Deng Xiaoping -- Economize Time and Energy Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 15:49:29 No. 19751
Americans are a practical people and they always say: “Time is money.” They have a whole branch of literature—unfortunately, we Chinese know very little of it—dealing with the organization of business in industries and finance, showing young Americans how to save energy and take a shortcut to success. The latter are taught all that very well, and we should learn it too.
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 16:47:48 No. 19754
is this the most blatant on the nose revision deng ever did?
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 16:58:13 No. 19755
>>1474528
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 17:00:55 No. 19756
>>19755 It's called organic socialism you false flagging lib. It's meant to conform to the material biological conditions of the people involved with it, not that a filthy b*izou like you would understand.
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 17:03:40 No. 19757
>>19755 The Nazis hated the Chinese and thought all East Asian philosophy was subhuman so your strawman doesn’t even make sense
>>19756 It’s not biology, it’s culture and values. If it were biological then the Han Chinese Superethnos would have never coalesced together into a cohesive whole, to say nothing of the Hui, Mongols, and other ethnicities
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 17:07:07 No. 19760
>>19754 Its one of the worst. Deng bros its over…
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 17:07:59 No. 19761
>>19759 At least this story had a happy ending. Hitler suicided and Mao won.
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 17:11:57 No. 19762
It makes so much sense that american leftoids are now soyfacing at Deng and China. They're just love American exceptionalism but in Asia.
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 17:14:27 No. 19763
>>19762 hey that's not true. in fact I think most american leftists would rather spend literally hours at a time arguing with such people instead of doing actual political work 😳
leftypol has never, does not, and will never READ Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 19:12:16 No. 19765
Hello, it's me, the Dengist OP. It is that time of the thread, where, after getting some replies, I actually post where the original quote is from. In this case, we have Nadezhda Krupskaya's On Education (a selection of writings). I've attached the .pdf as well. I stumbled upon the book while reading Reminiscences of Lenin. It has a very nice section on Self-Education, which I recommend my comrades to read. I also suggest that you all should read the last four chapters of Reminiscences of Lenin, 1931. edition.
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 19:33:38 No. 19766
>>19765 Said deng beetle who changed the quote to completely change it's meaning, like from "fast" to "cheap". And also never actually read Lenin, nor the book in question.
Брысь под шконку, сопла фашистская.
Anonymous 2023-05-22 (Mon) 19:41:25 No. 19767
>>19766 What are you even saying? Are you deranged? I probably read more of Lenin that most people, not that you should quantify reading. Are you just mad that people don't take the spectacle seriously? You're on a dying site, with a dying format. 👏 let 👏 people 👏 have 👏 fun 👏 you boring old Russian commie.
Anonymous 2023-05-27 (Sat) 16:58:30 No. 19770
>>19767 What a shit reply lol
Anonymous 2023-05-27 (Sat) 21:04:46 No. 19771
I always appreciate dengoids. You guys are on the right side of history.
Anonymous 2023-05-27 (Sat) 21:28:02 No. 19772
>>19765 >Dengoids trying to false flag with misattributed out-of-context quotes as some kind of 'gotcha' against actual communists Has it really come to this?
Anonymous 2023-05-27 (Sat) 22:28:28 No. 19773
it's the concept of seizing walmart and using it instead of building it from scratch but from the material condition of a country that didn't have a walmart
Anonymous 2023-05-27 (Sat) 22:31:48 No. 19774
Capitalism is bad.
Anonymous 2023-05-28 (Sun) 07:34:08 No. 19778
>>19766 explain how this quote is changed. (it really is mao btw)
explain what mao meant by this.
alunya_dance.gif 2023-05-28 (Sun) 08:00:25 No. 19779
>>19765 >posting non-Asian pragmatism quotes with a picture of Deng Finally, a proper new /leftypol/ meme.
It's been 2 years, but we finally have one.
Anonymous 2023-05-28 (Sun) 08:03:31 No. 19780
>>19774 The revolution will not be ethical.
Anonymous 2023-05-28 (Sun) 08:14:07 No. 19781
In my opinion it's more like "Exploiting others and being a controlling asshole is money"
Anonymous 2023-05-29 (Mon) 14:30:48 No. 19785
>>19771 Thank you porky. You really are our greatest ally :)
Anonymous 2023-05-29 (Mon) 14:33:42 No. 19786
>>19771 How is your friend porkie Jack Ma doing these days.. real sad that CPC is being mean to him huh ?
Anonymous 2023-05-29 (Mon) 15:42:25 No. 19788
>>19782 It doesn't actually demonstrate anything, though, beyond Dengists needing to deceive others to make China seem more in line with socialism than it actually is. The words of Lenin or Marx in the mouth of Deng will mean something else in that context. You could equally cherry-pick quotations from Marx and put them in the mouth of Hitler, or vice versa, and you'll have demonstrated just as little. What people are disapproving of isn't so much the quote by itself, but the quote in relation to the context in which it's set.
And Marx investing in the stock market, for example, doesn't demonstrate anything at all about how he thought socialism should be brought about. I can't figure out why that excerpt is posted ad nauseam in threads like this.
Anonymous 2023-05-29 (Mon) 17:25:26 No. 19789
>>19788 Dengists are the protestants of the left. They don't care about establishing socialism via any mean, they just like cheery-picking quotes and arguing about the meaning of them, as if they were
Anonymous 2023-05-29 (Mon) 18:03:41 No. 19790
>>19788 you miss the point. If I took the
usual "communist-sounding" marx and lenin quotes and put them in the mouths of deng, and then never admitted that I was doing this, that would be trying to make deng seem cooler than he is.
but the point of this is that I am actually taking quotes from marx/lenin
that ultras think "sound capitalist" , attributing them to deng, and then, after they have spent a while coping and seething about how these quotes prove deng wasn't a communist, only then do I reveal that these quotes were actually marx lenin, etc.
So the "deception" is temporary, and is meant to be an exercise in critical thinking. The usual course of these threads is that the anti-deng posters don't look up the source of the quote, fall for the ruse, and after the ruse is revealed, they miss the point, and think I'm trying to do the former, and not the latter.
OG Tankie 2023-05-29 (Mon) 18:24:14 No. 19792
>>19791 > When objectified labour is, in this process, at the same time posited as the worker’s non-objectivity, as the objectivity of a subjectivity antithetical to the worker, as property of a will alien to him, then capital is necessarily at the same time the capitalist, and the idea held by some socialists that we need capital but not the capitalists is altogether wrong. <Marx, Grundrisse Society would then be conceived as an abstract capitalist. <Marx, Economic & Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 state ownership, does not do away with the capitalistic nature of the productive forces. In the joint-stock companies this is obvious. And the modern state, again, is only the organisation that bourgeois society takes on in order to support the general external conditions of the capitalist mode of production against the encroachments as well of the workers as of individual capitalists. The modern state, no matter what its form, is essentially a capitalist machine, the state of the capitalists, the ideal personification of the total national capital. The more it proceeds to the taking over of productive forces, the more does it actually become the national capitalist, the more citizens does it exploit. The workers remain wage-workers — proletarians. <Engels, Anti-Duhring the continuation of the anarchy of small ownership is the greatest, the most serious danger, and it will certainly be our ruin (unless we overcome it), whereas not only will the payment of a heavier tribute to state capitalism not ruin us, it will lead us to socialism by the surest road. When the working class has learned how to defend the state system against the anarchy of small ownership, when it has learned to organise large-scale production on a national scale along state-capitalist lines, it will hold, if I may use the expression, all the trump cards, and the consolidation of socialism will be assured."<Lenin, The Tax in Kind (m-muh NEP though!!) not only in one country but in all the leading countries of the world – that competition between the proletarians of these countries ceases and at least the decisive forces of production are concentrated in the hands of the workers. Our concern cannot simply be to modify private property, but to abolish it, not to hush up class antagonisms but to abolish classes, not to improve the existing society but to found a new one."<Marx, Address to the Central Committee the producers do not exchange their products; - Marx, Gothakritik
"Our basic goal — to build socialism — is correct, but we are still trying to figure out what socialism is and how to build it." Deng Xiaoping, 1987 Anonymous 2023-05-29 (Mon) 19:57:19 No. 19793
>>19790 >but the point of this is that I am actually taking quotes from marx/lenin that ultras think "sound capitalist", attributing them to deng, and then, after they have spent a while coping and seething about how these quotes prove deng wasn't a communist, only then do I reveal that these quotes were actually marx lenin, etc. Because, for Deng, the quotation
could demonstrate that, in relation to other evidence. When you attribute the quotation to "Deng," you're attaching it also to what is known otherwise about his positions and what he did in life, and this holds similarly for whoever else you might quote (truly or falsely). A quotation can be evaluated as additional evidence regarding Deng's positions, but it's never evaluated in a vacuum. I'd be surprised if a single person changed their mind from a thread like this. I came to this thread after the reveal, and the only thing it reinforced is never to trust anything cited without a source given that can be easily confirmed.
>So the "deception" is temporary, and is meant to be an exercise in critical thinking Identifying (mis)quotations requires knowledge of the sources more than critical thinking. Even knowledge doesn't guarantee you'll be right if the quotation "sounds like" something the person it's attributed to might say. I've been able to identify false quotations before, but this is only when I'm very familiar with the person it's attributed to, and the quotation sounds wrong stylistically or positionally. The difficulties here are compounded by problems of translation. In cases where a passage sounds like it might be from an author, it's going to be too difficult to tell whether it's just something unfamiliar or a translation issue unless there's familiarity with the actual source of the fake quote (including the exact wording of the translation). Critical thinking won't reveal it.
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