No.1785273
When creating propaganda, one of the most important parts is having a target audience, knowing what interests them, and having an intended effect you want the propaganda to have on them. What action should they take, and how are you convincing them to take it, or move towards taking it (e.g. a more educational propaganda might aim at exposing an idea to people, rather than agitating them or explaining how action can be taken).
Another point is that many people are sympathetic, but don't understand where to go forward, how to get involved in more meaningful actions than seemingly-pointless and impotent protests in a park, but also not getting arrested and being on bail conditions. The midground, like blocking commerce and direct protests. The kind of thing you can get hundreds of people to do.
>Thoughts on this one?
Extremely vague call to action, even in the most optimistic case will only encourage lone wolf PotD tactics which are not effective. No direction to organize with an actual organization.
Cryptic tarots are cryptic. What were you trying to achieve with this imagery? A mere death theme?
Cryptic slogan - which genocide? Ohhh the Palestinian genocide!! This may be less obvious to your audience than you think. How do people profit from genocide? Most people don't know about Israeli ties to university engineering programs, auctioning of land, how Israel serves Western imperial interests, etc., they think your country is a third-party.
Can this be read from a distance? Can the parts discernible from a distance make people want to read the details?
There's some nice effort in the graphics work, and I appreciate that. It just feels like it's designed for a punk concert to get a vague anti-system vibe going.
No.1785274
>>1785273 *
That said, the simplicity and bluntness adds power. You don't want words words words, or at least restrict it to a special close-up section, and you've done that very well.
No.1785545
>>1785259>>1785273This shit’s ass my uygha it looks like it was made by a retarded high school student with downs syndrome
>these people have names and addresses oooh spooooky. dumb uygha. what are you gonna do with le names and addresses?
propaganda needs to be genuine, this is just pretending to be violent for its own sake and it’s shitty idpol to boot. random workers dont give a shit about palestine or whatever this dogwater is referencing, they care about their own lives
No.1786428
>>1786359>>1786257He's right though, this is terrible. It's completely illegible. And who exactly is it meant to appeal to?
No.1786453
>>1785545>random workers dont give a shit about palestineThey do where I live. I've had conversations at work about it, and at protests random strangers show support. Does help that my country had a strong lebanese/etc. immigration wave a few decades ago.
No.1786493
>>1785273>even in the most optimistic case will only encourage lone wolf PotD tacticsWho the fuck will look at this piece of shit and think to themselves 'OH MAN IM GONNA DO SOME LEFTIST PRAXIS'???
>There's some nice effort in the graphics work, and I appreciate that.Give OP a magnet to hang that shit on the fridge, not on the streets holy shit.
No.1787109
>>1786700Yeah that's too far fetched to be even in the most optimistic scenario.
No.1787114
>>1786516Kinda meh. The right wingers make fun of lefty memes for being wordy and not catchy, but most of those make you think at all.
No.1787120
>>1787114And I'm definitely not antiantifa. I appreciate what they're doing if it has any effect, but their agenda is so limited.
>I'm antinazi, smash the fash, good night alt rightok you get rid of them, now what?
>I guess we disband. No.1787124
>>1787114>Kinda mehChoice-wise consider that the video is from 2018-17 when most of those memes were relevant.
On graphic design they look as good as they can for modern times.
No.1787125
>>1787120>I'm antinazi, smash the fash, good night alt right<ok you get rid of them, now what?>I guess we disband.Explain to me why you think this is a bad thing, or ineffective?
No.1787129
>>1787120>but their agenda is so limited. To you maybe. But to many it gives us hope that there's still antifascists.
<I'm antinazi, smash the fash, good night alt right>ok you get rid of them, now what?<I guess we disbandAnon are you mentally handicapped? This does not get rid of fascism. This challanges it. For every rightoid piece they put up which gives them a hard on, nothing pisses them off to see that theres people to oppose them.
Think of it like a turf war, except we're the gangs tagging up their shit.
No.1787135
>>1787129>This does not get rid of fascism.No, but it gets rid of fascists aspirations of street organising and leading to them having less organised presence in working class areas.
No.1787149
>>1787135That's the point. It opposes them.
>gets rid of fascists aspirationsYes it influences the masses. Though it can go both ways. It can either influence them to hate antifascism or be an antifascist. Hence the importance of making good propaganda.
I'm from a place overrun with swastikas spraypainted onto nearly every street alongside stickers. This is the result of what a lack of antifascism does. Those things influence the newgens here who find it cool and grow up to become part of the problem.
No.1787275
>>1787149>I'm from a place overrun with swastikas spraypainted onto nearly every street alongside stickers.Lol. I guess that's a signifcant difference. Never seen a swastika in the wild besides etchings which were clearly made because someone wanted to do something offensive and simple to cave.
No.1787482
>>1787336This sucks because it's all retarded bourgeois trans-nationalist reactionary nostalgia for places that were mostly shitholes, and most definitely not socialist.
>>1787143This is funny
>>1786516This is good but anti-fascism is a bourgeois dead-end that can easily be hijacked by interclassism because it singles out fascism as the worst of all capitalisms instead of another head of the hydra
>>1786486shit
No.1787484
>>1787482Also take this shit to /draw/ nobody cares
No.1787507
>>1787120You have to recognize the antifa movement as a broad big-tent opposition to fascism, just like the pro-Palestine movement. It will have liberals. It sometimes even has certain conservative liberals! It's a collaborative community venture, you do other shit with other orgs rather than risk fracturing a more powerful antifascist movement. And sure, you can use the antifa movement to recruit for other causes and for further radicalization.
vid semirelated-ish, skip to 23:40
No.1787525
>>1787507That video is just makes antifa look even more like a crude joke.
Have some self respect and wear a suit.
Or at least don't do a photoshoot posing like the avengers. That shit is wack.
A laughing stock for reactionaries to poke fun at.
No.1787533
>>1787525And I know I'm correct about this, because it happened. Why do you think the comments on that video are disabled? I watched it back when they were enabled and youtube had dislikes. Literally all comments were literally calling them clowns and the like to dislike ratio was almost 1-100.
No.1787540
>>1787507>You have to recognize the antifa movement as a broad big-tent opposition to fascism, just like the pro-Palestine movementThsts not true at all.
Antifa is all about physical confrontation with fascist attempts at organising on the streets. We have no intention of doing organising under the banner, let alone big tent and with liberals and etc.
Stop lying to people like a faggot.
No.1787543
>>1787525Wear a suit.
In the middle of nowhere, Cletusville.
Are you actually this far out of touch?
No.1787545
>>1787543You should always wear a suit. Even in the middle of a warzone.
No.1787551
>>1787540Please continue telling me that my on-the-ground experience is a lie.
>Antifa is all about physical confrontationNo, it is not. Antifa orgs aren't idiots. Physical confrontation is necessary but merely one tactic, a last resort.
You think they wait for neo-Nazi scum to get the courage to march, attack the Nazis, go home and then wait some more? Please participate in the movement and understand how much more involved it is, and how antifascists work to prevent Nazis from being able to reach the platform. People on the ground don't care about your purity fetish.
Pamphlet attached is decent and, despite being from orgs in another country, supports what I've said.
No.1787562
>>1787540>we have no intention ofAre you the general secretary of antifa?
No.1787578
>>1787552>shit works, son. you'll understand when you're an adultYou're a retard I'm an adult and I've done this work the three decades of my adult life.
Try to make your local antifa to be a big tent activism thing, fine, it's not going to work 1 and 2 there's no reason to its a retarded idea.
Don't however claim your shit idea has any bases in actual reality.
No.1787600
>im reel antifa, u faggot retard jewish nigger!
yep, sure, we believe you, uh huh, sure
No.1787916
Propaganda doesn’t mean shit. You shouldn’t be trying to find communists, you should be focusing on the material demands of the worker. Whatever a bunch of nerds who are alleged marxists offers doesn’t mean shit if the working class by and large isn’t buying it.
No.1788377
>>1787916>Whatever a bunch of nerds who are alleged marxists the people who are right offers doesn’t mean shit if the working class by and large isn’t buying it has been indoctrinated to ignore it.brainlet take that upholds false consciousness
No.1796131
>>1787916im just making shit i think looks cool dog, some get made into stickers, some dont
"they can't all be zingers" - primus
No.1796139
>>1787507>Wristcel squatting in the frontThat shit is embarrassing lmao. Atleast tankies like Jackson Hinkle understand the importance of looking alpha and presentable.
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