No.1751299
>For Reagan not only saw communists as parricides, but also as extremely active sexually-completely in contrast to the actual sexual code in most communist countries. For instance, when he ran for Governor of California, one of the central themes of his campaign was “the mess at Berkeley,” a place where, he said, they held “sexual orgies so vile I can-not describe them to you,” promising if elected to “investigate the charges of communism and blatant sexual misbehavior on the Berkeley campus.” A good part of the reason why he was elected was that, as one biographer put it, “hidden away in the hearts of parents was the fear that their own children might one day go away to college, grow beards and march against authority.”… Reagan promised these voters that his first targets as Governor would be the students at Berkeley, “advocates of sexual orgies, drug usage, and filthy speech,” who wanted only to “disrupt the academic community” and who therefore must be brought under control immediately. The situation at Berkeley, he told a woman’s club in April of 1966, was now so bad that their “morality gap is so great that we can no longer ignore it.” He had proof, he said, that the Alameda County District Attorney had just investigated a student dance which had turned into “an orgy,” where they had displayed on a giant screen “pictures of men and women, nude, in sensuous poses, provocative, fondling.” Since Reagan had waved a piece of paper in the air during the speech, saying that he had the report of the DA’s investigation “in his hand,” curious reporters later asked the DA for a copy, only to be told that “my office made no investigations of the college dance.” - Lloyd deMause, "REAGAN’S AMERICA"
You can even see this sort of mentality in people like Ben Shapiro who conflate communism, socialism, and "the left" with rebellion against all authority and goodness for the sake of mindless pleasure. Not to mention the endless obsession with LGBTQ+, qanon pedophile theories, porn, abortion, etc.
What is the actual materialist explanation for the right wing obsession with sex? Does porky get some sort of benefit from everyone being a heterosexual monogamous who goes to church once a week? if not why the backlash? is it just to ensure a constant supply of new workers?
No.1751302
They're squares
>Does porky get some sort of benefit from everyone being a heterosexual monogamous who goes to church once a week
Yes
No.1751303
>>1751299>What is the actual materialist explanation for the right wing obsession with sex?Projection.
No.1751312
>>1751307I think the most important aspect is that you are indeed more compliant in the "majority" population. The whole idea of "normalcy" is limiting.
There is a reason Marx said "The ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class" and it is not just because they simply like to enforce their worldview on their underlings.
No.1751316
>>1751299I think the men who become cultural conservatives are not actually straight but actually repressed asexuals. Thus they need all these abstract justifications for sticking their dick in a woman (the nation, the religion, the white race, etc.) Like that recent spat of memes where they cover up naked women with AI. They are obviously disgusted by sex.
No.1751321
>>1751317
>To create more physical proles who will create economic value in the future
WRONG, porkies are just fine with migration. What they want is families, because families have a very specific list of goods only/mostly families want and also can afford
No.1751323
>>1751321>WRONG, porkies are just fine with migration. I think it's like, there's the liberal porky faction that encourages migration, and the racist porky faction that doesn't want that and resorts to turning white women into broodmares as recompense
No.1751359
>>1751316this makes way too much sense. much like the homophobic homosexual conservative
No.1751362
The 1960's did mark an intellectual current that is pro-liberation of desires against all authority. The youth of the 60's chanted Marxist slogans, but their true lineage is closer to Bataille and De Sade. This is not, however, inherently Leftist, nor does it always manifest in lurid orgiastic outbursts that conservative parents imagined.
The reason for that particular schizophrenia was the changing nature of American economy which by then was at the peak of its global capitalist empire. This period was basically a runner-up to the neoliberal explosion of the Reagan years that would put an end to Industrial America and subsequently birthed the Managerial, Financial America. Just like how structural changes of 1900's America resulted in the Prohibition, the economic changes of 1960's America caused by a surplus of superprofit from its Empire resulted in a panic against the rapid decline of the industrial society pitted against that of College-educated financial society. It is in this context that some very paranoid conservative Americans probably saw college kids talking about the liberation of sexual desires, and their already panicked state of mind converted that into imagination of basically satanic orgies happening in US universities
No.1751368
I want to nitpick something in OP before the population growth bickering starts and I gracefully bow out.
>>1751299>mindless pleasureI think the powers that be (the Man, as it were) have no problem with mindless pleasure (the idiot box etc.) It's mindful pleasure that is worrying.
No.1751714
>>1751366It's 10+ years that the european govs whine about population decline, and how they need immigrants to keep the population up.
Not to mention that the image you gave us specified exactly that population growth in the LEAST DEVELOPED COUNTRIES is a problem for the US.
Global population control is a rightoid spook and part of the white genocide narrative.
No.1751952
>>1751368>I think the powers that be (the Man, as it were) have no problem with mindless pleasure (the idiot box etc.) It's mindful pleasure that is worrying.so what, like the rave movement in the 80s uk being infused with a backlash to thatcherism?
No.1752070
>>1751952I don't know anything about rave or inbred island.
No.1752094
>>1751316Lmao why is it so hard for you fags to understand that we're just religious and we adhere to our faith pretty strictly
>NOOOOO THEY'RE HAS TO BE AN UNDERLYING PSYCHOSEXUAL PATHOLOGY THAT CAUSES THIISSS!!! MUH HECKIN FREUDORINO No.1752096
>>1752094Religious people fuck more often than non religious ones unironically. Since their community literally sets them up to do nothing but that and reproduce
No.1752097
>>1752094>No I don't have a sex thing going on>I'm just retarded, straight upWeird defense but ok
No.1752159
His wife was rumored around hollywood to giving great head.
No.1752191
>>1752094Because, my dear religious friend, religion is less about God than it is about our sexual neuroses. That is why 99% of religions are about arbitrary restriction on sex: how many wives you can take, when and where you should have sex, how to treat sexual refuse, and whether usage of contraceptions is acceptable. The Sexual taboo is the most comprehensive field in religions because Sex belongs solely to humans; it is alien to the Divine.
No.1752192
and yet so many pious rabbis, imans, priests, and pastors, fap to traps, rent boys, fuck children, and goon away at home behind lockd doors while condemning it in public. there's something going on.
No.1752199
>>1752094Freud was right, cry about it repressed faggot.
No.1752208
Best explanation for rightoid motivations is psychoanalytical. Repression, projection, reactive formation, castration anxiety, all of that motivates them far more than any "material" factors.
No.1752225
>>1752094If that were the case, priests wouldn’t molest boys.
No.1761945
>>1751362>Americans probably saw college kids talking about the liberation of sexual desires, and their already panicked state of mind converted that into imagination of basically satanic orgies happening in US universitiesso fear of orgies is just sublimated fear of financial neoliberalism and the PMC it creates?
No.1761947
>>1752094>Lmao why is it so hard for you fags to understand that we're just religious and we adhere to our faith pretty strictlyok but why do rightoids want to use the state to mandate or not mandate lifestyles on others?
No.1798842
>>1752225Teachers molest boys at a higher rate than priests. Are teachers repressed sexually in your head
No.1798889
>>1798842Yea that’s coz teachers have more access to kids.
No.1798940
"Trad" or conservative rightwingers like Reagan seems to see communism or the left as some kind of pagan Nietzschian vitalism.
"Communists just want to rape all our women & girls, do genocides and have a good time afterward because it gets them off! Remember the barbaric red army raping it's way throught berlin and killing all germans in the east!". Their idea of communism is an orgy of life affirming violence, sex and perpertual war.
They basically sees use as a bunch of Dirlewanger squads and themselves as austere stoics trying to resist our urges to conquer. Odd.
No.1798945
>>1751299>Does porky get some sort of benefit from everyone being a heterosexual monogamousmore children = more reserve labor
>who goes to church once a week?The church serves as a substitute for welfare and offers a way for people to socialize in an environment that's otherwise heavily regulated. Part of it is also the enduring influence that religion had before the colonial era, particularly in places like Europe where the Catholic Church was effectively in charge or the United States where settlers were organized by Protestant sects.
>why the backlash [against sex]?As stupid as it is, lots of people just hate sex. They aren't asexual, which is a perfectly legitimate reason to dislike sex; rather, they're heterosexual men and women who have been
taught to hate sex. Places like the United States have abysmal sex ed, where young adults are told to shut up and repress anything they feel rather than sit down and talk about it or engage with it in a healthy way; this leads to revulsion as they grow older, and repeat the cycle down the line.
For conservatives in particular, being anti-sex is a great way to control people. They can tap into the sexual repression I mentioned above and claim moral depravity if someone has sex, which is very effective fuel for outrage culture and offers an easy answer to problems in society.
No.1799070
>>1752191This is only true in monotheism whose priesthood is usually made up of eunuchs and people who are generally disgusted by their bodies (philosophers), like paul who says that even to have a wife is sinful and implies that procreation is actually the "original sin" that mankind is bound in (an ode to the early christian gnostics).
Pagan religion is incomparable, even though all human cultures generally attempt to guard the concept of sexual modesty (which freud explicates in "totem and taboo" is the first act of restriction that enters man properly into civilisation by disbanding the sexual monopoly of "the primal father [kronos] by arranging marriages thereafter for the sake of peacekeeping).
No.1799071
>What is the actual materialist explanation for the right wing obsession with sex?
Jouissance. Taboo creates the "surplus enjoyment" of denial, politically with the public-private distinction, which leftists erode this by publicising sexual identity and relations.
Ive already made the point before too about the jouissance of homophobia arising from a constitutive homoeroticism, by emptying the signifier of activity from its anunciation (but by formalising relations you disperse what you [didnt] have by refraction - like how you fall into a relationship, you dont one day say that youre bf and gf, thats anti-social). Youre allowed to be "gay" by not being gay, thats why there are no publicly gay athletes or soldiers, because homoeroticism barrs the autonomy of this identity through enjoying it's coded placation.
Think for example too of the whole "trap" phenomenon. The womanly image sustains an "excess" through her male sex, which is the "enjoyment" of her condition, and this is also why MtF transhumanists who get their cocks cut off lose all of their appeal, because they are caught within the constitution of a contradiction which gives meaning to their character.
So the conservative enjoyment is in this pre-political relation of the informal sexual excess, where leftists usually want to bring this into formality, thus creating political autonomy but losing the qualitative excess.
This is the same divide political between femboys and transhumanists. One is allowed to have this discursive excess of being a boy while appearing as a girl, while the other has identified with the cause of their subjectivity and so lost their mystique.
No.1799078
>>1798946>sex>with girlsPedophile.
Desire to have sex with women.
Push this nonsense out from your head.
No.1799117
Essentially this
>>1751362The fight between conservative and liberal social values was the fight between industrial capitalism where frugality was a virtue vs financial capitalism which encourages mindless consumption. Financial capitalism used to be the side of progress, but in its triumph has done away with history and the idea of progress altogether. What's left is only the commodified images of former realities in a parodistic eternal fight against eachother.
No.1799285
>>1751299Post cuckservative greatest hits.
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/kompromat-or-revelations-from-the-unpublished-portions-of-andrea-manaforts-hacked-texts/That’s a rather dainty way to refer to over a decade of coercive and manipulative sexual behavior, in which Manafort allegedly forced his wife, vulnerable from having sustained brain damage after a near-death horseback riding accident years before, to engage in “gang bangs” with black men while he watched.
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She shouldnt have to do that and i would feel the same way
she keeps saying she has tried so hard
but she can’t keep doing it
and the stuff he has made her do is outrageous
mom thinks dad will end their marriage bc she won’t do it anymore
i don’t even know what to think
Im in shock
This is abuse
but apparently he has a thing for black men
hard core.
one time it was 6 black men in a hotel room
i hate him jessica. i think i hate him.
she asked why so many black men and he said bc they are the ones willing to do it
Seymour Hersh, the journalist famously responsible for bringing the truth about the My Lai massacre to the American public, received a phone call in 1974 from a hospital in California. A doctor informed him that Richard Nixon, who had recently resigned the presidency, had beaten his wife Pat so badly she had just been admitted. Hersh never published the story, partly so as not to put his source — and, by extension, the hospital — at risk. Over the years, as Nixon’s abuse was confirmed by multiple other sources, Hersh maintained his silence. What did wife beating have to do with the man’s diplomacy in China or his role in Watergate? What did a “bad marriage” have to do with a man’s public life?
At a 1998 event with the Nieman Journalism Fellows at Harvard, Hersh shared the story — about Nixon, about the hospital — and was surprised at the response from women journalists in the room, who pointed out that he chose to not write about allegations of repeated criminal behavior by an American president. Hersh told them, “I did not think it was a story, I thought it was his business.” The event was recorded. After 25 years, both Hersh’s knowledge of Nixon’s abuse and his reticence about reporting on it became a matter of public record.
This past summer, Hersh released his memoirs. He includes the Nixon story and the Nieman Fellows event, framing it, apologetically, as an example of his “ignorance”: “I did not think it [Nixon’s abuse] was a crime.” In subsequent televised interviews, however, Hersh appears frustrated that people keep asking about his being caught in this act of omission, stating repeatedly his regret that the Nieman event had been recorded. Hersh seems equally impatient at himself, for not believing the story was relevant in 1974, and at the people who shared the story after 1998, believing it was.
Roger Stone did not ask black guys to bang his wife. He did advertise for “exceptional muscular well-hung single men” to join him in three-ways with his wife (who seemed an enthusiastic participant). The National Enquirer’s exposé on the Stones’ swinging marriage lost Roger his role as Bob Dole’s political consultant during the ’96 presidential campaign. The humiliation appears to have been galvanizing for Stone, who transformed himself into a defiantly flamboyant agent provocateur, rat-fucking on more subterranean levels of the Republican party politic. Stone performs his public self as such an unapologetically sleazy bon vivant (he refers to himself as a “try-sexual” because he’ll “try anything”) it’s easy to make him the target of the joke.
No.1799295
>>1799276Idk anon I would ask why your mind woul go to 'girls'…
No.1799319
>>1799295In modern English, "girl" is often is often used to refer to young adult women, not just children.
No.1799419
>explanation for the right wing obsession with sex
I recommend "Fascinating Fascism" by Susan Sontag and when you finish that one, Male Fantasies by Klaus Theweleit. Right wing ideology is sexual at a fundamental, subliminal level. Whereas socialism is, as your quote says, rather boring and tame with regards to sex.
No.1811723
>>1751299>What is the actual materialist explanation>materialismThere's your problem. Materialism is insufficient to account for reality.
>>1751316 &
>>1751359Reducing it to some freudian breakdown of RWers' psyches is super lazy. You really think the vast majority of conservatively-minded people, like entire townships in certain parts of the US, where everyone strictly shares the same sexual morality, is full of nothing more than projecting perverts?
No.1812559
>Does porky get some sort of benefit from everyone being a heterosexual monogamous who goes to church once a week?first of all:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructurematerial base always takes precedence over superstructure, material base shapes the spiritual domain never the other way around like gullible idiots falling for idpolitics would like u to believe, culture helps maintain the base but it is unable to shape erect its foundations
back in the day when mobility was restricted and scarce and one could not import workers just like that the bourgeois in order to secure a flow of surplus value had to maintain stable numbers of toilers (2 children were typically enough to keep up with the replacement rate that's why the ideal family consisted of wife man + 2 children) - meaning they had to pay substantial sums of money to the worker so that he could raise the toilers of tomorrow (sustain his family) as u can imagine investing in someone who preferred sex with men and hedonistic pleasures was out of question
a good example is Henry Ford's approach - he sent inspections to his workers checking whether they 'carried themselves with dignity' - no drunkards, vagabonds, gays, devout christians were preferred, if u failed to meet expectations you could be sure that your paycheck would have been cut in half or you'd have got kicked out
any oldschool capitalist seeing 'his money' invested in gay orgies that could end in dangerous diseases decimating communities (his toilers) would scream in agony, class awareness among capitalists is much greater than among workers they recognise common interests easily and keep control of institutions that bolster their class interests
nowadays the situation is much different - importing people isn't particularly difficult, standardisation of education has gone a long way, division of labour makes it laughably easy to teach a worker the local language on top of that there's an ongoing automation that literally is about to make workers obsolete (therefore u hear all the babble about UBI)
conservative retards are just that they're idiots they don't realise the times have changed, the old days are long gone, they cling to outdated ideas that made sense 150 years ago, they vote for ridiculous cretins that prey on their idiocy like trump they tell them how 'religious' they're just like them in spite of fucking prostitutes and being unable to quote a single passage from the bible
notice how every country the conservatives regard as based is an awful backwater where capitalist relations haven't yet developed fully
No.1812643
>>1751323>>1751321<very specific list of goods only/mostly families want and also can affordwell is the market for diapers, cradles, daycare, etc. that huge?
No.1812737
Its all a giant cope for not being able to breed
No.1812850
>>1751307One simple thing is that they want a monopoly on orgies.
Only the rich in their fancy yachts and billion dollar mansions should have orgies. the population is merely the seeds to pick their victims on harvest.
No.1812861
>>1799078disregarding the pedo allegation,
>command your desire!YES SIR! THAT'S HOW IT WORKS!
No.1816742
>its another "shitting on the rightwingers that live rent free in my head" thread
>theyre still calling them prudes/sexual deviants
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