No.1766542
God's dead baby
God's dead
No.1766543
>>1766542And then you attempted to create a new heaven and god which is just as unreal as the last.
No.1766545
>>1766543This isn't even a real criticism.
It is better to have ambition than to have no ambition. Even stupid people understand this.
No.1766547
>>1766545It is better to have no ambition for something infeasible than to have ambition for it.
No.1766548
>>1766547It's not infeasible.
No.1766549
Marx never said communism is inevitable.
No.1766567
>>1766541>Marxists and other leftists are ultimately idealists because they have unrealistic aspirations that contradict how this world works on a material basis.Prove this.
>Marxists like to believe that their predictions are founded on dispassionate analysis that foretells how history is inevitably going to unfold, that capitalism's contradictions will bring about a revolution for worker's to seize the means of production, but in actuality Marxism at its root is founded on wishful thinking.Give concrete examples of this from Marxists.
>The origin of your analysis is your dislike of your circumstances, not a desire for truth.It's both.
>You then formulated a prophecy to ameliorate your distress.Where is this prophecy?
>Your analysis is merely a post-hoc rationalization (cope) for an endresult that you've selected beforehand. Your conclusions are strongly biased by that.You are the one who is coping. Your analysis of Marxism is merely a post-hoc rationalization (cope) for an endresult that you've selected beforehand.
>>1766543>>1766545>>1766548>>1766549>And then you attempted to create a new heaven and god which is just as unreal as the last.Communism was inevitable in China. Communism is inevitable. Communism is implemented in China.
No.1766620
>>1766541Yes you have reached same conclusion that I have reached. I tried to confront many marxists on it but they never engage in good faith. Also I have tried to engage this place with many such posts only to get myself banned many times lol. Marxism is just like the theology and then they call theology "idealism".
But I think sooner or later a lot of people who engaged with left in the best years of their lives will reach this conclusion, those who were honest in it.
No.1766621
>>1766541Would love to have more discussion with you if you are available anywhere else such as matrix, irc, fbi.gov etc. You have reached exactly the same conclusion as I have reached.
No.1766719
>>1766646Good thing you posted Pol Pot so the retardedness of your post has something that visually goes hand in hand with it.
No.1766723
>>1766541>The origin of your analysis is your dislike of your circumstances, not a desire for truth.Look in the mirror
No.1766724
>>1766541then point out where the analysis is wrong and how
No.1766747
>>1766719Pol Pot did nothing wrong. Even Chomsky defended Pol Pot from retarded Western slanders. That's how stupid political discourse has become where even Noam "Vote Democrat" Chomsky is to the left of "socialists".
No.1766770
>>1766747Chomsky defending Pol Pot was one of the most embarrassing public cases of sunk cost fallacy.
No.1766796
Your post is very vague OP. If you think that capitalism is eternal, you are a projecting Idealist. But I would agree with you, if you were trying to say that non socialist post capitalism is a serious possibility.
No.1766807
>>1766620Same. Religion is the final redpill.
When I started reading religious scripture I was pretty shocked out how nihilistic it is. Christianity and Islam pretty much say this world is a worthless transient shithole not to focus too much about it.
No.1766809
>>1766807pretty sure that karl guy said something pertaining to this
No.1766813
>>1766809Like OP said, Marxism in the end is just another ideology to fill people's god hole. Look at how uyghas in the thread are reacting to these claims. Almost with the same religious fervour and zeal you would find in a church.
I hate to break it to you chief. There's never gonna be communism. Capitalism will die but there's no guarantee it will be replaced by something better. As long as resources are scarce violence will persist.
No.1766817
>>1766770Chomsky and his friends definitely proved that there was no genocide which is common sense because a country being bombed to bits by the United States Air Force having trouble securing a consistent food supply is simple cause and effect.
The only reason the myth is kept alive is because the Vietnamese wanted a moral justification for interfering in another nation.
No.1766818
>>1766813Resource scarcity is a fucking myth
No.1766819
>>1766813damn, sounds like a you problem
No.1766821
>>1766819It's an all of us problem. You found meaning in your life in a political cause. I stopped believing in it causes to begin with and now I have to look for something else to believe in
No.1766822
>>1766813>Resource scarcitya fucking myth stop believing in bullshit it's not good for your health
>>1766820They're doing that because agriculture is expensive and if they can trick everyone into eating shittier and easier to manufacture food it's good for their profit margins. Also they're sanctioning a lot of countries that provide input for fertilizers like Russia and Belarus so the costs are increasing for normal food.
No.1766827
>>1766822Americans are consuming 5x earth ecological capacity
No.1766840
>>1766827MISDIRECTION. Ever notice that they always use America as an example of "first world living standards"? Everyone knows America is horribly inefficient and even renewable energy are disdained on a political rather than rational level. For example by the same metric you use we only need 2.8x Earth's ecological capacity if everyone lived like a Frenchman, and France is hardly on the cutting edge. Is a 2x or 3x efficiency factor achievable? Yes it's been accomplished hundreds of times in history.
The ecological argument is absolute bullshit.
No.1766842
>>1766796>But I would agree with you, if you were trying to say that non socialist post capitalism is a serious possibility.Yeah, that's what I meant.
No.1803223
Idealism is the belief that the nature of the world is consciousness; consciousness precedes matter; consciousness decides matter.
Materialism is the belief that the nature of the world is matter; that matter comes first; and that matter determines consciousness
So your criticism isn't even framed properly within the terms. You need to learn what Marxism is first before you attempt to comment on it.
>https://canadianinstituteofeconomics.wordpress.com/the-basic-principles-of-marxism-leninism/part-1-dialectical-materialism/materialism-and-dialectical-materialism-3/ No.1803303
>Marxists and other leftists are ultimately idealists
stopped reading here; words have meaning, imbecile
No.1803361
>>1803223You do realize words can have more than one meaning, right?
No.1803411
>>1766620>Marxism is just like the theology and then they call theology "idealism". >Z flagLet me guess. Trad Orthodox Christianity and Duginism are not idealism? Jordan B Peterson of the East type bullshit.
>>1766807>Christianity and Islam pretty much say this world is a worthless transient shithole not to focus too much about it.yeah it's perfect for preventing action from the downtrodden classes. It's a consolation prize. Keep your head down and lick boot and you'll have treasures in heaven. But if you become powerful (like the clergy or the king) you'll roast in hell. It's a huge cope. Not nihilistic at all. Clearly a narrative that serves power once you realize that death is death and the living wish to rule over other living beings.
No.1803455
>Marxists like to believe that their predictions are founded on dispassionate analysis that foretells how history is inevitably going to unfold, that capitalism's contradictions will bring about a revolution for worker's to seize the means of production
you didn't read the book, I can tell
No.1803884
>>1766822>>Resource scarcity>a fucking myth stop believing in bullshit it's not good for your healthit's fucking mindboggling that people believe the earth is not finite in size. shit's dumber than being a flat earther.
No.1803911
>>1766620>Z poster>ex-marxist anti-communistyou people are on track to being the new larouchites
No.1803917
>>1803884Scarcity => Finitude
Finitude =/> Scarcity
No.1813560
Hermeneutic as conspiracy nonsense. It is retarded when the Left does it, even more retarded when rightoids do it.
No.1813566
>>1803911I am not anti-anything lol, I wish you "communists" and "marxists" best of luck. I would be the first person to greet you on the day revolution will finally happen lol. I just happen to know that it won't happen that's all and marxism is nothing more than the B-team of Bourgeoisie.
No.1813568
>>1803411It must be right bro if you have said it.
No.1813569
>>1813566There was already a wave of communist revolutions in the 20th century, lmao. They just failed to export it to other countries so their dictatorships of the proletariat devolved into plain capitalism. There's no reason it can't happen again.
No.1813572
>>1813569Yeah life is easy if one is a total stupid, I can understand your world.
No.1830485
>>1766541>Marxists and other leftists are ultimately idealists because they have unrealistic aspirations that contradict how this world works on a material basis. Marxists like to believe that their predictions are founded on dispassionate analysis that foretells how history is inevitably going to unfoldholy fuck this bait is retarded
No.1830511
>people still bumping my old ass bait
By the way, when you say it‘s bad bait but reply then you still took it.
No.1830512
>>1830505
We do not tolerate intolerance
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