No.1789214
Materialist explanation for Homeowners Associations being so shit?
HOAs are usually collectively managed, right? With elected officers and shit? Why do they have the reputation for being micromanaging psychos measuring the length of your grass and whatnot? Is this a problem that socialist communes and the like suffer?
Why do HOAs seem more reactionary than non HOA neighborhoods if it's allegedly a more progressive organization of ownership (collective vs individual)?
examples of what I'm talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrizmAo17Os No.1789215
Council coms, collectivists, and all them chumpdems can cope how they'd like, straight up the answer is that democracy is just fascism of the many, for it it to be true socialism some level of production freedom outside the obvious safety laws and OSHA stuff needs to be allowed. Likewise in HOA associations, it's basically just democratic boomer fascism. I have often said collective systems of socialism are going to be more prone to collapse than state capitalism or hardcore communalism because of this.
No.1789231
Kibbutzim are much better managed and they are a model for future socialist housing organization.
No.1789279
Never been in one, country doesn't have them, but one obvious factor is that it's easy power for people who have the time and/or drive to be a bureaucrap. Easy to abuse.
>Why do HOAs seem more reactionary than non HOA neighborhoods
idk, being purpose-built high-end planned suburbia for rich proles and poor boogies.
>Is this a problem that socialist communes and the like suffer?
I can't speak to that, and their issues might even be something some socialist orgs suffer from. But I do recall one of the FEC intentional anarchist communities saying they had a slight racism problem. I forget the details and gotta go fast, would appreciate a spot.
No.1789282
>>1789215>is that democracy is just fascism of the many,Holy shit comrade, I get what you're trying to say but that's not what those words mean. Almost exactly like saying 'asking for gender equality in wages is the socialism of capitalism'.
No.1789284
>>1789279Oh that's funny. My fetish is torturing people with bureaucratic procedures.
My primal fear is getting caught in a Kafkaesque death trap.
No.1789287
>>1789214Burger shit.
Stay in burger containment.
No.1789293
>>1789284Chinese water torture is the best thing to come out of eastern philosophy
The best from the western world is the brazen bull
No.1789294
The materialist explanation is that HOA‘s may be a body of collective/democratic say, but they still exist in a larger social context, that of capitalism. The ideals of society are those of the ruling class and people aspire to live up to bourgeois ideals, so HOA are used to prop up a self-image of a higher socio-economic status at the cost of human decency, because the former is more important to many people.
No.1789297
>>1789214>HOAs are usually collectively managed, right? With elected officers and shit?I'm not super familiar with the subject but I was under the impression that most HOAs these days are basically imposed by local governments onto new housing developments in order to foist the upkeep costs for things like roads and sidewalks onto them, rather than any sort of active attempt to organize. As a result, most people who belong to them don't actually do so by choice and don't really get involved with them, while wannabe petty tyrants and control freaks are more likely to seize on the opportunity to wield power over their neighbors.
No.1789301
They're associations of petit bourgeois curtain twitching cretins, not proletarian Soviets.
No.1789303
>>1789297>imposed by local governments onto new housing developments in order to foist the upkeep costs for things like roads and sidewalks onto them, rather than any sort of active attempt to organizeThis is pretty much what my HOA is. They're a management company and our fees go towards them and they maintain the common areas. They don't really do much outside of that.
No.1789333
>>1789297Which makes sense, because most subdivisions are designed so the recreational amenities and stuff like drainage infrastructure only benefit the residents, not the general public. The government provides stuff like water and trash service, but cleaning up the private playground and stormwater ponds is on you.
No.1789529
>>1789214>why are unions of property owners obsessed with property values… there must be some mistake! they're unions! they can't be reactionary, right fellas?wrong. HOAs are reactionary unions, so they behave like reactionaries. they aren't shit. they do what they're supposed to do, and they do it well.
No.1789579
>Materialist explanation for Homeowners Associations being so shit?
All homeowners are bourgeois
No.1789581
HOAs is AES
No.1789649
>>1789581Actual existing stalinism
No.1789713
>>1789649>stalinism is anything I don't likeExplains much
No.1789771
>what is class
No.1789775
If you're rich enough to live in some suburbiaville with a HOA you deserve all the 1984 shit they do to you, lmao.
No.1789783
>>1789214Homeowners associations are essentially cartels. the shitty behavior you describe is just internal policing to maintain the anti competitive behavior.
No.1789930
>>1789579>you MUST pay a landleech rent otherwise, you're no true proletariatlandleech spotted
No.1789945
>>1789214It is a duty with no reward or authority. In my experience people rarely want to do their part of the job, and when they do, they are finding the incentive in some sort of hustle at the expense of the collective.
At the end of the day one is still living in radical individualism which, even if willing to do the job, makes the members adverse to collective bargaining. So issues like the pettiest of disputes between neighbours thrive, while organizing things in common, such as maintaining the commons, is like herding cats. Much less facing a common enemy like litigating in the name of the community.
No.1789962
property values
No.1790533
Dunno that's probably an AmeriKKKan problem.
No.1790536
are these threads just bait or are people actually this dumb
No.1790541
>>1789294More specifically they tend to be dominated by an obsessive compulsion with keeping property values high. This in turn requires suppression of all the things that make a house less desirable according to psychotic petty bourgeois standards. This includes everything from an unkempt lawn to the wrong colour siding to being a minority.
No.1790554
>>1789214>A collective group of similar people look funny at outsidersWait till you learn what the average union man thought about black people under Nixon…
No.1790573
Shucks OP. You found the one thing that has no materialist explanation.
Amerikkkans are just genetically authoritarian, and these these reactionary little burbclaves emerge as part of their innate ethology.
No.1808234
>>1789214Home OWNERS Association. Make the connection there. Your liberal tactic of trying to relate it to communism because they call themselves an association makes no sense because the idea of a HOA is firmly rooted in capitalism. The function of a HOA is for a bunch of boomers to get together and ban shit in order to (what they believe will) raise the value of their property by doing all sorts of capitalist nonsense like mandating using imported grass in your lawn which is awful for the environment or banning walking.
No.1808250
>>1808234Did you really bumb this thread from oblivion just so you can say obvious things to fell smart.
Just use the sage function anon.
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