Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 02:19:08 No. 19725
1. kill the unreformable 2. reform the reformable
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 02:21:56 No. 19726
Good to know this fucking gorilla image is still used here
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 02:36:49 No. 19727
my ancestor
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 05:34:39 No. 19729
I don't know what "prison abolitionism" is, but Sweden and North Korea send people to work on farms instead of putting them in cages.
Mostly agree with
>>19728 Without government and prison-industrial complex, there would be less actual crime and literally nobody would get jailed for victimless crimes like growing plants or collecting rain
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/states-where-it-is-illegal-to-collect-rainwater …and the remaining disputes can get solved by people with or without violence. Guns are an option, not a requirement for dispute resolution.
Reminder that not-so-great Britain had to give up any attempts to rule India not because people protested in the streets or resisted violently, but because too many people (not even a majority) refused to follow orders they deemed immoral. Shame they missed the opportunity to also get rid of their own government.
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 06:02:56 No. 19730
>>19724 In theory you could screen anti-social tendencies before people are born.
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 07:07:39 No. 19731
>>19730 >In theory >genes dictate (anti)social behaviour Theories that contradict all empirical evidence, no evidence to support them, should be called "hypotheses" if you want to be polite or "bullshit" if you want to be honest.
like virolology Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 07:12:39 No. 19732
>>19731 >epigenetics dictate (anti)social behaviour Fixed that for you. Leftoids sure love idealism when it comes to human nature.
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 11:20:32 No. 19734
Where did anyone ever say communism = no prisons
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 11:35:49 No. 19735
You put them in houses that are next door to prison abolitionists. Let them sort it out.
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 11:45:51 No. 19736
>>19724 Under socialism everyone will be put in prison, therefore the distinction between prisoners and free men will be abolished.
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 11:49:21 No. 19737
>>19736 higher-stage barracks communism
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 12:09:24 No. 19738
>>19736 >me when I get arrested Look mum! I am practising socialism!
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 12:19:56 No. 19739
>>19728 What the fuck even is that comic.
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 14:42:25 No. 19740
>>19734 Angela Davis was going around shilling for the idea. Its just another Left-Liberal import cloaking itself as 'Marxism'.
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 16:10:49 No. 19741
If you lump all systems of incarceration or rehabilitation that involve coercion under the "prison" umbrella, to the point that you include things like community policing and restorative justice, then by implication you are equivocating ALL such systems and obscuring genuine differences between them. There are a lot of socialists who are eager to shoot themselves in the foot making arguments like this, and it's usually based on a desire to chest-thump for sectarian bullshit. Somebody might, for example, defend the Soviet gulag system as being more humane and rational than the US prison system. This is reasonable to do, since the gulags were attempting to reform people and tried to give them something meaningful to do in terms of work or training, while the US prison system is really only interested in trapping people into a life of crime because they are driven by profit and make more money the more prisoners the state has to pay for. Pretty obvious and important qualitative difference there. However, many who jump to defend the gulag system, when the topic of prison abolition comes up, also jump at the opportunity to claim that any proposed "non-prison" system for dealing with crime is equally a prison in the last analysis. But if even the extreme forms of prison abolition is "still prison" and "just as bad or worse" than the capitalist status quo, that means AES with demonstrably less worse criminal justice systems are being dismissed in those accomplishments. In other words, there is a tendency of some socialists throwing their own radical criticism (and real world examples) under the bus if it means they get to shit on "anarchists" or "red liberals" or whatever label they want to use (prison abolition is not exclusive to any one tendency). Unfortunately, communism needs to be defended from vulgarizers who will dismiss radical critiques as utopian and make the bourgeois claim that things can't be different from how they are now under capitalism.
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 17:07:36 No. 19743
>>19742 >this is what marx said btw Ok anon but WHAT DO YOU SAY ?
A r e u sure we should do like that , are u sure about u sure, are u sure?!? I-I don't want any prison, scaaary , uwaaaa
So anon , what do U say!
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 17:21:22 No. 19744
>>19739 The portrait of a childish understanding of deterrents.
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 17:32:51 No. 19745
>>19740 well, her personal prison abolition was a success - for the small price of becoming a glowie she got away with it
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 17:53:34 No. 19746
>>19743 i think you should kys
Anonymous 2023-06-08 (Thu) 18:04:46 No. 19747
people with Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) which is the up to date name for psychopathy, who can have tendencies to act violently for their own enjoyment if they have sadistic traits, can be helped with therapy in many cases. And if their economic, political, and material conditions are reformed it's likely they would not be encouraged to become legitimately dangerous and violent criminals, because crime isn't needed under socialism and communism. It's a slow and careful process, not immediately letting murderers and pedophiles out of prison with no care like libs might advocate for not understanding. But to transform the society radically to the point where prison isn't needed
Anonymous 2023-06-10 (Sat) 01:25:57 No. 19750
>>19724 >How is prison abolitionism supposed to work If we are to be serious in our sloganing of 'fire to the prisons' and so on we need to have hard and serious talks about who are not suited for civil society, that is; who we leave in the prisons when we burn them down.
In my conversations about this with comrades I like to advocate that the prisoners themselves should decide. As we see in many prison riots the prisoners usually use the time of the autonomous prison to exact beatings or death on the known prolific prisoners, that is your psychos and predators, child rapists and the like. The kind of people who will never fit in to a society.
Easy solution.
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