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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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 No.21239

I hate G.E. Moore so much. His entire career was built off of declaring unfounded assumptions as true because, just, like, come on man. Trust me.

Look at his argument against hedonism. Henry Sidgwick says that "good" only exists as an objective property in one context: within conscious experience. He argues that beautiful objects cannot have any value in the external world, and that only the images of beautiful things within a mind are beautiful. In other words, he argues that things are only beautiful when they are perceived. G.E. Moore says this isn't true, because he imagines a world that he thinks looks nice, and then another world that he thinks doesn't, and says it's just intuitively obvious that the first is objectively better than the second! But you're still just comparing things in your mind, not things in the real world! The only thing you've demonstrated is that it's better for you to think about the first world than the second, not that the first world contains any objective quality that makes it better than the second! Someone else with opposite aesthetic tastes to your own could think about both worlds, and come to the opposite "intuitive" conclusion! You haven't provided any evidence for your assertions at all! It's madness! And they let this guy into Cambridge?

G. E. Moore's dogmatic adherence to intuition will forever live in infamy in one of the worst arguments in philosophical history, dwarfing his already quite stupid argument in favor of objective beauty. He claims to prove that we can be certain about the existence of the external world and that all skeptical hypotheses are false, because… the external world exists and all skeptical hypotheses are false. He just declares it, and so therefore it must be true. No epistemology needed. Damn. Why didn't Descartes think of that? Just think really hard that something is true, and then it must be true.

Ray Monk called him "the most revered philosopher of his era." Kill yourself Ray Monk. Fuck G. E. Moore and fuck intuitionism.

 No.21240

>>21239
All philosophers who try to DEBOONK "sophists" like Epicurus and Stirner do is fighting with windmills, I don't even take them seriously.

 No.21241

>>21239
Have you never considered that skepticism about the external world is pointless idealist navel gazing that doesn’t warrant a serious response? The point against hedonism does sound lazy but it is not as though ethicists never appeal to moral intuition. It is a major reason why these thought experiments are so valuable

 No.21242

Dualism is occidental autism that seems to never end
"But what if this is all a dream?"
Then its a dream, faggot, whats the difference?
I cant stand it. It just reeks of teenagers coming out of a philosophy 101 class.
What i at least like about the argument from intuition is that it gets past this false screen of "epistemology"
>"but how can we know?"
<"because we know. Next."
Its like how mao appealed to common sense in his own perspective. Things that work, work.
Give me a blue pill. Give me a steak. Plug me into the matrix. Thats the only reasonable conclusion in my mind.
>"but this isnt the REAL world…"
<"oh, it isnt? Oh well. It feels real enough to me."
Cope OP. And what is your "philosophy" anyway? Scepticism forever? You choose to live in doubt?

 No.21243

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<hits pipe
>so like, you say that things that look good aren't necessarily good bro?
>but what if i imagine, say, a soyjak and a gigachad
<blows smoke in your face
>the soyjak is bad so gigachad is good right?
>gigachad is a big handsome boy with muscles, and soyjak is a lanky bald loser with soy and no muscles
>furthermore, soyjak is crying and pissing his pants, while gigachad is unperturbed and smiling
>he's fucking smiling dude, and the soyjak is admitting his defeat
<falls asleep

 No.21246

>>21240
>>21242
To be honest, philosophy is more or less word games for adults. .

Philosophy is intellectual laziness.
Because most people cannot get into actual science. So philosophy is the closest thing that can get.

 No.21298

>>21246
I agree
But without games what would life be?
Most scientists also read philosophy for a bit of perspective too


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