigenous folks (not to mention the disabled) have had eugenics done to us for over 100 years and white, neurotypical folks didn’t care.
Anonymous 2023-01-16 (Mon) 23:27:18 No. 19609
>>19607 CIA has always been very liberal. Rightoids love the FBI. I recall a lot of the right being paranoid and blaming the CIA for things that were explicitly Bush's policy (not that there's really a difference). But by that point, the hard right would not have been satisfied with anything less than a fascist takeover, which is what Trump was suggesting must happen.
It's really silly because there isn't much these people really get to fight for. They just choose which ideology they supplicate to while the actual masters of the world do as they please. It's all cuckoldry.
Anonymous 2023-01-16 (Mon) 23:30:05 No. 19610
>>19608 Middle-class whites believed they were on the winning team, until they realized they weren't. Even then, there were members of the bourgeois set who saw what would happening, tried to fight at least for themselves. They lost, and those who marched and cheered for eugenics won. The people who lost when Reagan took over never forgot, but they were muzzled and not allowed to seriously contest what Reagan did, which was always eugenics at the core. Then some of those people got the word that eugenics was now multi-racial and they built up the "white shame" narrative. It's eugenics through and through, but you can't call it what it is and they tell you to blame something else, whether it's a race or ideology.
Anonymous 2023-01-17 (Tue) 01:56:40 No. 19611
>>19610 What do you mean by "eugenics"?
Anonymous 2023-01-19 (Thu) 10:35:18 No. 19615
>>19614 As in responsible for this march or more.
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https://marchforlife.org/national-march-for-life/ The map for DC
Anonymous 2023-01-19 (Thu) 10:36:15 No. 19616
>>19615 List of organizations that are complicit or agree with the goals of ending choice:
2023 EXHIBITORS
Abiding Love Charities
Abortion Survivors Network
Alliance Defending Freedom
American Life League
And Then There Were None
Care Net
Christian Broadcasting Network
Christendom College
Christians Engaged
Cindy Brunk
CitizenGo
Concerned Women for America
Consistent Life Network
Crusade for Life
Embrace Grace
Equal Rights Institute
EWTN
Focus on the Family
Ghirelli Rosary
Girl Scouts, Why Not?
GiveSendGo
Hallow App
Heart of a Child Ministries
Heritage House ’76
Human Life Alliance
Human Life International
Life Runners
Lutheran Church Missouri Synod
Mission Rosary
Priests for Life
Pro-Love Ministries
Proud Catholic Company
Rosary of the Unborn
Save the 1
Seven Weeks Coffee
Sidewalk Advocates for Life
Solidarity Healthshare
Stanton International
Students for Life of America
Teachers Saving Children
Texas Values
The Guiding Star Project
The Heritage Foundation
The Knights of Columbus
The Radiance Foundation
Thomas More Society
University of Mary
https://marchforlife.org/expo/ Anonymous 2023-01-19 (Thu) 10:39:07 No. 19617
>>19616 Let's talk about propaganda.
Beer beach; beach beer. The mind is an association machine. Propogandists know this.
Lila Rose is attempting to associate LGBT with Child Abuse
Anonymous 2023-01-19 (Thu) 10:48:38 No. 19618
>>19617 https://twitter.com/usccbprolife USCCB has a Twitter against choice.
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This UI enables auto-sending of messages to your local politicians.
https://www.votervoice.net/USCCB/Directory ?
Anonymous 2023-01-19 (Thu) 10:49:04 No. 19619
This particular location was chosen as it was Bishob Barrons current Diocese.
Anonymous 2023-01-19 (Thu) 11:50:32 No. 19621
>>19620 Location: USA, MN, Rochester
Diocese: Diocese of Winnona [Bishop Robert Barron presides over this Diocese]
Church: Pax Christi
"January 22 is the date of the Roe vs. Wade decision… that legalized abortion… Here in Minnesota, both houses of the Legislature and the Governor’s office are controlled by Democrats… Bishop Barron asks us to make our voices heard at this critical time. We invite you to take a card to send to our state representatives and senators… A short online search will tell you who your legislators are…"
https://www.parishesonline.com/publication-page/pax-christi-church?selectedPublication=https://container.parishesonline.com/bulletins/02/0112/20230122B.pdf Let's describe the influence and reach of this message with math.
Here are the sections of a church: Left side of church. 1; Left middle side of church 2, Left Main Isile 3.
//Ignore the right side as we can simply multiply by 2 {Right Main Isile 4, Right Middle side of Church 5, Right side of church 6}
Saturday 5:15 pm [Hard to estimate]
1: 6 people per row * 7 rows
2: 4 people per row * 12 rows
3: 5 people per row * 15 rows
(6*7)+(4*12)+(5*15)=165
size=currentSum*2; //For right side
165*2=330 people
Sunday 7:30 am
Identical to Saturday 5:15 pm for simplicity
330 people
Sunday 9:00 am
1: 10 people per row * 14 rows (all rows full this time)
2: 9 people per row * 14 rows (all rows full this time)
3: 6 people per row * 20 rows
140+(9*14)+(6*20)=386
size=currentSum*2; //For right side
386*2=772 people
Sunday 10:45 am
Identical to Sunday 9AM
772 people
Total
(330*2)+(772*2)=(330+772)*2=2204 people
Limitations:
This is only 1 church. Technically, this is one of Diocese of Winnona's bigger churches.
This is a lighter estimate. It could be larger.
They have like 14 churches in just this one town (not the Statewide Diocese) that are smaller. They would create their own bulletins that contain the same anti-choice announcement.
This is only the Catholicism; other religious groups can do the same.
"No one reads the bulletin" you say? They have after Communion announcements. Everybody will hear it.
Anonymous 2023-01-19 (Thu) 11:52:11 No. 19622
>>19621 Reading Catlin Johnstone's Substack motivated me to write that last section about the reach of the bulletin. She mentions the influence of media organizations over the masses.
Anonymous 2023-01-19 (Thu) 12:30:11 No. 19624
>>19623 March for Life sponsors. Noteworthy examples:
https://www.kofc.org/en//index.html https://www.ewtn.com/ FOCUS=Fellowship of Catholic University Students. These people are on a lot of college campuses across America. Every FOCUS is a Newman Center. Not every Newman Center hosts FOCUS.
Anonymous 2023-01-19 (Thu) 12:33:58 No. 19625
>>19624 Observed trends:
1. ["culture of life", "celebrate life"] VS [Defeating Abortion, fighting Roe V Wade]
2. Kight's of Columbus are highly involved in this.
Anonymous 2023-01-21 (Sat) 06:59:28 No. 19627
>>19616 Priests for Life, Stand True, Rock For Life (don't know if they're around anymore) and Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising (PAAU) are all splinter groups of Operation Rescue.
Anonymous 2023-01-21 (Sat) 22:10:25 No. 19628
>>19392 A good psyop is to take credit for stuff other people did. Such as the
U.S. Army Field Manual 30-31B -hoax.
And if you say that "It's fake, but right in principle", well congrats! You just vent full Julius Evola on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion…
Anonymous 2023-01-22 (Sun) 06:33:10 No. 19633
>>19632 "Christendom students praying Rosary outside an abortion clinic
The college cancelled classes on January 20 to give an opportunity to students to participate in March for Life rally"
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https://twitter.com/Sachinettiyil/status/1614996441415704576 Anonymous 2023-01-22 (Sun) 06:43:22 No. 19634
>>19633 General themes:
-Every Catholic organization tries to show up
-Catholic colleges and schools treat it as a field trip, even going as far as to cancel classes to enable this.
Anonymous 2023-01-22 (Sun) 08:05:57 No. 19638
>>19637 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPSOYz1_jKg "… at least 30 ISP personnel on hand who surrounded a very well thought out barricade… Across the street the Proud Boys had set up and appeared to be well armed; one guy had a black face mask and an AR 15 strapped to his chest. They just kind of hung out and chatted. The counter protestors demonstrated incredible vocal stamina and ability by chanting the same phrases quite loudly for over an hour straight. ; very impressive. The only real conflict came when some of the canines present came into contact with one another and had a few scuffles, but hey, at least they got to enjoy an outing with their owners on a really nice sunny day. Good job everyone.'"
Anonymous 2023-01-22 (Sun) 09:27:56 No. 19639
>>19638 Note: That was in the comment section
Anonymous 2023-01-23 (Mon) 04:25:28 No. 19640
>>19639 "MARCH FOR LIFE 2023
SUNDAY, JANUARY 22, 2023 11:45AM
CHURCH OF ST. MICHAEL
For those who cannot attend the March For Life at the Capitol on Sunday, or just wish to join us…
RESPECT LIFE MASS
Sunday, January 22, 2023 NOON
Cathedral of Saint Paul, St. Paul
…(This Mass is replacing the Prayer Service for Life.)"
https://churchofstmichael.flocknote.com/note/19862809 ————-
https://thecatholicspirit.com/news/local-news/archbishop-hebda-each-of-us-is-called-to-be-an-evangelizer-for-life/ "About 180 people, including 140 high school students and young adults, also traveled by charted buses from the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis to the 50th March for Life in Washington, D.C. Jan. 20."
"Archbishop Hebda also acknowledged his gratitude for students in attendance from the University of Mary in Bismarck who were on their way back to North Dakota after participating in the march in Washington…"
"…Archbishop Hedba said Minnesotans must “express our voice to our senators as soon as we can, because the vote will be as soon as this week.” He suggested accessing the Minnesota Catholic Conference website at mncatholic.org or the archdiocese’s website at archspm.org to find ways to express views to state senators. "
Anonymous 2023-01-23 (Mon) 04:28:15 No. 19641
>>19640 Summary again:
1. The march for life does not just happen out of nowhere.
2. Catholic Churches and Catholic Schools facilitate media campaigns and buses to make it so.
3. Notice the level of coordination from high level USCCB to the Local Church level.
Anonymous 2023-01-23 (Mon) 17:45:28 No. 19644
>>19643 Yeah plea deals often involve the defendant agreeing to snitch or set up others. If he’s getting a bunch of college kids to invade abortion clinics for him you know something’s up.
Anonymous 2023-01-23 (Mon) 18:18:25 No. 19645
>>19642 why the hell are anti abortion people always the ugliest fucks that would never need an abortion
Anonymous 2023-01-23 (Mon) 18:26:33 No. 19646
>>19645 Personally I don’t think Terrisa is ugly. She looks like your typical 50-year old wine aunt who drinks diet ginger ale and shops at Christmas Tree Shops.
Anonymous 2023-01-23 (Mon) 19:19:40 No. 19647
>>19643 >rescues are they talking about stealing fetuses again?…
Anonymous 2023-01-23 (Mon) 19:44:16 No. 19649
>>19648 gross. what do these people think they've achieving with this
Anonymous 2023-01-23 (Mon) 20:15:51 No. 19650
>>19649 Shock value for clout.
Anonymous 2023-01-25 (Wed) 05:32:58 No. 19653
>>19647 Catholic Extremists need language that justifies the immoral action of intruding into Planned Parenthood and scaring people to not use their choice.
Also, they can't build a movement of terrorism yet. The court of public opinion does not like bombings, even among their own ranks.
Anonymous 2023-02-06 (Mon) 07:28:47 No. 19658
Kind of related question: was it "snitching" for Bella Dodd to write her memoir detailing her time in CPUSA, or was the only snitching her testimony?
Anonymous 2023-02-06 (Mon) 11:36:19 No. 19659
I HAVE SEEN THIS EXACT POST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO
Anonymous 2023-02-06 (Mon) 11:37:56 No. 19660
>>19659 >that post >that flag you seem specially abled tbh
not to be rude or anything
Anonymous 2023-02-06 (Mon) 11:38:42 No. 19661
>>19659 anon look at the date of the OP
Anonymous 2023-02-12 (Sun) 05:02:52 No. 19665
>>19664 why are you posting people with 72 subs. are you that girl
Anonymous 2023-02-12 (Sun) 22:18:35 No. 19668
>>19664 Am I the only one who thinks Kay Fellowz looks and talks like a late 80s Saturday morning cartoon character?
In all seriousness, she’s correct. As soon as Monet enters the picture orgs lose their principles and only become fixated on getting the bag.
Anonymous 2023-02-15 (Wed) 01:41:31 No. 19670
>>19669 Why are they so obsessed with fetal development? Who gives a fuck if abortion is murder? There are several instances where murdering another human being is perfectly justified (workers killing their boss, for instance).
I want every single pro-lifer sent to a gulag immediately.
Anonymous 2023-02-15 (Wed) 01:56:46 No. 19671
>>19669 To pee or not to pee, that is the question
Anonymous 2023-02-15 (Wed) 23:11:02 No. 19672
>>19669 The landlords I’d overthrow can pee too.
Anonymous 2023-02-26 (Sun) 19:40:58 No. 19674
>>19673 Just fuck the Church and their Road to Damascus bullshit.
Anonymous 2023-03-01 (Wed) 16:49:50 No. 19675
>>19674 It's very obvious Sheen lovebombed her and manipulated her into snitching. Sheen had a whole group organized specifically to missionize to former communists and groom them into tattletelling on their former comrades.
Anonymous 2023-03-08 (Wed) 18:46:00 No. 19677
Catholic leaders: the world is becoming increasingly liberal and we need to loosen up a bit to not lose followers
Anonymous 2023-03-08 (Wed) 18:52:00 No. 19679
>>19673 This shit makes me rage.
Anonymous 2023-03-08 (Wed) 19:00:39 No. 19680
>>19673 >The Catholic Church called Communism a peril to democracy Not the Ustase though I guess.
>Mass murder occurred through the summer and autumn of 1941. The first Croatian concentration camp was opened at the end of April 1941, and in June a law was passed to establish a network across the country, in order to exterminate ethnic and religious minorities.[17] According to writer Richard Evans, atrocities at the notorious Jasenovac concentration camp were "egged on by some Franciscan friars".[17] Phayer wrote that it is well known that many Catholic clerics participated directly or indirectly in Ustaša campaigns of violence, as is attested in the work of Corrado Zoli (Italian) and Evelyn Waugh (British), both Roman Catholics themselves; Waugh by conversion.[18] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_clergy_involvement_with_the_Usta%C5%A1e Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 05:32:46 No. 19681
>>19652 <catholic priest sexually harassing young women That's new for me!
Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 05:51:48 No. 19682
>>19673 I wonder how TradCaths will reconcile their rabid American ultranationalism with the fact that by 2030 the majority of their flock in the US will be brown immigrants that are anathema to other ultranationalists.
Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 06:10:46 No. 19683
>>19678 You have to live in USA in a world where women actually value themselves as mothers first and workers second, despite both being mutually inclusive. Religion is the key element to this and these people will start talking about jesus or god et cetera even though they participate in an economically harmful, un-christian economic regime that they otherwise support unconditionally.
Simply put, it is wilful ignorance. They just want to control people and ban thing because thing is scary and introduces difficult conversations about family planning that most Americans don't want to have.
Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 06:11:34 No. 19684
>>19682 White supremacy is never consistent. Christian nationalism is almost always white supremacist despite whites in America being the least religious of every demographic.
Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 06:13:08 No. 19686
>>19683 Every mother is technically a worker. Labour done in the home is crucial to the functioning of capitalism. That's why the ruling class is obsessed with birthrates being too low and abortion is being banned in way more states than it's being kept legal.
Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 06:16:20 No. 19687
>>19686 True although I'd argue that it's less "needing high birthrates" and more "keeping people distracted". Religious people are incredibly stupid and want to remain stupid. This is especially true for American religion where self-analysis is not permitted and the preacher is a literal billionaire who explicitly preaches that god doesn't help people who can't help themselves.
Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 06:23:42 No. 19688
>>19687 Low birthrates spell a disaster for capitalism. It's not just about wanting more wage slaves and keeping the rate of profit high, but also about capitalists wanting returns on investments. Think about how much money capitalists invest in, say , the housing market. Now imagine a population decline over 20 years. All of that property goes to waste because there's no buyers.
Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 06:35:50 No. 19689
>>19684 >Christian nationalism is almost always white supremacist I've always wondered why this is the case tbh. If you look at other Abrahamic religion fundamentalists, like say the Salafists or just the garden variety islamists in North Africa, you'll be very hardpressed to find any explicitly racist religious people, like at all. Of course in practice these reactoids often discriminates against ethnic minorities, but you'll never see explicitly racial supremacist fundamentalist among Muslims unlike with Christians in Europe and America. Which is weird since, logically speaking the Imperialist and more martial Islam should've been more racist than the cosmopolitan Christianity
Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 06:40:31 No. 19690
>>19689 Islam is tacitly Arab supremacist.
Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 16:34:04 No. 19692
>>19690 Would this be before or after the CIA trains the mujahideen in guerilla warfare?
Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 17:16:01 No. 19693
>>19692 Ask any ethnic group in the SWANA that's been Arabized.
Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 23:23:32 No. 19697
>>19691 >Randall Terry is the only reason abortion is a political issue Comstock would like a word.
Anonymous 2023-03-10 (Fri) 23:53:22 No. 19698
>>19392 Ironic because Fulton Sheen supported Vatican II reforms.
Anonymous 2023-04-01 (Sat) 19:22:11 No. 19700
>>19699 >muh rich kids drawn to Marxism This idiot knows most CPUSA leaders were working-class right?
Anonymous 2023-04-03 (Mon) 07:13:46 No. 19701
http://www.patrioticrosary.com/patriotic-rosary.html Noteworthy quotes:
"He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword;"
"…I have seen Him in the watchfires of a hundred circling camps;"
“Soldiers! Let us humble ourselves before the Lord,"
Noteworthy themes:
1. Declare oneself oppressed.
2. Merging the State with Theology
3. Getting people to think of themselves as soldiers is not a positive development.
——-
"The real question posed is, how have we, as Catholic Christians, shed light on this ongoing, state-sanctioned, taking of life?
The next question is how have we “salted the earth” in which this loss of our children is acceptable?
The third question is are we willing to become the “city set on a hill” which directs and supports women to choose life?"
Themes:
1. Declare abortion state-sanctioned.
2. Ask what do you do?
3. Tell people to become a propaganda arm.
Anonymous 2023-04-03 (Mon) 22:58:47 No. 19703
>>19564 Chicago Italian beef: so good you’ll tell everyone:
Anonymous 2023-04-04 (Tue) 21:02:38 No. 19705
>>19704 Red brown shit. All these pics of Terrisa Bukovinac, Lauren Handy (“fetus bandit”), and Elise Ketsch (known by her monicker “antipersonhood”) with Christian fascists prove where their alliances are.
Anonymous 2023-04-20 (Thu) 00:27:19 No. 19708
>>19704 >>19705 >>19706 No. Fucking. Words.
Kristin Turner also calls herself an “anarchist” and lives in the Bay Area.
Anonymous 2023-05-02 (Tue) 11:46:50 No. 19712
>>19710 "…parents today are bombarded with the often-negative impact that social media is creating.
One step towards combating this impact, as the bishops advocated throughout the day, would be to prohibit the use of social media algorithms on children under 18 (H.F 1503 / S.F. 2101).
The bishops shared … stories from their pastoral experiences of helping families navigate the psychological strain that social media is having on the youth…
…that it is often through social media, that seeds of gender theory are planted, fertilized, and start to grow. By embracing gender ideology, today's culture aims to…"
Occurrences in last 2 posts:
1. Bishop Barron trashing "wokeness"
2. Catholic organization in MN condemning Social Media.
Anonymous 2023-05-02 (Tue) 12:23:31 No. 19713
>>19708 >bay area bayarea415 is that you ?
Anonymous 2023-05-02 (Tue) 14:13:47 No. 19714
"H.F. 366/S.F. 165 blocks the governor from extraditing to other states any crime connected with "reproductive health care services," which include abortion. The bill has already passed through the House."
https://www.mccl.org/extreme Anonymous 2023-05-02 (Tue) 14:20:50 No. 19715
>>19461 This
You fucked up the minute you assumed this has anything to do with what the truth is. They don't care as long as it convinces a few people who are ignorant. They're weirdly Machiavellian for people so spooked.
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 06:46:26 No. 19718
>>19716 the dimond brothers are notoriously batshit insane, even to other traddies.
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 20:46:45 No. 19719
>>19717 What the hell is this Fatima shit about?
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 22:35:21 No. 19720
>>19719 "errors of Russia"
"consecrate Russia" -> Consecrated whole world
"Immaculate heart will triumph" - Vague victory
Marian Apparitions: Fatima, Our Lady of Akita
End times esque quackery.
Advice for atheists when looking at Catholic Theology:
1. Ignore the belief, look at the outcome. The "Holy Family" is antiLGBT. The "Respect for Life" as a rebrand for ending Womans Choice.
2. Remember that these are quackers. Don't look to hard at it.
Get this extension
https://ocr.space/copyfish It will allow you to look at bat-shit crazy bulletins that and transcribe the image into text.
Anonymous 2023-05-23 (Tue) 02:32:03 No. 19721
pfft svc had nothing to do with leftism, it meant the acceptance of the church towards bourgeoisie liberalism. just a way to keep the institution alive after totalitarian regimes fell out of favour
Anonymous 2023-07-01 (Sat) 16:11:13 No. 19723
>>19721 This pretty much.
V2 also threw a bone to fascism IIRC.
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