No.32030
>>32028But isn't Fallout 4 on the on the East Coast and this is obviously West Coast? The protagonist doesn't look that interesting and they barely showed her. I guess it's nice that they went with a naive and innocent heroine instead of the mandatory girl boss that every show is legally obligated to have nowadays(she probably develops into one like The Westworld blonde chick.) The CGI looks kinda mid, not terrible but not fantastic either. Doesn't really look like they captured the 1940s-50s aesthetic much at all. I agree with you on the cinematography/color grading being tonally wrong if that's what you mean by yogurt ad.
Now if you want to see a truly dogshit post apocalyptic trailer that came out recently, check out the new Mad Max. The CGI looks like After Effects tier.
No.32035
>>32030forgetting the shit effects (and frankly acting too?)… why does the editing in this trailer feel so amateurish?
No.32041
NGL this looks fun
No.32050
>Crappy ass Bethesda writing
>West coast
Why the hell does it have to be west coast? West coast was the only decent remaining place that wasn't fucked by bethesda, why can't they just remain at their east coast shithole?
Also effects and all make it look worse than some community projects I've seen
No.32098
>>32051what a piece of shit
No.32099
>>32029They can have the most accurate sets, costumes and weapons, if I've learnt anything its that none of it will matter if the writing is bad.
No.32182
>>32179God that last pic is embarrassing, Halloween mask tier makeup. They couldnt even be bothered to give him contact lenses.
No.32197
>>32032Guns and Bethesda makes three. I mean have you looked at Starfield's weapons?
No.32199
>>32028>todd howard>bos wankwho thought that would be a good idea ?
look like cheap shit with awful writing
No.32201
>>32050Apparently the NCR is in the show. Can't wait to see them ruin the west coast.
No.32202
They're going to make the west coast super mutants into cannibalistic raiders, aren't they. Just completely undo one of the best pieces in Fallout development.
No.32226
>>32225FO3 deviated so much from the Fallout canon, it might as well be called a reboot.
Tactics had some contentious moments, but still followed the canon well.
FO:BOS is an abomination in every respect and is not to he touched ever.
No.32230
>>32199It should be killed with fire.
No.32232
>>32231>next timenever gonna happen anon
No.32233
>>32232How so? They're owned by a different company now, they may actually do something different for once. Reminder that Bethesda was owned by Cinemax before Micro$oft aquired it. I hate Micropenis as much as the next guy but it can't get worse than fucking Cinemax, can it- Oh, wait, Redfall…
Well, at least they've already reached rock bottom, there's nowhere to fall but up.
No.32234
>>32233The blame in that also goes mostly to Cinemax tho
No.32235
>>32233And Starfield sucked brahmin nuts also. At this point it is just hopeless to wish Bethesda will get better due to anything but the slim chance of actual internal restructuring effort, which I doubt will happen as long as their profit margins keep rising.
No.32238
>>32235Wasn't Starfield in development before their aquisition also?
No.32240
>>32238If you mean in conception, then it was since Daggerfall as Todd's amorphous idea of a space RPG.
If in development, then it was slowly retooled from FO4 since the latter was released.
No.32360
lel why are chvdcels so buttblasted that a woman will be the protagonist of the Fallout show, a series where every single game allows you to choose the gender, race and sexual orientation of your character?
No.32368
why does everything look so clean, even if some bits are intentionally fucked up looking in a very superficial way
this is what happens when people dont give a shit about set and costume design and just do it as generic as possible
also this is probably more of a tv general on /hobby/ topic
>>32360cuz woman
No.32369
>>32368I mean to be fair the 'fallout aesthetic' of all settlements still looking like shit after 200 years isn't exactly realistic either
No.32396
>>32385That was not really template but retard opinion still because retrofuturistic aesthetic was originially in, but it was not as on-the-nose and actually made sense (semi-conductors and transistors did not become widespread in Fallout timeline, so a lot of mass produced stuff uses vacuum tubes and magnetic tapes instead).
No.32397
>>32372The "Seinfeld isn't funny" effect does it again.
No.32398
>>32395Even Capital Wasteland's justification in the form of being the ground zero is flimsy, because even if it got scorched into oblivion, a span of 236 years should have been enough for the radiation to subside and people to build settlements that are not just flimsy lumps of aircraft debris.
Bethesda's creative team can collectively eat a dick for handling Fallout like they did and still do, as if turning their own fantasy series into generic shit was not enough for them.
No.32399
>>32398Was it ever explained why Bethesda decided to change setting from right after the war to post-Fallout 2 mid development?
No.32400
>>32399And nevermind, it wasnt actually supposed to, its just a myth, although I certainly understand how it came to be.
No.32404
>>32028I knew this was going to be bad when I first heard about it, because Bethesda just on a very basic level doesn't understand Fallout, but damn getting through that was tough. everything about it looks bad from the plot itself which is basically Todd Howard making the same Fallout for like the fourth time now – ooooh le Vault Dweller™ has to join the epic heckin wholesome adventures of le Brotherhood of Steel™ – to the actual visuals in the trailer. I don't know how to even describe it but it all looks so fucking uncanny, like plastic. doesn't help that the colors are all way too over saturated and that it somehow looks both cheap as fuck with horrible CG yet also over produced.
why the fuck do people still consume Bethesda slop
No.32412
>>32404>why the fuck do people still consume Bethesda slopPeople consoom. Most people play what's popular, not what's good-quality. Late-stage capitalism.
No.32416
assaultrons make my dick hard
you can't beat that
No.32418
>>32416gud taste to be tbf
No.32442
>>32425Why do people talk about Bethesda as if it had some pre-Morrowind golden age and post-Morrowind decline, when really, Morrowind is the only outlier in their RPG portfolio, shallow and buggy has always been their MO.
No.32444
>>32443Every TES game is rich in different mechanics, nobody can accuse Skyrim of not having enough stuff in it, but those mechanics lack in complexity or integration into each other. Daggerfall is the most "size of an ocean, depth of a puddle" game ever.
No.32445
>>32444>most "size of an ocean, depth of a puddle" game ever.That would be Spore. But yeah, I guess thats the main issue the series has is that basically every system is by itself and does not really synergize with the other ones nor the story. I do not remember much checks for skills other than speech being used in the dialogues, nor do a lot of skills besides the thief ones interact with each other much. For example, a check for breaking down a door with a blunt weapon could have benefitted pure warrior characters, yet you have only exactly one option for door opening and it hurts the roleplay in return.
Also Daggerfall in particular suffered from a pretty basic plot revolving around doing a series of fetch quest for whatever side you choose, and other than that you have not much of engaging characters and side-stories to go through besides vampirism and lycanthrooe cure. Morrowind improving on this as well as the setting itself is one of the reasons it is eetimes considered better than Daggerfall.
No.32507
finally watched it…. it just looks like generic streaming slop.
No.32519
>>32199>>32231To be entirely fair to Bethesda (and only on this point), they didn't start this obsession, Interplay was even worse before they shut down. Canonically, the BoS was supposed to by and large control America (and get into conflict with Post-Apokalypse China), but they were REALLY spiteful little shits about FO:BoS doing awfully, to the point of claiming that they were cancelling Van Buren to do BoS2.
No.34478
>It's also solely based on Fallout 4
If only. It shat all over the good Fallouts, lmao.
No.34481
>>32372>3D game looks better than 2D gametoo bad the dogwater storytelling trumps the visuals
No.34482
>>32028Didnt need to know this exists.
Glad my brother is dead so he's spared his low self control leading to inevitably watching this..
Anons just respect yourselves and don't.
No.34484
>>32519I never played FO:BoS, what is a lore justification for that, by the time of Fallout 2 Brotherhood was reduced to a secondary power.
>>32372Thats a nice opinion you have there, but Fallout was wannabe Mad Max wasteland only in the first one.
No.34489
>>32519I'm not sure if what you say about the BoS controlling all of America is true, but you sort of have a point that Interplay also engaged in Brotherhood wanking. The Midwest BoS in Tactics, for example, ends up controlling the entire region eventually.
However, there's a good lore reason for that which is that the Midwest BoS chapter is very different from all other chapters by not being isolationist nor autistically obsessed with hoarding (military) tech. They trade resources and tech with other towns/factions, are willing to permanently lord over and establish control over territory, and they allow and recruit in tons of outsiders to the point that it becomes mostly composed of them.
>>34484The BoS weren't really a major power in 1 anyway. at least not relatively since 2 has the NCR. Really there weren't any "majors" in the first game based on the fact that it has been less than 100 years after the Great War.
>>32231No, that's a petty recrimination no different from what Bethesda did in the movie and would just solidify the "Obsidian likes NCR, and Bethesda likes BoS" meme. BoS can be good if you keep them as that secondary "weird hermit monks with high tech and power armor" faction, and if you want them more powerful and influential than that then you'd provide a good reason as to why just like what Interplay did to the Midwest chapter.
No.34490
>>34479You know, the NCR getting fucked was part of the plan Interplay/Obsidian had for the future of that side of America but it's so stupid that thanks to Bethesda and Amazon it's just something that happened completely in the background.
No.34494
>>34492It's a shame the film adaptation flunks in so many aspects.
No.34497
>>34491TBF I don't think Bethesda has any say in this part actually. The writers just do what they want and I think it's just shit writing.
No.34499
>>34495tim cain said he really enjoyed it, fwiw
No.34502
Also considering Fallout has been reduced to mere aesthetics and brand identity I'm surprised they barely showed any of the game's monsters in the show - they didn't even show deathclaws beyond a skull of one.
No.34506
>>34499also said he didnt follow the story at all and mostly liked the props, actors and vibes
I dont think tim cain is a writer anyway
No.34508
>a bunch of people notice timeline inconsistencies and point them out, saying the writers didn't do their homework
>everybody praising the show is using the ToXiC fAnBaSe buzzwords against people who don't like the retcons/contradictions
Are the fallout fans harassing the actors or something? Feels kind of ridiculous to lump people in with the star wars fans or whatever being a bunch of racist shits.
No.34509
>>34508you just now realised that every show/movie/game/etc ever that gets criticised tries to pull the 'female ghostbusters' movie trick?
No.34510
>>34508It's all paid articles.
No.34513
>>34508I'm not even a lorefag, I just think the writing is your average post-2010 Hollywood-tier garbo. I hate boring more than inconsistent. It wiped clean most of the established locations and replaced them with a watered-down version of Fallout. They should've left that side of the American coast alone.
No.34515
>>34514Not everything needs perpetual sequels tbh.
No.34516
Will the NCR rises from the ashes, Will they fight the rats of the vault tec? I godanm wish for a new californian imperium and the peoples war agaisnt the brotherhood and the enclave
No.34534
>>34533lol. yeah it really is. how fucking lame.
No.34536
>>34533>rowling momentperfect comparison, right down to completely misreading the bad politics/optics of it
No.34537
>>34533>lead designer and lead writer of FO3, FO4, Skyrim and StarfieldHahaha, holy shit.
No.34538
>>34537It's kind of heartbreaking that there's so many autistic weirdos that love these franchises yet creative control ends up resting in the hands of these empty suits that have no ideas other than just the most generic plots and motivations that make no sense.
No.34540
>>34539I like that a lot of people thought he was joking, that he was doing "artillery-level posting", but then Emil posts a 3-tweet long apology.
No.34544
(Ron Pearlman voice) Nothing… Nothing ever happens…
No.34580
>>34579I haven’t bothered in a decade
No.34581
>>34578>>34579>>34580Nvrmnd
Poodlawker has me covered
No.34587
>>34581IDK why people use these sites, the quality is bad and they freeze up too often, you do you though. qbittorent has a free search engine in it though
No.34596
>>34587Yeah, I got off to a rough start, but after I closed it out and came back, it streamed smoothly. Aside from the occasional hooker pop up, whenever I paused or clicked on the next chapter.
But I haven’t pirated in years, because I’d keep downloading malware. It’s not worth the grief that comes with it, in the long run.
I have enough money to support creators now. But Amazon is the exception. I’m willing to pay extra to not use them.
No.34604
>>34599I’d like to know how easy/hard it is for non gamers to follow.
Personally, I had my eyes peeled for eggs and they were all obvious to me.
No.34605
>>34604The series advertised itself as being for both fans and non-fans but imma be honest, I have no idea how a person who has never played Fallout is supposed to know what the fuck is going on half of the time. Like the series kind of already expects the audience to know what Vaults, the BOS, ghouls, the NCR etc. already are and does very little to explain the backstory and lore of most factions and places.
No.34606
>>34605>The series advertised itself as being for both fans and non-fansAnd as usual it's so watered down it pleases nobody.
No.34610
>>34608JUST HIRE OBSIDIAN FOR A SPINOFF AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!
No.34614
>>34606Most of the reactions seem to be positive tho?
No.34616
>>34608>>34610fr, bethesda is a billion dollar company. they could easily contract a smaller and more capable dev studio to actually make the games. fuck, just hire modders.
No.34622
>>34621if the lorefags are to be believed, it is an alternate canon
No.34623
>>34606I thought it was excellent. They totally nailed the humor.
I just think they fumbled the lore and world building. It’s incompatible with the game.
No.34624
>>34623Honestly it's pretty shocking they didn't completely fuck up the humor. It feels more than a little "reddit-ified" but it's still distinctly Fallout.
No.34625
>>34621The one that bothers me most is the ghouls being invincible.
I killed thousands of them, no problem.
No.34626
>>34625I think it's just The Ghoul who tanks bullets. Other ghouls die easily. He probably just has super high endurance.
No.34629
>>34628I didn't watch that far but that sounds dumb
No.34630
>>34629Sorry if I spoiled it for you.
But all I can say, is it’s only dumb if they’re serious about making it canonical with the games.
No.34631
why do redditors love lolsorandom """deconstruction""" humor
No.34633
>>34621>I don't like any of this shit but still I sorta respect the show for being this ballsy and not afraid to make drastic changes to an already established lore.you say this like all the bethesda fallouts havent been watering down the series from the beginning lmao
No.34634
>>34630>Sorry if I spoiled it for you.I don't care lol. What works about the show is more in the delivery than clever twists. I already know the big ones.
No.34642
>>34633It's one thing when Bethesda retcons shit like when was Jet invented and by whom in one of the games. It's another thing entirely when the companion tv series answers long held questions like who started the war or decides which endings are the canon ones for each game.
No.34643
>>34641You're just noticing this? There's a powerful culture of anti-intellectualism in burgerstan. It's not just about media, it's about anything. If you know more than the bare minimum you're a nerd. If you care more than the socially prescribed amount you're cringe. Ask any autistic person how normies behave when they find out about someone's special interest lmao.
No.34644
>>34628That guy only gains the super-healing abilities after turning into a Ghoul with the potion given to him by the mysterious witch doctor character, which probably gives you different physical properties than normal ghoulification via rads exposure.
I think the implication is that Ghoulggins also drank the same potion as a way to extend his life and find his frozen family but this is going into headcanon territory.
No.34645
>>34641i wouldn't trust your conclusion: i could see myself being vitriolic for (a) amusement and (b) to bring down people who come across as thinking that knowing lore makes them better than others, despite being the kind of person to spend hours reading bullshit lore online myself.
(a few times i've found myself playing devil's advocate for the show on /v/, it's a fun challenge when you haven't seen it.)
No.34646
>>32029why does it have a water jacket when it's a shoulder fired gun clearly not intended for sustained fire? it also has cooling fins which might suggest air cooling like a Lewis gun but there's clearly a fill cap on that shroud
also why is there a front post seemingly at the same height as the optic?
>>34493>picmore importantly why do they have to carry the bags when knights literally have powered armor that can easily lift hundreds of kilos if not several tons, other than as a penal measure?
>>34621>not afraid to make drastic changes to an already established lore<implying the writers care about the lore No.34648
>>34646>more importantly why do they have to carry the bags when knights literally have powered armor that can easily lift hundreds of kilos if not several tons, other than as a penal measure?i think they were trying to make a joke about using companions to carry all your shit in the games but had to choose the dumbest example for it
No.34651
>>34644You see Ghoulggins riding a horse through a nuclear bombardment in the prologue of the show (with his daughter). Surely that implies he was ghoulified by radiation exposure like standard ghouls.
No.34654
>>34649FO1
>I'm going to find a water chipFO2
>I'm going to find a GECKFO:T
>I'm going to find out where all those robots are coming from No.34655
>>34651A lot of Ghoulggins's backstory is kept vague, either to keep the mystery of his character or as sequel bait. Can't say for sure either but I don't think he turned into a Ghoul during the horse ride while the nukes were going off in the background.
Again, this is basically my headcanon but I believe he took his daughter to Vault 31 (or some other Vault-Tec secret facility) to put her into cryo-sleep, was denied entry himself and later turned into a Ghoul.
No.34661
>>34644That’s fine for the show. I’m willing to grant them artistic license to do whatever they want to tell a good story.
I still don’t want invincible ghouls in the game.
No.34664
>>34663not saying it's good, just that ship has already sailed
No.34671
>>34662I don’t see your point. Was he invincible or something?
No.34673
>>34621Vault-Tec dropping the first nuke was going to be in the cancelled Fallout movie while the franchise was still at Interplay. So for all the shit you can give Bethesda vidya, the set dressing is consistent.
No.34682
>>34671he lived for 200 years without food or water (ghouls can't do that according to the original and subsequent games)
No.34684
>>34683the whole point is that it was post-post apocalypse. only the bethesda games are "immediately post-apocalyptic"
this makes sense the moment you ask why fallout 3 takes place more than a hundred years after the war yet everything still looks like the bombs dropped yesterday.
contrast NV: things are unstable, but you've got civilization down. there are farms, Goodsprings is basically an ordinary town, there's a
prison system for god's sake. this is civilization - it turns out people won't live for generations in a bombed out house without, for a moment, thinking: should we maybe fix the roof? and while we're at it, maybe we should remove the centuries old skeleton from the inexplicably-still-partially-padded living room sofa?
No.34685
>>34683Did you not play Fallout 1 & 2?
No.34692
>>34684>maybe we should remove the centuries old skeleton from the inexplicably-still-partially-padded living room sofa?ugh, I'll do it later. gawd! get off my back
No.34697
>>34495>>34499This is why you shouldn't glorify certain people involved in the collaborative creative process as the word of god whether George Lucas or Tim Cain. The original Fallouts were made by various people and that is what made them great not Tim Cain being some auteur which he never has been.
No.34714
>>34697When an author agrees with my opinion:
>Based! Their word is infallible. Sorry but everything they say is canon and official.When an author doesn't agree with my opinion
>They didn't make the work alone, stop worshipping creators. Death of the author rules! No.34716
>>34714So you disagree that the first Fallout games were made by a clusterfuck of people just like pretty much all AAA games?
No.34719
>>34714>Death of the author rules!did tim cain even write anything
No.34722
>>34716I'm saying that if Tim Cain had shitted on the show you would be cheering because an OG Fallout guy validated your opinion.
No.34723
>>34722Not really. I don't like Tim Cain in the first place. Or Avellone. Maybe Josh.
No.34724
>>34719pretty sure he wrote the "war never changes" speech, and he had the final say on everything that went into the first game
No.34725
>>34724Tim Cain is a good programmer/coder but a terrible writer and designer. Trapped in the past in all the most boring ways possible and thinks all games should be inperceptibly minute variations of GURPs. You won't find anything of value in a game he himself has any control over, and The Outer Worlds is one of them.
No.34849
>>34848also josh is very chill and has a good perspective on things
>“There are things that I might watch and say, ‘I don’t think I would have taken this that way’, and then there are other things that I think are really cool. But it’s not my space, it was never my thing. I was a guest working in it. So I try to keep a level of distance between myself and the setting.”https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/whatever-the-fallout-tv-show-does-with-new-vegas-lore-josh-sawyer-doesnt-care-it-was-never-mine:(
>>34499>>34697what tim cain really said was that lore drift is inevitable in long-running franchises, that bethesda decides the story's direction now, and that his opinion doesnt matter any more than yours (referring to og Fallout fans)
the same guy who had serious issues with fo2, self-professed that he compartmentalizes every sequel game as being not part of "his" fallout, and "politely disagrees" with bethesdas idea about who dropped the bombs when the reveal of who dropped the bombs is like the whole thrust behind what the fallout show culminates in thematically
basically, people saying cain uncritically praised the show and gave it his endorsement are being a bit disingenuous at best, because it comes with the massive asterisk that he has never held any fallout content as corroborative with his first game regardless
No.34852
>>34621Didn't confirm vault tec dropped the bomb. It confirmed they had this intention.
I liked the show but I'm no lore master, I only played 4 and new Vegas and read the wikia and watched some videos on the older games
No.34853
>>34736BOS is established to not value the lives of the prospective squires, instantly sending "Titus" a replacement, no questions asked. They don't even bother teaching them what sex is. They probably just can't be bothered to care about that stuff.
>>34852It's implied Vault-Tec didn't drop it because they would have been more prepared if they did. Like why would you have people rushing to get in the Vault in FO4 or in the show? They would have known it was happening and been able to give advance warning.
No.34854
>>34621>Hell, it's very likely FNV ain't even canon anymore due to all the retcons to the timeline and Mr. House's backstoryyou can feel Todd howards influence in this.
No.34855
Corporate products shouldn't count as canon.
No.34857
>>34621>Gonna be a bitch to write Fallout 5 with all these new additions tho.Is the show actually canon to the mainline games?
No.34861
>>34860JESSE WE NEED TO COOK JET
No.34863
>>34857Todd says everything is canon, for what that's worth.
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