No.38614
This is England
The Believer
No.38616
>>38614>This is England Good movie. Seconding.
No.38617
>>38614>>38615all good movies, The Believer is incredible. Green Room is really good but its just a thriller with skinhead villians, which is fine but I wouldnt call it am especially "accurate" portrayal
No.38619
>>38615>>38618Green Room made me angry. Why the fuck did they give Nazis the gun?!
No.38621
>>38620it's a great movie, what are you guys talking about?
No.38623
>>38620lol the sailboat guy from mallrats, forgot he was in this…
No.38626
>>38624>when there's so much narrative opportunity with groups like Patriotic Alternative or how Neo-Nazi youths are creating groups like Sonnenkrieg Division?What does that even looklike though they are micro ideologies that thrive online and do not seek to create or thrive in a subculture or mass movement.
I guess something like Sala samobójców but that can only be done once and it'll probably be about Incels or a flat remake of previously mentioned movie.
No.38628
>>38613> far-rightFar-x is a liberal claptrap intended to play into le enlightened centrist rhetoric of horseshit theory. There is no far-right or far-left, the left-right political spectrum is divided into reactionaries (more hierarchy), centrists (maintain current hierarchy) and progressives (more equality).
No.38629
>>38628So you don't acknowledge the existence of Neonazis or whatever?
No.38630
>>38629I can't even begin to conceive how you came to that conclusion. "Your terminology is stupid" doesn't mean "the thing you use it for doesn't exist". Fascists are reactionaries, just like monarchists, theocrats and neoliberals.
No.38632
>>38621Only from a entertainment perspective. From an analytical perspective not at all. The problem with these sorts of movies is that they're not a very good portrayal of this kind of stuff if they are entertaining, if they're not there's no guarantee it will fair any better.
>>38622OP said neo nazi movies not incel core.
Though I don't blame you because Ryan Goslings entire filmography is 90% down on their luck mentally ill men, and 10% women power fantasies.
No.38633
>>38625You lost me at anime.
No.38636
>>38635The skinhead tattoo doesn't have much of an influence in the plot, other than a few close calls.
No.38637
>>38634> it effectively conveys that racism and neonazism specifically are bad. That's the problem, they don't, I got a "edit" of it in your vid recommended to me, nothing but faggy phonk music playing to Norton curb stomping.
No.38639
>>38621Nah, it was cringe. It does that insufferable liberal "cycle of violence on both sides" thing by having derek's lil bro killed by a black kid at the end.
No.38640
>>38637ok and? Just because Nazis can't into satire doesn't mean anything, that's the case regardless, they will look at anything where the nazis are obviously evil and be like 'whoa so cool'.
No.38641
>>38638Why are Fresh and Fit there, I know Myron wishes he was white and is racist, but I wouldn't call them Nazi's, more like new age theocratic patriarchal nonwhite Islamo-fascists. None of which are inherently pertinent to the Nazis, though they can be, but they clearly are not mixing any Nazi theory, just some fascist theory here and there from that one guy with the rip off Ye mask and Tate.
>We're at a point where anyone can become radicalized and become an active proponent of fascism.That is not what Nazism is.
No.38642
>>38641>new age theocratic patriarchal nonwhite Islamo-fascistsI don't care about ideological navelgazing, they're Nazis
No.38643
>>38642Ok that's fine, but then sit down and shut up while the actual scholars, historians, and anthropologist adults in the room discuss things until we tell you which fascists to shoot like a good boy.
Yes this post is intentionally written in the euphoric redditor style, but it is also post ironic, I see no reason not to be specific about political classifications because they're our enemies. Quite literally everyone left of radlibs is our enemy, grouping them together is just stupid. No.38644
>>38643I agree we should identify broad differences like conservative vs Nazis (even though they have more similarities than they would like to admit) but when someone's ideology is just full reactionary all the time for clout, that's Nazism and I don't care about the specifics
No.38645
>>38644Also they literally had Fuentes on multiple times as well as the chick on the show doing Hitler salutes, and other holocaust deniers as frequent recurring guests (Sneako)
No.38646
>>38644> full reactionaryDefine full reactionary. Is it just being anti lgbt? Anti trans?
>FuentesAssociating with Nazis is not gonna suddenly make everyone there a Nazi.
>Holocaust denial.Nor is sharing their beliefs.
There are too many differences to just say they're the same as the Nazi's Anon, to the untrained eye there might not be, but there are until every last one of these people comes out and starts calling for total Islamic-Nazism. Hell in many ways they've already out-reactionaried the Nazis but they don't share the beliefs and thus can't be called that. They can be called fascists, but not nazis.
No.38648
>>38646>Associating with Nazis is not gonna suddenly make everyone there a Nazi.If they run together they can lay together
No.38649
>>38648Agree but that isn't equivalent to "They're all Nazi's." A coalition between retards doesn't mean they must both have down syndrome.
No.38651
>>38647nvm, OP said he doesnt want 90's skinhead stereotypy
No.38652
>>38650>super fringe meme beliefsThe problem is that they are no longer fringe at all.
>shit ever went down that's exactly where they would stand.A fascist coalition? Still not Nazism. Especially not if you're conflating white supremacist ideologies judging by your pic related, which is questionable for the people who started this conversation, the Islamo-fascist manosphere.
No.38653
>>38652Aren't they basically incel/redpill/PUA people that pay loose women to be on their show though? Not exactly compatible with Islam
No.38654
>>38653Patriarchal islam in their worldview, no matter how contradictory is when men are in control, beat women, and are polygamists because men are naturally fuckboys or somethin, also they kill trans people.
>IncelsNot what that word means.
>Redpill/PUAThat they are yes.
No.38655
>>38654Are they actually Muslims though??
No.38656
>>38655I think a large chunk of them believe in family, traditionalism, and prayer to Islam and what not. As far as I know, Andrew doesn't drink anymore, at least as much as he used to and from what I can tell he hasn't in recent clips since his conversion to Islam, it's very tough to say if they are or aren't or what is or isn't allowed in Islamic law, but even their own followers have pointed out that he has done degenerate stuff for money before. It's only expressly non Muslims like Tristian and a few others who seemingly do drink and objectify whores they also fuck on the side for views and money that still do that kind of stuff. I would say it's mixed but the fact that it is garnering legitimacy, and has multiple actual Muslim followers who are falling for it, it just tells me that it's enough if that makes sense–
Wait why are you focusing on the Islam part of that? Islamic Nazism is a totally real thing, I'm saying they're fascist, not Nazis but are Islamic or Islamic theocrat adjacent.
No.38657
>>38639Agreed. That really pissed me off when I first watched it a few years ago. This movie is, ironically, propaganda. Minus the laundry black man that Derek befriends (Lamont) and the teacher (Dr. Bob Sweeney), minorities are the cause of his grievances, and the movie justifies it with the gang murdering his family and breaking into his car. Derek isn't ever properly defeated or made an ignorant fool for holding these resentments during the kitchen debate or the news interview scene. The only thing this movie does right is show that nazis can and will turn on each other (the rape scene). "You're not really one of us. You're not good enough." You either fold or become a traitor to your race and the group. This is a good historically based warning message, but I don't think most viewers will get that because they're not Nazis, let alone ones dealing with organizations or prison politics. Overall this movie doesn't seem to serve anyone.
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