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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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 No.21159

Hello, i used to be a white nationalist. i don't want to be one anymore after my life went to shit when everyone found out. i was radicalized by the alt-right by my friends when they became nazis in early this year. i viewed their white nationalist rhetoric as correct. they stopped being my friend when they found out i was trans and gay, and i still held onto the white nationalist beliefs when we stopped being friends. i want to fully get rid of my white nationalism and become a leftist. i go by they/them pronouns btw.

 No.21160

>>21159
i'm going to try bumping this thread

 No.21162

>>21159
Read Black Skin White Masks and avoid Orthodox Marxists and MLs, they are as crazy and are out to convert you to their nonsensical beliefs as much as any white nationalist.

 No.21163

Why did you hold onto your white nationalist beliefs and what specifically are they? Since you are already willing to change your beliefs but haven't succeeded on your own, what is stopping you from shedding what remains of your beliefs?

 No.21165

>>21163
i held onto my beliefs because i believe them as truth. i always see examples of “anti-whitism” online so it radicalizes more when i'm trying to not be radicalized. i want to know why white nationalism is wrong.

 No.21166

Idk man I'm not paid to educate you. Why don't you read a book or something

 No.21167

>>21166
i’m looking for a book to read, someone said i should read Black Skin White Masks, which i am reading as we speak.

 No.21168

>>21167
I recommend reading Lenin's The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism, then moving on to Marx's writings on economy. You'll eventually forget this culture war bullshit as you learn about how the world actually works.

 No.21169

>>21166
You're a douchebag, and incidentally a fool for saying that on /edu/.

>>21165
Well, the reasons race supremacy is wrong is that it is founded on lies or poor interpretations of facts (for example, in the US, misattributing issues to race which are really caused by socio-economic factors is a very common pattern). And it's hard to demonstrate that without knowing what you believe to be true, so that's why you were asked what specifically they are.
Alsi, white nationalism is also not constructive. Even if it were right, it wouldn't be a useful attitude. There are obviously a huge amount of smart, friendly, helpful people from other races and many poor examples of white people (especially in the alt-right). Even if one race were overall superior… so what? That doesn't imply anything about individual members of each of those races.

Or is your nationalism based on some other idea?

>>21159
>i go by they/them pronouns
You're on an anonymous imageboard, your identity is off-topic here. Your pronouns are comrade/anon to me.

 No.21170

>>21168
This raises another point - most of the problems in our society aren't caused by race issues, they're economic issues that result from capitalism and the quest for unlimited profit. Capitalism was shitty when it was dominated by the elite whites and it's still shitty under a more racially diverse collection. The problem is capitalism, not which races are at the top. Racism is a distraction from real, existential issues facing everyone on the planet.

 No.21172

>>21169
I didn't really believe that whites were superior, my white nationalism was protecting the white race from "anti-white attacks" and the such.

 No.21173

>>21170
isn't this class reductionism?

 No.21174

>>21159
white nationalism is 'correct' if the world is viewed superficially atleast in its current or past state but once you realise the logic of 'why' is when you become marxist

 No.21175

>>21174
what does this mean

 No.21176

>>21175
when you view the world without the lens of historical materialism.

 No.21178

It would be pretty good to have some kind of "deprogram" curriculum aimed at specific ideologies like nazis or lolberts.

 No.21181


 No.21182

>>21162
i know why orthodox marxists/kautskyites are crazy, but what's wrong with MLs? I would consider myself a hoxhaist.

 No.21184

>>21173
I'm not trying to say everything is caused by class or that it's the only thing that matters, but that issues stemming from economic class are almost always far far far more important than race, to the point where race conflicts should be discouraged where possible.

>>21182
Not that comrade, but I don't see anything wrong with it.

 No.21185

if people care who i am, i am commandgenius2. just look my name up on twitter for a summary of my nazism. i want to get rid of my nazism.

 No.21186

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>>21185
the leftypol twitter liked an image making fun of me. it’s so over.

 No.21187

>>21186
>my friends literally escaped the gulags

who lol?

 No.21188

>>21187
i’ve gotten over that, those “friends” were losers, they’re grandparents did and they moved to francoist spain. they didn’t convince me of the white nationalism

 No.21189

>>21188
I see. Well what aspect of Nazism are you struggling with?

 No.21190

>>21189
the racial aspect, i believe that the white race is “under attack” and the such, plus i believe black peoples entire culture is built off of “anti-whitism.” i want to know why those beliefs are false

 No.21191

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just chill out i guess? idk reading these posts it’s like you’re freaking out
white nationalist and “race science” ideology are less internally consistent than your average capeshit story, read up on the basics of marxism if that’s what you want to learn
Principles of Communism is a good one to start
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

 No.21192

>>21190
>i believe that the white race is “under attack” and the such

Ok, how? I mean I guess you will say immigration but you realise that is done by migrants for economic reasons, and allowed by western governments for economic reasons also (cheap labour)?

>i believe black peoples entire culture is built off of “anti-whitism.”


I mean they definitely have an axe to grind but come on it's not like the average black person actually is like 'muh kara bora, all whitoids must be killed', that's just dumb /pol/ trolling.

 No.21193

>>21191
i’ve read principles of communism before. i just want a book explaining how “anti-whitism” is false and how the white race isn’t being replaced. i also want to know how to not be offended when someone says anti-white “slurs”

 No.21194

>>21192
i believed the white race is “under attack” because of immigration lowering the white and european population, white asian countries like japan get to stay japanese and asian, but britain has to have a bunch of arabs.

 No.21195

>>21194
*while asian

 No.21196

>>21190
>i believe that the white race is “under attack”
there is no white “race”, this is a made up concept used to separate workers by their skin color
our species has one race, the human one
>i believe black peoples entire culture is built off of “anti-whitism.”
im assuming you’re american in this reply so if i’m off sorry
this one has a little bit of truth behind it since the development of “black culture” in the US was obviously molded by slavery, white supremacism and discrimination so you do have some elements from rejection of “white culture”, but it’s not like people with these different cultures can’t exist together and share their experiences right? why does this matter when we can all work together to improve our lives regardless if we’re “black” or “white”?

 No.21197

>>21196
so, black people don’t want to kill every white person they see? if so that makes me a less of a white nationalist. i guess all that’s left is to just figure out how to stop being offended by “anti-white slurs,” since when i see them online i end up regressing back into nazism

 No.21198

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>>21194
Well western governments have made the choice to allow immigration for economic reasons like I said. If you look at Japan and South Korea they have more 'ethnic purity' sure but they also have horribly dysfunctional societies where the suicide rate is even higher than the west and birth rates even lower, and there's a horrible culture of overwork. The truth is that the west needs immigrants to prevent further social disruption and difficulty for businesses. Now we could potentially solve the problems without 'mass' immigration but that would require central planning to actually make the economy viable for everyone. For example fruit pickers and other agricultural workers would need to be paid way more and useless jobs like advertising would need to be eliminated.

But furthermore why does 'attack on the white race' actually matter? I mean it's not like white people are being hacked to death in the streets on the regular by non-whites. You can even find a white partner to have kids with if you want to 'preserve the bloodline' or whatever.

>i guess all that’s left is to just figure out how to stop being offended by “anti-white slurs,” since when i see them online i end up regressing back into nazism


I mean yeah it kind of sucks that some people are so glib with how they talk about white people but white people are basically the demographic the least affected by racism, calling a black person the n-word is way worse than calling a white person a cracker because like, you can just laugh it off, you know you are not seriously at that much risk of discrimination in society.

 No.21199

>>21197
>so, black people don’t want to kill every white person they see?
no? lmao sorry but what the fuck 🤣
do you live in a city with 0 black people? if not, do you think they’re out to get you every time you see one outside?
>i guess all that’s left is to just figure out how to stop being offended by “anti-white slurs,”
just… don’t care about it? it’s just insults online, this “words have power” bullshit is liberal crap, black people have disadvantages on average in life because of socioeconomic factors, not because people say mean words online

 No.21200

>>21199
i do live in a city with 0 black people. i live in a 100% white canadian suburb

 No.21201

>>21200
i’ve actually never had a black friend. all my past friends are white except my ex-boyfriend

 No.21202

>>21201
Well they are just people like us, generally speaking. They might have a slightly different perspective but not like, that different. For example the 'return to Africa' movement among some black Americans has largely failed because those people realised that they have way more in common with white Americans than with Africans.

 No.21203

>>21202
don’t black and POC communists want to have a white genocide in america and give all the land back to the non-whites and create anti-white apartheid? /genq

 No.21204

>>21203
Well maybe a few do but overall no, 'land back' is big words but no serious people involved with real activism (not just shitposting on Twitter) want to actually ethnically cleanse America, at the most extreme they want some autonomous zones/states carved out for native people and maybe black people also but not like, the whole country or even most of it. Personally I think we should just have one big country that represents everyone but I'm white so yeah. Of course plenty of non white communists also don't believe in 'land back'.

 No.21205

>>21203
>don’t communists want genocide and apartheid
no, that’s what liberals and fascists want so they can keep capitalism running for a few more years
the bolsheviks didn’t create an apartheid state in the former russian empire and the people’s republic of china isn’t one either
it’s a plurinational state with different languages and cultures working together

 No.21206

>>21203
No not really, the main thing most Communists want is the abolishment of Capitalism and the society in which it built itself upon. We understand that Class war will be violent but the enemies are the Capitalists or Porkies and their enforces which are more often than not the police force. I don't believe we are at levels of Battle of Blair Mountain but the return of Labor unions here in the US shows that there is fans of change. The Fire Rises and we are here to be that change.

 No.21218

>>21203
>don’t black and POC communists want to have a white genocide in america
Black, Indian, Jewish, etc. porkies have demonstrated themselves to be as bad as European porkies. The problem isn't race, it's capitalism.

Example in practice: The Rainbow Coalition in 1969, Chicago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Coalition_(Fred_Hampton)
This was a collaboration of the Young Patriots Orgnaization (anti-capitalist, anti-racist party of White Southerners), the Young Lords (Puerto Rican and other Latinos) and the Black Panther Party (Black African-American Maoists). Of course, the organizations were named targets of COINTELPRO and it fell apart after police harassment and the FBI assassination of the founder Fred Hampton. It's a classic example of even race-focused organizations uniting under anti-capitalism - you will often hear anarchists and communists yelling 'no war but the class war', 'workers of the world, unite!', and similar slogans making the point that whether you're in the bottom 20% or the bottom 50%, it's no use dividing and conquering each other while the elites (of any race, as we've seen! Plenty of Indian, Black, Jewish, etc. CEOs and stockholders of huge companies and conservative politicians) just laugh down at us. Pitting us against each other is a classic technique to ensure the status quo. Fight over race, fight over sex and gender, fight over religion, fight over country. Any identity politics is preferable to us uniting to fight the ruling class.

Black nationalists existed and probably exist as a niche, but they're not going to be communists.

>>21200
>>21201
I grew up in a place which was 95%+ White, it's a bit of a culture shock to see the difference between reality and stereotypes when plunged into a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic city. Mass media, and social media to a large degree, is a false reality.

 No.21223

>>21166
Get a job loser, it is your job to educate others on your knowledge as a radical

 No.21224

>>21203
Non white poc here, no the idea isnt white genocide, its mostly defeating being held to european standards and putting down systemic racism

 No.21225

>they stopped being my friend when they found out i was trans and gay
Some friends they are. Real white nationalists would have stuck with you.

 No.21226

>>21203
As usual, rural Canadians are just fucking awful people. No offense, OP, but I probably would have shot you if you were still retarded.

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 No.21231

>>21225
They did stick with me, but the stopped treating me as human and instead as a "lolcow"

 No.21244

>>21168

Telling a recovering white nationalist to read fucking Marx and Lenin is like telling someone raised in a fundamentalist Christian cult to read De Principiis Naturalis and On The Origin of Species.

We're not a religion, we don't have holy books. Surely we can advance on the "science" of Marxism enough such that there would be newer better books, ie written in the last few centuries.

 No.21301

>>21190
You're essentially right on both accounts; the white race is under attack from two sides, and black americans do have anti-white sentiments within their culture.

Capitalism is not inherently discriminatory enough to save one race over another, and so white people too find themselves always under threat. This is the appeal of fascism, that there can be some higher authority that curbs the chaos of the market, in favor of race, or an ideal for a nation. The other way whiteness is under attack is from radical marxist cultural critiques, that show how whiteness is not a historically consistent or internally coherent (or even able to be definitively delineated) category in reality. They show that whiteness is a coalition of peoples, who have banded together for mutual benefit, gravitating around the wealthy (who already tend to be white, and male, for historical reasons). Marxists (and people culturally touched by marxist ideas, e.g. black progressives) seek to break up "the white race", because what it really is is a politically expedient fiction which gives a wider social base of support to the bourgeoisie.

On the issue of black culture, it's apparent that they have so much culture that is influenced by their african roots, and by the traditions created during slavery, as well as culture that came from the rural white working class, peasants, and lumpen, as well as culture that developed more recently from the urban black working class. This is much larger than just being anti-white (which does exist, and for good reason, when structural racism and individual racism both are still around, holding down and hurting black people).

>>21193
Slurs like "cracker" or slurs like "lol u can't season ur dry chicken breasts"? Bcuz for me, I just laugh at the latter insults cuz they're true, and honestly i think it's important to have healthy inter-cultural banter, like you're still stuck in racism if you feel shocked by anyone lobbing meaningless insults at other people for doing smth different. If you mean individual words… idk what your situation is, if you were the kind of whitey to grow up surrounded by non-white ppl and u got bullied for it and probably need actual therapy, or if you're just offended at the idea of being denigrated based on your race (in which case, your offense is justified because that is wrong, but I'd just keep in mind the lack of actual harm, and the usually joking nature of these things. i.e. your emotions are right, but realize its not that serious and chill)

>>21194
thats not attack, it's statistics. So long as white ppl keep having kids, there's no "threat". What is the value in a proportion? It's not like you're having kids anyways, so why complain?

>>21198
japen raped korea and philippines, and china is a melting pot of ethnicities, once you get past the idea of large "races", the supposed purity of asian societies is gone. Except maybe Japan. But Japan is racist and had the benefit of being the colonizer. The OG Japanese were not so lucky, even. And Japan stole their culture from China. So idk it's all impure. Who'd have thought.

 No.21309

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>they stopped being my friend when they found out i was trans and gay
life imitates art

 No.21405

>>21165
>i always see examples of “anti-whitism” online so it radicalizes more when i'm trying to not be radicalized
>>21159
>i don't want to be one anymore after my life went to shit when everyone found out
so you want to stop being a white supremacist because it's inconvenient for you now, but you can't because you keep shitting your pants at "white ppl cant season they food :joy:" tweets? sorry if misinterpreting

 No.21621

If it's anything like my racist tendencies directed towards myself, the only way to get over it is to bite the bullet and look into each core belief deeper, like >>21357 is doing with race and IQ. If these ideas were something you could just ignore, you would never have become a wignat in the first place. A thread on class collaboration(the idea and history of it) would be well-placed for this goal.


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