An anon a while back recommended Star Trek to me because it was the most "communist" media produced in capitalist society. All Captain Kirk does is hop from planet to planet and fuck space bitches. Is there communism or have I been memed? Apparen

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Anonymous 2021-03-24 (Wed) 23:01:45 No.14770

An anon a while back recommended Star Trek to me because it was the most "communist" media produced in capitalist society. All Captain Kirk does is hop from planet to planet and fuck space bitches. Is there communism or have I been memed? Apparently the director of the show was influeced by Posadism but outside the aliens I do not see gommunism anywhere in the show.

Anonymous 2021-03-24 (Wed) 23:03:48 No.14771

TOS isn't Communist.
They even use cash to buy drinks at the bar.
TNG is more neoliberal. But the borg is arguably Communist.

Anonymous 2021-03-24 (Wed) 23:53:55 No.14772

maybe if you didn't notice they live in a post-scarcity society with no money, borders or property

Anonymous 2021-03-25 (Thu) 00:02:46 No.14773

>>14772
There are borders.
Star Fleet is pretty much post scarcity ancapistan

>The Prime Directive prohibits Starfleet personnel and spacecraft from interfering in the normal development of any society, and mandates that any Starfleet vessel or crew member is expendable to prevent violation of this rule.

>As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Starfleet personnel may interfere with the normal and healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes introducing superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely. Starfleet personnel may not violate this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship, unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over any and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest moral obligation.

Anonymous 2021-03-25 (Thu) 00:55:38 No.14774

>>14773
the prime directive is about interacting with cultures outside of the federation

Anonymous 2021-03-25 (Thu) 01:04:00 No.14775

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>>14774
but that includes every civilization outside of the """federation"""
I guess it depends on how you define "border"
First pic is from TOS: s01e08

Anonymous 2021-03-25 (Thu) 01:20:57 No.14776

>>14771
You didn't watch the show ? TNG didn't have money, The captain lectured a thawed out business man from the 20th century, how humanity had evolved beyond capitalism.

Anonymous 2021-03-25 (Thu) 01:32:03 No.14777

>>14776
Yeah, it's almost as though franchise canon doesn't matter. But OP was talking about TOS.
Vid is from TOS: s02e15

Anonymous 2021-03-25 (Thu) 01:56:07 No.14778

>>14777
>tribbles
Space capitalists try to scam space communists by marketing a space pest as a space pet.

Anonymous 2021-03-25 (Thu) 01:57:42 No.14779

TNG is pretty clearly fully automated luxury space communism. Then DS9 tears the canon to shreds with its Ferengi space credits and latinum bullshit.

Anonymous 2021-03-25 (Thu) 02:02:57 No.14780

>>14779
DS9 literally quotes Marx's and communist manifesto.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qag2bOBUVfQ

Anonymous 2021-03-25 (Thu) 02:03:21 No.14781

>>14780
Doesn't excuse the rest of it.

Anonymous 2021-03-25 (Thu) 02:11:00 No.14782

>>14780
The part about this episode that people miss is that the Federation functions as a landlord for Quark's bar and Sisko says the station has been graciously not demanding back rent until now, when he wants him to end the strike, implying the Federation is a landlord in other places too.

Anonymous 2021-03-25 (Thu) 07:01:44 No.14783

Use the catalog, we have a /trek/ thread.
>>1857

Anonymous 2021-04-02 (Fri) 15:56:30 No.14934

>>14782
I think the federation is more socialist, while they have to use some sort of capitalist exchange to deal with other species as they could be at war with them the next day.

Anonymous 2021-04-16 (Fri) 08:45:47 No.15159

>>14779
Ferengi are a different civilization. It's been established that the federation was nominally communist in contrast with other major powers in their region of the galaxy.

Anonymous 2021-04-19 (Mon) 08:20:03 No.15207

>>15159
Does the ferengi civilization live on borrowed time because eventually somebody will figure out how to replicate platinum without the P ?

Anonymous 2021-04-20 (Tue) 15:56:04 No.15220

>>14770
Nigga how do you think they managed space travel without communism

Anonymous 2022-04-13 (Wed) 03:15:58 No.24002

>>15220
>how do you think they managed space travel without communism
theres a reason we beat the Russians to the moon

Anonymous 2022-04-15 (Fri) 01:46:33 No.24040

>>24002
>theres a reason we beat the Russians to the moon
Yeah, they stopped giving a fuck about pointless venture of having men on a dead surface they couldn't feasibly terraform at the time, and instead put a lunar lander and a lunar rover on the moon and had a satellite fly around the dark-side of the moon all before the first supposed Apollo Mission.

Anonymous 2022-04-15 (Fri) 08:34:29 No.24046

>>14780
DS9 could be pretty reactionary about everything else, though, especially war and religion. And that's to say nothing that the show's central thesis ends up being that humanity, unlike what TNG argued for, CANNOT develop or progress, that we will be stuck with things like secret police and military coups and settler colonialism and realpolitik even in the future, and thinking we could ever do better as a species is either naive utopianism or state propaganda.

DS9's not a bad show, in fact it's probably the most well made classic Trek, but its vision is pretty bleak. Still 100X smarter show than Disco or Picard at least.

Anonymous 2022-04-15 (Fri) 15:46:10 No.24047

>>14782
The Federation just plays the stupid game (capitalism) that the Ferengi like so much and rewards them with stupid prizes (demanding rent from them that they have to use for lmao).

Anonymous 2022-04-15 (Fri) 18:27:53 No.24048

>>14773
>There are borders.
Between the Federation and the other factions who are not communists.

Anonymous 2022-04-15 (Fri) 18:29:18 No.24049

>>15207
They live on borrowed time becauase at the end of DS9 they get Rom as the Grand Nagus, and he has read Marx (at least implicitly since he quotes him)

Anonymous 2022-06-07 (Tue) 19:05:51 No.25810

>>24046
>that we will be stuck with things like secret police and military coups and settler colonialism and realpolitik even in the future

They literally overcome those things. They aren't "stuck with them." The existential threat of the Dominion War means the specter of those things reappears, but they're able to overcome them. TNG does the same thing with The Drumhead.

I don't think you really understand the show's central thesis.

Anonymous 2022-06-08 (Wed) 06:32:39 No.25829

>>24049
Rom is unironically a better socialist than Feddies, because he's actually read at least like a page of Marx, as opposed to just preaching "uhh, we got better and have no more famines or wars because something" like Picard always does.

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