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>>9768
>And if you think Popularity = money.
YES
What should popularity be based on? You're feels? The most influential movies and TV make the most money 99% of the time.

>>7658
The issue itself isn't with the designs, but as the first image in >>7671 shows, is the homogeneity. The shows themselves in that picture are actually good,asides from the head shapes, stand out if you compare screenshots from the actual shows (not just character designs.) Their homogeneity is not primarily stylistic as many calarts works are distinctive enough to set them apart- although the most mediocre of them tend to look generic- it is that children networks tend to hire an established pool of directors, writers, and artists. As a result, there has been fatigue, especially since that the recent golden age has come to a close. Add to that the identity politics, then the calarts style starts to become an infamous icon of rigid conformity. Even though calarts itself has a lot of talent. Their student films exemplify this. However, this talent bears the mark of an institution, not the soul of an artist.

Like, I don't give a fuck whoever is on the side of the culture war spectacle. It's dumb bullshit. Yes, cartoons are conjoined to toxic radlibbery. However, giving it attention provides air for it to breath. It's how tit-for-tat social media works. Anyone serious should be much more patient.

>>9769
>Cults are small groups of fanatics
nitpicking again? good job.

>>9771
>it's about a lot more than that
No, not really. All you've done is whine about "muh references"

>>9772
>Hurr feels
You're an ignorant little monkey who doesn't know what popularity is if it bit you on the nose.
>99% make money
No, no they didn't money is irrelevant to popularity as is demonstrated when some of the most highest-paying films in history are considered by critics and fans alike to be garbage.

>Obviously you do
No, otherwise I'd actually take your nonsensical rants seriously and actually reply to their inanity with serious answers.

>I enjoy the prequels, and didn't like "The Last Jedi"
Sure you do
>Get off 4chan
&ltu just h8 de essjaydubus!
Ok liberal
>out to get you and your precious movies and games
Go back to reddit. Your understanding of dialectics, capitalism and culture is abysmal
>Freakazoid wuz beeeeed
Ok idiot
>sitting on your ass watching cartoons as a child
Nice strawman
>scholar
compared to your lack of argument and grievous application of mental gymnastics, I'm fucking Aristotle.

>>9777
>much more patient
&ltdon't discuss it, just let it happen dude!
While the above autist whining about Animaniacs being "baaaad" is certainly a poor example of discussion, it is important to discuss, because if we tolerate garbage, it will continue to be produced. If people keep accepting shit-sandwiches, we'll keep getting them, because we won't set standards.

>>9780
>>Cults are small groups of fanatics
>nitpicking again? good job.
It's the definition of the word my ESL friend.
>No, not really. All you've done is whine about "muh references"
No I cited a lot of the history of all the cartoons I mentioned.
>Hurr feels
>You're an ignorant little monkey who doesn't know what popularity is if it bit you on the nose.
Everyone knows what's popularity is. Movies that make 200 million are popular, moves that make 50 million are not.
>No, no they didn't money is irrelevant to popularity as is demonstrated when some of the most highest-paying films in history are considered by critics and fans alike to be garbage.
>popular=good
This again, there's some exceptions, but movies and TV are made to make money. Can you name some show that was truly popular that didn't make a lot of money. I"m talking about something on the level of "Jurassic Park", not what's popular with your fellow autists on /co/.
>No, otherwise I'd actually take your nonsensical rants seriously and actually reply to their inanity with serious answers.
You have been, I've just been BTFOing you.

>I enjoy the prequels, and didn't like "The Last Jedi"
>Sure you do
I did, and I do. I don't know what's so unbelievable, "The Last Jedi" was roundly panned while the Prequels were warmly accepted. The hate for the prequels didn't come until after when it became chic to hate on them.
>Freakazoid wuz beeeeed
>Ok idiot
It got canceled didn't it? Do shows with high ratings and popularity get canceled?
>compared to your lack of argument and grievous application of mental gymnastics, I'm fucking Aristotle.
Nah, you're another midwit trying to dig out a niche on the internet. You plucked some obscure show, (yes, a show that aired nearly 30 years ago and has since been forgotten is obscure) and try to build up a cool cache around it by making it seem like some hidden gem. You know most people won't go back and watch it. You're just a modern day hipster.
>While the above autist whining about Animaniacs being "baaaad" is certainly a poor example of discussion, it is important to discuss, because if we tolerate garbage, it will continue to be produced.
Agreed, which is why I maintain that "Anaimaniacs" is bad. And that "Teen Titans Go" is good. There's oodles of adult oriented cartoons now. Nerds like you don't need every god damn cartoon to cater to them, and pretend that their were pint sized scholars in during their own childhoods and actually understood that every obscure entertainment industry humor in stuff like "Anaimaniacs". When in reality 90's kids were even bigger and stupider pieces of shit then today's children are. You kick and scream about immature cartoons like TTG THAT ARE TARGETED AT IMMURE AUDIENCES, because of your complete lack of self awareness about how you and your peers were actually like in your own childhoods.

If people keep accepting shit-sandwiches, we'll keep getting them, because we won't set standards.

>>9780
&ltu just h8 de essjaydubus!
>Ok liberal
Lol, you're the one obsessed with idpol gender fluid shit like "Steven Universe" there's been a lot of other cartoons produced besides that released in the last 25 years.

>>9780
>Go back to reddit. Your understanding of dialectics, capitalism and culture is abysmal
LMAO, you're the one that fills in your lack of historical knowledge about the material forces shaping 90's children's television with bitter feels about being being bullied in elementary school.
And have all these loopy definitions of popular culture being good, when pop culture has been dunked on as being actually quite atrocious since mass media's genesis.

>>9781
And so continues the saga of the triple-posting samefag with a blasted arse
>More nitpicks more mental gymnastics and other fallacious rubbish
&ltHurr I'm winning
Sure you are manchild
>I've just been BTFOing
You haven't BTFOed squat, I just choose to discontinue genuinely arguing with a fool, instead I just tug your chain and like the excellent idiot you are, you follow along, barking furiously.
>pretend their scholars
&ltsays the person whining about references
>Nerds
&ltEveryone who has a modicum of intelligence is a nerd or a boomer!
&ltTTG is good because it caters to kids and totally isn't a bad influence, really!!!
Okay bud, your daddy-issues aren't the internet's problem Kill your braincells on your own time, but don;t encourage others to do that, go to >>>/dead/

>>9782
>obsessed with idpol gender fluid shit
Where does SU even come into this? Shifting goalposts and diverting to another topic is not an argument. SU was referenced in the first post because A) it was relevant to THAT discussion
B) this thread was created off of the Steven Universe thread and branched off
>past 25 years
You have proven exactly why you understand nothing about dialectics or cultural progression or accelerationism.
For 1 thing, cartoon eras were generally divided by decades in the 20th century, but as the internet age approached this has accelerated.
You also conveniently stretched the mark since most cartoons from 25 years ago or even 15 years ago are not airing or being re-aired and are therefore not representative of modern cartoons.
Go back to reddit liberals who will jerk you off, nobody takes such shitty understanding of culture seriously.
>your lack of historical knowledge
Nope, I am actually well-aware of these things, taking courses on animation history are pretty helpful in understanding how things change… or you could watch a youtube video not made by edgy liberal idiots about it too.
>bitter feels
Keep projecting honey
>bullied
nope, nobody bullied me, but keep projecting baby
>loopy definitions
&ltsays the guy who thinks money = popularity.
>when pop culture has been dunked on as being actually quite atrocious
You're actually demented. Seek help.
>midwit
Oooooh you're that pseudo-intellectual pretentious anon from /leftypol/. Go back to plebbit you absolute poser. LOL

>>9781
>TTG is good because it caters to kids
&ltKids don't want complex stories, they just want loud noise and color, because being lumpens is good!
Absolutely shameless glowfaggotry. If kids can appreciate Avatar The Last Airbender, they can appreciate Animaniacs.

>>9752
>3
What threads? Besides the Steven Universe one I mean.

>>9787
>And so continues the saga of the triple-posting samefag with a blasted arse
I have other thoughts after I've already posted. Don't worry, I won't take your precious board consensus from you.
&ltHurr I'm winning
>Sure you are manchild
I'm winning because I can cite historical facts and articulate cause and effects. Meanwhile you're posts are just half ad hominems and unvalidated assertions
&ltEveryone who has a modicum of intelligence is a nerd or a boomer!
>Everyone that likes Hollywood inside jokes is genius like me.
Damn dude, get it though your head. No one gives a fuck about inside industry jokes of any industry.
&ltTTG is good because it caters to kids and totally isn't a bad influence, really!!!
>Oh no! Kids like things I don't like, STOP THEM!!!
wew
>Okay bud, your daddy-issues aren't the internet's problem Kill your braincells on your own time, but don;t encourage others to do that, go to >>>/dead/
The more you cast these baseless aspersion, the more clear it becomes that it's project. What's the matter, you one of those latchkey kids that was raised by the TV. Is shitting on your favorite cartoon like calling your mom a whore to you?
>obsessed with idpol gender fluid shit
>Where does SU even come into this?
You're the one crying about "liberal feminism". But by all means, keep playing dumb like you weren't referencing cartoons like SU. Play dumb really plays to your strengths.
>You have proven exactly why you understand nothing about dialectics or cultural progression or accelerationism.
Bitch please, you just proclaimed your old favorite cartoon AS DA BEST EVA like some basic bitch otaku. Stop acting like it was a part of some grand analysis.
>For 1 thing, cartoon eras were generally divided by decades in the 20th century, but as the internet age approached this has accelerated.
Dafaq has that got to do with "Anaimaniacs being shit now and in it's own time." And you'll never define "accelerated" because it just a vauge weasel word to try to obfuscate your weak ass points.
>You also conveniently stretched the mark since most cartoons from 25 years ago or even 15 years ago are not airing or being re-aired and are therefore not representative of modern cartoons.
You kidding me, there's like 5 cable stations dedicated to fucking airing just old cartoons.
This doesn't even touch streaming, which is where most kids watch cartoons now. Damn, you just can't stop pulling shit out of your ass, it's like a complulsion.
>Go back to reddit liberals who will jerk you off, nobody takes such shitty understanding of culture seriously.
&ltEveryone that don't like me is a liberal.
Not what that word mean idiot.
>Nope, I am actually well-aware of these things, taking courses on animation history are pretty helpful in understanding how things change… or you could watch a youtube video not made by edgy liberal idiots about it too.
The head cannon you come up with to justify your own point isn't history. The straight lies you told surround the "Finger-prints" controversy is the most egregious example.
>bullied
>nope, nobody bullied me, but keep projecting baby
Sure buddy, which is why you so ferociously defend that shit cartoon, it was probably your only friend.
&ltsays the guy who thinks money = popularity.
Yes idiot, if you want to see something in capitalism, you have to pay for it. The more people pay the more people see it. Pretty fucking simple.
>when pop culture has been dunked on as being actually quite atrocious
>You're actually demented. Seek help.
For calling pop culture mostly trash, nah homie, it's you that need to get some taste.
>Oooooh you're that pseudo-intellectual pretentious anon from /leftypol/. Go back to plebbit you absolute poser. LOL
Am I from /leftypol/ or from Reddit schizo.

>>9795
Kids like unsubtle zany shit. All the old Warner Bros cartoons were like that, along with a ton of other cartoons that are considered classics.
Being loud and zany doesn't make something bad. It's just catering to proclivities that you don't have. So don't watch them and stop acting like you're doing any kids a favor by saying their dumb because they don't like boring Hollywood inside jokes in "Animaniacs."

>>9827
>unsubtle zany shit of Looney Toons is totally the same as TTG
&ltbeing this unironically retarded
Take your meds LOL
>>9824
>All this cope
&ltall this smug bullshit
HAHAHAHA, stay mad faggot.

>>9896
>Me smart, you dumb.
Okay, true, so enlighten me with some actual arguments.
And that random, surrealist absurdist humor is very much like the Looney Tunes, but a lot more dialog driven.
I get it, the characters talk like they’re on meth and the stuff happens at a million miles an hour. That’s just the style,

Just wanna chime in that I used to watch Loony Tunes and Merry Melody reruns as a child and I thought Tiny Toons was total garbage by comparison, with Animaniacs not much better. Freakazoid was the best of Spielberg's cartoons.

>>9941
>I thought Tiny Toons was total garbage
Why?

>>9943
Because it wasn't funny and is frankly a shallow insult to the clever humor in the original Merry Melodies.

>>9940
>so enlighten me with some actual arguments
Why bother? You're just going to ignore them or shift goal posts, or nay other fallacy you've been using so far. It's boring and pointless; nobody except losers are interested in reading through long argumentative responses about why "person X is a dumbass with shit taste".
>random, surrealist absurdist humor
I don't mind that, If you want absurd surreal shit the drug-trip grotesqueness of Ren and Stimpy, Cat-Dog, Rocko's Life, Courage the Cowardly Dog or even the original Power Puff Girls. I wasn't a big fan of half of those shows, but I can admit that they had good work put into making them unique and weird and funny.
That's not what TTG or LH do, they're just fucking really shitty sit-coms with cartoon effects and a "hurr random colorful movement = funny" which is only true for babies and children who don't know any better.
>That’s just the style
And it's garbage that is made worse by the absolutely lazy toon-boom format. It's like current Family Guy but with TTG characters and no swearing or blood. At least with Gumball, you get a lot of fun variability and even if it has random humor and other things.

>>9954
>Why bother? You're just going to ignore them or shift goal posts, or nay other fallacy you've been using so far.
I just said "Anamaniacs" sucked because it had a bunch of jokes 90's kids only pretended to get.
You keep insisting that kids are smart enough to get Hollywood gossip jokes as if that was a mark of intelligence. And an indicator of a mouth breather.
>That's not what TTG or LH do, they're just fucking really shitty sit-coms with cartoon effects and a "hurr random colorful movement = funny" which is only true for babies and children who don't know any better.
They're sitcoms only in the loosest sense. They rely a lot on a either an escalating comedy of errors, absurdist comedy, and metahumor.
They're like "Family Guy" but without the cruelty.
And yes they're dialog driven. A lot of people like that kid of humor. You don't, okay, doesn't make it bad.
>And it's garbage that is made worse by the absolutely lazy toon-boom format.
You got me on the Cal-Arts styling. I can't defend that, these TTG cartoons are cracked out like sausages. But if you think "Animaniacs" never took so pretty egregious shortcuts themselves, you should get your eyes checked.
>At least with Gumball, you get a lot of fun variability and even if it has random humor and other things.
TTG a much slower paced slice of life. It's good, but not scratching the same itch. Some people like cartoons paced like a rollercoaster ride. You're a mean old adult so that shit is too jarring, but kids love it. Time moves slower for them because each day they live is a much bigger part of their lives than someone that's lived a long time. Plus Gumball is not nearly as cynical and not nearly as meta. TTG touches more on the ridiculously cruel aspects of life without glorifying them. One of my favorite episodes is when Beast Boy joins a pyramid scheme. I wish they were cultivating this kind of cynicism when I was growing up, maybe so many of my peers wouldn't have gotten sucked into such obvious scams IRL. I feel like TTG is more like a cartoon version of "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" but again without the cruelty and violence.

>>9966
>And it just keeps going.
The sheer facepalm-worthy inability to see the obvious never grows old. You're just starting this again and it's going to circle back to the massive rant posts which I refuse to waste my time with this.
>scratch an itch
If you accept mediocre trash just to scratch an itch the quality of product will only get worse over time. It's your life, but I suggest you think really hard about why something like Tom & Jerry or TMNT is near universally considered actually fun and worth watching, and why TTG is regarded as unironically brain-rotting garbage.

Farewell

PS if we're going to go for a modern cartoon that is of the same type - The Ducktales reboot. I don't much like the art-style but it's still detailed and unique, with smooth animation and decent story-telling.

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>>9721
Hey nice job killing this thread by sperging out over some irrelevant 90s cartoons nobody gives a fuck about, faggots.

>>10387
>replying to a 2 week old argument to whine
&ltkilling this thread
Given that it literally created a lot of discussion that was on topic and thus posts… that's the exact opposite.

If there's something I've learned in the past couple of years is that a considerable amount of animators in the industry are austists, degenerates or both. And it doesn't just apply to current era animators. Maybe it's time to stop taking that shit so seriously.

>>9710
>Tight-fitting shirts DO
kek I hope that pic wasn't your example.

>>10390
>Given that it literally created a lot of discussion that was on topic
Whining for half a thread about the supposed popularity of Animaniacs, the Godfather and pop culture in the 90s has nothing to do with the OP you fucking autist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCDu4nmt8M

So the Animaniacs trailer dropped recently… holy fuck was it a ride.
>Orange Man Bad
>Mansplaining
>Queen Bae
&ltonly other characters who aren't the Warners is Pinky and Brain… and even the, they're more impotent than the Pinky, Mindy and Brain spinoff.
… just fucking stop.

The only good parts was the Black Lights joke, the Anime references and Pinky's Catfish humor. And I guess they're self-aware of their own shittiness

>>10485
>pic wasn't your example
It is, and its pretty good too; transparency aside, it defines her curves well.
>Whining for half a thread about the supposed popularity of Animaniacs
They were popular, especially since they're getting a reboot, that's a fact Jack.
>the Godfather
The Godfather is considered among the best films of the past century, so just stop.
>pop culture in the 90s
Relevant to the Animaniacs argument
>nothing to do with the OP
OP is asking about the status of animation today, animaniacs was an example of 90s animation being brought up, and the new reboot lamented. This became a discussion and then an argument, it's still relevant to the thread, unless you're being unnecessarily pedantic about the thread being explicitly about animation, which is fucking retarded.
>you fucking autist
Ok Kettle
>also
shut the fuck up you sage-posting whiner, your post is the last post in over 2 weeks, so I'd say your bitching is probably what killed it.

>a considerable amount of animators in the industry are austists, degenerates or both.
Ya don't fucking say? Gee Willikers, thanks for telling us something people knew about back when Ren and Stimpy first aired and Doug Winger was creating the furry 'community'.
>stop taking that shit so seriously
Taking what seriously? Their mental instability or their animation? No-one cares about their mental shit unless the discussion is about animators as people. People mostly care about the animation and art-style.

>>10387
stay mad

the best way to animate is just draw lots of wojaks

I don't give a fuck about whatever styles cartoons have these days, I'm more concerned about executive meddling and the neverending exploitation of animators and writers.

>>11443
> executive meddling and the neverending exploitation of animators and writers.
So something that gets solved by capitalism being eliminated then.

Getting back on topic.

The biggest entertainment name in history would have enough resources to not recycle animation cycles nowadays. Particularly when it is entirely CGI.

I mean… back in the day? When you had to hand draw each and every cell of animation? Yeah, I can see being cheap, or at least not wanting to cramp you hand over and over again while drawing it all.

But Frozen is a question of base character design when you can make rigs and shit, right? I realize it is likely more complicated than it looks, but you still start with a base model that simplifies things greatly that you can just copy and paste between scenes.

>>11772
Excellent post bumping

Man I really hate that Dreamwork repeatedly abandons its most promising ideas for literal cheap shlock for NO GOOD REASON. It's becoming so common that the amount of cash they waste on cancelled films is actually harmful to their bottom line, so it really makes you think that they might be feeding people shit on purpose over good stuff to desensitize the current consumerist generation even further despite the anger, because even the anger makes it more known and normalized.

Take the recently cancelled Monkey's of Mumbai, not only is it an incredibly unique and diverse idea - using Indian and Hindu culture and mythology for it's basis, and even had religious consultations approve of the ideas. It has a simple but good story, good characters and is a tale that isn't commonly known to non-Indian audiences. Instead Indians get representation primarily as Apu in Simpsons and more egregiously, various roles of them being horny accented idiots in America, or in obscure Bollywood parodies.
I honestly had been hopeful about this film and am very disappointed it got dropped. China's Tale of White Serpent, Ne Zha, Son Wukong and Jiang Ziya are solid depictions of their mythologies and Indian mythology ought to appear in such quality too.

Anyone else recognize most of these animations and animators? List off the ones you noticed.

Frankly I'm really surprised that Tintin never really got an animated series, the only thing they had is that one film that had excellent 3D CGI but that's about it. Even Asterix and Obelix had more animated media than Tintin. It's not for a lack of good French/European animators either, given the numerous
French and other cartoons and animated films I had the pleasure of seeing back in the day.

Speaking of Tintin, I found a full (uncolored) copy of "Tintin in the USSR" in original French.
https://www.imagefap.com/pictures/1262238/01-Tintin-au-pays-des-soviets
No it is not a parody.

>>21141
Fuck you I cried

>>21160
Nostalgia and Anemoia is a strong thing, sorry anon.

>she-ra related thread
time to post best girl

>>21159
Tintin had a na animated series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9NlFNp592I&list=PLLhOnau-tupSTtzeAeWjtIPCeD5mzzs_N

>>21165
Huh, I didn't see that series, must have scrolled by it in wikipedia

>>21161
>Anemoia
thanks, I had forgotten this word
But I cried because the editing and animation were beautiful

>>21166
we've had it air on Swedish TV since at least the 90's

>>21168
Although this is in English I never saw this air in my area of the States, and I watched some fairly obscure cartoons in my day.

>>21167
>had forgotten this word
It's kind of amnesic, you remember it, and then forget it right as you need to use it.
>the editing and animation were beautiful
Yes, old school animation is priceless, too bad no Soviet stuff got used, but that's ok.
Also, since it's technically a AMV, feel free to peruse >>>/anime/71

>>21141
Youtube blocked the video because they're cucks. Here's the video file

>>21164
I prefer the original Entrapta tbh

>>7683
>fixing she ra by giving her bigger tits and eyelashes

Give her a bigger package you cowards

On a somewhat related note the Nimona movie on netflix has some nice cg animation, but feels like a dollar store version of Shrek.

And the whole thing about the whole world being safe and beautiful but no one knew about it because they literally just never looked over the fucking wall was absolutely retarded.

>>35722
Nimona didn't give me Shrek vibes to be honest, Shrek was a very different creature (no pun intended) both plot wise and character wise, I think you may be associating the two simply because it's a bit crass in places as Shrek was. I enjoyed Nimona even in spite of it, and looking over the wall was plausibly deniable for the sake of the story.
On the topic of good independent Western cartoons, I highly suggest The Sea Beast, it's very unique.
>Give her a bigger package you cowards
LOL no.

I find a lot of youtube efforts to be pretty inspiring and refreshing, like Lackadaisy for example

>>35725
you're a coward and a weakling

>>35812
Jesus Christ that's an abomination of a Jojo balloon animal. At least have better taste in futa m8.

>>35725
>>35722
I recently watched the Dreamworks Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken Movie. It was pretty lame to be honest, and it's entire plot feels like a femcel movie where beautiful girls are evil and "ugly" non-traditionally beautiful girls are hidden beauties in a lazy "be yourself" message. It's a plot that has existed for a long time, but in this particular film it's quite a step over something like Heathers.
They were REALLY banking on discount Ariel to bring in tickets out of spiting Disney and it justifiably lost a lot more money simply because the movie was terrible looking and had a very mediocre story to begin with.
Now I've never liked yurishit because it's almost never good, but unironically I think the movie (probably) wouldn't have flopped (as hard) if it actually was a romance between Ruby and Chelsea instead of whatever nonsense it turned out to be. Sure some people wouldn't like a lesbian movie but if it's done tastefully it'd be at least interesting. Hell it has a typical "enemies to friends/lovers" vibe.
Also, it had a really bad schedule to release in movie theaters all around. The new Spiderverse movie just hit cinemas and was destroying the box office in money and the Mario movie was released to home video after it made a world record for highest grossing animated movie yet. Production wise it is a significant downgrade from Puss in Boots 2. But at least it has something for the fetish-audience; giantess, tentacles, etc.

TL;DR: It's a typical teen drama movie but as one review for it said, there's a simpler, more sincere movie underneath it all that seems to be taunting audiences, like a glowing shape from deep below. If they took some more time to streamline the story it would have been pretty good I think, though the art style was frankly too janky and Illumination-tier rubbery. It's similar to Turning Red tbh, an interesting concept playing with mythologies within a modern human society, but its done horribly. Cheap girl movies like Aquamarine were better executed than this.