No.33164
I bet you none of these fanboys even bothered to try the game out, it's like if the Sonic fandom decided to harass the devs of Freedom Planet because it's "plagiarizing classic Sonic" or some shit.
Valid criticism of the game would be pointing out that it was released while the devs still have Craftopia in Early Access.
No.33165
an ex acquaintance of mine, whom is a life-long fan of pokemon, and has in the past used their platform to rail against intellectual property as bourgeois, has been utterly brainblasted by this "discourse" and somehow reversed literally all of their long held opinions just to die defending nintendo and its capital.
No.33170
Nintendo does not give a fuck about a game that's closer in gameplay to Ark because it has Totally Not Salazzle but pink and Totally Not Wooloo but bipedal running around. Honestly, finding out it's just a survival game with a few quirky mechanics put me off of it, but something this shameless about aping other games existing and doing well is hilarious, and it's sad that it somehow managed to be less buggy on launch than Scarlet/Violet.
No.33171
>>33163My friend says we should play this, he's such a trend hopper
No.33172
The games okeyish I guess. Not impressive and can’t really be compared to Pokemon since the mechanics are very different. But it works as a showing of what could be, if gamefreak spent more time working on their games.
No.33178
>>33177I mean this game isn't really a 'pokemon alternative' the gameplay is completely different
No.33180
>>33178Yeah it’s also clearly directly ripping designs and mechanics from other games like Elden Ring and Ark. I admire it for not even attempting to have an original idea.
No.33181
>>33180I can't say I do, it just seems like more streamer shovelware that'll be forgotten in a few months but what do I know.
No.33182
>>33180Just like Bethesda the past decade tbh.
No.33185
All pastiche is now AI or plagiarism that deserves to get sued to oblivion now. Still haven't seen any evidence, only rumors. Social media really has done a number on artists.
No.33186
>>33183i like the 69th one thats just a sex joke
No.33187
dun like that the game has guns. realistic guns. and you shoot the guns at the cute cartoon creatures. that's just weird in this sort of game.
No.33188
>>33180>I admire it for not even attempting to have an original idea.in the end every game is just ripping off from another game to the point that there is no such thing as a original idea in gaming unless it's doom, because between heaven and hell only doom is the orginal one.
No.33189
>>33188I mean obviously nothing is ever entirely original but there's degrees to it, come on
No.33190
>>33188Palworld is made of stuff that feels like direct lifts from other games without any attempt to make them different than the original or even really fit into the setting. Like there are just boss prisons from Elden ring straight up. You teleport inside and the fromsoft area transition text comes up. But it’s just a Pokémon inside and not an Elden ring boss.
No.33191
Didn't Nintendo just make a big pokeymans game that was a total disaster? This is probably a factor in the butthurt.
No.33192
>>33189i dont really care about "plagiarism", especially not of million dollar ips
No.33193
>>33192I'm not offended on their behalf but I just think it looks lazy and bad like I say
No.33194
>>33193i mean lots of games do but this one is getting all the attention now
No.33195
>>33190FromSoft stole from Berserk.
No.33196
just played for like 3 hours
It's pretty good for early access
No.33206
people have went from "it's a shameless ripoff of pokemon" (true) to "the pals are all AI generated" to now "the devs just wholesale ripped models from pokemon and tweaked them" i don't get what about this game has uyghas salivating to defend nintendo's IP rights
No.33209
>>33207AAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEE HBOMBERGUY STOP THESE FIENDS
No.33211
>>33210Digimon came before Pokemon.
No.33212
>>33211Yeah this is a lot like coming out to defend Disney when somebody makes a new adaptation of an old fairy tale because people think Disney invented it.
>>33209He would but it turns out that it turns out that it turns out that it turns out that it turns out that
No.33213
Looks like dogshit
No.33214
>>33195If you are making this comparison I think you haven't played Palworld and do not know how derivative it is. It's almost as if it was a creative choice *to not spark any creativity*. You won't see influence, inspiration, homage, or even "stealing" as the saying about great artists goes. Just play it and you'll see that it's a timewaster that is self-consciously mashing together every contemporary trend in gaming and could be AI-generated.
No.33215
>>33163Nintendo fans can die in a fire along with their oh-so-precious IPs. They want me so much to treat Nintendo games as masterpieces while they also use these games as a trojan horse for legal threats. Might as well not even bother with these games, games like DMC5 and A Hat in Time are also very cool. Like, there are so many fun and creative games to play and yet only Nintendo's games are put on a pedestal, I do not understand.
No.33217
>>33211>>33212Pokemon is older than Digimon.
No.33223
>>33215It's crazy how they're framing Porky A ripping off Porky B as being artists being screwed over as if they have any ownership of the art Nintendo tells them to make, and if someone points that out to them they go into a spiel of "It's about artistic integrity and the artists who made it!" At this point I'm fully expecting some corporation to lobby for even worse IP legislation under the guise of protecting artists and this camp to just eat it up.
No.33229
>>33223Can anyone actually link popular tweets that are actually offended on Nintendo's behalf rather than just mocking this game for being unoriginal? Otherwise I'm forced to assume this is just yet more bad faith shit from people that pathologically hate artists
No.33230
>>33223What I'm asking myself now is: just how much does Nintendo screw over its audience? Is Switch Online backlog just as shitty? The hardware, game store and netplay sure are shitty still, Steam Deck is still way better. And if netplay is shit then why would anyone even play Ultimate or Splatoon 3 online? Why play Ultimate when you can play Project M which is even more fun mechanically? Or if you don't care about Ultimate then there's Rivals of Aether. And
WHY did they get rid of Miis? Everything that Nintendo provides other than games is inferior and yet people keep bringing them money. Switch is basically a singleplayer indie game system now.
It feels like not only their copyright policy is getting worse, it's also the products they're offering that are getting worse. I'm thinking to myself: why do people support this? Why do people give them money? Is what they're offering really worth the price? What has Nintendo ever done for us?
No.33231
>>33224If you have actually played Palworld you would realize it's brazen to the point of being a middle finger to the idea of having an original idea.
I don't care about IP at all. I think, though, that we should encourage people to be creative and create new things. This seems to be something people in general want to happen, and I'm not alone here. But this is an example of an aggressive rebuke of that concept. These guys just want to cash in on trends and secure a bag. Its not an example of people loving games making games, or something like that.
No.33232
I honestly don't think there is anything worthwhile about any design decision in the game. It's a slur against art and creativity. Sorry, but the IP guys are right, even if it's just by accident.
No.33233
I don't give a fuck.
Nintendo games saved me when I was in a dark place. They were my childhood and my adulthood. I owe nintendo my life and honestly? So do you probably, you ungrateful piece of shit. So that's why I'll die fighting for them, because evil little cunts want to fuck with them despite the good they've done, despite all the people they've saved, despite all the lives they've changed for the better.
I am Link and you are Ganon, so taste my master sword bitch.
No.33234
>>33230>It feels like not only their copyright policy is getting worse, it's also the products they're offering that are getting worse. Don't forget the stick drift problem.
No.33235
>>33232>the IP guys are right, even if it's just by accidentBut they are making a separate argument you dumbfuck.
<IP is good when I feel something is "artistically bankrupt" No.33236
>>33231I will not play the game. Look at the picture.
No.33237
>>33229>I NEED to have an opinion on this so I'm going to preemptively argue against something nobody has saidjesus christ lol
No.33238
just found out the devs are japanese, talk about playing with fire
No.33240
>>33237Multiple people in this topic are arguing against supposed Nintendo fanboys that are saying this game should be sued, they wouldn't just be arguing with a strawman they made up in their head…. right?
No.33241
>>33240>they wouldn't just be arguing with a strawman they made up in their head…. right?Nope. I searched for "nintendo should sue" and got these in the first page.
<Tbh, they should sue over designs, who cares about the game everyone can reimagine It in their on way, but designs? Fuck that shit, your stealing artists work and if you can do that with fucking Nintendo Imagine doing that with a small companyhttps://nitter.net/lorr209/status/1749876313278538111#m<They're blatant rip-offs and Nintendo should sue hard.<I can't play a game, let alone respect it, when it pulls shit like this.https://nitter.net/mikestinctively/status/1749587744521912434<I'm genuinely really hyped to see Nintendo sue palworld into utter oblivion. Copyright law is misused so much it's nice when you occasionally get to watch it work the way it should.https://nitter.net/mute__spectre/status/1749565463758291323#mIt was even worse at first, now you'll mostly see people making fun of them.
No.33242
>>33239I've seen idiots hyperventilating at the idea that there's people out there who'd play this niche as fuck indie game and think they came before the massive multimillion dollar IP known as Pokemon, lmao.
<This is not off brand art made by two people, this is an entire parasitic ecosystem that really on consumer confusion, shovelware, asset flip, content thief, rugged pulled (the company dabble in cr*pto) to make a quick buck. No.33243
>>33241>3 likes between all of those comments and no retweetswow
No.33245
>>33243>get proven wrong>immediately copeYou really need to have an opinion, do you?
No.33246
>>33240>Nintendo fanboys that are saying this game should be suedNow that's a strawman. No one said that nintendo fanboys are calling for nintendo to sue the game. Though, it's also not even solely nintendo fans who're acting like this about it either. It's the hysteria over it that's insane where they're acting as if some knock off being a success is some public moral failing that we need to have a way to protect artists from this happening again on top of just saying lies about it to justify their reaction.
No.33247
>>33245I said popular tweets
>>33229 the people in this topic are acting like this is a serious thing a decent number of people think
>>33246Ok let me see how many people said people said Nintendo should sue over this
>>33185>>33215Well that's at least two and many more posts saying that people are 'defending IP' even though I see no evidence of that either
No.33248
>>33247lmfao defending ip is even broader than "wanting nintendo to sue" so yeah, you can bet your ass even more people are doing that too
https://nitter.net/lglizard/status/1748845140658024816#mwhole twitter thread with almost 5k retweets. this not popular enough for you princess?
No.33249
>>33242how to easily make successful outrage bait on artist adjacent circles: bring up ai and nfts
No.33250
>>33247The first post is talking about the general attitude people have for derivative creations, and the second is specifically refers to nintendo themselves taking legal action over their properties. No one's saying that nintendo fans are calling for nintendo to do something about pokemon with guns+ark survival evolved.
>posts saying that people are 'defending IP'I'd say conflating knock off designs with plagiarism, among other things, and how "something" needs to be done to protect artists and artistic integrity is in that realm, yes.
No.33257
>>33234>Don't forget the stick drift problemAh, yes, that too. And they just expect us to buy their plastic? The bar has become so low.
No.33270
>>33183A lot of these are pretty bad but just as many are clearly reaching. Like ffs incinegoat (second from top left) looks more like houndoom than it does fucking zoroark
No.33272
>>33163apple fans are worse
No.33273
>>33231the game does nothing original yet does everything better than most games. I don't really give a fuck about how "creative" or "innovative" a game is, I only care about how fun it is, and so do 90% of consumers.
No.33274
>>33248Most of the comments are criticizing them.
Yet another "controversial opinion"constructed as a bait topic by twitter wierdos. I'm going to ignore it.
No.33275
>>33231you can take out a gun and shoot the pokemon.
that's kind of different.
No.33279
>>33276Is this about the Pokemon mod?
No.33280
>>33276Holy shit, the obsession people have with this franchise wtf? Even I don't drool over Sonic that much. I still don't understand Pokememe, the only thing I care about related to it is porn. SMT looks way cooler.
It's just… It's just a video game… Like… who cares?
No.33281
>>33276Lol at the retards saying the Nintendo simp snitches are an insignificant minority.
No.33282
>>33276This is soulless legalese for "stop bothering us, we ain't doing shit".
No.33290
i don't care i wilbuy the game when someone mods in actual pokemon designs so i can punch the shit out of jigglypuff
No.33291
>>33290getting revenge from your melee days huh
No.33306
on one hand you have people defending a billion dollar company
on the other hand you have unironic retards shilling asset flipped, early access slop
also are people forgetting that everyone spent the last few years shitting on the new pokemon games that came out?
No.33309
>>33306Point toward any assets that were flipped.
No.33310
>>33309you can easily tell by how the characters, monsters and the environment don't look like they have a cohesive style
characters look like they're from fortnite
you have the obvious pokemon knockoffs
and the environment has this high-res realism look like it's a pre-made asset in unreal or some shit
No.33312
>>33311>Point toward any assets that were flipped>gives you several examples>n-no that doesn't count!slop eaters really are something
No.33313
>>33312uh since when is conjecture acceptable evidence anywhere
No.33314
>>33310that's literally not what an asset flip is.
Every game uses free assets, every single one. The grass is probably a default asset from the unreal store.
Saying "this looks bad" doesn't mean the game is an asset flip.
>An asset flip is a type of shovelware in which a video game developer purchases pre-made assets and uses them to create numerous permutations of generic games to sell at low prices.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_flipIf you can find another game that is coded exactly like Palworld but with different assets, then you would be right to call it an asset flip. otherwise, you're just hoping on the "lets shit on this indie dev" train that's all over corporate cocksucking twitter.
No.33318
>>33314>An asset flip is a type of shovelware in which a video game developer purchases pre-made assets and uses them to create numerous permutations of generic games to sell at low prices.yes, that is palworld
also defending indie devs because they're indie is retarded
No.33336
>>33318You are a fucking imbecile.
No.33339
>>33185>All pastiche is now AI or plagiarismBased. In reality these "creative workers" produce trash commodities that indistinguishable from that of a soulless bot or lying hackfraud.
>>33214>Just play it and you'll see that it's a timewaster that is self-consciously mashing together every contemporary trend in gaming and could be AI-generated.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_of_Art_in_the_Age_of_Mechanical_Reproduction>>33273>I don't really give a fuck about how "creative" or "innovative" a game is, I only care about how fun it is, and so do 90% of consumers.<consumersNeoliberal NPC dialog, typical degenerate gamer
No.33341
>>33339That post was being sarcastic you dumb autist.
>Neoliberal NPC dialog, typical degenerate gamerYou need to go back!
No.33346
>>33306>early access slopi wouldn't call it an asset flip, but i can tell it's just not going to get finished
No.33367
>>33339>typical degenerate gamerI smell… a conservatard.
No.33389
>>33346I just think it's retarded because both sides are defending slop, and one is doing it by trying to paint it as being anti corporate
No.33391
>ITT a bunch of hipsters who need a moral reason to dislike something popular
No.33392
>>33391Open world survival crafting never really tickled me. Except Terraria, which had a groovy soundtrack, and even then, I haven't even broken 60 hours in it.
What's this "controversy" really about? People mad that a parody is flexing on the original?
No.33393
>>33392Terraria is not a survival game, it's an action RPG sandbox with crafting.
No.33394
>>33393Oh. Well, that's even worse, because the closest things are Don't Starve and ICED (which was neat).
No.33395
>>33392>What's this "controversy" really about? People mad that a parody is flexing on the original?People are upset because some of the models of the knock off pokemon may have been traced or heavily referenced from actual pokemon models when you look at them side by side, and then from there it became this thing about defending artists and artistic integrity.
No.33396
>>33394The closest comparison to Palworld is Arc survival, the most poorly optimized game ever developed. It's 300+ gbs of dead hopes and dreams that takes about 5 minutes to load on an NVMe, so really this game is just taking up the mantel of the niche of survival monster collector that was promised to be filled but wasn't.
No.33397
>>33395>Pokémon invented copying real natureI guess artists already starting to feel the squeeze of AI, they're jumping at anything. Good. Gooood.
No.33403
>>33396>It's 300+ gbs of dead hopes and dreams that takes about 5 minutes to load on an NVMeWell, Ark probably has multiple maps, and it's graphics look beter than Palworld. Judging by youtube, obviously. Animations in Ark look stupid like it's warcraft3, lmao
No.33413
its embarrassing to see alleged communists here be so emotional over some dumb IP tbh
No.33478
>>33207They also plagiarized the panda from real life!!!!!!
No.33556
>>33550If something is informative, it's never a waste of time. So it really depends.
No.33558
>>33556well it can still be a waste of time if the information is useless
No.33561
>>33558The worth of information is a relative concept that depends on your self-interests and circumstances. Of course if something is worthless to you specifically then you probably shouldn't watch it. Say, the knowledge of gardening does not interest me because I'm not a gardener and not interested in gardening.
No.33567
Nintendo fans are the Disney fans of gaming. I say this as a lifelong Nintendie.
No.33568
>>33567at this point I think most people understand you can like something but hate the fanbase
No.33571
>>33569>I hate Nintendo because they do not really want people to enjoy their gamesThe irony of it all is that Nintendo, at least according to the now-deceased Satoru Iwata, wants Nintendo games to be taken seriously, and yet they crush any labor of love their audience makes. Do they actually want to be well-respected as a game developer or do they want to keep Nintendo games isolated from the hardcore gaming croud? Or do they get enough profits from the brand loyalists? How much money do the brand loyalists bring them compared to casuals? I mean if they want to remain a brand for casuals and fanboys then that would 100% explain their practices, they don't give a shit about sane people or dedicated gamers. Complaining about it is useless then, we need to let go, they won't change because we're simply not their target audience and they don't care.
No.33572
>>33571 (me)
My policy is: play what you want on a console that you like from a company that you like. It is not "voting with your wallet," I just don't see any point of caring about what the companies you don't like do, it's all the Spectacle. It's like with SJWs: you're pissed off and upset at first but then you realize none of this shit actually matters. Nintendo is just one of many companies who act like this, and throwing your fists in the air in frustration will do absolutely nothing.
No.33573
>>33568Fandom hatred is a spook, one is not cringe just because they're a fan of something, it's all in your head.
No.33574
>>33569You can also hate the company while appreciating what their employees make. The suits don't make the games.
No.33575
>>33569The Nintendo game developers are very talented, that much is undeniable. Mario Odyssey, Mario Maker and Mario Wonder are wonderful games. It is a shame they're such greedy pigs.
No.33576
>>33575If anything you could be mad at Nintendo for hoarding the good developers. They have an absurd 99% employee retention rate.
No.33577
>>33576>They have an absurd 99% employee retention rateisn't that just because of japanese work culture?
No.33578
>>33577source (auto-translated)
https://biz-journal.jp/2023/08/post_358805.html>"The average new employee retention rate is about 70%, so 3% of new graduate employees will quit within 3 years。So I think 98.8% of Nintendo is a staggering number。98.8 vs 70 is 41% higher retention, or 96% lower loss.
No.33582
>>33556this is mostly an opinion of some dude rather than anything particularly informative, but time you enjoy wasting is never wasted time i guess
No.33589
>>33582>time you enjoy wasting is never wasted time i guessExactly, comrade. Well-said. Time wasting is relative.
No.33592
>>33575>It is a shame they're such greedy pigs.Like any other capitalists. Nintendo isn't unique, they just use the IP laws for securing their profits instead of Den*vo or microtransactions or games-as-a-service. I think Nintendo gets more flack than other companies simply because people have an attachment to their games so it feels like what they do is more cruel than any other rotting AAA publisher.
No.33595
>>33592Sega has SAGE Expo yearly. Countless Sonic fangames have existed since ever and Sega has hired fan developers more than once. Sonic-inspired games such as Freedom Planet are also allowed to sell for profit without any blowback from Sega.
No.33596
>>33595They also add Denuvo to their games and were caught red-handed on wanting to implement NFTs. So they still count.
No.33597
>>33595I mean TBF Freedom Planet isn't IP infringement and no court would rule it so just because it's 'Sonic inspired'.
vid unrelated
No.33598
>>33572I mean you can also just pirate switch games. Switch emulators are easy to run since the switch is a hilariously weak console.
No.33599
>>33598IDK, I tried to emulate Sonic Frontiers once to get around DRM and it ran at like 1 FPS
No.33600
>>33599How old is your pc?
No.33601
>>33599>I tried to emulate Sonic Frontiers once to get around DRM>to get around DRM>Sonic>DRMThat illustrates my point on how SEGA uses the same anti-consumer practices as anyone else. SEGA and Nintendo are two sides of the same coin in a sense that they both do shitty things but their fanbases close their eyes on them.
No.33603
>>33601 (me)
btw, you could've just pirated the PC version.
No.33605
>>33600idk about 5-6 years at that time
>>33603It has denuvo and wasn't cracked.
No.33606
>>33605it still isn't cracked now and it's been like 1.5 years
No.33607
>>33605Yeah my pc's about that old and i can't run anything newer than sword/shield. I need to upgrade but I'm low income and honestly just don't care enough about any new switch releases to bother.
Somewhat related but i was on Facebook (i know i know) and saw a post on this topic and one of the top comments was no joke basically saying Nintendo can release whatever and the people will buy it so stop complaining because that will never change. Imagine admitting that to yourself, out loud, and still thinking you have standards let alone principles. I'm not anti-consoomer but my god has burger consumer culture broken these people's brains. As if they'll keel over dead if they don't get the flashy new product everyone's talking about.
No.33608
>>33606A reason to despise SEGA with all the fibers of one's being. You can say goodbye to playing on a handheld.
No.33695
>>33605The Switch version runs worse than any other port.
No.33702
this game is dying as expected
from over 1 million to now 200,000. and its still dropping.
No.33703
>>33702numbers refer to playercount.
No.33705
>>33702The devs dragging their fucking heels with updates is likely the reason. I haven't even finished the game. Once you get to the third tower the game becomes a boring grind progression wise and the recent orb glitch made me rage quit before it was patched. No surprise most folks have moved on already.
No.33711
>>33705as expected, the dev abandoned his previous game. I dont expect anything different here.
No.33712
>>33711They might as well just retire, imagine how much money they must have made off this game.
No.33713
>>33712true but retiring will cause massive backlash. They will just fade into the background, collect more money, promise more updates, and keep milking it till the end.
No.33739
>>33702>be fotm >be early access survival crafting slop >game is only relevant because people think it's pokemon with guns>game starts dying when people realize it has no real staying poweri can't believe people fell for this shit
No.33740
>>33739well staying power is irrelevant to how good a game is unless youre one of those braindead online morons who want every single little thing to have a "fandom" lmao
also almost no game or media in general has staying power this past decade. new popular things come and go thanks to the breakneck speed of information under social media
No.33758
>>33733Believe me i want nothing more for this game to succeed. I'm hoping this motivates them to put their all into this rather than just cutting the check and running. You can't deny their track record is less than stellar though so I'm tempering my expectations.
No.33781
>>33758They finished their games, those just weren't successful
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