No.1731280
>>1731273now I want to know what was the last one, some troubles shit I assume?
No.1731285
>>1731280https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Workers%27_Council_strike>The strike was called by unionists who were against the Sunningdale Agreement, which had been signed in December 1973. Specifically, the strikers opposed the sharing of political power with Irish nationalists, and the proposed role for the Republic of Ireland's government in running Northern Ireland.<The strike was organised and overseen by the Ulster Workers' Council and Ulster Army Council, which were formed shortly after the Agreement's signing. Both of these groups included Ulster loyalist paramilitaries such as the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) and Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF).[1] These groups helped to enforce the strike by blocking roads and intimidating workers.[1][2][3][4] During the two-week strike, loyalist paramilitaries killed 39 civilians, of whom 33 died in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.>Merlyn Rees had interpreted the strike, in which avowed loyalists had openly defied the British government, as an outbreak of Ulster nationalism.[33] Journalist Robert Fisk endorsed this view by arguing that:< The fifteen unprecedented, historic days in which a million British citizens, the Protestants of Northern Ireland, staged what amounted to a rebellion against the Crown and won… During those fifteen days, for the first time in over fifty years… a section of the realm became totally ungovernable. A self-elected provisional government of Protestant power workers, well-armed private armies and extreme politicians organized a strike which almost broke up the fabric of civilized life in Ulster. They deprived most of the population for much of the time of food, water, electricity, gas, transport, money and any form of livelihood.[34] No.1731291
And they were right.
Weren't they?
No.1731302
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48397-most-britons-support-yemen-strikes53% Britons claimed to support bombing of Yemen, however the survey sample is 2307 participants.
No.1731306
>>1731302Probably accurate, most people believe the media and it's not like there's much counter-narrative from the Houthis/pro-Palestine people.
No.1731354
>>1731282Lmao I can imagine myself 10 years ago caring and believing stuff in such a video, although actually I think it has been almost 10 years since Corbyn drew my interest into politics and then promptly showed me why bourgeois democracy is bollocks and how silly it is to place any faith in it as either a voter or a genuine politician. So thanks I guess Jez, if it weren't for you I'd be blissfully ignorant right now..
No.1731360
>>1731354This is why electorialism is important even if the game is rigged, it draws people to the left and exposes to them the lies about democracy we're all told.
No.1731363
>>1731360For sure, while bliss is nice, ignorance wasn't.
No.1731383
>>1731282Very nice how at 1:10 the word 'politician' is used to be synonymous with 'Conservative'; the speech writer has essentially adopted the 'populist' repetoire.
They're trying to paint Starmer as anything but for the technocrat that he is. For some godforsaken "Law And Order" rhetoric appeals to voters as well.
No.1731384
>>1731383Empty rhetoric is all Starmer has, he can't actually promise any policy changes because he doesn't believe in anything.
No.1731511
>>1731384Except that's the half the reason the electorate are taking to voting Labour in the next election; opportunism and a catch-all policy front which does nothing to deviate from the register of British electorialism - the very same which saw Blair elected by a landslide.
To laconically restate what someone else said within the last thread, this isn't a win for Starmer, but a loss for the Conservatives; they've failed to negotiate international developments with internal policy measures, the main being the response to energy price rises and inflation.
The conclusion you can naturally draw is that the British electorate are as cynical as their politicians. Dismissing Starmer as lacking in ideals completely misses the point: his entire campaign is a product of the partial demand for political stability, something the Conservatives have been unable to achieve after so long in power. This was arguably the reason they were first voted in, under the guise of a rational defence of the prevailing economic order from which the Brtiish public benefits, thanks to Cameron's unity and Labour's discohesion.
The British public know full well where their interests lie; they can march for social justice causes whilst still profiting from Western imperialism. Chiding Starmer for his lack of ideals is a complete hypocrisy when it has been and will continue to be the voting public who draw these affairs into order.
No.1731513
>>1731508>>1731509>>1731511Damn, how'd you triple post lmao
No.1731516
>>1731513Internet gremlins
No.1731553
>>1731511>whilst still profiting from Western imperialismLmao. Little bro be posting here from the 90s.
No.1731594
>>1731593people with the mentality that if they pay, everyone else has to really piss me off. just share.
No.1731609
>>1731553Strnage how the wellbeing of Western society hinges upon military adventurism
No.1731610
>>1731609It actually doesn't though, that shit just makes the poor poorer and only benefits the rich
No.1731614
>>1731511I frankly get the impression that Labour will underperform.
No.1731615
>>1731609>>1731610perhaps it makes the poor poorer but it's funny how the history of western apitalist expansion, industrialization and globalization was connected with warfare since the 1700s
No.1731619
>>1731602Yikes, but at least they always reveal themselves out of stupidity.
No.1731621
>>1731602He unliked that fast lol
No.1731624
>>1731609Even that's not true anymore.
Military adventurism over the past few years has done wonders to our economy.
No.1731631
>>1731610Well not really, because if Tesco has to buy oil, bananas, housewares, clothes, etc from third world producers at a price that would be fair and dignified for the producer, then Tesco is just going to pass the cost on to you rather than accept lower profit. Plus, we have a certain kind of industry here that depends on education not accessible in many poorer places, if the third world was getting the kind of moolah to build more schools/universities and to speculate on the same financial markets and perform the same services we do, then you'd be competing with them for work in the grand scheme of things.
So basically by beating down on nations means that the fine sweatshop workers of Bangladesh are restricted to manufacturing jobs we largely don't compete in and for pay that allows Tesco to achieve a very healthy profit margin for prices that for most people here can still afford.
No.1731636
I want to visit Marxs grave but in a twist of irony going to north london is expensive
No.1731642
>>1731636you have to pay to get in. my friend told me its a racket run by some old granny mafia
No.1731645
>>1731642What a load of shit.
No.1731688
>>1731681Hell yes, I'm truss enough.
No.1732609
>>1731614The funniest outcome is labour winning with a one seat majority that the lib dems or DUP can blow up at will
No.1732732
GCHQ have been monitoring my internet traffic for nearly two years now. I have unironically had my laptop and mobile phone hacked by them.
I wish I was joking. Everybody, say hello to GCHQ!
No.1732733
>>1732732bro they're doing that to everyone
No.1732734
Thankfully I'm too boring for the GCHQ to have an interest in me.
Maybe they are since I forced my local coop in stocking the Morning Star.
No.1732737
>>1732732Well how did they do that, how do you know, what do they have on you?
No.1732738
>>1732732>>1732733You don't understand bro. I'll do a summary for anybody who wants to know the details.
Around two years ago I did something regrettably stupid. It lead to me being tailed by MI5 for half a year, a covert surveillance warrant being issued by a judge, and having my phone and personal laptop hacked. One of the ways they loved to fuck with me was by leaving messages for me in chat auto-complete.
Fast forward to today. They have not left me alone. MI5 are gone but they still have their spyware on both my laptop and my phone. The consequences of what they did during the first year have eaten through me like moths through fucking wool.
But you know what I'm done fucking pretending. Absolutely nothing can warrant this. Nothing. This has now become some sad little exercise of trying to bait me into leading my life on their own terms. Instead I've grown a fucking back bone.
Say hello.
No.1732741
>>1732738>two years ago I did something regrettably stupidwhat like funding a prohibited group?
No.1732745
>>1732737During 2021 I was constantly being followed by at least two people. They even fucked with me and had the people who followed me to work sit outside the driveaway onto the main street and just watch me. I've had cars follow me to work and then follow me home, waiting in the parking lot until the end of my shift and when they see me leave work.
Like I said, one of their little ways of fucking with you is by leaving messages in your auto-complete suggestions.
>>1732741I won't say what, but proportionally, if you take into perspective the amount of manhours they have wasted reporting on my sad little life with regards to what I did, it is in no way worth it.
I'm just completely done. Absolutely nothing could warrant this.
No.1732761
>>1732752It's insane. I know full well they are reading this quite literally as I type it.
I've just absolutely snapped at the flagrant disregard I've endured as a result of this. There is absolutely no dignity in it. I've raked myself over the coals so many times but that doesn't matter in their view.
So I'm done man. I've gone through the motions of not knowing whether to thank them because I feel obligated in some regard, to condemning them. I'm quite literally done. I just want to be left alone.
No.1732766
>>1732761this seems to be very real and not the fabrication of a mentally ill person
No.1732773
>>1732766Pull the other one
I've was followed by MI5 for half a fucking year. One of their favourite ways of discrediting what you have to say is by accusing you of being mentally ill.
It would almost be funny if it weren't for the fact that forensic technicians showed up and you fuckers ransacked the house of the individual opposite in your search for whodunnit.
No.1732776
>>1732773Which leads us neatly to the fucking peak of our climb: four plain clothes officers showed up with badges and forensic gloves immediately the day after the incident.
Perhaps the only reason I'm still here is because I know the name of the road in which literal fucking spooks live on.
No.1732864
>>1732773>>1732853Nah this is interesting, he can take his meds later
No.1732868
Alright, listen up, kids.
You shouldn't automatically dismiss everyone who says they are under surveillance. What do you think the secret police do with their massive amounts of cash?
You should treat it like homeless. Just like being unsheltered or whatever they call it now, being followed by cops could hit anyone. I believed homelessness was a fringe phenomenon until I really saw the state of america and had some personal contact with americans for example.
At the same time I have heard very credible stories of being under watch (this is decades ago). And these guys were not extremist in any way.
No.1732871
>>1732868>>1732853>>1732864I was just about to say if he needs meds it's because of this
No.1732875
>>1732864Yeah maybe I was too quick. This has the potential to be a good bit.
No.1732876
>>1732868Next time it happens start walking up to them be pleasant and ask them if they'd like a cuppa
Serious
No.1732877
On a side note, what is the practical purpose of the glowies sending G-men to physically watch and surveil suspects? Surely they can just track you using your phone or car these days.
No.1732896
>>1732877At a demonstration you may want people to have their phones unplugged
This is a good way to avoid being kettled ie. cauldroned
If you do that you will get fair bit of surveillance
No.1732900
>>1732875>>1732871I'm not crazy. I just want this ridiculous charade to end. They could be the nicest people you ever meet or the most deranged psychopaths, it doesn't alter the nature of the social relation they have to you, which is a form of injustice.
>>1732877A phone can only provide so much information. There may be people you meet or speak with during the day, activities you do that they cannot track without human surveillance.
No.1732907
>>1732900I should say it's not a form of injustice, but simply justice. It's an unequal social relation in which every part of you scrutinised and open for comment. You have no right to defend yourself because you are in a way guilty, by virtue of being in the system.
Because only someone who is guilty feels the need to defend themself.
No.1732911
>>1732900>>1732907Come on tell us what you did lad. Or at least the nature of the crime.
No.1732920
>>1732918>>1732911Tor exit
!!Probably comped by burgers but
No.1732928
>>1732920Tor at least protects you from the jannies and makes the glowie's job slightly harder.
No.1732929
>>1732911I'm not going to say what it is that set this all off. I just wish someone had been there on my side when it started, because it has had consequences that I am still struggling to live with.
No.1732937
>>1732929Have you got a record and shit now?
No.1732945
>>1732928Yes, but I'm not going to try and suggest it's safe to someone especially in a discussion like this.
>>1732929How are you coping?
Self care is important!!
No.1732967
>>1732928>>1732945It's better than nothing if you want to talk a bit more freely for what it's worth
There's information sharing between the 5 eyes but it's by request as far as I know
No.1732978
>>1732945I've stopped taking care of myself. Whenever I go out now I take earphones with me so I can just disconnect.
I suppose from the perspective of those who are paid to monitor my traffic all I've done here is screamed a bit and shit my pants, which I have in a way.
At the end of the day it makes as much a difference as the NSA hoovering up your traffic, and being on a seperate list for interception.
No.1732998
>>1732978>I suppose from the perspective of those who are paid to monitor my traffic all I've done here is screamed a bit and shit my pants, which I have in a way. Why care what they think?
No.1733624
>>1733578>worker slow walks towards the disaster, unphasedyup, you know that's not the worst that happened there
No.1733658
>>1733578They need to start putting proper brakes on these ships. Something like this seems to happen every other day.
No.1734414
>>1733658>They need to start putting proper brakes on these shipsI'm not sure you know how ships work.
No.1734417
>>1734414Backwards thrusters
No.1734418
>>1734414Apparently neither do the people at the helm of those ships
No.1734423
God the Fabian Society is absolutely spineless now. I'm going to read some H.G Wells and be melancholic for a bit.
No.1734425
>>1734417they would need to be massive to compensate for the inertia
No.1734457
>>1732745>>1732738Unironically keep wasting their time. Seriously.
It's wasted resources and a (granted small) frustration to the pipeline.
No.1734765
Randomly decided to pick up a copy of Private Eye, pretty disappointing tbqh even for an obviously liberal newspaper. Pretty much the entire paper revolves around different figures in Whitehall and Fleet Street and that's pretty much the scope of it, it seems.
Maybe if one cares about the parliamentary democracy in this country and thinks it matters, then perhaps it's a riot to read, but hearing about how incompetent, corrupt and hypocritical bourgeois politicians are privileged to be with a bourgeois state is not a surprise nor particularly aggravating when you can see the forest for the trees.
So, like, what's the point? Just sitting on the side of politics and having short articles that are like
>That MP has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar 'in he? What a numpty! He won't receive any consequences though!
I guess you have to be in that sphere to care or find it funny or cutting.
No.1735466
>>1734765It was probably allowed to exist in the way that it did in the past because the ruling classes didn't really feel under threat. Things are different now so it's been defanged. It broke major espionage scandals in the past I think.
No.1735538
I’m wondering. Seeing this as a Burgerfat, is the UK dying?
No.1735540
>>1735466Sure, there's a spread which is supposed to be like the Tory cabinet WhatsApp group and my word it's unfunny in a kind of Facebook boomer meme way, so it could be that or it's also possibly just that Ian Hislop has been the editor for nearly 40 years now and the humour just isn't keeping up with the times, because after 40 years of endless scandals in government, we surely must be beyond just Spitting Image caricatures of people who clearly don't
need to give a shit what people think of them because they'll always win in the end.
No.1735961
>>1735538The UK died 40 years ago.
No.1736484
>>1735408How do people get past the age restriction on YouTube. Do you actually give them your banking details?
No.1736940
Is joining the YCL worth it?
No.1737129
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1883/letters/83_08_30.htm"Do not on any account whatever let yourself be deluded into thinking there is a real proletarian movement going on here"
"Participation in the domination of the world market was and is the basis of the political nullity of the English workers"
- Friedrich Engels
>>1736940I agree with this anons question is it? or what's the next best organization?
No.1737289
>>1736824So Keir just needs to defect to the Tories and he'd easily win a landlisde
No.1737431
>>1736940Absolutely, joining an actual organisation is much better than just sitting around on the internet. Getting to discuss with actual communists IRL is great.
No.1737460
>>1737431But is it the best ML youth organisation to join? Or should I say is it the best organisation to join to meet actual Marxists.
I'm looking at their website and they have lots of great learning materials, very professional and in depth. I'm just wondering if anyone here is a member.
No.1737514
>>1737510They're desperate.
No.1737653
https://news.sky.com/story/british-army-chiefs-call-to-mobilise-the-nation-in-the-event-of-war-should-be-listened-to-tobias-ellwood-says-13055161"General Sir Patrick Sanders will reportedly warn the British public they will have to be called up to fight in the event of a war because the military is too small"
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/british-public-called-up-fight-uk-war-military-chief-warns/"the army chief doesn’t support conscription, but rather a “change in mindset” whereby the UK public is prepared for an all-out war"
All anons here, I'm sure we refuse to die for imperialism, more important I will not die for Israel.
No.1737657
>>1737653Yeah sorry, nah I'm not joing the army.
Arrest me I don't care.
No.1737659
>>1737653https://www.lbc.co.uk/opinion/views/gen-z-will-not-accept-conscription/"Unlike our predecessors, this generation would be going to the front line with a clear idea of the bloody realities of a global conflict, rather than being sustained by jingoism or the fantasy of a war that would be ‘over by Christmas’…"
"I simply cannot see Gen Z or millennials accepting this; conscientious objections and civil disobedience would be abundant"
No.1737683
>>1737510can he start by deporting himself
No.1737688
>>1737653I am medically exempt: my dick is too big the Russians would just see me from a mile off.
No.1737696
>>1737460Unless you are Welsh, it is the best
Marxist-Leninist organisation to join. Not exactly the best pool of competition though.
No.1737701
>>1737696I suppose I like the CPB, so maybe I will join.
No.1737715
>>1737701CPB is shit tbh, YCL are able to get people to rock up to stuff but they are also a weird Stalin fanclub and aren't great at organising outside of their own events. Tbh if you want to do real activism get involved with a tenants' union or join like Palestine Action.
No.1737719
>>1737715>Stalin fanclubI don't know their opinion of Stalin is fine, I don't think Stalin was perfect but he wasn't bad. It's the CPGB-MLs Stalin fetish I can't stand.
No.1738013
>>1738006I'm saying fuck off and closing the door.
Arrest me I don't care.
No.1738021
>>1737659Based kids
I'd rather go to prison than go to war, but people can just go to other countries anyway
No.1738024
The British Army has always been a reactionary force. I wouldn't trust them in any capacity.
No.1738026
>>1737659".
The war in Ukraine, instability in the Middle East and the seemingly perennial threat of Chinese expansionism in Taiwan has ushered in the greatest threat to peace in my lifetime. Respected MPs are talking about us facing a 1939 moment. The chairman of NATO's Military Committee has warned of conflict with Russia in the next two decades and, not to be outdone, Defence Secretary Grant Shapps last week lamented that we are "moving from a post-war to pre-war world".
Yet arguably the most significant intervention has come today from the head of the British Army, General Sir Patrick Sanders. In a heavily-trailed speech, Sir Patrick has argued that in the event of war with Russia, young people could be conscripted because our military is “too small”.
There would be clear differences between the conscription drives of WWI and WWII. Most obviously, our streets will not be tattooed with jaundiced-yellow posters of the moustachioed Lord Kitchener.
Instead, we’ll have the likes of Dermot O’Leary and Paul from The Traitors popping up on our social media feeds calling on us to do our duty.
But the horrors of conscription will remain the same. Unlike our predecessors, this generation would be going to the front line with a clear idea of the bloody realities of a global conflict, rather than being sustained by jingoism or the fantasy of a war that would be ‘over by Christmas’.
I simply cannot see Gen Z or millennials accepting this; conscientious objections and civil disobedience would be abundant.
To be clear, this is not a lazy caricature of much-maligned generations.
The reality is, given the unspeakable horrors that global conflict would ignite, they will rightly question why their blood must be spilled to compensate for the failures of successive governments to properly defend our national security interests.
In the last 20 years, troop numbers have fallen precipitously. In 2004, 114,000 brave men and women were serving in our armed forces - but that figure has dropped to just 75,000 now. Numbers are projected to slump even further, potentially dipping below 70,000 in the next few years.
Yes, some of this decline can be explained by the changing nature of warfare, but the stark reality is that we have paid insufficient attention to our defence capabilities for far too long.
Sir Patrick’s frustration is palpable and it should be a major wakeup call for everyone in the country, and in particular those who’ve overseen the gradual reduction in troop numbers and the forecasted falls in real-terms defence spending.
We have been too complacent for too long. To protect our country, and our young people, we must be prepared to make sacrifices to bolster our defences. Conscription should be a final resort, not a result of our failures to properly resource our military."
Lol what a twat
No.1738027
>>1738006I wonder what percentage would actually be eligible anyway. A massive chunk of the male population would be excluded from service because of obesity, mental elf, drug use, criminal record, common health conditions and student status. You would end up with about 10% actually being fit for service.
No.1738029
>>1738027Isn't the British Army full of fat cunts anyway.
I'm sure this is some stupid reserve force the military want to create, assuming that the British population still believes in Churchill romanticism and that this will be regarded the same way as the Home Guard.
No.1738041
>>1738039
It was, or at least its training and philosophy was.
No.1738042
>>1738029What would we even be guarding against I wonder? The Russian navy is shit and the Ukrainians have sunk half of it anyway.
No.1738043
>>1738042Churchill set up a second Home Guard in 1951 to defend against Sovvie paratroopers.
The only time Soviets ever crossed into our territory was Soviet bombers that would constantly be followed by our jets, but there was never any incidents.
No.1738044
>>1738043>Churchill set up a second Home Guard in 1951 to defend against Sovvie paratroopers.Huh I did not know that.
No.1738050
>>1738044It is lesser known. But mostly because there was already national service, where we rewarded our colonial allies by attacking their liberation movements.
No.1738063
>>1738027Yea it's not fuking happening lmao. It'd make a 10/10 sitcom though.
No.1738093
>>1738021Same here would rather go prison, but best bet and probably realistically possible, get out the country as soon as possible.
Gen Z will not go and die for imperialism.
>>1738026Yeah the author is a dickhead, who wants to send fellow young people off to their deaths.
>>1738029yeah it is impractical and a stupid policy.
I'd hope Churchill romanticism is downhill, but just looking at Gen Z to Millennial and even Older into 40s or 50s, across social media like Twitter or TikTok, people seem to be very against any sort of military coercion, this is good.
Just like how the US Public may cheer on wars but won't sacrifice themselves or families, I bet it's the same for the UK public.
No.1738098
>>1738093I have an Irish citizenship from my dad so I could go anywhere in the EU, lucky me.
Yeah he just doesn't want to go himself.
As for the original article though, pretty hilarious, the general wants the public to 'think more like the troops', how about no, go fuck off and get fragged
No.1738099
>>1738024Agreed with this.
British Army since its inception has always been reactionary, serving and loyal to the Monarchy, I'm not aware of any mutinies, and the British Army has a long history of colonialism, Imperialism, which continues to this day, as we are seeing with Yemen; then there's the issues of racism, nazism, sexism, assault and rape … any sort of conscription would be a death sentence for the working class which it already is through coerced volunteering, like going to poor areas schools to convince kids to be a cadet then the army, disgusting bullshit
No.1738107
>>1738099And let's not forget, paratroopers shooting a target of Corbyn, horrible
No.1738113
>>1738107They would instigate a coup if this country became socialist.
No.1738493
>>1738113A very British coup, if you will.
The Americans would instigate it tho.
No.1738617
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/advanced-future-military-laser-achieves-uk-first"During a trial at the MOD’s Hebrides Range, the DragonFire laser directed energy weapon (LDEW) system achieved the UK’s first high-power firing of a laser weapon against aerial targets. The range of DragonFire is classified, but it is a line-of-sight weapon and can engage with any visible target."
"DragonFire exploits UK technology to be able to deliver a high power laser over long ranges. The precision required is equivalent to hitting a £1 coin from a kilometre away."
"Laser-directed energy weapons can engage targets at the speed of light, and use an intense beam of light to cut through the target, leading to structural failure or more impactful results if the warhead is targeted."
"Firing it for 10 seconds is the cost equivalent of using a regular heater for just an hour. Therefore, it has the potential to be a long-term low-cost alternative to certain tasks missiles currently carry out. The cost of operating the laser is typically less than £10 per shot."
No.1738627
>>1738617But we can't manage high-speed rail..
No.1738628
>>1738627Sorry haha too expensive haha
No.1738899
>>1738617I wonder what would happen if you shone it in someone's eye.
No.1738901
>>1738899What do you think would happen anon, it can blow up missiles
No.1738916
>>1738899I want to shine it in Kier Starmers eyes.
No.1738999
>>1736484Didn't know there was one, I use mpv+yt-dlp
No.1739082
>the citizens army psyop has now lasted for over 24 hours
Beginning to get concerned lads…
No.1740051
>>1740028Gee I wonder why yobs exist. Could it be because theres no hope in the suburbs and cities?
No.1740066
>>1740051Jordon Peterson says because of woke that’s nothing is true anymore so the young people can’t tell between right and wrong. Also they need to wash their pennises
No.1740238
>>1732609God, If British politics are decided by the Democratic schizo party and Labour and conservatives have to beg Schizo Paisley Jr to get their policies, it would be hillarious until they nuke Dublin to kill the antichrist…
No.1740244
>>1731273There's no England anymore
All the battles
That were won and lost
Don't seem to matter now
No.1740251
Starmers silence is deathening.
No.1740253
>>1740244YOU SHALL EAT ZE MOLLUSCS
No.1740998
>>1740244Absolutely butchered those lyrics fam
No.1741002
>>1740998fine fine 'don't seem to matter very much anymore'
No.1741632
Boris wants you to serve in the army.
No.1741633
>>1741632Only if its the barmy army
Or dad's army
No.1741636
>>1741633I want
him to serve in the army. I think he'd benefit.
No.1741665
>>1740244This is what you get for going to LIDL you GLOBALIST CUCK
No.1742635
>>1741641>Oh, and they were used to test the effects of radiation from nuclear bomb testsThat's pretty useful
>Yeah mate, gonna join the new national service and learn to shoot faggots and pakis<Bro, you know how many vaccines they give you when you join that shit? Vaccines for every fucking thing, even anthrax>Fuck that I'm going to the pub No.1744211
A Very British Coup and 1984 have convinced me that Britain will be saved by a portly northerner with a handlebar moustache in his 40's.
No.1744334
>>1740028American here, what's a yob?
No.1746960
Was talking to someone about the history of UK Labour and he said Wilson and his policies is considered centrist for his time.
Is this true? My cursory awareness of him seemed to be mildly on the left wing of the party.
No.1747460
>>1746960Wilson was on the right of the party
No.1747904
>>1747460Well that’s a shame.
No.1747941
>>1747776
leave means leave
No.1748196
>>1748183Read The New Statesman, that's about as much as I can do in the time I have left over after work and studies.
No.1749569
>>1748183Just play videogames and be on here
I have crippling depression
No.1749575
>>1748183fishin' cookin' and readin'
No.1750007
>>1749995There's always buses in the background of these vids which is super weird for anyone who tried to catch a bus in the UK.
No.1750015
>>1750007Nah, there are plenty of buses
Just none of the ones youre waiting for
No.1750024
>>1750015So thry get to the stop before mine then decide instead to drive around town looking for rucks in the street?
No.1750028
>>1749995tf is going on here
No.1750045
>>1749995the salt of england
No.1751098
>>1749995What is the context of this?
No.1751142
>>1751098A depressing and decaying society causing even the elderly to become angry,street fighting men.
No.1751449
>>1751098>>1750028The man and woman tried to accost a schoolbus and slammed on it when it wouldnt let them on (probs off their nut on something thinking it was a regular bus). Man on the mobility scooter went ham in response. It's from Hull.
No.1751466
King Charles diagnosed with cancer. is it over for monarchy?
No.1751474
>>1751466I think what happens is if he does end up dying, the title of king will be passed onto his first born son. That way, when a monarch dies the institution of the monarchy carries on rather than just ending after one person.
No.1751533
>>1751474Well that sounds rather unfair
No.1751693
what has the monarchy been since Edward VIII anyway other than scandal
No.1751732
>>1751701> In other countries, people pledge to defend their constitution and their nationThis is quite exactly as cringe to me anon ngl.
Who tf cares about royal fans either way? Poorper monarchs. A distraction.
No.1752112
>>1751732Why is that cringe? It's natural for a group of people that come together for a shared purpose to swear loyalty to that shared purpose. Swearing loyalty some person is a personality cult.
No.1752118
>>1752114Hmm? I was saying swearing feslty to the monarch is not that. Whatever you think of any group I think swearing to follow a set of principles or ideas or whatever is fundamentally different than swearing to be the slave of some individual. I think ee would expect in a communist sicieties people would swear to uphold those principles and ideas as well.
No.1752119
>>1752112Ah tbh it just manifests at swearing fealty to a flag instead of a person, loyalty has a kind of a sacrificial angle to it whereas if something was "of the people, for the people" then its defence is simply self-defence.
Like, I think of patriotic Americans reminding others of how many people "died for that flag", at least British soldiers can claim to have fought and died for King
and country. Dying for a flag is probably the most cucked thing imaginable, like its only important to raise that flag where ever ordered to do so, but if you end up like Lieutenant Dan.. Well you served your purpose, the flag flew for sometime, nothing was promised in return.
No.1752120
>>1752119Well as it has been said that the motivation was always to fight for the guy next to you. You fight for your peers and for them and your family to live the life you may not get because you may have to sacrifice. Fighting for your king is the most cucked shit imaginable. You have been doing this shit for centuries, but to most of the eorld it seems barbaric. Most places in the world have evolved past it.
In my father's country they had a saying:
>You can't tax the king and you can't plow the skyWell now they are gone forever like so many other royal families and monarchies. It is that shrimple.
No.1752123
In fact, we don't really see the Union flag drapped over everything, probably it's most prominently seen behind politicians and prime ministers announcing policies that will demonstrably weaken the nation and place ever greater hardships on the people, but the flag *implies* patriotism, it *implies* this person announcing the removal of free school meals is acting with due reverence to whatever values and traditions they *want* the flag to represent today. Flags can't disagree and call the politician a shameless cunt for daring to suggest starving children is a British value, a monarch might.
No.1752125
>>1752120Yeah fine, but that's not the pitch for joining the military, you don't just join the army and go to war for the end goal of putting your life in the hands of your comrades.
No.1752129
>>1752123You guys really have a cucked mentality. My biggest education on Brits was reading the story of the peasants revolt. The brits had the king in the palm of their hands, but they blamed his ministers and killed them but let him go even reveted him still and thought he would honor his word then they packed up and left then he came back and slaughtered hem all at the first opportunity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants%27_RevoltI can't fathom the level of british cuckolding.
No.1752134
>>1752129Oh okay, getting personal are we? You've got the 2nd amendment and conspiracies galore (some real, many fictional) that anyone of which would certainly constitute the use of the 2nd amendment, cuckoldry to a flag is the reason the US still exists, why the right to bear arms only gets used against the tyrrany of schools and happy families at the mall.
No.1752135
>>1752129the revolt ends and all gains are reversed…i see history hasnt changed at all
No.1752140
>>1752134I don't feel anyway about guns per se. I guess I am libertarian in that sense. You can't keep people from doing what they will in privaye. I am more sad that people choose violence. Policing isn't the answer. It was funny how conservative Anericans mistakenly played up knife and other violent attacks in Britain when the rate of knife attacks is also higher in the USA. The USA is just a much more violent place. I mean Britain aint shit eother compared to the rest of the first world either.
But that really had nothing to do with the original point of discussion.
No.1752146
>>1752140And I agree with the okd Anerican saying:
>God made man, Sam Colt nade them equal .Yes that is true equality that is true gender equality. Everyone who can't defend themselves orherwise should stay strapped. Everytime I hear tetards say sve it eith your fists I turns my stomache.
No.1752163
>>1752140The point is that for all the tyranny committed by the US government, it's not the politicians and glowies struggling to sleep at night, they're comfortable that in the State of Virginia not a single shot will be squeezed off in anger in their direction, instead it's little kids in the Rocky Mountains on the other side of the bloody country losing sleep and needing to have drills at schools for hiding from active shooters.
Despite the anger, despite the gun ownership, despite the constitutional right to use them under such circumstances, the only people who suffer from a revolt are civilians in sleepy towns. So if the guns haven't been used to oppose tyranny by now, they never will be, you may as well ban them tbqh, population too cucked to either own one or if they do, to turn it on the state.
No.1752166
>The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world … When you hear the English talk of this war you sometimes almost want them to lose it to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the continent in general and for the French in particular. They didn't like the French before the defeat … Since the defeat, they have the greatest contempt for the French Army … England first. This slogan is taken for granted by the English people as a whole. To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation
No.1752179
>>1752118Just join the church fam, it's very clear that's what you're looking for.
No.1752327
>>1752166I love this quote so much.
The person who wrote it, Ralph Miliband (yes,
that Miliband), was a rabid Zionist from the age of fifteen. As usual with these people, it's fervent internationalism except for one specific state which we all have to support without question.
Anyway, here's a nice article about him courtesy of our favourite newspaper:
https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/ralph-miliband-marxist-and-zionist-n0tpswpg No.1752965
Something I think is interesting is how I've not seen the claims that Corbyn was literally Hitler for not being pro-Israel getting brought up now that the ICJ has suggested that what Israel is doing is tantamount to genocide.
Like it is pottery that within a 10 year timeframe, the Israeli lobby did its part in overturning democracy in this country to defend their interests with huge support by the British Government by claiming that Corbyn is an anti-semite, a friend of terrorists, scaremongering about Israeli conduct in Gaza and now are openly committing genocide, their ambassadors are calling Palestinians "animals" and their soldiers are making TikTok videos of themselves enjoying and celebrating blowing up entire blocks of homes and apartments.
No.1753324
>Reform UK is climbing in the polls
We're getting a mainstream trumpesque movement, I feel. Conservative and Labour voters are feeling alienated and want some sort of change to neoliberalism.
No.1753360
>>1753324It will flop electorally, UKIP was doing
wayyy better than REFUK is rn and it still flopped.
No.1753419
>>1753324It's just the Conservative party faling apart don't worry.
No.1754841
Adam Curtis' new show sounds good.
No.1754877
>>1754841Let me guess, relegated to an online inly release with little to no promo?
No.1755547
>>1754856>>1754877It was announced a year ago. It's not his typical documentary, it's a mini series about an industrial welsh town undergoing some sort of revolution.
No.1755554
>>1755551I hate pure bars of chocolate.
No.1755586
>>1755551London looks incredible this time of year!
No.1755600
>>1755586That's Liverpool
No.1755710
>>1755600Do you not find yourself regularly desiring death living in such an environment?
No.1755713
More like Shiverpool
No.1755751
>>1755710I mean it's not like it's that much better or worse than most urban western places (outside of truly glossy and built up areas)
No.1755804
Let us pray to Comrade Corbyn that Villa beat Man U to promote the interests of the Brum Commune and dominate the Midlands for good.
No.1756433
https://nitter.poast.org/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1754446919441567992<The High Court in London has ruled that people in Scotland and Northern Ireland will not be permitted to log in and witness online the crucial "public" Feb 20/1 Assange appeal hearing.<They warn to do so will be contempt of court and up to 2 years in jail.WTF
No.1756438
>>1756433Land of the free everyone.
No.1756466
>>1755554Fucking degenerate. You wants nuts in your chocolate bars?
No.1756482
>>1756438>Land of the "free"That's America, this is the land of the queen
No.1756484
Nuts. What are they?
No.1756575
>>1755804Man U are detestable but don't act like Villa aren't cunts as well
No.1759159
If I was a leftist in Britain during the 50s, 60s or 70s I think I would simply leave. The vibes were just so off.
No.1759265
If Galloway wins in Rochdale, the autistic trots and other insignificant "communist" (read: sitting on Labour's cock) parties that are overwhelmingly full of white people are going to be more seething than the open zionists
No.1759267
>>1759265Galloway is a massive twat. Sure he's better than Labour… I guess, but still.
No.1759284
>>1759267Anyone who doesn't relish the opportunity to punish the openly right wing Labour party, who are complicit in the worst crime in modern history, because they have some completely insignificant and irrelevant issue with the pro-palestine candidate is not only a complete wanker and failed marxist but an immoral demon.
No.1759295
>>1759159>he wouldn't have been in the CPGB so he could be called the first tankie, steal army documents and fuck off to the Soviet Unionbad
No.1759660
Rochdale is such a cursed land. Did you guys see that news story from there about the 12 year olds gangraping some woman?
No.1761167
Oi, cunts, stay out of brit/pol/
No.1761224
>>1761167As if I'd deign to visit whatever shitty site you call your home. Pu-lease uygha. If I did you'd know, I'd run this shit.
No.1761489
>>1759267He isn't, though.
No.1761832
>>1737460Give it a go. Lots of good comrades there. You'll learn much both politically and personally.
No.1761833
>>1761832I applied recently but haven't recieved a response.
No.1761839
>>1736940>>1737431>>1761833Promise you'll come back and confirm when you find out they're a bunch of weird narcissistic cunts
No.1761841
>>1761833Give it a bit of time. If its taking a while try contacting them about it.
No.1762347
>>1762264But why.
You're not going to build any more railway lines, becaue you're piss poor and in debt and can't finish shit, so why make these meaningless lines.
No.1762350
BRITAIN HAS ENTERED RECESSION
No.1762455
>>1762350i just vomited blood when i read this
No.1762842
CPB now advocating for a vote for Galloway, but only because there isn't a Labour candidate to vote for, lol.
No.1762874
>>1762842If he wins I genuinely believe leftists will be more upset about it than anyone on the right.
No.1762878
George did nothing wrong, not this year anyway.
No.1762901
>>1762896I missed him.
Galloway please clear the path to glorious Cromwellian Socialism with Chinese Characteristics.
No.1762938
>>1759267That's more of a reason to vote for him. Hope he takes a massive shite on the house of commons floor. All MPs are cunts and the fact that they all find GG offensive is all the reason I need to support his victory.
No.1762941
>>1755551Cadbury's has been shit ever since they stopped making it in Birmingham.
No.1762943
I don't even know what the Workers Party of Britain stands for, their manifesto is vague.
No.1762969
>>1762896>Galloway doing whatever it takes to save children in Iraq>Madeline Albright doing whatever it takes to justify hundreds of thousands of deaths of children in IraqThe man is on the right side of history
No.1763446
>>1762844You don't get my point. CPB advocates voting for him, but ONLY because there is no Labour candidate, and mostly just to stop the Reform party candidate. Go and look up their statement. Not like their statement has any impact on who will win at all which makes their embarrassing suckling at the tit of the Labour party even more pathetic.
No.1765867
I want to go on holiday but have no passport, and just thinking about all the countersigning and photo faff to get one fills me with dread. Guess I'm stuck here for the time being.
No.1765991
>>1765983He's just trying to get votes, he's still Pro NATO and all, David Lammy went to the Munich Security Conference today.
If he was in government, he would not call for a ceasefire, or if he did only in a false sense to pursue his own interests.
No.1765995
>>1765867I find that stuff stressful too but it's all pretty simple apparently. . Can you just get the picture done and ask a friend or family to do it for you?
No.1766006
>>1765995After a period of reflection, I have come to the conclusion that if I can't even get a passport sorted I probably couldn't manage a holiday anyway.
Thank you for the advice regardless, anon.
No.1766008
>>1762969Still makes me laugh how 'oil-for-food' was supposed to be a 'scandal'.
What a terrible man, working and risking to blunt the affect of modern day seige warfare! Terrible!
No.1766011
>>1766006Once you get a passport just buy a plane ticket make sure you got some money and go.
Being in it will help you sort out the details like a place to stay and things to do and etc.
No.1766157
>>1765983<now that sir ken starmer has come out for a ceasefire should leftybritpol support labour?No, you should campaign to have him kicked out of Labour for this antisemitic stance…
No.1766158
>>1765867If you have a child passport it's easy to renew, you don't need references or anything like that
No.1766163
total
galloway
victory
No.1766187
>>1766158Problem is my mum has it and if I ask she'll take the piss out of me for wanting to go abroad on my own (she has never left the country).
No.1766528
Need to make this post.
Saw two jobs advertised at Boots for pharmacy technicians; both minimum wage, one for 30 hours another for 25.
Taken together with the minimum wage, the maximum earning potential for the contracted hours works out around £900 after tax. The store is in a location between two cities with no easy transport into town from either, except by rail which is a fortune. The local cost of renting (which doesn't exist, really) is only available for housing which starts at around a grand.
To rent a room in the first city, not an apartment, but a room in a house share, starts at around £800 on the outskirts. Renting a room in the second is unavailable, because the only location is the city centre and quite literally all of them have been converted into student accomodation for the tax incentive by landlords (install fire doors and a panel and you're set).
The ONLY feasable accomodation available is through renting as a lodger in one of the neighbouring towns; this means that you must be able to drive to and from the place you are lodging, because they are individual houses with rooms not rented by an agency but by individuals with no oversight.
This is the reality of wage supression; wages have not moved inline with housing costs nor have they risen in real terms since the end of the 90s. It is absolutely absurd that some people will call themselves socialists, yet when brooked on issues such as labour rights, and even the patheticaly misaligned challenge of fair pay, will simply retort that it is down to the individual to seek better employment; not only do such people exist, but they sail on by because the system as it was twenty years ago or more has not failed them in the way it is currently failing the general working population.
The absolute joke is that this is without considering the question of immigration. The idea that housing should remain a speculative asset is a complete joke. And what's more, the hour-rotation for these jobs is entirely the norm now for employers. They will contract you for at most 30 hours, and will simply feed you shifts piecemeal with no stability. Yet the working population of this country, despite holding together a large part of the fabric of the day-to-day service and care industry are not important enough (read: they do not possess the material resources) to lead to change. The power for that lies squarely in the voting population whom earn the median salaray and see politics as at most a game.
No.1766552
Is this the start of the Erie Unifications Wars if Northern Ireland is going on Strike, I need it bros I really do.
No.1766564
>>1762941To be fair, they still do, they were just bought by a fucking Yank company
No.1766574
>>1766564>they were just bought by a fucking Yank companyWho preceded to instant shut down their factory in the south and water their 'chocolate' down to taste like cheap nasty burger harshness trash.
The latter still makes me kind of angry.
Despise American chocolate, co-op had pretty good chocolate in the UK.
No.1766582
>>1766574>Who preceded to instant shut down their factory in the south and water their 'chocolate' down to taste like cheap nasty burger harshness trash.What the fuck….
No.1766604
>>1766582American chocolate is greasy and tastes not as good but burgers are used to it so they are fine with it
No.1766642
>>1766187If that the case, just do the fucking work to get your passport and make your mother happy.
No.1766799
>>1766158Oh cool, really? I have a child passport from when I was like 5 and I thought I'd need to completely reapply, but that makes things much simpler
No.1767052
Mile may be a stupid neoliberal, but he's correct on wanting to take Falklands, it is not "ours".
Cameron is visiting the island, and said there is "no discussion" in relation to sovereignty.
If for some reason, which I doubt, there is a war over this, it is a massive positive if the British Army loses, a victory against imperialism, and possibly shows something to the people here.
Aside from the Falklands issue, who's watching The Way by Adam Curtis now at 9?
No.1767067
>>1767052The issue of the Falklands should be settled through a referendum of the people living on the islands. Nothing else matters, least of Argentine jingoism.
>Aside from the Falklands issue, who's watching The Way by Adam Curtis now at 9?Thanks for the reminder, putting the telly on now.
No.1767114
yeah watching adam curtis new show
no fucking clue whats going on
No.1767147
>>1767114You can definitely tell it's a Curtis show from the ominous music and panning archive footage every 2 minutes lol
No.1767174
>>1767147the editing and general feel is very curtis
the story, not so sure.
No.1767266
I think that was very good.
No.1767270
it ended just when it was getting interesting
No.1767275
>>1767270The last 10 minutes were kino.
No.1767279
Oh cool the whole series is on BBC iPlayer already. I guess I'm going to be tired at work tomorrow.
No.1767280
>>1767279Well it IS an adam curtis project.
No.1767322
>>1767052>The Way by Adam CurtisLink?
No.1767339
I'm half way through the third episode and it's meh. Definitely peaked in episode one. The show is not what I expected from seeing the promotions.
It's turned into a reverse refugee story, which as a concept stopped being thought provoking about 8 years ago. There's far too much black mirror-esque stuff for my liking. And the characters aren't very interesting save one.
No.1767343
>>1767322If you're not a bong and can't get it on iplayer, you might have to wait for a while.
No.1767363
>>1767343It's already on the piratebay you absolute binches
No.1767367
it was alright
waiting for curtis to make something normal though
No.1767369
>>1767367Same. I didn't even bother with that last russian one he did because there was no narration.
No.1767370
>>1767369that was pretty damn good actually
No.1767374
>>1767343Oh..
>>1767363..Nice. thanks.
No.1768084
>>1768081Ashlea you fat bitch your daughter would be too fat to get raped on a bus judging by how you'd likely feed her.
No.1768132
>>1768081it looks like that meme
No.1768182
>>1765983He hasn't supported one at all
No.1768228
>>1766008It's also very funny looking at all the infantile online leftists turn their nose up at him when this program alone is more than they could ever dream of organising
No.1769468
The Way is fucking god awful, don't even watch it ironically, it's just boring. Years and Years was miles better than this and that wasn't even that good. Absolutely laughable political takes too, it strays away from advocating any position besides 'we need to imagine' and the power of love and shit. The usual suspects just ended up calling it communist propaganda anyway so they might as well have actually had a bit of left wing thought in there.
No.1770616
>>1769468Is Adam Curtis' involvement obvious? I'm interested in his foray into a non-documentary format
No.1770655
>>1770616You can detect some familiar themes when the characters are monologuing but not really I guess.
No.1770774
>>1770616The vibes are there.
No.1771664
>>1771661I'm sure the MI5 were egging this guy on
No.1771669
>>1771661jfc the teddy bear on the bed…
No.1771673
>>1771661"Graham came to idolise an American terrorist called Theodore Kaczynski - known as the Unabomber - after watching a Netflix series called Manhunt, and pledged to "finish what he started", his trial heard."
How embarrassing
No.1771674
>>1771673But seriously why do these people always make these videos spelling out exactly what they're doing? I mean come on. Have some chill and pretend to be a Demsoc in public like the rest of us.
No.1771681
>>1771661>Graham bought a number of chemicals on the internet and conducted experiments in his back garden before burying some of the ingredients in Formby Woods, recording the location so he could return to the cache.He's lucky he didn't blow his hands off.
No.1771706
>>1771679>it's sad the fat northern nonce Lee got suspendedGo back.
No.1771711
>>1771661>"He wished to bring about the downfall of government and society. He expressed the view that he was sick and tired of living in a society that was deteriorating and destroying itself."A symptom.
He won't be the last, that's for sure.
No.1771770
https://archive.is/2aV0v‘Most qualified person should get the job’ is microaggression, Russell Group universities sayWoah, no way. But that would mean that social institutions within capitalist society are *checks notes* historically contingent!
No.1771800
>>1771770>‘Most qualified person should get the job’ is microaggression, Russell Group universities sayI love seeing liberalism actively destroying itself.
No.1772527
What are the chances of the UK to become an independent Great Power in the upcoming multipolar world order?
As of right now the UK in my opinion is in the same situation as Brazil when it comes to overall geopolitical influence, however the UK has the luxury of having the nuclear weapons.
At least that's how i see it.
No.1772531
>>1772527The UK's nuclear weapons are basically owned by America and can't be operated without American assistance, plus our relatively small population and weak economy. Our best chance would have been to join a European great power but since that's fucked now, we will continue to fall into poverty and irrelevance.
No.1772544
>>1772531What if the EU is killed off?
No.1772551
>>1772544Then Europe will just become a battleground between USA and Russia/China with each country being individually exploited.
No.1772564
>>1772551Obviously, but don't you think the UK might win from this as well, at least you could pick up the scraps that are left.
I'm asking because i've read an opinion piece that the EU has become an obstacle for other great powers, like for instance:
>Russia wants to get rid of sanctions>US wants to get rid of the Euro>China wants to exploit the european market with it's cheap goodsSo from the point of view of the UK especially after Brexit it makes sense to help others plunder the EU in hopes that it gets something in return.
No.1772566
>>1772564The UK doesn't have the economy to exploit France or Germany. I think it would just be another victim of global powers. Maybe they could pick up some favourable deals from the weaker European countries.
No.1772581
>>1772531>Our best chance would have been to join a European great powerWe did that between 1975-2020 and during this period our industry was gutted, our global influence declined and we lost our status as having the largest and most advanced economy in Europe.
Like this anon suggested
>>1772527 we should embrace a multipolar world order. We could use our advantages in science, culture, language and fossil fuel reserves to rebuild our economy on more solid foundations than finance and banking.
No.1772585
>>1772581>We did that between 1975-2020 and during this period our industry was gutted, our global influence declined and we lost our status as having the largest and most advanced economy in Europe. Hardly the fault of Europe, more of Thatcherism.
No.1772596
>>1772594Being in Europe didn't mean we had to deindustrialise and financialise the economy
No.1772618
>>1772596It certainly aided the process in doing so.
No.1772896
>>1761483I stg companies will reject everyone then repost a position then bitch about the labour shortage.
No.1775647
Ministry of Defence pauses new Army housing plans after backlash>The Ministry of Defence says it is pausing its plans to change the allocation of military housing after strong criticism from Army families.>Under the plan, serving personnel would have got subsidised housing based on their need, such as how many children they have, rather than their rank.>But there had been significant opposition to the move from officers, with a number threatening to quit.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68410400Lmao okay so join the army and get led into battle by people who'd happily see your children crammed into a shoebox for a home, so long as they get their big house when we all go home.
No.1775651
>>1771681He probably didn’t acquire enough to blow even his finger off.
No.1775654
>>1771674this tbh. just pretend to be a corbyn, or a socialist monarchist, while hiding your power level, and doing fat shits at work on company time
No.1775659
>>1771661>Being a supporter of Kaczynski is Left-WingSo basically anything less than being a incel acolyte of Hitler is left-wing according to the media?
No.1775713
UK 'look at an australian map and don't recognize all the place names' challenge
hard mode: no wooloomooloo or wollongong
No.1776283
>>1776224All these reasons are valid and more or less true. The government can't spend decades encouraging multiculturalism and then flick a switch to turn everyone into proud patriots, that's not how it works.
No.1776298
>>1765983Love how they flipped on this the moment Biden did. What a hack.
No.1776386
>>1772531>The UK's nuclear weapons are basically owned by America and can't be operated without American assistanceThey can remotely disable them. This happened with a miss launch a few years ago iirc. It was mentioned at the time but not talked about since.
No.1776401
>>1772531>Our best chance would have been to join a European great power but since that's fucked now, we will continue to fall into poverty and irrelevance.Well before I might've agreed with you, but the current Ukraine situation has made it clear the EU is not actually a great power and probably has no potential to ever become one. America will just run circles around those idiots forever keeping them in the bitch position.
No.1776583
>>1776283You seriously think multiculturalism is the main issue here
No.1776654
>>1776583What do you think the main issue is?
No.1777405
Just one of those days when I want to bang someone out.
Why does this shitty collection of islands make people like this?
Is it the weather?
No.1777416
>>1777405Man pretty much all countries are shit, I'm sorry
No.1778350
>>1778044The Conservatives are the party of BAMEs.
No.1778546
>>1778538/pol/ack you have to go back.
This guy takes me back to some of my youth in the UK though, assaulting his friends and etc.
One of my comrades also publicly pied him which was very funny.
What a lblast from the past, I keep a small eye on the extreme far-right and completely thought he'd ducked out.
No.1778550
>>1778546I probably would not have developed a social group in the UK if it wasn't for going to beat on these fat fascist loosers in my youth, for that I'm greatful to him.
No.1778709
>>1776224You're a racist dickhead, you cherrypicked those quotes from a large number of progressive quotes.
Britain, it's ruling classes, has robbed every nation including its own people, due to that history I say its only right and just Asians and Africans can claim this land as one to belong to, other than that I can't wait until we have a repatriation movement to reverse this brain drain and exploitation of the world's labour.
The Article Quotes Below:
The most common reason people gave was that they are unwilling to fight for the rich and powerful – who they see as profiteers or otherwise unfairly able to avoid the consequences of conflict themselves – at 21%.
"I won't put myself in danger to defend the interests of people who would not risk themselves for me."
"Because this government and country don't care about me at any other point in time. They are the most corrupt government in generations and I won't serve them."
"My life is more valuable than being wasted in a war caused by rich people’s greed."
"Because the process would be an unfair process and the expectations would be on the working/lower/middle classes to serve and not the rich, royalty or the politicians making the decisions."
"Why should the youth fight the wars that the elderly politicians have created? I refuse to leave my son and family behind."
It's also quoted that, many are just apathetic to this country and see it negatively, I agree, reasonably so, it is a shithole:
"I’m not patriotic and wont risk my life for this country."
"Not willing to go to war for this country, don't feel a sense of patriotism or pride to live here."
"I don’t owe my life to my country."
"The UK has seen people like myself as a danger to society. I have no nationalistic pride to protect my country. If my country treated me as an equal, not a minority I would be willing to serve."
No.1778742
>>1778709>due to that history I say its only right and just Asians and Africans can claim this land as one to belong toWhy should British proles be punished for the actions of our ruling class centuries ago?
It's the workers who suffer the most from infinity migrants, while the capitalists benefit from these policies because it gives them a larger labour pool of to draw from.
>other than that I can't wait until we have a repatriation movement to reverse this brain drain and exploitation of the world's labour.Based.
No.1778825
>>1778742The workers don't suffer because of migrants, they suffer because of capitalists, british proles shouldn't be punished and are not being punished, via immigration as with said immigration the british working class has become in on of itself diverse and previously was anyway during historical colonialism, like East London with Jews, there's no punishment happening at all.
Said actions of the british ruling class is in continuation, it would be stupid to not look at Britain's Neocolonialism, you have looked at londons metal exchange? massive monetary interests in Africa.
I wouldn't say so, immigrants don't exactly take up jobs that supposed white british people would take up, let's say nursing for example, there's massive recruitment plans already here in the UK, yet they aren't taken up as work due to multiple understandable reasons and wider structural issues, hence look for nurses abroad.
the labour market is unfortunately, but it is to some degree racially stratified, look at the gig economy, many migrants come here to study, things like software, and to make ends meet they'll do food deliveries or uber, these aren't exactly some white bloke doing it.
No.1778862
>>1778538This is blatantly trying to harm his chances by association, he's well known for doing this
No.1778885
>>1776401Under Merkelite rule I could see an independent EU, but yes the Ukraine situation has made it clear that's probably not going to happen, perhaps there will be enough backlash once Ukraine surrenders to push the EU back in a more independent direction though. IDK. Britain leaving probably didn't help in that respect, independent EU without Britain is a lot less viable.
>>1776654two decades of austerity maybe and pointless warmongering
No.1778919
>>1778825>The workers don't suffer because of migrants, they suffer because of capitalistsMass migration is a tool capitalists have used to create a disunited and underemployed proletariat. Why else have recent right-wing governments allowed an unprecedented influx of foreign workers into the country?
>british proles shouldn't be punished and are not being punished, via immigrationThen why have they consistently voted against it, as we saw with brexit? If migration was such a great thing for the working class why does everyone oppose it so fiercely?
>the british working class has become in on of itself diverse and previously was anyway during historical colonialismWhich is it? Has Britain always been diverse or not? Why is diversity taken as being an inherently good thing?
>like East London with JewsWho have still not integrated after 500 years, and are currently lobbying the British government to support a genocide in the middle east on behalf of a foreign country. Yeah, great people. Glad to have them here.
>I wouldn't say so, immigrants don't exactly take up jobs that supposed white british people would take up,British people don't want to do these jobs because they pay crap money, and only immigrants are willing to work for such low rates. If we actually had control over our labour market, the pay for these jobs would rise as the bosses wouldn't be able to fill the roles with people willing to work for less. Exactly this happened during COVID when the borders were closed.
>let's say nursing for example, there's massive recruitment plans already here in the UKNo there isn't lmao. They got rid of the NHS bursary and continue to pay nurses shite for the amount of studying you need to do it, not to mention the student debt. It's just cheaper for the NHS to hire foreign nurses with questionable qualifications, rather than raising pay and reintroducing the bursary.
>many migrants come here to study, things like software, and to make ends meet they'll do food deliveries or uberMost of the ones doing uber and deliveroo aren't here studying lol. They're doing it because it's literally the only job they can do. All you need for it is a phone and bicycle. No need to speak english, have qualifications, or prove your right to work etc.
No.1779147
Rochdale parliamentary by-election, result:
WPB: 39.7% (+39.7)
IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
CON: 12.0% (-22.0)
LAB: 7.7% (-48.4)
LDEM: 7.0% (-0.6)
REF: 6.3% (+6.3)
Workers Party of Britain (George Galloway) GAIN from Labour.
>He's a bit transphobic but have good foreign policy takes lol
No.1779154
>>1779147The man is a clown in terms of social views and I deeply wish we could have some other public representative of socialism in parliament but honestly Labour deserves to get a good kick in the teeth
No.1779191
>>1779154Yeah trans issues are so much more important than class issues and a literal genocide lol
No.1779194
>>1779191You can't trust a reactionary.
No.1779195
>>1779194I agree. That's why I don't trust people who can't help but bring up nonsense like this when talking about proven socialist leaders
No.1779201
>>1779195Uh huh? Did he establish the midlands commune when I wasn't looking?
No.1779202
>>1779201>Uh huh?Zionists shot 100 desperate people around a food aid truck today. He'll talk about it. Nothing you're posting about matters. nta.
No.1779206
>>1779202I said I was glad he won, what more do you want
No.1779221
>>1779206doesn't matter what I want. The media called today's slaughter "food aid related deaths." He'll roar about it. Nothing else matters. The voters realized this. stfu about social fucking issues.
No.1779276
>>1779219>John HitlerAny relation?
No.1779284
>>1778742British proles has implicitly supported their ruling class in the past and present. Of course they should suffer from their actions. It is not as if British proles are ashamed of their colonial heritage.
No.1779312
>>1779195What socialist policies or rhetoric did he put out? His election flyers literally said he supports small businesses.
No.1779326
>>1779272Good news, Galloway winning proves we can have other parties in Parliament, that people recognize the current game and lies of the conservatives and labour, if a workers party can get elected in, I don't see why we can't get an explicit communist in.
No.1779328
>>1779326But is it a workers party to begin with?
No.1779329
>>1779328I know Galloway is a man riddled with some issues, like his bullshit patriotism, so we must be nuanced in how we look at him, but he and Chris williamson, present their party as a workers party, and the 10 point progamme is decent, anti imperialism, pro planned economy, etc… maybe it is not the best it could be for sure, again the patriotism and anti woke stuff is too close to so called culture war shit
No.1779347
>>1779329So it is a succdem party then?
No.1779396
GALLOGOAT
No.1779399
>>1779272Are these people feds or just fascists
No.1779418
>>1779219>Tabs not even in incognito modeFucking highway to the danger zone or what?
No.1779442
>>1779191It's not really about "issues" (even as an MP he's powerless!), it's about how it reflects on his judgement and, more importantly, his record of flagrant opportunism: his party is a one-man band and he's the one man. his personal prejudices or lack thereof are irrelevant, but hopping on a culture war bandwagon tells you someone's not to be trusted.
it's good in this context that he won, but that doesn't make
him useful outside a very narrow set of contexts. the story tonight is ultimately that a petty grifter who consistently makes rightish noises about foreign policy struck lucky because capital's b-team went too hard on endorsing genocide. it's the least morally repugnant way this could've gone, it's
really funny, but it doesn't magically redeem galloway himself from being an egotist who'll pivot in almost any half-plausible direction if it increases his chance of getting his arse in a parliamentary seat. (remember when he voted Tory in Scotland because it helped his scottish unionist grift party?)
>>1779195if winning byelections makes you a proven socialist leader, the liberal democrats would be the vanguard of the revolution.
>>1779347>>1779328it's a George Galloway party. The point of the party is George Galloway. It stands for getting George Galloway into parliament and giving a voice to George Galloway.
No.1779507
>>1779284Socialism is when we actively try to make the lives of workers worse. The shitter the lives of workers are, the more socialistier it is.
No.1779539
>>1779507Well nah, that's the exact opposite of socialism and that seems to be that anon's point, that the UK working class has routinely acted against its own class interests by participating in and protecting reverence for our colonialist history, voting routinely for the existing ruling class partially based on their support for colonial-era attitudes, so it's only natural that things are pretty fucking awful for that class.
No.1779540
>>1779442He has achieved more in his life than you could ever dream of, and has been involved in anti imperialist struggle probably decades before you were born. You are a sad little man who wants to gain points in an increasingly shrinking online circle by parroting the opinions of the establishment press here. We are in the midst of the worst crime any of us have ever seen and it must be fought through every process possible.
The fact you think being against Scottish independence is enough to not support an anti-imperialist candidate proves that your brain is riddled with first world petit bourgeois ideology. As is your fixation on social issues. I've got bad news for you: you might have to ally with people who don't share your liberal social views if you want to fight imperialism. Imperialism is the main contradiction and is more important than anything in this world.
Parliamentary politics may be unable to turn the country socialist, but this country is almost never going to become socialist via revolutionary means either, because the vast majority of left wing people are like you and only care about small issues like Scottish independence and collaborationist unions. Galloway being in parliament can only ever be a good thing and if he inspires other similarly not perfect but still staunchly anti imperialist candidates to win, that is a great blow to imperialist propaganda.
No.1779541
>>1778742They're not punished you idiot, british proles are relatively living large at the expense of people subject to Britain's imperialism past and present. You think you're a radical but you would be detested worldwide as a reactionary if you started expressing these views in the countries we exploit
No.1779547
>>1779507Where did I say that you fucking coward? You act like the proles have no agency when they have supported their ruling class’ colonialism and capitalism with no remorse.
No.1779552
Galloway is a social-democrat. I'll support him like I supported Corbyn, but he's not going to threaten capitalism or imperialism (which is an inevitable function of capitalism) whatsoever. He's just another bourgeois politician who is working in the bourgeois system for the bourgeois system.
No.1779554
>>1779539>that the UK working class has routinely acted against its own class interests by participating in and protecting reverence for our colonialist historyWhat do you want the working class to do? All sign a big apology letter and donate 20% of their paycheck to the Nigerian government?
>voting routinely for the existing ruling class partially based on their support for colonial-era attitudesThe working class in every democratic country votes for the existing ruling class in their elections. That's how democracy is designed!
>>1779541>british proles are relatively living largeMost of the working class are currently struggling to afford to put a roof over their head. British workers earn less than their counterparts in many european countries.
>>1779547>when they have supported their ruling class’ colonialism and capitalism with no remorse.Supported how? And I seem to remember that it was organised opposition from the British public that lead to the end of the slave trade internationally.
No.1779558
>>1779554Don't get hysterical lad, one of the (admittedly many) asserted reasons for Corbyn being "unelectable" is a perceived lack of patriotism amongst all classes due to his lack of reverence for the British Empire.
The fact is, while the British Empire is still a point of pride for many of the working class of this nation, that is always going to intrinsically push them to act and support stuff that is not in their interest because the Empire was never primarily in their interests, there's no reason to feel pride in the empire and yet it exists.
No.1779568
>>1779554"In many european countries" lmao. Please, I'm begging you, do some more research into marxism that isn't from a british trot group. You first world imperialist pig
No.1779573
>What do you want the working class to do? All sign a big apology letter and donate 20% of their paycheck to the Nigerian government?
In fact actually this is exactly the problem with how the British Empire is erroneously seen by working class people, as though it was "theirs" as much as it was the kings' subject or the East India Company's property. The idea that if we admit the Empire did not give more than it took from these nations, that means the British proletariat will have to reimburse former colonies personally as though the Victorian proletariat had just as much control and ownership over the empire as Victoria herself or any of the various colonial companies importing spices and silks.
Why the fuck would you think that was true of Victorian Britain? Because to feel like it's a choice between pride or guilt, can only come from a belief the Empire was yours and not theirs.
No.1779587
Wishing a very happy KYS to all the chauvinists and social patriots itt
No.1779592
>>1779540It's not that he's anti independence, it's that he went out and told the press he'd vote Tory to that end. The only reason for doing so was opportunism, to bolster a party that existed not to stop independence but to *get him elected*
His achievements in parliamentary grifting outshine mine, but my achievements in posting outshine his. Less profitable but more respectable and just as satisfying to my more modest ego.
No.1779593
>>1779592Didn't he once say that if he ever supported the tories that someone should "Shoot his eye out"?
No.1779599
>>1779593Something to that effect, fortunately nobody listened. But you could play that game with a few things he's said -
There are those who wrap themselves in flags and blow the tinny trumpet of patriotism as a means of fooling the people and all that.
No.1779662
>>1779605Don't you have a containment thread to discuss your social media addiction?
No.1779682
>>1779554>Supported how? And I seem to remember that it was organised opposition from the British public that lead to the end of the slave trade internationally.Opposition to slave trade is commendable but not comparable to the weight of British colonialism and imperialism, past or current. Come on now.
You can go do a poll about republicanism and anti-colonialism/decolonisation and I would wager your noble savage proles will be against these things veheremently. The symbolism of the anti-EU crowd waving the Union Jack with pride is not lost on anyone.
>>1779558> one of the (admittedly many) asserted reasons for Corbyn being "unelectable" is a perceived lack of patriotism amongst all classes due to his lack of reverence for the British Empire.This, Corbyn is deeply anti-imperialist in every way, pro-Ireland and hostile to muh Britiainnia. And he is constantly shit on by the media. And who abandoned him in the polls? Your 'proles'.
No.1779694
To pretend your average worker in 2024 is in any way beneficiary to imperialism is laughable. When for the youngest workers the last vestiges of the social contract was ripped up long before they even entered the work force.
You retards are delusional, you live in internet Forum and social media accounts, willingly swaddled safe from reality.
It's honestly pathetic to see. Pitiful.
No.1779704
>>1779694>Posting like a passive aggressive upper class feministNobody is arguing that the average worker is benefiting from imperialism right now but that the average worker approves of the imperialism, past and current, that has caused migrants to come into United Kingdom.
Not my fault that the British worker gets the short end of the stick now that the heist is over. They had their chance in 2019.
No.1779735
Don't really care about Galloway or his need to be seen.
Glad for gaza though.
No.1779748
>>1779704People in every major country on the planet celebrate their imperialist glories of the past. Turks with the Ottoman Empire, the French with Napoleon, Indians with the Mughal Empire, Arabs with the various caliphates, Mongolians with the Mongol Empire. Even Stalin fawned over many of the imperial Russian Tsars.
To ask a people to unequivocally reject such a significant era of their country's history is ridiculous. Most people who celebrate the empire look at it's positive contributions to history: Defeating the nazis, massive scientific advancements, the abolition of slavery, the industrialistion of Britain and so on.
>They had their chance in 2019.Had their chance for what? Watered down social democracy?
No.1779749
>>1779748imperial glories not imperialist, imperialism refeer to a particular development in capitalism it doesn't mean when X country had an empire read Lenin ffs.
No.1779750
>>1779682>decolonisationDecolonisation of what? Britain has already undergone decolonisation. There is nothing left to decolonise.
>The symbolism of the anti-EU crowd waving the Union Jack with pride is not lost on anyone.Eurosceptics do that in every EU country you mong. And opposing massive capitalist trade blocs is based, actually.
No.1779760
>>1779748>Most people who celebrate the empire look at it's positive contributions to history: Defeating the nazis, massive scientific advancements, the abolition of slavery, the industrialistion of Britain and so on.And conveniently ignore the negative aspects of their legacy, you are not helping your case. As
>>1779573 said very eloquently, they have implicitly accept the British Empire as theirs, how can one then turn around and complain about the effects of the Empire's actions
>Had their chance for what? Watered down social democracy?No more watered down than Galloway's socialism. But sure, even within Corbynism, at least there was an attempt to acknowledge the debt Britain owns to the Commonwealth and potential reparations via green technology transfer.
>>1779750>Britain has already undergone decolonisation. Bruh you are literally defending the incessant use of the Union Jack, the symbol of British colonialism, as a form of anti-EU signalling. Be honest with yourself.
No.1779769
>>1779756Watched it all, Media is disgusting, reminds me of the offensive against Corbyn back in 2019.
No.1779771
>>1779769Galloway has more balls than Corbyn, so hopefully he won't hold back in parliament. It's not like he has anything to lose.
No.1779773
The Guardian Politics Live:
Rishi Sunak is speaking outside No 10. He says there’s a growing threat to British democracy – and refers explicitly to the election of George Galloway in the Rochdale byelection last night.
The prime minister talks up the tolerance of the “pluralist, modern” country he says the UK is, but says this is under threat from people looking to capitalise on Hamas’ attacks on Israel, and the resulting assault on Gaza, to undermine British values.
He names Islamist extremists and the far-right, calling them “two sides of the same extremist coin”.
>>1779756Watched it all, Media is disgusting, reminds me of the offensive against Corbyn back in 2019.
The short paragraph I pasted above is not looking good for us but at the same time is, a contradiciton haha, the Capitalists and their Administratators are scared of Galloway, I think it shows as much as repression may increase, Social Democratic politics are popular maybe even communist sympathies, I'm sure the genocide of Palestine is increasing anti imperialism in this country too.
No.1779775
>>1779770
>You are arguing that workers deserve to have their quality of life reduced even further, just because they hold some views you deem as reactionary about the history of their nation? Singing Rule Britannia and being nostalgic over the Battle of Britain does not warrant an entire nation of people being punished.
Yes, it absolutely does. The proles have shit their bed, it is time to lie in it.
>You remind me of those Israelis who say Gaza deserves to be bombed because homosexuality is illegal over there.
You are as stupid as those Israelis for making that comparison.
>If we're going to do reparations, at least set these countries up for success! Build fossil fuel power plants
In the 20th century maybe. Green technology transfer helps them build sustainable power sources that would not cause more pollute.
>Or, better yet, encourage British companies to invest in building up these countries like the Chinese are currently doing
That sounds like imperialism. And British companies are already investing in foreign countries to extract their resources, that is why the foreigners are in Britain looking for work. For an avowed socialist, you don't seem to understand how the British ruling elites do exploitation.
>if they were flying the st. george's cross.
At the very least, I would not insult you by lying that these anti-EU protestors are pining for their colonial past.
No.1779777
>>1779750>There is nothing left to decolonise. Chagos Islands and a chunk of Cyprus stand out as two egregious examples to the contrary even if you discard the rest of these freaks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories (Britain don't even use the Chagos islands! The UK nicked them so they could let the Americans use them! Britain is in the baffling position of being the Tesco-manager of
someone else's empire.)
No.1779780
>>1779773 (me)
I'll argue that, Galloway is just a spark to a flame, in a positive manner, that's already been spanning with protests for palestine, the rise of anti imperialist consciousness, I'd also argue seeing naked exploitation abroad should allow seeing blind exploitation at home, the ruling class is scared.
Listening to this speech, he speaks of a tame and neutered population, I would hope this means that people, which most likely is the case, understand the truth of class society, of class enemies etc, I think we saw this with many being against the potential of conscription.
The whole British Values is such bullshit, bringing up religion to hide the issue of those for and against imperialism, he individualizes the issues of hate and racism which the conservatives push and use, hate his bullshit assimilation message assimilate for what, to be a good law abiding citizen and complacent worker, so our statesmen and businessmen can drain everyone's coffers, whoever and whatever, wherever etc… they are or from.
No.1779782
>>1779777>>1779750Btw you can decolonise your fucking British Museum while you are at it.
No.1779783
Galloway is based and that's that.
No.1779784
>>1779775>Yes, it absolutely does. The proles have shit their bed, it is time to lie in it.With socialists like this, who needs rightist propaganda media!
>You are as stupid as those Israelis for making that comparison.There is nothing wrong with the comparison.
Both you and the Israelis have an immense and unfounded victim complex and an equally retarded ethnic grudge.
The only difference is that the Israelis actually hold power so can implement their programme, whereas you don't.
>Green technology transfer helps them build sustainable power sources that would not cause more pollute.The industrialisation of developing countries is infinitely more important and beneficial to humanity than reducing pollution.
>And British companies are already investing in foreign countries to extract their resourcesResource extraction should be nationalised. Building factories, railways and roads as a part of mutually beneficial trade agreements is how countries develop. Fifty years ago Asia was on the same level of development as Africa, look at where they are now thanks to such deals.
No.1779785
>>1779777Virtually nobody knows what the Chagos islands are, and those who do universally want to give them back. There would be no opposition to returning them among the British workers.
As for Cyprus, we haven't even agreed who owns island yet, so who are we supposed to give them back to?
No.1779787
>>1779784>With socialists like this, who needs rightist propaganda media!Okay mr 'immigration is so bad you guys, I am totally not a fascist!'
>Both you and the Israelis have an immense and unfounded victim complex and an equally retarded ethnic grudge. The only one with an immense and unfounded victim complex and an equally retarded ethnic grudge is you and your British proles.
To recap, your British proles has consistently supported Britain's imperial and colonial policies in the past, look upon it fondly via 'Ringing Rule Britannia and being nostalgic over the Battle of Britain' and also complaining about excessive immigration brought upon their colonial and imperial past (and present state). My point is that the British proles' positions (as described by you) are deeply contradictory, not that their suffering is warranted.
>The industrialisation of developing countries is infinitely more important and beneficial to humanity than reducing pollution. It is not a zero sum game.
>Resource extraction should be nationalised. Building factories, railways and roads as a part of mutually beneficial trade agreements is how countries develop. Fifty years ago Asia was on the same level of development as Africa, look at where they are now thanks to such deals.How can resource extraction be nationalized if there is British companies' investment in it? Red imperialism is still imperialism.
No.1779788
>>1779784>With socialists like this, who needs rightist propaganda media!The Conservatives/Tories in the UK have won the vast majority of elections in the past 100 years. Yes they do deserve a worsening quality of life because they are legitimately incapable of refusing to get on their knees for CEOs. I'm tired of the Marxist cope of "false consciousness" fact is a ton of workers are retarded and should be allowed to suffer for continually making stupid decisions.
No.1779789
>>1779784Are you stupid or what? We are talking of our current government.
You want more exploitative resource extraction of other nations, if you're not an idiot you would know that what our companies like BP are doing isn't the same as China is doing, China makes generally mutually beneficial deals, BP and neither would any bourgeoisie government, ever make mutually beneficial deals, they want ans more importantly need one sided, imperialist deals, BP is looking to extract gas from the South Mediterranean Basin right by Gaza, but that won't be put to use by the Palestinian people.
No.1779792
>>1779773mfw sunak unironically calls the fptp vote that only ever elects one of two parties "democracy"
No.1779795
>>1779783He's an opportunist freak that goes hard right whenever he feels it will suit him, but it is beyond funny that he got elected and every labour shill's tears crying over this will nourish me
I can't wait for the parliamentary shenanigans
No.1779800
>>1779783>As for Cyprus, we haven't even agreed who owns island yet, so who are we supposed to give them back to?Leave and let the Cypriots sort it out.
>>1779788This is a naive mode of thinking. If you place the entire propaganda apparatus of society in service of promoting a Tory vote, a Tory vote you will have - should proles also suffer because they drink Coca Cola? Most people have lives to live and nothing to gain from investing time and energy in understanding politics or the function of the world - you and I understand it better than most, and what extra power have we gained? None yet! Chapter 12, conclusion, a system designed to disempower working people and empower capital gives working people no power and capital the whip hand - spoilers!
Stupid people do not deserve to suffer for being stupid. Smart people deserve to suffer for not protecting the stupid from themselves, and indeed for leading the stupid to greater self-harm. The gambler who thinks he's due a win because he doesn't understand probability is an idiot, the MP who thinks he deserves to lose his house because that's the way he sleeps at night after taking backhanders from the gambling companies, having calculated how he can do this without being caught by the parliamentary rules, he's something much worse.
No.1779801
/leftybritpol/ - for worse conditions for british workers
No.1779805
>>1779787>My point is that the British proles' positions (as described by you) are deeply contradictory, not that their suffering is warranted.<Yes, it absolutely does. The proles have shit their bed, it is time to lie in it.Yeah you totally don't believe that British proles deserve to suffer
No.1779808
>>1779800>Stupid people do not deserve to suffer for being stupid. Smart people deserve to suffer for not protecting the stupid from themselves, and indeed for leading the stupid to greater self-harm.This sounds very unfair and taxing for the smart tbh.
>>1779805My argument that the British proles have deeply contradictory positions doesn't rely on my belief that the British proles deserve to suffer. That is just icing on the cake for me.
No.1779815
It's the ultimate self-defeating prophecy.
You tell British proles they are racist scum who "will get what's coming to them" under socialism. Then when they don't support socialism, you are justified in your belief they are all reactionary write-offs. I think third worldoids living in the west are the most pathetic group of people I have ever had the displeasure of interacting with.
No.1779823
>>1779815If you think they're bad now just imagine dealing with them in positions of power under a military occupation by the JDPON
No.1779834
>>1779823Christ, I can only imagine. Thankfully we can sleep easily knowing their entire ideology is a meme that only exists in a small corner of twitter.
No.1779836
>>1779815The choice is a stark but incredibly simple one faced by and for the future generations, either:
You can have the system you have now, which produces luxury goods for the privileged consumption of the people of this nation (those who earn sufficently) and promises wealth for the poor,
OR
You can have a system in which the distribution of resources are tied to social responsibilities; no more Jaguar SUVs, no more designer clothing, no more cheap service labour.
At some point the choice will need to be made, because it will be forced. Commodity production cannot be sustained both because of the falling rate of profit and the necessity of releasing carbon into their environment, which is unsustainable.
No.1779837
>>1779815>You tell British proles they are racist scum who "will get what's coming to them" under socialismWill? Lmao they are already suffering under the Tories. Look at their towns hollowed out. Their welfare state? Privatized. Their gibsmedat? Austerity. Their culture? Diversified. Their hobbies? Commodified. Their jobs? Outsourced. Their population? Decolonised. Their Labour party? Stramer.
All I ask is that they acknowledge their role in their plight. And that they had their chance in 2019.
No.1779838
>>1779823>>1779815>>1779794Watch this video above, an hour in, Chibber talks about this and presents a decent solution, just skim the video to find the related point.
And no not some self defeating prophecy, you get rid of racism, whatever continues sure, like any nation has authority the same would be used, none of us choose to live in this shithole country.
I'll remind you of this quote:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1883/letters/83_08_30.htm"Do not on any account whatever let yourself be deluded into thinking there is a real proletarian movement going on here"
"Participation in the domination of the world market was and is the basis of the political nullity of the English workers"
- Friedrich Engels
Not sure I entirely agree, things have changed, but you can't deny the man that he is entirely incorrect, this is the same person walking through the slums of Manchester.
No.1779843
>>1779815I think you should kill yourself, you consistently shit up this thread with your pseudo-communism and endless national chauvinst baiting
No.1779872
> He added: 'I understand how disappointed (Rishi Sunak) is about the by-election. The Conservative party was crushed not just by me but by an independent candidate no one had heard of outside of Rochdale.'
>Mr Galloway then makes several scathing remarks about the Prime Minister, calling him a 'rather diminished, degraded politician'.
>'You talk as if this is God. We're talking about little Rishi Sunak in the fag end of his prime ministership.
>'Don't talk to me as if he has come down from the mount with tablets of stone. As if he is meant to awe me. He may awe you but he doesn't awe me.
>'He don't impress me much.'
>'Do I respect the prime minister? I despise the Prime Minister. Guess what, millions and millions of people in this country despise the Prime Minister, I don't respect the Prime Minister at all.'
No.1779920
>>1779808Only because of phrasing: Really it's just a mixture of "don't take advantage of others" and looking for systems to fix instead of people to blame. Faced with fuckups you can go "stupid person, just do better!" and watch the same disasters happen again and again, or you can find the reason that people keep doing it and change things so that they don't happen again.
No.1779948
>>1779936Yeah I don't think he's going to hold back
No.1779953
Keir Starmer MP said:
>"The Prime Minister is right to advocate unity and to condemn the unacceptable and intimidatory behaviour that we have seen recently. It is an important task of leadership to defend our values and the common bonds that hold us together. Citizens have a right to go about their business without intimidation and elected representatives should be able to do their jobs and cast their votes without fear or favour. This is something agreed across the parties and which we should all defend."
No.1780063
>>1779936Absolutely based. Imagine if someone with a backbone like this was in power of Labour from 2015-19 instead of a complete wimp. But online soft lefties will forever suck Corbyn's cock and come up with a million excuses to not support Galloway now.
No.1780066
>>1779815No, it's because they're living large at the expense of others and use racism to justify it that they are called imperialist supporting racists. They don't choose to do that because third worldists tell them that is the case, you fucking moron. Most "socialists" (social fascist) imperialist countries pretend that imperialism doesn't exist, which is what you're doing right now. You reactionary moron
No.1780069
>>1779795Can you name a single time where he's done that?
No.1780070
>>1780063You overestimate the Labour leader’s role. I doubt Galloway can preach beyond the choir.
No.1780171
OUR DEMOCRACY IS UNDER THREAT
No.1780172
BAME MPs ARE CURRENTLY IN HIDING
No.1780175
THE TERRIBLE EVENTS OF OCTOBER THE SEVENTH
No.1780178
VLADIMIR PUTIN
No.1780179
FAR-RIGHT JIHADIST INCELS WORKING FOR CHINESE INTELLIGENCE
No.1780246
>>1780069The latest was literally during his Rochdale election campaign, when he criticised shitbour from the right to attempt to ride on terf propaganda.
<“The Labour party can’t agree what a woman is,” he says. “Whereas I’m very clear. As a father of six children, I’m socially conservative. I don’t want my children taught the kind of things Labour wants to teach them in schools.”His message changes whenever he campaigns in Muslim majority wards/districts to bring out shitty traditionalist talking points, trying to fight elections based on his curated Muslim credentials more than actual political issues. His campaign against Imran Hussain is famous for it. These same shitty traditionalist outbursts are also famous for destroying coalitions he works with, like when he talked shit about the Assange rape allegations which then blew up Respect. There is a reason why not even the SWP wants to work with him any more. Even the cult trots know that his brand of politics is taking a shitty stereotype about workers that was made up by working class hating libs, and then running with it as a political platform. Fucking Nick Griffin unironically supports his platform lmao
>>1778538Galloway also supports establishment anti immigrant action and aussie style point systems instead of promoting unionisation of immigrants and action against porkies that undercut domestic workers, and calls environmental issues "green hysteria" in literally 2024.
He is not the "based socialist we were waiting for", he's a brit maga "communist". It's hilarious that he got elected, parliament deserves having to deal with his shit, and PMQs might actually be worth a watch now for the pure entertainment factor, but his only consistently good positions are on foreign affairs.
No.1780292
>>1780246>when he talked shit about the Assange rape allegations how is this a bad thing the rape allegations were falsified
kill yourself glowie
No.1780294
>>1780063>Absolutely based. Imagine if someone with a backbone like this was in power of Labour from 2015-19 instead of a complete wimp. You're a delusional retard or a small kid if you think he could have done as well or better than corbyn.
No.1780384
>>1780292you kys retard for not even knowing what that idiot galloway said
<"Even taken at its worst, if the allegations made by these two women were true, 100% true, and even if a camera in the room captured them, they don't constitute rape," Galloway said. "At least not rape as anyone with any sense can possibly recognise it. And somebody has to say this."literally apologising for all rapists and not even just assange. do you understand now, or do i need to draw it for you?
No.1780387
>>1780294this. galloway would've self destructed in seconds if put in corbyn's position. corbyn was still ultimately shit because once he consolidated he didn't purge as he needed to, but galloway wouldn't even be able to consolidate, his perpetually shit takes would prevent him from it
No.1780399
>>1780384Neither of Assange's alleged victims called what he did rape.
No.1780419
>>1780246I don't pay attention to British politics as much I used to, but Galloway seems like a guy who needs to be at the center of attention. It's in flashy hat as well. Then I read an article about the Rochdale election and the other candidates were also awful and it sounds like a place that's going down the drain, but you know, I suppose we all are:
>He was not the only populist: there was the Rightwing Reform UK candidate Simon Danczuk, a former Labour MP for Rochdale suspended by the party for asking a 17-year-old girl if she wanted him to spank her bottom: he came sixth … The Green candidate Guy Otten was suspended by his party for posting anti-Muslim comments on X — he said the Quran was “full of war, slaughter, rape and pillage with genocide and slavery … not fit for the 21st century.” […] The Labour offering, Azhar Ali, was suspended from his party when a secret recording emerged of him making antisemitic remarks about Jews and the media, but because it was too late to remove his name from the ballot paper he remained the official candidate.[…]
>Racism flies around Rochdale with the wind: I have never heard anything like it. I think everyone is frightened; they face a future they are not prepared for, and embrace the simplicity of a Middle Eastern conflict brought to them by Tiktok. Young Muslim men with no money dress as gangsters: do they even inhabit their own lives?
>Older white men cursed them from the pubs. “Rapists, the lot of them,” said one; almost everything else he said is unprintable. I met a man who told me, “I respect them [Jews]. Although they are in very limited numbers quantity wise, they have control in all the powerful economies in the world. The thing which is very common with them [is] wherever they go they want [to be the] center of attention.”
>I met an 18-year-old Galloway voter by the town hall. “Fuck Israel,” he said. “No Israel. Wipe them out.” I asked him: what should happen to Jews outside Israel? He thought, then said: “Wipe them out as well”. Why? “Because they support Israel.” He had no other political opinions. Perhaps he did not need them.[…]
>I met another local independent candidate, William Howarth, who was politicized by surviving sexual abuse. He runs a hub and shop for survivors in view of the former social services office where he was sexually assaulted as a child. “This is why I picked here,” he said. “So, I could look at it every day and say — ‘I won. You didn’t beat me. I beat you. I’m still here and most of you have gone.’”
>“Half the town is on the breadline,” he said. “There are more people in the food bank queues than there are tins on the shelves. We’re past breaking point.” His shop attracts people who can’t afford other charity shops: its customers are 70 percent Muslim, he added, and, he claims, there was no real tension until Galloway came. Or rather, it lay below the surface, and bloomed with his coming.
>Howarth feared race war if Galloway won. “I can promise you that because people are angry,” he says. “Palestine is a problem. It’s not a Rochdale problem. I believe it’s going to create a breeding ground for the far right and the far left.”
>Until now, he says, “we were getting on, no race wars, nothing like that.” He says he was stopped by a Galloway supporter who threatened to cut his throat if he campaigned in Muslim areas. He went anyway: “I’m a Rochdale boy, we don’t put up with that shit.” What happened? “Nothing.” After I left, Howarth rang to say he was racially abused by a white man on the street, who screamed: “Do you not love Palestine, you dirty white Zionist?”
>Haworth knows that his campaign attracts the far right. He tells them not to come, and he informs the police. https://www.politico.eu/article/rochdale-by-election-george-galloway-populism-palestine/ No.1780472
>>1780419>I don't pay attention to British politics as much I used to, but<here I am to pasta a fucking politico turd and not once mention Galloway's position on Gaza or his potential to change the national political conversationLike you would say anon, Eww
No.1780475
>>1780472Yes, Galloway is anti-Israel, but half of his other positions are garbage
No.1780529
>>1780399yes, yes, dig to rock bottom, come out on the side of the sex pests and the paedos lmao
>According to the police report, Anna Ardin [sv][11] arranged Assange's trip to Sweden and he stayed at her flat while she was out of town. She returned on 13 August and went out for a meal with Assange before returning to her flat with him. According to her account, which Assange disputes, he began pulling off her clothes. Ardin told police she didn't want to "but that it was too late to stop Assange as she had gone along with it so far", and so she let him to undress her. Ardin told police she realised he was trying to have unprotected sex with her, held her down and stopped her from reaching for a condom before agreeing to use it, but she said he had "done something" to it that made it rip, which he denied.stop being an uncritical tool maybe? even if you're desperate for a left wing victory, that doesn't mean you need to fully grab onto anyone who pings the aesthetics at you for even a split second.
it's funny galloway won, but he's also a rape apologist, and the best part is it has absolutely nothing to do with whether assange did it or not, because galloway is simply that dumb and instead of looking at the proof critically (which in the end ended up showing nothing of note), instead went on the attack against the women in the middle of a literal watershed of talking about how common rapes are in general. this is who your idol is.
No.1780530
The biggest winner in Rochdale yesterday was Vladimir Putin.
No.1780533
>>1780529>it's funny galloway won, but he's also a rape apologistMakes sense when you consider he was close friends with RAPIST and CANNIBAL Uday Hussein.
No.1780540
>>1780419There's a post in X showing how radically different Galloway's campaign letter is to Christian and Muslim voters; to the former he deployed hard right anti-globalist MAGA narrative and to the latter he essentially talked like one of those Islamic charity guys who are campaigning about Palestine. If anything it really is a (dialectically) technocratic approach to sectarianization
No.1780561
>>1780540Yeah his letter for non-muslim households was basically
>muh nationalism>muh family values social conservatism>muh trans culture war>they're teaching d*generacy in schools>muh law and order>muh precious small business tyrantsIf you took George's name off of it and posted it in here anyone would think it was a Tory letter or just outright ticking off a checklist for fascism. I kinda like Galloway in general and admire a lot of what he's done in his life and stood up for but this shit leaves a really bad taste in my mouth and makes me think he's deeply untrustworthy and politically unreliable.
No.1780569
>>1779958There's gonna be actual anti semites soon running for MPs and these fuckers have themselves to blame when no one listens or cares
No.1780571
>>1780569>There's gonna be actual anti semites soon running for MPsNah Rishi/Keith would arrest them before it ever come to that.
No.1780576
>>1780569Pretty much every third tory councillor in the country is bnp/edl and has been for decades, they just know to keep them out of sight.
No.1780588
>>1780571haha good joke my dude, as long as the antisemites are from the right and know how to keep their trap shut on national tv, everything is cool in school for these fucks
No.1780595
>>1780588Antisemitism does not actually exist in Britain and I'm sick of pretending it does.
No.1780602
>>1780595it exists, its just not the people who labour cunts and the board of zio deputies finger all the time
the true antisemitism is your creepy uncle who still has his NF badge hidden away in his drawer, and goes on rants about the great replacement after he read about it on 4chins
No.1780606
>>1780602TBF there are actually existing Muslim anti-Semites too in Britain (for the sake of fairness I'll say there's also islamophoic Jews)
No.1780608
>>1780602>the true antisemitism is your creepy uncle who still has his NF badge hidden away in his drawer, and goes on rants about the great replacement after he read about it on 4chinsYou should report him to PREVENT lad
No.1780610
>>1780608he's not muslim, ergo no action
No.1780614
>>1780610Yep, if your muslim and if you dare to attend a labour union meeting then you are detained by the police and summarily raped by the Hindu nationalist known as Rishi Sunak.
No.1780615
>>1780610There were more c.huds referred than islamists according to the last report I believe.
No.1780722
>>1780529Neither of Assange's alleged victims called what he did rape.
>YOU HAVE DIGDUGGED YOURSELF TO ROCK BOTTOM MOTHAFUCKAH!!😢 Sorry I will never ask for a woman's opinion on anything again.
(Not gonna read the rest of your post btw as you might be a woman) No.1780906
>>1780472>Galloway's position on Gaza or his potential to change the national political conversationOr change the national political conversation about Gaza to a conversation about George Galloway, which he'd be happy to do because his ego is the size of the Titanic. He plays the role of the enfant terrible, and he provides a vector for expression, but I can see him also being a convenient vessel for the establishment to unite against. I think a lot of Palestinian activists in Britain are very conscious and direct about where they demonstrate and towards what though.
No.1780945
>>1780906>Or change the national political conversation about Gaza to a conversation about George Galloway, That's not true. They would have done that to any Palestinian activist by bringing up statements from the past and calling them antisemitic. They don't care about anything but preventing people from addressing the Genocide that is going on and they will center it around the activist no matter who it is.
>but I can see him also being a convenient vessel for the establishment to unite against.Already happened with Corbyn. But anyway keep reading mainstream bourgeois garbage for your world view about international politics.
No.1780965
>>1780529Anna Ardin is a US intelligence asset. She deliberately honey trapped Assange in order to put forth the rape claim. Their own statements to the police admit as much - that she was hellbent on trying to nail Assange with a rape conviction.
>According to translations of statements the women gave to Swedish investigators which Reuters has reviewed, Miss A. alleged that during an encounter on August 14, Assange tried to have sex with her without a condom. Subsequently he put on a condom and the couple had consensual sex. But Miss A. claims the condom later broke or was torn open by Assange. Miss A. also claimed that on August 18, Assange exposed himself to her and rubbed against her, an act which Swedish authorities characterized as an incident in which Assange "deliberately molested" her.>In her statement to police, Miss W. reported that on August 17, she and Assange had consensual sex with a condom. She alleges he later had sex with her without a condom while she was asleep.>Miss W.'s brother told investigators that his sister said "she didn't want to report Julian if he went and got tested for sexually transmitted diseases." A friend of the two women told police they told him that when they initially went to police they "didn't intend to have Julian charged with anything."^ That's from Reuters.
They both admit it was consensual and that when they went to the police they weren't intending to charge him. Then suddenly out come the rape accusations. You're an absolute moron for buying into this retarded entrapment scheme and should just kill yourself so the left isn't burdened by idiots like you who can't spot a fishy story a mile away.
No.1781037
>>1780945>Already happened with Corbyn.They did everything they could do destroy him with lots of cooked-up innuendo after he captured the leadership of the Labour Party, but I don't think he ever sent out of dog-whistling mailer about "grooming gangs." George Galloway was also on Stew Peters' show, like, last month, and that guy is a Holocaust denier and promotes neo-Nazi films like "Evropa: The Last Battle." It seems like the Zionists and the cranks are winning now, and everyone else is losing. I almost respect the cynicism of it all but I think people will come to regret it eventually.
>But anyway keep reading mainstream bourgeois garbage for your world view about international politics.You should read everything critically. The mainstream bourgeois garbage has its hegemonic master narrative, but on the flip side, there's no real incentive in the alt-media to tell the truth compared to producing the right vibes by establishing a contrarian viewpoint to the mainstream.
No.1781046
>>1781037>You should read everything critically.No.
You will only buy and read the party newsletter.
You will always pay the solidarity price for it instead ov the normie price.
No.1781083
By 2040 the Tories will be replaced with a British branch of the BJP
No.1781087
>>1779958In March 1933 there was a worldwide boycott of German goods in response to Nazi attacks on Jews and the Board of Deputies of British Jews refused to join the boycott.
https://books.google.com/books?id=e_aRvKpLUf0C&pg=PA95In 1966 the Board of Deputies of British Jews derided the anti-fascist 62 Group as "Jews who act as if throwing tomatoes at a British racialist speaker is somehow getting their own back on Hitler."
https://brill.com/view/journals/fasc/9/1-2/article-p121_121.xml No.1781380
>>1779329> like his bullshit patriotismhow dare a man want to appeal to his nation and not be a self hating intellectual
No.1781400
>>1781392Weird how he doesn't mention any of this in his actual election material…
No.1781402
Good morning!
No.1781403
>>1781400Well if he can win just by campaigning on Gaza then that seems like a good idea
No.1781405
Why does it not surprise me that the faggot gaynazi flag is in here crying about Galloway lol
This guy is the most useless cunt to ever post here and for some reason he believes his infantile lib opinions on everything are so important that everyone needs to hear them. God I hope you kill yourself this year
No.1781416
>>1781380follow your leader faggot
No.1781421
>>1781416I'm not European or American moron, and accusing everyone being a Nazi for having practical politics that appeal to the majority is beyond moronic,
No.1781562
>>1781416Even the YCL claims to be patriotic and celebrates Saint George's day.
No.1781573
I hate Galloway but it's worth it simply because of the seethe it caused among Tory/Labour ranks.
No.1781579
>>1780965NTA but he is clearly against the rape allegations of Assange. He is just saying that denying the nature and definition of said rape allegations is a moronic way to go about defending Assange . If anything Galloway is making Assange look bad with the poor argument.
No.1781584
>>1780561>muh precious small business tyrantsHonestly being a "muh small business" guy no matter if right or left in 2024 west is the biggest indicator someone is a washed opportunist.
"Small businesses" in 2024 VVest is garbage stores that sell you the same shit you can find on Amazon but 3 time the price, food shops selling you the same meat you can find at Walmart style supermarket but 3 time the price, various scammey "businesses", disgusting filth ridden kebab/fried chicken/taco shop doing money laundering drug dealing and small scale corruption, "restaurants" serving you frozen dishes they bought at some company for 2 time the price because they added a leaf of fresh parsley on it. Small business have ceased to rime with masterful craftsmanship, unique items, or even good prices for a longtime.
Total Small Business Death in the developped world, they are artificially maintained alive by government gibs and unnwaranted tax cuts in the name of "fighting big business" (what for?) while offering the most mediocre services imaginable.
No.1781587
Yea imagine Corbyn supporting small business, everyone would be shitting on him. But just because a person wrapping himself with a flag saying so, it is suddenly okay and acceptable.
No.1781589
>>1781584Yeah, 'small business' is for all intents and purposes the public subsidy of the most feverishly reactionary segments of the british middle classes, fascist shopkeepers frothing at the mouth to protect their meagre property for their families.
Long live international monopoly capital which in spite of itself creates the conditions for world communism.
No.1781600
>>1781589This. At least big capital creates infrastructures we can use and shit. Small businessmens havent paved a road or funded street lighting for more than half a century, it's either big capital or the state that make all these things.
No.1781605
>>1781600The mafia is a bit of a family business
No.1781609
>>1781608>bourgeois politicians don't advocate against the interests of the bourgeois classwoah
No.1781611
>>1781609Yeah not a Galloway exclusive thing but goes for every politician. And as far as practicality, you do need businesses as we still live in a capitalist society. I guess you could try to get rid of all the businesses and replace them with coops in your jurisdiction perhaps.
No.1781613
>>1781608I didn't have a major issue with it at the time, I just wanted to prove that anon wrong.
No.1781614
the next thread OP is going to be a GALLOGOD one btw
No.1781615
>>1781613Yeah I know. I'm glad you posted it. It's funny anons really think Corbyn would be like:
"Death to small businesses, I'm going to bankrupt them all NOW! LONG LIVE SOCIALISM!"
No.1781698
>>1781614But the question is, what to title it?
No.1781735
>>1781562>Luv Engerland>Luv the people>Luv socialism>'ate the Tories>'ate NATO>'ate LabourSimple as
No.1781935
>>1781403Fair enough when speaking to Muslims but his white households election letter was basically just culture war shit and 'small business'
No.1781948
What even is Galloway's long-term goal? Mixing left-wing economic goals with strange right-wing conservative social politics will only get him so far.
No.1781951
>>1781948Personal celebrity. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if he believes in most of what he says but he clearly has a grifter's instincts
No.1782131
>>1781948Getting into parliament, being in parliament, having his parliamentary debate contributions shared on TV and online, losing his parliamentary seat, standing in by-elections and getting into parliament…
Bar a few principles where a U-turn would be implausible and unhelpful (like on the middle east), all other politics bend to what's useful in terms of the above. This may not be a route to a viable long-term left politics, but it doesn't have to be. It's a very viable route to meeting the material needs and interests of one George Galloway.
Ideology is for the most part an effect of an event, not a cause of them.
No.1782132
>>1781948>What even is Galloway's long-term goal?To fuck the political establishment when he can, where he can. He's despised by the left and right, all of the media, all the mainstream political commentators, the security state and pretty much everyone who holds any power.
He's an agent of chaos and it doesn't seem like he can be controlled, which is why Sunak, Starmer and the entire journalist class have chimped out so hard over the last few days.
No.1782325
Leftypol is too retarded and behind to grasp Galloway and the revival of the populist left wing. The "infrared crowd" intellectualy outpaced you.
No.1782326
>>1782325can't keep up
You'll have to go on without me, boys (or girls but let's be real)
No.1782681
>>1781603Rare L from Corbyn tbh.
No.1782684
>>1781611That doesn’t mean you should be propping up small business. It will affirm long held beliefs about capitalism and private property (that I am sure you hold) that socialists are supposed to use the electoral system to dispel.
You don’t even need to destroy small business, but encourage conversion to employee-owned or worker cooperatives for better efficiency and sustainability.
No.1782790
>>1782718Yeah, was less of a case of Galloway winning, but everyone else just completely shitting the bed lmao
No.1782796
>>1782718At least he has a leg up in the General election. Has he been running in every vulnerable seats nationwide?
No.1782869
>>1761833The software we use to process applications isn't great, you can expect a response in 2-4 weeks - definitely contact them (or ur local branch/district) over email and/or social media
>>1736940>>1737129>>1737460Yeah, join the YCL! We have a strong focus on cadre development and there are lots of different opportunities to get involved with different areas of political work. Great time to join too as we've been experiencing high growth for the last 10 years and particularly since 2019.
>>1737715>applie No.1782872
>>1737715>Weird Stalin fanclubnot at all true lol our party line is BRS which makes pretty major criticisms of Stalin and his leadership
>Aren't great at organising outside of their eventsthere's a YCL bloc at most major broad left events
>join a tenants union or Palestine Actionif you do either of these things you'll be sure to meet plenty of YCLers in your time there
No.1782906
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1764666740917575973
>Corbyn to sue Nigel FarageHERE WE, HERE WE, HERE WE FUCKING GO!!
No.1782909
>>1780965>Anna Ardin is a US intelligence asset. She deliberately honey trapped Assange in order to put forth the rape claim.This. There was reporting at the time about her activities connected to LatAm iirc.
No.1782919
>>1782872> Not true at all> there's a YCL bloc at most major broad left eventsMost organisation isn't done at demos.
> if you do either of these things you'll be sure to meet plenty of YCLers in your time thereNot really.
No.1782924
>>1782881Apologies, but I'm gonna be a meanie…
Damn she doesn't even pass and based retard Indian simp still salivating over a vaguely feminine white blonde pfp. No.1782949
>>1782919Willing blindness
No.1782965
>>1782960
Comrade best to not have some on here privy to too much
No.1782970
>>1782872Yea I'm gonna say these freaks don't exist outside london/maybe some northern student towns.
No.1782995
>>1782965yea good point. this is why i need to stay of britpol I always end up arguing with ultras about the League lol
No.1782998
>>1782986Sure buddy.
Enjoy your communism until you finish your degree and get your plush middle class job of sitting infeint of a computer all day.
No.1783003
>>1782998graduated uni before covid lad
No.1783007
>>1783003Ah. You won't be at this much longer then.
Uni Student faggots. The worst thing to happen to the British left.
No.1783012
>>1783007also didn't join the league or party until i had a job and had graduated lol. what organising work do you do for the British left then?
No.1783054
leftybritpol is full of people smearing the USSR now? How things have changed
No.1783066
>>1782718You have to wonder what the point of this thread actually is. A place where people repeat mass media lines to attack someone actively putting themselves in harm's way to force the pro-palestine message upon the media with confidence and strength. Doubtlessly the lot of you still have your tongue up the arse of pussy corbyn who was too afraid to do so and sold out his friends for the benefit of Labour friends of Israel. Go and speak to a muslim if you're within 50 miles of one, we are extremely pleased that someone who has contributed his whole life to end apartheid in south africa and palestine has won and we are hoping it will lead to more candidates like him staying in parliament and challenging the establishment message. But no, smug hipster white boys like you will sit here and claim you know better because he doesn't agree with you on every little clout chasing issue whilst contributing infinitely less to the cause. All this while a GENOCIDE is happening before our eyes. Wankers the lot of you
No.1783074
>>1782995Yeah it's a bit rough. As it's an image board there's definitely some on here with the free time and derangement to actually try to find good comrades irl and smear them
No.1783077
>>1781587That's exactly what he would have done, except even more so. You are forgetting that Galloway's platform is economically more left wing than Corbyn
No.1783084
>>1783007Just recalling the number of times lefties criticised us (indirectly) for being too proletarian lmao
No.1783104
>>1782998>>1783007Thank you.
Not even one of the bong Kings subjects.
No.1783200
I can't think of anything more pathetic than the labour aristocracy that exists in this country; minimm wage roles are accepted to be a temporary stage on which it is incumbent on the individual to escape, and that their failure to do so signifies that they are deserving of their own fate.
Where the system succeeds, the mentality of the individual is the belief that it is through their own doing, rather than as a natural course of some external function. And this mentality occupies their perspective with such force that they begin to see those who, by simple fate of fortune, failing to achieve what has essentially been given to them, as lesser.
It is genuinely the mentality of a cuckold. Putting aside the fact that the electorate sold itself anew in 2019 with the election of Johnson over Corbyn, what happens daily is that a proportion of this country sets out well aware of the complete misery of the conditions of some, only to strive for the sole value in their life: money.
To think that 100 years ago the socialists were reaching their heights. Now society is dominated to the final degree by wealth. Luxury cars, cruises, clothes, food, healthcare, drugs. It's genuinely fucking pathetic; that has to be what is so sad about the situation of this nation. 100 years ago the socialists of this nation were united, if not in overthrowing bourgeois society, then at least in being in the position to demand legal and political rights for workers.
100 years later, the heritage of this nation is in individuals who have no notion, whatsoever, of 'solidarity'. You have to be such a fucking cuck to trade the opportunity of the ideal of common ownership for something as low and as cheap as the right to choose between two identical brands of cereal, the ability to pay rent on buying a new Land Rover, or the motivation to have some side hustle in your free time for making a paltry sum of cash.
Fucking slave mentality.
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>>1783200>I can't think of anything more pathetic than the labour aristocracy that exists in this country; minimm wage roles are accepted to be a temporary stage on which it is incumbent on the individual to escape, and that their failure to do so signifies that they are deserving of their own fate.bro thats every capitalist country
No.1783234
>>1783218It's so fucking sad; socities based around and dsfigured for the purpose of profit.
Humans have never been so close, and yet so far, in being able to take their destiny into their own hands.
No.1783243
>>1783066i already told one of you: galloway is a troll, not a marxist. his only consistent positions exist in the scope of foreign policy. we are allowed to criticise him for his opportunism on non-gaza issues. critical support is a thing, i know you lot are thirsty for an actual left wing victory on this island full of retardation, but you also need to learn not to dig your heels into the dirt for every single grifter as long as he says one thing right.
is trolling the establishment bad? no. will it lead to socialism? also no. will galloway screaming about gaza in parliament be good? yes. is it possible he will do damage to the cause by opening his mouth on other issues? also yes. think, don't just follow.
No.1783782
>>1783077No it isn’t. Corbyn in 2019 pushed for some form of worker ownership and complete nationalisation of core industries
No.1783893
>>1783066>All this while a GENOCIDE is happening before our eyes. A genocide is happening before your eyes, yet you turn and stare intently at a poxy byelection in a forgotten shit region of a failed US vassal state as though it means something because it has to mean something, this can't all be for nothing. The world can't be so cruel. (It can.)
By all means enjoy the wind up, but don't imagine it matters.
>>1783200Remember that this is and always has been a ruling class nation. A place that cut the head off its king, then went "wait no, get his son, we're sorry", a place where the Labour party was always packed with aristocrats, a place which democratically peaked as a developmentalist left-wing-of-capital govenment more interested in exports than welfare before being torn to ribbons and left schizophrenic, too bigoted, too small minded an island province to be a neoliberal mecca, too neoliberal to be a functioning national economy.
It's not that the working class failed, it's that the ruling class succeeded. But then ensuring
succession is the core of aristocracy.
No.1784201
>>1783893Everything you say here is true for France, Germany, Ireland, Holland and every other western european country, but for some reason you only feel the need to spam the britpol thread.
No.1784235
>>1783782>Corbyn in 2019 pushed for some form of worker ownership and complete nationalisation of core industriesGalloway agrees with that. Corbyn and Galloway are not far off from each other and Galloway is more left economically than Corbyn. It's hard to justify liking Corbyn and disliking Galloway unless this is about personality for you.
No.1784473
>>1784368Powerful statement against that orcZZist
No.1784561
>>1784235>Galloway agrees with that. Corbyn and Galloway are not far off from each other and Galloway is more left economically than Corbyn.Clearly not if it isn't in the ten point plan. It is as succdem than Corbyn's 2017 manifesto.
>It's hard to justify liking Corbyn and disliking Galloway unless this is about personality for you.Seems to be the other way around, with one guy trying to desperately to ward off any criticism and ambivalence of Galloway with endless browbeating.
No.1786098
>>1785960It's too many for "bitch", it has to be "bastard", do British women call each other bastards? In the states that's usually reserved for men.
No.1787503
Can anyone here give a quick tldr on Galloway for a branon?
No.1787528
>>1787503He was friends with Saddam Hussein.
No.1787568
>>1787503he fought for Palestine since the 70s. he went to South Africa under apartheid to work for the ANC. he opposed the war in Iraq and said Tony Blair killed a million people. he went to the U.S. senate and gave them both barrels. he went on celebrity big brother and drank milk. rumours he converted to islam. won a parliament seat for the RESPECT party in east London. got his radio show banned for 'anti semitism'. hosted shows on Press TV and RT. went to Gaza with bags of cash and handed them out. defended Assad from the claims of gas attacks, but criticised the Syrian regime for adopting neoliberalism in the 2000s and praised Hafez. gave copies of Mao to Saddam Hussein. he is one of the great orators in the English language .
No.1788100
A non-retarded electoral strategy (if such a thing exists at all):
How we should contest by Edmund Griffith
https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1481/how-we-should-contest/ No.1788519
>>1788100>Weekly WorkerDid NOT read
No.1788688
>>1788100>There are lots of things that one or two opposition MPs can do. They can use parliament as a platform. They can ask ministers questions. At a time when democratic rights, including the right to protest, are under attack, they can put themselves in the front rank of any progressive demonstration that the police might try to break up. Make them arrest a member of parliament.Stand out part to me. Are there many instances of this?
Bobby Sands being in prison and ebing voted an MP obviously a different circumstance
No.1790372
I want to shag Grace Blakeley.
No.1790379
>>1790372Based Blakely
She's to posh anon and not available to you. Just appreciate her as a good talker who didn't waver from a brexit position.
No.1790432
I want to rape Richie Sunak and give him my precious HIV
No.1792295
>>1788519Griffith is not a regular WW writer I believe. And the article is outstanding. By that I do not mean it is exciting to read (it is not), I mean it is flawless.
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https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/breaking-grant-shapps-plane-hacked-32350715Has anybody seen this? Apparently he was on his way back from a visit to Poland. If the attack was performed by state actors, it could be an implied threat and related to the subject of his discussions whilst there.
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