No.19684
Linux Mint
No.19685
Linux Mint since Ubuntu is turning increasingly shite from what I hear. perhaps Lubuntu is still decent
I use Debian
No.19686
Gentoo, Arch, Void.
No.19687
>>19683IMO you can start with any "advanced" distro if you give yourself the time to learn it. Once you have your main programs set up, using them will naturaly make you accustomed to their specific workflow. If you wanted to avoid the command line as much as possible, that would entail having a file manager, program bar, right-click menu and installing smaller graphic configurators as needed.
Archlinux has an accessible learning curve due to the large community. Its deep flaws only come to the surface after prolonged use and by then you should know what you want from a distro. Any system setup ultimately boils down to installing programs and configuring them according to their documentation. The archlinux repo, aur and wiki ease beginners into this paradigm.
>>19684Mint is acceptable, as they take pains to remove questionable aspects from ubuntu upstream. Antix is a much preferable alternative though. While also based on debian, it has significantly less of the brokenness regularly assaulting windows users: obtuse error messages and buggy background processes (see all software on freedesktop.org).
No.19689
Void Linux, if you want one that is still linux-y. and trust me, you will come to appreciate features like easily writing startup scripts, managing startup and running services in general, sane defaults in applications, file structure that makes sense, helpful community, etc.
https://voidlinux.org/download/https://docs.voidlinux.org/installation/index.html
>but why not Arch, Gentoo or Slackwarewhile Slackware (
or as I like to call it Slackware+AlienBOB) and Gentoo are good and stable, Slackware's lack of a package manager makes it difficult to install new applications and hunting for sources to drivers can be fun when you're 15 and have nothing to do, but otherwise it's a hassle. Gentoo has a package manager, but still compiles everything from source so installing anything takes a while, which can be annoying when you just wanna install and use something quickly. Arch is a mess, don't even bother.
If you want something akin to the windows experience, then any Debian-derivative with KDE should do.
No.19690
>beginners
It's an operating system, not chess
No.19691
I'm into competitive distro hopping.
No.19692
I'd say start with Linux mint, familiarize yourself with the command line and try to find FOSS alternatives to stuff you'd normally use.
After a few months when you aren't too busy, skip all the distro hopping and just go straight to NixOS, since using Ubuntu/Debian eventually leads to using Arch, and Arch eventually leads to either Void or NixOS. Don't know much about Void, but I recommend NixOS since it simplifies the whole dotfiles process, and I haven't broken my system once yet.
No.19693
>>19692speaking of programs, what kind of work do you usually do on your 'puter OP? just browsing and email or?
No.19694
>>19690Not all distros have good learning curves. The average Window and Mac user has not put up with *nix eccentricities for decades. New users would be better served with those distros that do a good job simplifying configuration and maintenance so they don't have to jump into the deep end.
No.19699
>>19695I'm a pro-capitalism liberal btw if that matters
No.19708
>>19699kill yourself then
No.19717
arch linux, i've used linux since 3 years ago and out of all the distros i've used i prefer that one the most
i'm pretty certain they added an installer to that distro, but either way you can also install endeavour os instead or something which is just arch linux but with gui installer
but anyways op did you already choose a distro
No.19720
>>19719it's like saying all you have to do to build a motorcycle is to also follow the instructions
I mean, it's a notable achievement
No.19721
>>19720>typing ./configure && make && make install is an achievementThe only complicated pieces are kernel and bootloader. You can get by with the debian kernelconfig and the archwiki page about bootloaders should explain everything well enough.
No.19722
>>19720It's cool but I find it very weird how people mythologize GNU/Linux as some dark art that can only be learned by the chosen ones and even they have to study it for decades before becoming comfortable with it.
No.19725
>>19683KDE Spin of Fedora, Kubuntu, or KDE Neon.
Linux mint if you want a stable system.
If you don't like the Windows GUI and you have 0iq then you will like GNOME.
I use OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with KDE btw. No.20541
Linux Mint Debian Edition. They are gonna didch Ubuntu and have their main version rebased on Debian anyway due to the Snap controversy.
If you want a rolling release avoid Manjaro, use Endeavour OS instead.
No.20544
>>19687>Archlinux has an accessible learning curve.This is terrible advice for someone who isn't already a programmer or used to how Unix like systems work.
>AntixIsn't Antix basically MX Linux? I've had great experiences with MX on 32bit x86
>Gentoo has a package manager, but still compiles everything from source so installing anything takes a whileOn a modern PC that's not an issue. If you don't care about electricity consumption and only about the time.
I can recompile all my packages in about 10h so while I sleep. That is if I use the binary version of firefox, which comes directly from Mozilla. The other long compile is GCC but I update it roughly once every 3 months. So a regular weekly update doesn't take more than 5 hours, and I try to sleep more than that a day. + you can ctrl+z and suspend the process. Do your work if you need those resources then resume it. But I also use a minimalist WM. I assume if I had to compile 400 KDE packages it would make updates much longer. But I don't use KDE.
No.20546
>>20541>They are gonna didch Ubuntu and have their main version rebased on Debian anyway due to the Snap controversy. Where are you getting this from?
I get no relevant search results returned when searching DDG for this
I would
really like a Linux Mint (mainline) rebased on Debian
No.20547
>>20546On their download page
>Its goal is to ensure Linux Mint can continue to deliver the same user experience if Ubuntu was ever to disappear. It allows us to assess how much we depend on Ubuntu and how much work would be involved in such an event. LMDE is also one of our development targets, as such it guarantees the software we develop is compatible outside of Ubuntu.So I was speculating. But Ubuntu is on the path of depending more and more on snap (which disqualifies them from being a free distro, even when using the brodest definition of free.) Meanwhile Linux Mint mentainers hate Snaps and prefer flatpaks. So it might happen. Tho I've used LMDE in the past and it is worthy of being a daily driver in it's current state.
No.20548
Any distros come with programs like Librewolf by default?
I.e. rudimentary privacy preconfigs, but not so over-the-top that it would be completely alienating and difficult to the average Jay (not Tails/Whonix/Qubes/Gentoo)?
Something like PureOS but maintained and intended for a general audience (not just Purism customers).
No.20551
>>20548>Any distros come with programs like Librewolf by default? Not that I know of. If you're on arch just compile it from the AUR using your AUR helper. Otherwise there is a flatpak released by the lobrewolf community on flathub, which is the quickest way of getting it + you get the flatpak sandboxing options, so you don't have to think about that.
No.20555
>>20548>Any distros come with programs like Librewolf by default?Apparently FreeBSD, LiGurOS, nixpkgs, OpenIndiana, PCLinuxOS and RebornOS have it according to
https://repology.org/project/librewolf/versions you can use that site to see if any program you are interested is packaged by a distro
>Something like PureOS but maintained and intended for a general audience (not just Purism customers).There are other free distros, see
https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html No.20655
>>19683Start with Linux Mint. It's easy.
No.20661
>>20655This. You can do everything you can do with Debian and Ubuntu on Mint and it looks like a desktop that people are familiar with.
No.20662
>>19683Is there a "point and click" linux distro? I don't wanna use commands to do everything.
No.20663
>>20662That is exactly what mandriva is.
>Mandriva Linux contained the Mandriva Control Center, which eases configuration of some settings. It has many programs known as Drakes or Draks, collectively named drakxtools, to configure many different settings. Examples include MouseDrake to set up a mouse, DiskDrake to set up disk partitions and drakconnect to set up a network connection. They are written using GTK+ and Perl, and most of them can run in both graphical and text mode using the ncurses interface.The original project is dead, but there is an active fork at
https://openmandriva.org No.20711
>>20662>Is there a "point and click" linux distro?The best point-and-click OS is 9front, but no Unix-likes' DE utilizes the mouse in the same manner sadly, and neither does Windows. I haven't really researched into it as I prefer keyboard-driven interfaces since you don't have to switch back-and-forth between mouse and keyboard.
Stacking WMs were a mistake.
No.20715
>>19683Ubuntu or mint. Don't overthink it. It's just like going from Mac to windows or another OS.
No.20716
>>19683anything but manjaro
No.20720
>>20711I agree that rio/9term/acme has the most useful and consistent mouse interface. The anon you replied to is statedly averse to commands though. The strength of the plan9 ui lies not in avoiding commands. Quite to the contrary it eases manipulation and execution of text.
>no Unix-likes' DE utilizes the mouse in the same manner sadlyYou can get X-Windows compatible plan9 software through plan9port. Windows even has self-contained sam and acme distributions.
>I prefer keyboard-driven interfaces since you don't have to switch back-and-forth between mouse and keyboard.Douglas Engelbart designed the mouse in conjunction with a chording keyboard, but i don't think the bell labs team used any.
Some people are quite adept at touch-typing with one hand. I remember Dennis Ritchie saying he did on a mailing list.
No.20820
Kubuntu. Don't use anything else or you're a nerd. Replace some of the default apps though, like qBittorrent instead of KTorrent.
No.20823
>>19683What about the Hannah Montana distro?
No.20830
>>20820What's wrong with KTorrent? It has every feature that qBittorrent has, except for maybe the search engine.
No.20831
>>20830that's the most useful feature.
No.20873
>>20830>>20831Ktorrent also doesn't appear to have qBittorrent's anonymous mode (at least from it's wiki page).
No.20881
>>19690I've noticed a tendency of some people to act like what they do is easy simply because they've been immersed in it for a long time. It's very socially unaware.
No.20893
>>20881I was able to set up and use Debian and Arch easily as a total noob coming from Windows. It helped that I had some curiosity and didn't have weird presumptions about computers.
No.20900
As a recent self-transformed Linux user, quite interested in FOSS as pushback against corporationist spyware and shit-design intended half-functionality I can reccomend Ubuntu Budgie (that was my first distro) or Linux Mint(more akin to Windows interface) to easily familiarise yourself with a differences between Linux and Windows/Mac systems. Just to gain certiain perspective and not feel intimidated by all the different apps, terminal usage etc. I'd reccomend after that or your other first distro for try out: ArcoLinux it's based on Arch and I chose it as a gateway to learn more about Arch when I'll be more skilled and start using it in a future. For now Arco is very stable it comes in different flavour for different needs as I noticed and most of all, even as it's a bit niche it has a real good source to learn how it operates and how the distro works piece by piece- Eric Dubois YT channel:
https://youtu.be/Jd8fKLki2Ks seriosuly this guy saved me from so much headache as a recent ArcoLinux noobie user. It'll reccomend to check it out. Also ArchWiki will definitely come in handy. Good luck on your adventure with Linux!
No.20975
>>20823It's a meme and probably not maintained.
No.21074
>>20662if you dont want to use command lines at all then you shouldnt use linux. just being honest.
No.21077
>>21074It's perfectly usable without using CLI, unless you want to really fine tune the system, automate shit, etc. Stuff that you couldn't do on Windows/Mac anyway without use of CLI and scripting, and even then you were far more limited. Not to mention that most of this shit is actually configured via text files, and you can use whatever GUI text editor you want for that.
To conclude: if your needs are the same as a Windows/Mac user than you absolutely don't need to touch the command line at all.
If you want to go beyond that then you're probably a geek interested in CLI and scripting anyway.
No.24634
Nobara is cool if your a gamer
No.24635
>>19719LFS gets even easier if you add in a standalone package manager on top like nix or guix
No.24637
I recently took the djb-pill and moved my mail server from openbsd to alpine linux with s6 and qmail. It's a shame 99% of people using a computer will never experience the joys of lean, modular software and reliable logging infrastructure.
>>24635Is there a benefit to a LFS base system over a conventionally minimal distro like slackware besides the ability to bootstrap from any C compiler?
No.24638
>>24637>moved my mail server from openbsd to alpine linuxHardening by default goes bye-bye.
No.24640
>>19683Lain-themed GNU/Linux is kinda charming.
No.24642
>>24638you don't know what you're talking about:
>pf is nice and has a sane default policy<my mailserver runs behind a firewall>the openbsd monitoring scripts may be useful for some people<people who don't sit right next to the server AND have a ssh permanently open>opensmtp can't compete with the security-conscious architecture of qmail>many exploit mitigations are ineffective and/or already exists under linux>bsd boot scripts are a couple of unsupervised shell scripts started by init>the service manager has feature parity with sysvinitbesides in practice an openbsd release certainly is LESS hardened than that of a linux-lts distro used in countless embedded systems and containers.
No.24646
>>19689As a multi-year Void user, the only real flaw of that distro is that it doesn't run on systemd and uses a shitty glorified while loop to manage it's services
No.24648
>>24646>uses a shitty glorified while loop to manage it's servicesS6 fixes every deficiency of runit. Its service control is event based and supports parallel startup while still being lightweight, simple to understand and providing all daemontools functionality.
No.24649
>>24648Installation manual? Features?
Also what's a logging daemon for void that isn't dogshit?
svlogtail is garbage and the demonstration that simple is not better
No.24650
>>24649See
http://skarnet.org/software/s6/Logging is done by
http://skarnet.org/software/s6/s6-log.htmlSupervised s6 services can have their own associated logging daemons. They can have different privileges and also do log rotation. Logs are read the service from a pipe to the service provided by fdholder, so no logs are lost when a service dies. This also avoids the /dev/log bottleneck.
No.24654
>>24642But OpenBSD users always say how OpenBSD is way more secure than GNU/Linux…
No.24658
arch linux if youre attentive enough to read the wiki
No.24661
>>24658all archlinux does is tail debian and fedora while fumbling it with their own atrocious release model (i.e. none). it has all of the problems of the current systemd stack and only a fraction of the testing that goes into the software on the other distros.
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