No.6036
I really can't be arsed to make a new thread cause it auto-filled in the mod hash. Let it be known to everyone that the BO likes public transportation.
No.6037
>>6036<Let it be known to everyone that the BO likes to get railed.based
No.6044
bump
No.6045
>>6039>its a train>its a bus>its a railbusgenius!
now post railplanes and railboats too!
No.6046
>>6043under corbyn the lion will be a hammer and sickle
No.6048
>>6047I hate how people unironically think libshits are pro-transit when they just half-ass it and go for buses instead of trams.
No.6050
>>6039Don't post BART man I use it often, it's terrible and also overpriced.
No.6052
>>6051there's a game thread
>>27775 im more of an openxcom player
No.6054
>>6051nigga, we have /e/.
No.6056
>>6035This is the Bergen Light rail. I read somewhere that Lichtenstein has free public transportation, and are about to legalize cannabis. I saw the same kind of trams in a video from Switzerland a while back, but I don't know what town.
It's quite banal, public transportation. But it stimulates the economy. The Norwegian media is taunting the government, for their unsolicited mega expensive road upgrades with toll roads. What's more, the projects are outsorced to foreign disposable companies, when the money could have generated local jobs. Corruption, I call it, but if you talk about it, you're a marked man, socially. So the journalists make up indirect terms like smøring.
The narrative has shifted towards northern rail expansion. It's been planned for over a hundred years, but it never really materialized. Road work is tricky because the soil warps when it freezes and thaws, and the bedrock is so hard. Rocks have also been falling quite a bit since the glaciers got fewer.
These trams and the heavier (former) NSB locomotives, are completely electric, and powered by hydroelectric plants. The switching sounds from the motors fascinates me, so I'm doing a graduate degree in electronics. I've got a bit of cabin fever while waiting for the next semester to start, so I apologise for my verbosity.
The current government has restructured the entire shebang into something called vy, whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean, and charged millions to do it. Privatization of the English rail system is still controversial, so they called it konkurranseutsetting - exposure to competition. Whatever lines their pockets.
No.6059
>>6058Wisconsin here. Our governor vetoed a high speed train that would have gone from Chicago to Minneapolis in four and half hours. FOUR AND A HALF HOURS.
Pic related is our consolation prize. It goes less than 15mph and its tracks only cover less than a quarter of the city, which is a geographically small to begin with for "major city" standards. The part of the city the streetcar covers are the wealthy areas, not where anyone actually has to go for work.
Fuck Scott Walker.
No.6060
>>6059I mean the state legislature is the problem.
No.6061
>>6042Iirc, the SkyTrain uses a linear motor, which means the motor is actually split in two parts: an active part on board, driving the wheels, and a reactive part which is a kind of middle rail between the two where the wheels lay. The advantages are a smaller height of the train (which could save time and money if it's used as a subway by digging tunnels with a smaller radius), smaller weight and apparently they require much less maintenance than traditional rotary motors.A drawback is the high, screeching sound it makes - it's the same with low speed maglevs.
>>6049Brought to you by Hitachi Rail Italy aka AnsaldoBreda, renowned for this product - which is pretty dope - but also one of the shittiest trams ever plus a nice scandal involving the clogs when they sold them "high speed" trains litterally falling apart while testing.Iirc, the body is designed by Pininfarina, which is a nice way to throw away money in the project and btw, white is uneasy on the eye…
>>6056Those tram are made in Switzerland by Stadler, who is in part owned by an MP from a rightwing party…
I think the shit they are doing with the railways is the same thing EU member states had to do, but I don't know if Norway is under any obligation to adapt its laws also in this sector.And the privatisation in the UK has been an unmitigated disaster, except for the profiteers obviously.
>>6058Just another proof Burger republicans are subhuman tier.
>>6059Abolish Wisconsin.
>>6050All right!
No.6062
>>6047(0_0) Fellow Yinzer anon hello! We might have crossed paths at some point at one of the many leftist spots in the city. Thomas Merton Center, IWW meetings, Big Idea, etc. Anywho. I'm still waiting on that glorious spine line expansion out to Monroeville. I've always been jealous of folks in the south suburbs for having access to the train. It takes me 2 bloody hours to get into the city from where I'm at after after a 25 minute walk to the bus stop.
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~blelloch/spine.htmlImagine a fully expanded Pittsburgh subway/lightrail. I dream of it. I've also wondered if we could invent some form of light funicular to replace all the falling apart stairways around town.
No.6064
>>6035First two are how the trains look now
Third is during Tito Even though we have some "new" trains here these days, the railway and the trains in Serbia have been left to rust with barely any funding (and what funding they did get went into the pockets of a few individuals)
The trains in Serbia now go with the speed of 20-30 km/h
Sometimes when I go to Belgrade it takes me fucking 7hours on the train, while I can easily get there in 2 on the highway or around 3 by bus.
No.6066
>>6063We might well see a DSA mayor if the political situation here in the US continues to deteriorate. I'm cautiously supportive of them and hope they don't become the new democrats.That said comrade get involved if you feel ready and interested enough! Anarchists and democratic socialists are very active in the city by American standards and there are maoists and trotskyists bobbing about too. Pittsburgh's also the only city I know of that has active anarcho-transhumanists. They've got a free collaborative conference coming up next month if that's your thing.
https://www.pleasetrythisathome.netAge wise there's an on and off spokescouncil run by anarchist Pitt Students and there's a radical anarchist feminist group run by students too. I empathize with you being in my early 20s myself (inbetween millennial and zoomer) and when I started organizing myself 3 years ago I felt pretty bummed that most everyone was older than myself. Most leftist activists in the city seem to be in their late 20s and early 30s. If you're a teenager/in your early 20s there's a youth queerpunk open mic at The Big Idea Bookstore and Cafe every month.
http://www.queerpgh.com/queer-punk-slam-junk/The Big Idea is a good place to start organizing imo. The store always needs new cooperative members. It's run by experienced and level headed folks that have kept the place running for over a decade and you'll be exposed to all different sorts of ideas and people there. They've got a section for every major political ideology so it's not an echochamber.
>>6063 No.6069
Soviet trains?
No.6070
>>6065trains = totalitarianism
No.6072
The Moscow Metro is fucking glorious holy hell.Also Novoslobodskaya has a massive fucking mural of Lenin with a line from the Soviet anthem in I almost cried.
No.6077
>>6043I hope the Brits will fix their shit.
No.6078
>>6071>high lifespan>high rail densityIs Cuba, dare I say it, the Japan of the Americas?
No.6079
>>6076It really sucks how some of the tram revival projects in the US are just gimmicks and not meant as actual transportation to reduce car dependency.
No.6080
>>6078Cuba is still a functioning society
No.6082
>>6078Cuba isn't crumbling under the weight of its own idiocy
No.6084
>>6076American trains were glorious too
No.6085
bump
No.6087
>>6086Squidward Express. Seats in a train or bus should NEVER be perfectly parallel to each other. Look how the path to the door is limited in its width by the armrests and how on the left you basically have to share one of the armrests.
No.6088
>>6086>>6087It's the same bourg seating chart that gcp grey goes on about in his airline boarding video. Google it.
No.6089
>>6088What is it. I don't use Google or YT.
No.6103
>>6102It's not so bad, at least it shows they are trying new things re: mass transit and not afraid to admit that something didn't work out. Let a hundred types of public transportation bloom.
No.6104
>>6102Didn't the guy in charge was thrown in jail for corruption or executed? I can't remember
No.6107
>>6035I’m new to this board and the left in general, why are there so many people obsessed with trains?
No.6109
>>6107It's not specifically about trains. It's about transportation with low friction, and low labour cost. Trains require comparably few people to operate and the metal wheels on metal rails have very low friction and hence waste comparably little fuel.
No.6110
>>6041The Bolivian solution is super ingenious, in fact some other hilly cities of South America have implemented or are thinking bout implementing this system, like Bogotá, in Colombia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdTE4TCqkZo No.6111
>>6110These gondola system have existed for many decades, i wonder why this hasn't bean applied earlier, especially because it's low-cost.
No.6113
>>6107right wing people are obsessed with ugly and dangerous cars, whilst the true intellectuals prefer the fast, aesthetic and relaxing trains
No.6114
>>6107I know stuff like monorail and this are stupid and nowhere near as effective and efficient as a regular rail system but I'll always be a sucker for techno-futurist mass transit systems(exept the hyperloop, fuck the hyperloop)
No.6115
>>6107Because Chad Train
>follows its own schedule, doesn't care where you want to go>transports hundreds of proles at a time>time for proles to read, play chess or talk with one another and sharpen revolutionary mind>1000s of hp>phallic, long steely and hard>destroys every other vehicle it collides with>steel on steel low rolling resistance for max efficiency virgin car
>few hundreds hp at best>goes where its master directs it>play act autonomy, stuck in traffic jam>front is shaped like a face because it is for babies>shitty tires that blow out and wear out>a ton of steel to seat paltry five meatbags>isolates proles from one another, stresses driver No.6116
I wish I had a driver license and was't forced to use public transport which is even more expensive.
No.6117
>>6116I wish we had public transport where i live.
No.6121
>>6102>It was a really nice ideaCuck design. Should have never gone past the paper stage.
No.6122
>>6119THIS IS AMAZING HOLY SHIT
No.6124
>>6108That makes me wanna shoot myself
No.6125
>>6115Give a bus its own road and it's faster than a train in an urban environment. Bus rapid transit will be the main mode of transit in a socialist society.
No.6126
>>6124Makes me want to shoot them, in fortnite.
No.6127
>>6125The advantage buses have over tram and light rail is their ability to be in mixed traffic and have a flexible rout layout. If you go for a dedicated rout than buses loose out against trams and light rail, on speed (yes rail is faster), energy energy efficiency, comfort (smooth ride with no swaying), and operating cost (fewer maintenance cycles and longer lifespan of the equipment)
Buses are best suited for the lower capacity transport routs in places that have lower density of people living there, and as gap fillers for temporary peak transport needs.
Oh by the way i contradicted you on the speed issue because if your compare a 3 compartment segment bus (with 2 hinges) with a comparable capacity light rail, the light rail can go over twice as fast.
Now for the ideological reasoning, capitalists don't like light rail, because the labour inputs have a higher value add. Meaning you need to train people more, but they also add more economical value. Capitalists that mostly are short term minded don't like that rail has high initial capital cost and represents long term investments. Socialism does not have it's investment strategies limited to short-termism, but rather can select strategies for investment based on material conditions, and obviously prefers high value-add labour, because that is more economical.
For Areas with sufficient capacity needs, to justify rail construction, that is the preferred mode of transport, and obviously buses would be used for the lower density Areas where rail construction is not justified. There also are "trackless trams" (pic) that combine some of the features of buses and trams which might be worth considering as well.
No.6128
>>6127>Now for the ideological reasoning, capitalists don't like light rail, because the labour inputs have a higher value add.Capitalist countries rarely build BRT. Meanwhile, China is building a shitload of BRT. So too are Latin American countries.
No.6130
>>6035I'm doing my master's thesis in Model Predictive Control for a dynamic train cruise control. I am ascended.
No.6131
>>6129That looks like a heater/blower for defrosting the rails, not a jet.
No.6132
>>6131Looks like a fucking laser cannon to me.
No.6133
>>6131>>6132it's definitely a jet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AgfPXH0I2Ihere is one spinning up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ara0ZenCSe8My question is why they uses a jet for this it has to have an insane fuel consumption.
A simple spinning brush maybe combined with a heating element would be cheaper and use a lot less fuel.
No.6134
>>6116I have a car and use public transit whenever I do projects downtown. Its 8 bucks for a round trip to my job and back to the park in ride. Its $40 for a day to park. If I would get rid of my car in a heart beat if I knew I would never need it and could relay on public transit. Right now I'm waiting for the bus after getting off the tram. It'll hop onto the special carpool highway and speed past all the traffic and get me home 45 minutes earlier than if I had taken my car.
No.6137
>>6041>bus rapid transit<bourgeois
Buses are based m8
No.6138
>>6135maybe if those pods didn't look like gay nuggets.
No.6140
>>6135What's the point? Regular rail cars can have separate compartments for antisocial people, individual pods are just retarded and inefficient.
No.6142
>>6133They probably got it from surplus, so it's essentially free. Also, the fuel consumption probably isn't nearly as high as it isn't being used for propulsion - it's basically running on idle. That would seem to be case since the fuel tank is relatively small.
No.6143
>>6059What up fellow Wisconsinite.
Yeah The Hop literally takes me to only one of my regular bars.
Scooter really ruined the midwest.
No.6144
>>6140>What's the point? Regular rail cars can have separate compartments for antisocial people, individual pods are just retarded and inefficient.That's the point, you build the rails with "individualism characteristics", then you make the individual pods so people can experience the inefficiency, then they will let you put normal trains on the rails to fix efficiency. The end result is you got to put rails in the ground, without it getting killed off by dogmatic hyper-individualism, and you get to put trains on it because of it's efficiency. Granted you got some waste because it's trains with extra steps, but your can probably use some of the pods for maintenance and off hour service that has only few passengers. Even if you end up with unused rail-pods at the end it would still be more efficient than what exists currently.
pic unrelated
No.6148
>>6147More comfiness!
I think that it would be useful if there's a renaissance for narrow gauge trains that also have cargo compartments for bicycles, mopeds and even motorcycles (against a fee, of course to prevent wasteful overusage).
No.6151
>>6108Japan still has it's war criminal monarchy so idk if they're wrong.
No.6153
>>6108…..
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No.6154
>>6140Individual pods allow for the excitement of sex in public while remaining in a relatively private space. Compartments inside trains typically have a walkway on one of the sides so you cannot see out of both sides of the train which makes it less exciting.
No.6156
>>6155That car looks pretty narrow. Light rail?
No.6157
>>6156It's from Canada going through the rocky mountains, it looks like a normal train to me, maybe you're from a place that has extra wide trains ?
here pics from the outside of the train
No.6159
>>6057>In the U.S trolleys got straight up demolished and everybody was forced to buy a car and then be in debt exactly because of that forced purchaseEVERYONE! CHECK THIS PODCAST OUT! DISREGARD WHAT IT'S CALLED! EVERYONE LISTEN TO IT NAO!
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-neolib-podcast/e/62612673"Los Angeles Plays itself" (2003) is a good documentary that also adresses urban planning.
"Citizen Jane" (2017) too.
>>6149Why the relative huger loss in Northern Ireland? The Civil War?
No.6162
>>6115What do you think about trolleybuses?
They run on overhead power like a tram , but they use regular roads (or a special lane on a regular road) so they don't have the infrastructure cost of a tram, which makes them a good choice for lightly populated suburbs where the it would not be worth the cost of installing tram rails or a passenger train line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybus No.6163
>>6158Russia is basically locking down the Eastern Border because of Corona flu.
No.6164
>>6161Honestly that film is worryingly accurate.
No.6166
>>6165Bridges and tunnels and shit, I bet.
>>6162Trolleybuses are based, too bad our retard mayor is replacing them with more expensive and less efficient electric busses because he hates visible power lines.
No.6168
>rail thread dying
why tho
No.6169
>>6168bc you can't shit on people you disagree with and get into drawn-out shouting matches. 'The good die young' is very much true on imageboards.
No.6170
>>6169I try to keep it alive.
1., MÁV 303
2., MÁV Cbmot (alias: Hargita), only 4 were produced.
3., a cute little fellow :)
No.6175
>>6173>reusing the marx memeas always annie, as always
No.6177
>>6172Sadly most people in hungary are dumbfucks when it comes to economy Bonus problem is that governments push car travel way too hard (because you can steal more money from road-building than from rail-building). Also a big problem is that the head honchos at MÁV (the national railway company) are just puppets who want to stuff their own walletts and don't care about modernizing or keeping the train system functional.
Biggest joke is that ever since the '80s there were no new lines given to the public (except one, that was more of a politically charged ego-move by Orbán… and one that was planned since the fucking '70s… and is still just half-build)
But on the bright side: here are some love for the little guys on the little rails!
1., The Úttörővasút (Pioneer rail). In the distance in the background there is a TV tower. From 1978, Széchenyi-mountain. I think this model is the Camot 001 (alias "Kis Piri", "Little Red")
2., That beast is from 1988, on the same line, the diesel powered Mk45.
(BTW AFAIK the gauge is 760 mm… or 600 mm. There are only 3 lines with 600 but I can't remember which ones are those. Google it if I tickled your fancy.)
3., One of the oldest narrow-gauge rails still in use, "Zsuzsi" ("Susan"), from Debrecen.
No.6181
Does anyone have that post about how Thomas the Train is communist?
No.6183
>>6179>A couple hundred fcebook posts = All americansGet out thirdworlder
No.6184
>>6182Didn't know this got made into a song
No.6186
>>6185>Muh coofing meme HURRHow are you better than the burgers again?
No.6189
Many threads may die NOT THIS ONE ANONS
but this one is eternal.
No.6190
>>6041I just want more cable cars and moborails. Fuck practicality, transit is just cool when elevated.
No.6192
>>6190Cable cars are very practical and more importantly really cheap and low noise. The coolness is just a nice side effect. Monorails aren't impractical either, they just rather expensive.
>>6191capitalists will never understand Soviet car design, because they think their car is an extension of the self. Soviets just thought they war transport cabins, and one really important Soviet design parameter was that regular machine shops should be able to repair most stuff with standard tools, which resulted making design simpler and cruder on purpose.
No.6193
>>405268
>Muh chink stereotypes
How intelligent, got a real argument?
No.6194
>>6035Anyone got that compilation about the anti-rail conspiracy in the USA by GM and Ford?
No.6197
>>6119Breaks down as soon as two cars are in the way in line. Good mass transit needs to be separated from regular traffic, no compromises!
No.6198
>>6066>there's a youth queerpunk open mic fucking disgusting
No.6199
>>6197>Breaks down as soon as two cars are in the way in line. Good mass transit needs to be separated from regular traffic, no compromises!Agreed but consider that this is a decent stepping stone, get people to experience how they can travel faster with a the overhead trolley than the people stuck in car-traffic below.
No.6200
I've never understood this brand of autism but I am glad you've got a little space for it.
No.6201
>>6200>I've never understood this brand of autism but I am glad you've got a little space for it.You can simplify transport as a box being shoved by a Force that is hindered by friction.
And trains have very little friction, because metal wheels on metal Rails don't have a lot of friction losses, which makes trains approximate the optimal case for transport much more so than most other modes of transport.
This is very appealing because it's a System that is very well optimized.
No.6202
>I like trains
No.6203
>>6200Its more efficient and looks cool, that's all there is to it.
No.6207
>>6206> a hovertrainI think the soviets had a similar idea but skipped using rails and just went with sectioned hover-craft.
No.6208
It's not directly related, but IDK what thread to put this at:
https://westseattleblog.com/2020/05/stay-healthy-streets-mayor-announces-first-20-miles-will-be-permanent-also-expanding-this-weekend-to-include-north-end-of-beach-drive/STAY HEALTHY STREETS’: Mayor announces closing 20 miles of streets in Seattle permanently in Seattle for bicycles and exercise.
No.6209
ok but what about PLANES
No.6210
>>6209They're very carbon inefficient and bourgeoisie, CEOs do most of the flying as freq. flyers by far and do so at high altitude unable to enjoy the view or being alive. Small planes rely on leaded gasoline which causes ghettos to get lead poisoning as they fly over them.
No.6211
>>6209Unlike trains, you cannot electrify air travel. It will always be reliant on hydrocarbon fuels. That does not mean we need to eschew air travel in the future but it does mean the fuel will have to be produced through capturing carbon from the air to keep air travel carbon-neutral. Luckily the technology for producing carbon neutral synthetic fuel already exists, it is not economical (read profitable) so you won't see capitalists using it.
No.6212
As an american, nothing would make me happier than to actually be able to go to the beach, or maybe to actually see the other side of the country without going by plane. I've been on a plane before and it sucks - they pack you like sardines in a can and barely give you any time to sleep before you get where you presumably want to go. It sounds positive going fast, but i think people need to go slower in transit because people should be able to enjoy the sights. It's like seeing the sights of your country or the country you're visiting is behind a paywall, reserved for rich people.
In america, poor people have to either drive themselves or carpool. Or go by bus. And there's no way you're going long distance that way.
Also, comfy booths with big windows looking at the countryside. Wouldn't that be nice?
No.6213
>>6211>Unlike trains, you cannot electrify air travel.Well technically you can, you just need to spam airports everywhere so that the 5min battery life allows you to fly to your destination in 1000 little hops.
Alternatively you could also create satellites that use large solar panels to power a laser that targets a photovoltaic-cells on the plane, to extend the battery life. You do need a bespoke photovoltaic and laser system that are perfectly optimized to maximize efficiency, because you do need lots of power for planes and you have very little capacity for radiators to prevent overheating. Also a laser system that can remote power a large electric passenger plane would probably be pretty close to death-ray territory in terms of power.
So this probably has to wait for when we have overcome capitalism and live in a civilised society, that is able to use a technology without the temptation of using it for imperial domination. But even then it's not very likely to become very wide spread, because trains would probably be 20 times cheaper, and eventually somebody might figure out how to make ocean bridge/tunnels that can connect continent with rails.
No.6214
>>6210>>6211 <bourgeoisie
>not being for based Soviet Aeroflotcome on
No.6215
>>6035Anyone have that effort-post about the Moscow Metro and how it was designed to support 6x the capacity of use when built and only had to be extended in the 60s?
No.6216
>>6213Lasers are a good way to blind pilots, passengers, birds, and people on the ground. Sounds like a bad idea. Keep that stuff in space.
>>6212I've been thinking about taking the Amtrack across the country, but it looks like a lot of work and it's really expensive. It's cheaper and more practical to just get on a greyhound bus.
I really wish we'd have a hell of a lot more passenger rail because those sleeper cars are really a cool way to travel. Amtrack has them and so does Canadian rail, but it's maybe a thousand bucks a night for a room so it's not affordable really.
No.6219
>>6217interesting
good post
No.6220
>>6165They're common in the Netherlands.
No.6221
>>6215Never heard of this but I believe it.
No.6222
>>6135only if they're armed
No.6225
>>6224were these "Tranks" ever used ?
they sort of seem like doodles of children
No.6226
>>6225Yeah, not sure how effective they were but I heard they were a bitch to use because everyone was always destroying rail infrastructure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_GustavGet a load of this big fucker.
Also
>Both Nazi Germany and Great Britain deployed railway guns that were capable of firing across the English Channel in the areas around Dover and Calais.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dover_Strait_coastal_gunsApparently the Brits and Germans shot them at each other across the channel for a bit?
No.6227
>>6225Yes and while - if they hit - they were powerful, their massive size quickly wore out the gun barrels and it would be easier to just send bombers or used Ballistic missiles. They're just over-sized Paris Guns really.
No.6234
>>6232FYI Thomas the Train actually has lot of workers union background to it
No.6235
>>6222Reminds me of the unique soviet railway ballistic missiles. The USA couldn't replicate them.
No.6236
>>6229those are wonderful
No.6237
>>6235More?
>>6236of course they are, they're trains!
No.6239
>>6055that's the type o' public transit they don't let black people on
No.6241
>>6240they're planning to expand it at some point but it's unknown how long it will take. Also, as with all the Soviet Metro systems i've been on, they all feel the same, therefore, they all feel wonderful.
No.6242
Dear Rail Anons,
What rail system would work for a country like Australia?
Thank you.
No.6243
>>6242Australia does not need rail for moving people, Australians don't want to visit other parts of Australia, they want to GTFO from that hellhole.
No.6244
>>6243>>6242Maybe finally build Melbourne-Sydney bullet train. Something other than a discount Intercity 125.
No.6245
Milwaukee got over 40 million dollars to expand transit from Trump for some reason. I hope we do better than busses.
No.6246
>>6241Tashkent's metro is really good by Central Asian standards bc it exists.
also look at the CUCKED Kazakh metro car. None of that Uzbek-Soviet class
No.6249
>>6247Fuck Mirziyoyev.
Can't have SHIT in Tashkent
No.6250
>>6249ayy, chill
Metrovagonmash still their trains great
No.6251
>>6250they're almost definitely better in the function, but they will never be as sexy as old soviet rolling stock with that sleek new paint (which is definitely impractical and probably usually looks like shit bc its light coloring shows stains and it likely doesn't get cleaned often).
No.6252
https://invidio.us/watch?v=lY6RbOYo0YwTashkent is testing their new elevated line. They probably won't have the same problems that Moscow had building line 12 Butovskaya cuz the climate in Tashkent doesn't damage trains so bad. Also, i used to live in Astana and i was much happier when visiting Almata. It's so much nicer over there.
No.6253
>>6252Other than Alma-ata and Tashkent are there any other cities in Central Asia with good metros?
No.6254
>>6253there are no other cities in Central Asia with metros. There are some tram systems tho and in Uzbekistan the electrichkas are nice. They're planning on building dumbass light-rail in Astana (Tselinograd) and bringing back some trams to Almata. There ain't anything planned in Dushanbe, that's assured (i lived there).
No.6261
>>6259>galaxy train referenceI see you are a man of culture as well
>>6260Didn't the Soviets have an idea for a hydro-planing Ocean-train?
No.6262
>>6257Damn that is sexy. Fucking love this thread.
No.6263
>>6260That's pretty neat, I wonder if they can be made to draw power form overhead wires. Or are the propeller engines too power hungry?
No.6265
>>6261>a hydro-planing Ocean-train?i tried finding out about this, but i have no clue what that this is supposed to be.
Hydro planing a train, would mean driving a regular plan fast enough over water so that it doesn't sink.
No.6266
>>6177>>6178Anytime an anti-communist Kádár disrespecting fascist liberal nazi says "HURR DURR GOMUDISM IS OPRESHUN", I tell them "Without The Hungarian People's Republic, There Would Be No Pioneer Rail"
This is basically a tourist attraction, even though it's just a narrow gauge rail. It's [b]that[/b] good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VTuqMXUan8 Just look at this. The train is really cute
and cool, and to top it all of, you get to go through a bunch trees and shit. Since it's in the capital, you can reach it very easily. Who wouldn't want this?
Also, you have get to or get down from Széchenyi mountain somehow (if you don't want to take the same route again). This is what the cogwheel rail is for! It's also pretty cute, and you still get to engage in some sightseeing.
No.6267
>>6264Isn't it just sexy?
No.6269
>>6266>Mk 45-2003It looks like an old steam locomitive. Isn't it ardurous to switch between the left and right window?
>>6259>train in spaceIs it from Galaxy Express 999? And IIRC there's an even older anime about trains in space.
No.6270
>>6269>an even older anime about trains in spaceWhat's it called?
No.6271
>>6266Anon is gyermekvasutas volt?
No.6272
>>6035This big boy is one of the older trams that we have in our city (half of whole city fleet are versions like these). Still runs smoothly and as far as I know couple of them were even exported to the North Korea.
In the image are depicted revisions and repaints through the years.
No.6273
>>6272>Tatraquite pleasing to see
No.6277
>>6276>Arent they pretty common tho? Not really, no
>We have technology so we dont need to have raised floor for power unit. This basically allows to slap additional floor on top.But simple train-cars never had power-units, or a need for raised floors ?
No.6278
>>6277>But simple train-cars never had power-units, or a need for raised floors ?Old train-cars had bulky wheels, brake systems etc.. And they were also usually segmented. So there was no incentive to lower the floors.
No.6280
>>6279God I bet that's stressful to drive
No.6282
>>6280Dont worry. They probably had those
big sticks, if in case trolleys disconnected from cables
No.6283
>>6280not really, the booms extend in length allowing some range for manoeuvring and those usually have bells that ring to warn the driver when going too far from the power-line. On-top of that they tend to have a quick-release mechanism to prevent damage when disconnecting. Also they don't require any shifting gears.
No.6285
>>6283Can there be buses (or trucks even again :>) that would use trolleys where are cables, but if there are no cables (on secondary routes for example) they would use charged battery to drive rest of the route?
You know, anything would be better than those half assed solutions like those hybrid diesel buses.
No.6286
>>6284Best korea should export those tractors
Farmers would love them
pic only because it's culturally obligatory for this thread, nothing meant by it thank you for sharing those pics comrade No.6287
>>6284We have similar Zetor-6911 at home (pic is someone elses tractor). Too bad I didnt make any fotage of me driving it.
It a nice, very torque heavy machine that gets the shit done. But bitch is so old, that it has really faded brakes. Only reliable way to brake is to brake with engine + transmission. So when you are climbing a hill and you miss a shift (it doesnt even have synchroniser I think), you can easily lose control and go backwards like boulder rolling down from the hill (it happened to my dad once and I tought he would fucking die).
No.6288
>>6287Correction: Its maybe 5911, IDK i will take picture of it later
No.6290
>>6059When did the Kansas City Streetcar get extended to Wisconsin?
No.6291
>>6059Fuck the automobile lobby and all the stooge politicians that receive an exorbitant amount of money from them to eliminate public transport.
No.6293
>>6119lol sorry but this shit looks even more complicated.
Making your streetcar effectively a tunnel over two lanes seems dangerous, but sort of feasible. Making your streetcar some kind of weird walker that retracts its legs when next to obstacles seems ripe for some technical error.
No.6295
>>6294>>6292>>6289Horikou is seriously under-rated.
No.6302
>>6294>>6292Thank you based admins, now I won't have to worry that this thread sinks because of spamfags.
No.6348
>>6302They made the new one anyway LMAO
No.6350
>>6348Redirect the retards here and report it. It doesn't belong there.
No.6363
>>6350>>6348Kek the admins got mad
No.6375
>>6363>>6350>>6348>>6302>TFW the thread is moved to hobby so it doesn't constantly sink and people stop postingKek.
No.6748
>>6585People might fall out of the train if the glass breaks, but it's still nice design.
No.6819
>>6573Thats why trains should be free and paid by rich fucks taxes (atleast for now in capitalism). Thats the only good thing Socdems did in our country
No.10213
Taken for a ride - the US history of the assault on public transportation in the last century
https://youtu.be/p-I8GDklsN4 No.10223
>>10222That image was already part of the mistake. Letting road vehicles clutter up the streets and compete with light rail was how they argued to get rid of the light rail.
No.10225
>>10224I work with the municipal government and the idiots cannot fathom the idea of a carless society, despite the fact that most people have to use the dreaded and super expensive private collective transport (and most have to walk at least an hour a day on top).
During the day, there are more cars in the city than there are people who live there by like 2x. It's pathological at this point, nobody gives a fuck it seems. There's no such thing as bus lanes and busses are so slow, inaccessible, and expensive, you are better off buying a cheap car.
We also lead the country in bike deaths and car crashes. We're not even the largest city.
The government workers are so fucking dense, I told them they should ban private use cars, one of them asked, "but if I need to go to the hospital, how would I get there?". Like nigga, ask half the people you represent which don't own cars.
No.14456
I've been watching a newer youtube channel called railways explained. It's really great and in-depth.
Highly recommend it.
https://youtube.com/channel/UCGq3OyOoLPYj4Oyk1DWnKxQ No.14464
Have you heard about the new chinese train if what I read is really true thats absolutly insane
Speeds of 620 kilometers (385 miles) per hour
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/china-high-speed-maglev-train-intl-hnk/index.html No.14467
>>14464>620 km/h>made in chinawhen that shit crashes it's gonna spray people sauce across three prefectures
No.14468
>>14467to my understanding china has a good working high speed rail system
No.15092
>>6287>has the land and the capital to use tractor'sFuck you bourgeois pig
ignore me I'm just jealous No.16074
As an Australian, this thread makes me want to kmseurekaEureka
No.16287
I recommend watching two YouTube channels.
1. Simply Railway - Gives current ride alongs with trains and gives you a preview of what to expect for traveling with each train service.
2. Railways Explained - They show the history, organizational, explanation, and other indepth videos based on trains. I love their information on it.
No.16306
>>16074Tangaras looked OK, and there is the Ghan or whatever…… fug
No.16359
>>16295Ty. Dope ass channel.
No.18012
hello locomotive autists. I am looking for resources on Australian trains and railways in the late 1800s if anyone can help me with that
No.18014
Best thread on /hobby/
No.18015
This is the most communist thread on this site.
No.18126
>>18012Railpage has written everything there is about railways in Australia
https://www.railpage.com.au/f.htm No.18922
i ain't ever gonna forget being in the offices with the head of the telecommunications at the Estonian Railway's offices and hearing a 40+ year old man complaining about terrible planning processes during signal upgrading and the stupidity of the Minister of Transport for requiring trains to eventually be able to go 140 km/h in a country as small as Estonia.
No.19033
Will international shipping be replaced by something better? It’s a huge inefficient fuel hog.
No.19034
>>19033As of the moment its the MOST efficient method of mass transport, and having spoken to people involved in those ops, there isn't much perspective in their replacement in the near future, none of the other options are fuel-efficient enough or carry enough cargo to make it work.
No.19035
>>19034But can it be mitigated though? Most of the commodities are needlessly transported due to outsourcing of resources and overran globalization. I think we could just cut down 80% of the supply chain and it would be fine. Hell the US alone can supply most of the American continent with fossil fuels while the Latin countries have enough minerals to go around. A more decentralized world would need much less shipping.
No.20450
>>18922Context please? The year at least'd be nice.
>>19033>>19035>>19034 In regards to aircraft, hydro-fuel engines are perspective (see
>>20449 ). The energy of the atom is probably the best bet for ships, but that requires a lot of highly qualified cadres (not an impossibility with socialism's education systems).
No.20849
>>20848Living in a train would get old after a week. If you ever want to try it, take the trans-siberian railway from Moscow to Beijing.
No.20868
>>20849how much does the train make?
i mean like i said it's not something permanent
just a comfy place to live while you get to your apartment in the city
i mean it should still be comfier than trains with capitalist management
No.20880
>>20848Build your apartment in a shipping container, then you can put the container on a train.
No.20911
>>20880that's kinda the idea but better conditioned for housing
No.21010
trams are based
No.21014
>>21010anything with rails is more based than anything roads and automobiles
civilians don't need automobiles if you have an effective working railroad for public transport
No.21016
You are very correct and I have a solution to stop climate change
Get rid of cars and buses replace them with trams
And also you don't need a truck for an ambulance
You can use a tram
No.21022
>>21018Well none of them are rail vehicles.
But they're pretty cool. Are they game design assets or drawing for fun?
No.21023
I just made this for fun
>>21022Would you like to see more
No.21024
>>21016fuck civilian roads
military ambulances for everyone
No.21026
>>21018>>21019>>21020>>21021>>21022>>21023(re)Post armored vehicles in the appropriate thread(s) anon
>>1516 >>1505 Aircraft go
>>14020 Cars and trucks
>>6594 No.21610
I have created a trains channel on cytube.
Current playlist is ride alongs from the driver's point of view.
I will be rotating playlists as I build them up slowly. Hope to have fun with y'all watching train stuff in the future.
No.21612
>>21610Nice
I'm not into trains but I might watch sometime
No.21800
Going to be changing up the playlists this week for
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/trainsI'm going to be putting up passenger train videos from Simply Railway.
I'll start with European trains this week.
If you have other recommendations for passenger train reviews or other railway ideas please let me know.
No.21807
>>21800Updated.
I'll start making a burger list and Asian list.
No.21967
>>21943I dunno dude, it sounds pretty cool to me, also if they won WW2 it wouldn't be an issue to fit it to the rails would it?
No.21968
>>21967Nope making huge heavy trains is stupid, you need more complicated rail construction to prevent it from sinking into the ground. It's a lot cheaper to just build more tracks next to each other to spread out the load, and send more regular sized trains if you need the extra capacity. Regular trains are already as heavy as you can possibly make them while still getting away with relatively simple and cheap gravel-pileup as support material. Any heavier and you need to have proper foundations like buildings, which would be stupid expensive. There's no way you could build a bridge that could support this huge beast. It would need extra large tunnels as well, regular sized tunnels already are extremely expensive and super-slow to build. Now think about what happens if it breaks down, you can't move something this big, you have to disassemble it into smaller fragments before you can use other means to transport it into a repair facility. Even the added capacity for luxury like movie theaters and saunas seems pretty pointless in retrospect. People started building high speed trains as early as in the late sixties. Imagine investing in this monster and long before you even complete it, people say screw that thing i want small super fast trains, because i want to arrive at my destination earlier.
I think that it might even have failed entirely, because during the time they were considering building this they might not have been able to build it with low enough tolerances, making it have a lot of vibrations, turning it into a earth quake machine, that damages close by buildings.
No.21969
>>21968>turning it into a earth quake machine, that damages close by buildings./pol/ would call that "based"
No.21971
>>21969And they would be right. If you can't handle trains at their widest, you don't deserve them at their narrowest.
No.21975
>>21943>42 x 6 x 7>3 m gaugeThis is the penis enlargement pills of the railway world
I want to see what kind of design did the wagons had on the inside, how would they fit cinemas and apartments there.
No.22034
>>21943Jesus, no wonders the Nazis lost. Their heads were too far up their own asses to give a single fuck about logistics and, well, reality.
No.22038
>>22035What's the point of these elevated tracks? Aren't metros usually underground?
No.22046
>>22038elevated tracks are cheaper
No.22159
Updated Trains Playlist on cytube channel
Documentaries and info.
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/trainsLet me know if you want me to add stuff.
No.22163
>>22159>>22161 (me)
>>22162 (me)
Wait wait
https://youtu.be/R_d4D5_4ovAThis one!!!!=
This one!!!!=
This one!!!!=
This one!!!!=
THIS ONE@!!!@!!!!=
No.22392
>>22389Every last village in every country.
No.22472
Embedding error.
Oi, it's Trolley Tuesday m8s, why ain't there no discussion about trains, eh?
No.22494
>>22392random lines should also be built in all that empty space so people can just chill out on trains that go past amazing scenery
No.22519
>>22518Same friend. Ive spent too much time learning about urban planning and public transit, so now when I drive around I'm literally having a meltdown over how dumb it all is
>shitty traffic despite living in relatively small city>hideously wide roads everywhere that make being a pedestrian nightmarish without actually improving traffic flow because induced demand>bumper to bumper traffic when the entire street worth of passengers could fit into a single bus or tram>the pollution and wasted resources that designing your cities around the car entails>50%+ chance whatever new public transit gets built is seemingly designed to fail/reinforce car culture>seeing all this while knowing that your isolated backwater in the middle of leafland used to have an extensive rail network that could literally take you coast to coast, let alone across town, vidrelit's all so tiresome
No.22520
>>22472>>22475Thanks for a new source. Tonight I'll be adding them to the playlist. On the trains channel.
No.22559
>>22512Nope this video
>>22052 is the correct one, or at least it's less wrong.
First is that building more advanced infrastructure isn't a bad thing, it virtually always is much more cost competitive in the long run, the only opposition to infrastructure spending is largely driven by short term ideology, not rational economical thinking.
There aren't going to be many large vehicles that are battery operated, because they all compete for a very limited amount of lithium. If you bet on everything running on batteries you're making a bet that there is going to be a marvelous new type of battery that is similar or better specked at similar or lower costs, than lithium batteries, but uses far more abundant chemical elements. The battery technology faerie that blesses us with such leaps makes very infrequent appearances, because batteries are a very mature technology that is over 200 years old. As with all technology at that stage there tend to be only small improvements. The battery powered electric vehicle revolution is going to grind to a screeching halt because too many application are competing for the same resource. Relatively big ships that feature diesel electric hybrid systems that use lithium ion batteries are in testing, just imagine what that will do to demand for battery resources if it catches on.
Electric buses that use cables are very boring because routing electricity through a cable is an old hat, so it won't tickle anybodies fancy. As the worlds rapacious hunger for electrical storage grows, battery capacity will shrink under the weight of resource competition. More frequent charging stations to compensate for shrinking batteries will be the result. Some people will have the brilliant idea that battery powered buses could have their range extended by making the brilliant innovation of charging the batteries in transit rather then in a stationary mode. Fully dynamic mobile charging sounds of course much better than trolley buses with a backup battery, but that is what it's going to be in essence. The next innovation is going to replace the battery packs with capacitor banks for hyper-charging and a 20 year ultra endurance lifespan. Capacitor bank buses will only have a range of single digit km/miles but there will be frequent stretches of
overhead trolleybus cables fully-dynamic-mobile-hyper-charging that allow constantly topping off the
capacitor bank endurance pack. It's a huge detour for essentially using a electrical buffer storage systems to remove 80% of the trolley-wires fixing the aesthetics and getting 80% of the flexibility of battery/diesel buses. Big capacitor banks used in trams and automatic pick ups that sense where the cables are, exist too. Upgrading trolley bus technology can be done now with
off the shelf components available solutions.
For the sake of argument completion hydrogen storage will first come to container trucking, tractors, bulldozers and other massive energy hungry machinery. These systems will be adapted to buses as well, so there is your wireless e-bus that can actually scale.
No.22598
>>6242Frankly it'd be perfect for the Aussies; it's got so much open expanse that a rail network'd be comparably easy to install and manage and be very effective.
No.22600
>>6242The first map shows all long distance passenger trains in Australia. It already covers most of the population. The problem is it's as expensive as flying and it's slow.
Also the states couldn't decide on one rail gauge. The green lines in Queensland are narrow gauge and the purple lines in Victoria are broad gauge.
The first thing we should do is standardise most of the railways. This second map, based on a 1945 report, shows what we should do. All of the main lines between capital cities are standard gauge now, but most of the rest are not and many have been torn up.
No.22606
>>22600>2 rails>3 gaugespoggers!
No.22680
>>22472Next is Wide Cab Wednesday, Third Rail Thursday, Subway Sunday, Steam Train Saturdays, Monorail Mondays and Fasttrack Fridays
No.22706
>>22699Not many people live in the northwest. There are railways there for iron ore export though.
There are proposals to build an east-west railway from the iron ore mines in the northwest to the coal mines in the northeast. Then build big steel mills at each end. LaRouchites love shilling this idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iron_Boomerang No.22978
>>22922It's very fun if you have friends to go along.
No.22979
>>22863Is this Galaxy Express 999?
No.23042
>>14461that's fucking sad, man
No.23169
>>22979its Orient Express :)
No.24213
Snowpiercer thread
>>4441 No.24569
I haven't done a good job maintaining the train channel on Cytube. I'll reshuffle and add things to the channel.
Feel free to leave suggestions.
No.25360
>>6059What the actual fuck is going on in that pic?
I live in Portland and we also have a shitty streetcar system that is slower than walking. At least our light rail works good though.
No.25406
>>25360A tram asserting its dominance.
No.25407
>>25360Just your typical relatively new light rail line in north America, where clearly the political will exists to build transit but the powers that be fuck it up as had as possible to poison the well and delay the transition from car dependent urban planning.
>>10222If you like trams, check out Toronto's street car network. It didn't make it through the second half of the 20th century completely unscathed but it is one of the few American and European cities that didn't totally dismantle their network so it's got that old school charm
No.25522
>>25517>Mainstream channel does a video that serves as munition against US developmentSurprisingly based
No.26626
Making updates this weekend.
No.26692
Alright railchads and railstacies.
What rail videos you want me to queue up for the next few weeks?
Infrastructure
Expansion
Observation and Experience
Historic
Let me know what you are in the mood for.
No.26996
>>26692HIGHSPEED RAIL VIDEOS.
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/trainsI added what I could add for today. I'll keep updating the playlist. We have almost 12 hours of high speed rail focused videos.
Enjoy my rail comrades.
No.27034
https://twitter.com/AmericanFietser/status/1548318802135244802idk get it
also what's the difference between railways and metros?
one is in the ground and one is up in the sky artificially with pillars
No.27106
>>27034Anything that train runs on is a railway. Regardless of if it serves passengers or freight.
A metro is a railway that is designed to serve passengers in an metro area.
No.27741
>>27460I had the ability to see their early metro line cars on the orange line (x3), with new front lines but immortal.
The idea that you can just have a train coming every 2 minutes and dont need any timetable never even crossed my rural mind
No.27742
>>27741they also build a kind of monorail line, which I only saw a half built station for
Dunno whether thats it, I guess its hard to build a metro under the metro that you built 10 years ago.
Not even mentioning the 'secret' one that Ill propably never see cause theyll make fish fodder out of me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro-2 (& pic 2)
No.27879
https://corpo.viarail.ca/en/projects-infrastructure/high-frequency-railI hope they build this before I die, first picrel
>>20848>does anyone know if train housing/apartments would be a viable thing?In the future when we try to replace planes with trains, we might see trains that are a bit cozier, complete with dining cars and lounges and bars etc etc, but thats the closest I can imagine to your ideal. After all even with HSR it would take awhile to go from New York to Beijing I imagine, we might see a proliferation of things like the Origental express but more geared towards the proles, 2nd picrel
A man can dream anway
No.27958
>>27957What's the benefit of having it hang instead of sitting on top of the track?
No.27959
>>27958No rail crossings.
No.27960
>>27959That's a benefit of a raised line, but what's the function of having it under the track instead of above it?
No.27961
Embedding error.
>>27960See through floors.
No.28232
>>6086 >>6585You will commmute in the
SKULL
>>6135 >>6138You will build
G A Y
N U G G E T S
People will commute in them to the SKULL FACTORY
No.28233
>>27958From what I've gathered, it's a smoother ride during the relatively sharp turns that monorails tend to take on their routes.
No.28234
>>25520Is it not normal to wave at trains where you live? I always do it.
No.28327
>>28231Love narrow gauge railways, and that one is absolutely adorable and quite scenic.
No.31074
Anyone has some good learning materials about modern signalling systems and safety at incredible hihg speed?
No.31159
Something I think about alot is the pictures in my school history books that compared the amount of rail lines in China in 1910 or whatever to every other imperialist country, and how things look like now.
No.31160
>>6155>>6160>>6228>>16547>>20848>>25520Not much inside-posting.
Post
THE BEST actually-existing, working-class commuter rail carriages
(vid unrel)
No.31165
>>311615 x (3 - 3^0) , or, (5^0) + 3 x 3
indices are fine if it's impossible to make 10 without them :^)(1 + 0 + 1) x 5
No.31168
>>31167posted an outdated map
the chicagoland Metra commuter train is cool, too. Might get on a ride just for fun one day.
No.31255
>>31167 It looks cool but it's badly maintained like most American T lines.
No.31476
>>31475comfy thread?
comfy thread.
No.31479
>>31475wow that does look safe for sure
No.31480
>>31479I think that was meant for cars. I doubt it is strong enough to withstand and derail a train.
No.31484
>>31480probably not but it definitely shouldnt be put there lol
No.33215
I wanna go back to constant slowish moving streetcars that you just hop on and off.
No.34303
>>34293The surprising thing to me is that others did not standardize. I would have expected at least the EU to have done so. I guess metros don't get that much of this kind of attention as rail or whatever because they are mostly closed systems.
No.34313
>>34303Im sure other countries standardize to the extent that they can but theres only so much you can do without central planning.
No.34314
>>34303private contractors still have to get their cut at every level in the western system
No.35157
>>35144building rail in lithuania seemed to mainly just be formality anyway, it's only eurasia and africa that matter, not europe and especially not coastal europe where everything is already developed for trade. china's interest is in being impossible to besiege by embargo or sanctions, hence its priorities are building the belt and road.
No.35355
>>35144Decommunization of Lithuania continues, kek
When are they bulldozing the nuclear power plants and hospitals?
No.35387
I don't like that bullet trains are named after bullets. Bullets are violent and evil and warlike. There's nothing warlike about fast trains. They should get some nice non-violent name that makes them welcoming but still makes it clear that they are fast, like "Sonic the Hedgehog train" or something.
No.35403
>>35387You're the only actual communist on this board
No.35417
>>35387Fuck you, I want to ride the red terror train
No.35558
>>35387I just call them fast trains
No.35578
>>35387high-speed rail/train or HSR/HST is the official name
No.36950
>>36947They have two Mk48 now too.
No.38858
>With the Tren Maya (Maya Train) rail project in Mexico’s Quintana Roo and the Yucatan set for completion next month, Mexico is planning to build another passenger rail line. The Cabo Sun reports that the President of Mexico, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, has set his sights on a new project: building a passenger rail line in the Baja California peninsula to be called the Tranpeninsular Train
Is the President of Mexico /ourguy/?
No.39464
https://southfront.press/russian-military-ingenuity-tsar-train-protects-russian-defense-line-in-southern-donbass/ >Russian Tsar Train defensive line>several kilometers long Epic. First it was the armored trains, now this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_armoured_train_Volga?useskin=vectorAlso on the topic of armored trains, I can't believe nobody mentioned the Krajina Express ITT, I'll have to make a post about it at some point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krajina_Express?useskin=vector Unique IPs: 91