No.1792731
Chad pope
No.1792733
Me almost cristian
No.1792750
>Does he know he's gonna die soon or something?
Why would that be relevant? The Vatican is an absolute monarchy and popes rule for life. It's not like he has to worry about being popular with online tradcaths or some shit.
No.1792761
Does anything he says actually have an influence tho? I feel like he's been trying to cater to left-coded views because the Prots are great replacing caths everywhere so Vatican is getting scared and try anything to stop it.
I feel like he's throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.
No.1792767
These are literally all common views in the Latin American left.
No.1792769
>>1792730Most Catholics live in South America and other Global South countries.
No.1792770
>>1792761Studied in Cristian School in brasil. ALL of the pope positions were taught, except the ukraine part
No.1792771
I guess he’s more tolerable than the last pope.
No.1792823
I had fascistas friend in highschool, and they loved tô talk shit about the pope all the time, só that was a win
No.1792824
>>1792730Most Popes have gone "le capitalism is bad" and usually argue to a "Third Way". Doesn't mean that they are Communist or revolutionary.
No.1792825
>>1792813he's reaaally sick now, hopefully we dont get an uberkkkonservative pope but that's what is most likely to happen to be fair
No.1792826
>>1792824this pope has openly talked about collaborating with socialists and has met many socialists leaders, he's obviously not a revolutionary but he's still kino imo
No.1792842
He's good. People don't really understand the mediatic power of the church, he obviously won't lead an armed revolution but he's only one of the few people of the west who can say things like this and cannot be completely ignored. Also this is particulary relevant in catholic countries, and i don't talk about south america, but also in europe.
I hope this trend continues even with the next pope. I'd really like an african pope, one who spits in the face of gardenfags and starts talking pubicly about decolonization and imperialism.
No.1792854
>>1792843U.S. Catholics never listen to the vatican when the pope says things they don’t like.
No.1792858
>>1792843I don't know, maybe because the US is a schizophrenic cesspool of reactionaries.
No.1792860
>>1792843>USThere's your answer
No.1792864
>>1792855>Change capitalism for goodblasphemy! We are the house of God not a fucking
soup kitchen small business
No.1792874
>>1792730
>Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be perfect, go, sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven >it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.> Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common>He sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the crowd putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which are worth a penny. Then he called his disciples and said to them, "Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on.>Beware of the scribes, who like to walk around in long robes, and to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces, 39 and to have the best seats in the synagogues and places of honor at banquets! 40 They devour widows' houses and for the sake of appearance say long prayers. No.1792877
>>1792843my inlaws are a bunch of irish catholic americans. they may as well be prots. one of them watches ancient aliens and none of them are literate enough to read a bible on their own
No.1792900
he is autistic
No.1792906
To be honest, Pope Francis isn't saying anything that isn't already a part of Catholic economic thought, minus maybe the gays part. Historically, I would argue Religions found a role as economic regulators, whether by declaring debt jubilees, fixing prices, chastisting merchants, so on. I remember hearing a story about Imams in the Ottoman Empire, and if they uncover that a merchant is charging exorbitant prices, they would publicly chastise him and make him display Qur'anic verses on greed. Hell, even early protestants did something similar, be it through peasant revolts also price fixing (I believe some early colonists in New England publicly held trials for merchants trying to upcharge them and would confiscate their properties. Pretty much as soon as Capitalism came about, Catholicism started critiquing it, granted they argued for a kind of corporatism or distributism most of the time.
As for chastising American imperialism, I believe the father of Liberation Theology actually started as a conservative Catholic before seeing how fucking brutal Right Wing death squads were and how impoverished the people were. At his own funeral, CIA director William Casey (who worked under Reagan) was chastised by Bishop John McGann in front of Reagan himself for his role in Iran-Contra. Not to mention America (and the KKK) intervened in the Cristero war against the Catholic partisans.
No.1792942
"The men of the church, that is, those ministers or priests of various hierarchies and
denominations, represent a sector that has special ability to communicate with the
people, particularly workers, peasants, and Brazilian women. The priest who
is an urban guerrilla is a powerful ingredient in the Brazilian revolutionary war, and
constitute a powerful weapon against US military power and imperialism." Carlos Marighella, manual do guerrilheiro urbano
https://www.marxists.org/portugues/marighella/index.htm No.1792959
>>1792877>none of them are literate enough to read a bible on their ownThat's okay
, I mean it's not, but still… I'd expect no less as Catholics technically only have the bible (Septuagint) read to them. 99/100 Catholics who have read a bible have read the Prot one that's missing some gospels, Thomas for sure and I want to say Mary's too, but I can't remember offhand.
No.1793013
>>1792877>none of them are literate enough to read a bible on their ownthat's literally what catholicism is about
No.1793018
>>1793013Only atheists read the bible unironically
No.1793024
I read up to the bit in the bible where one of the apostles went on a business trip, and a bunch of grifters started an MLM scam, so the apostle had to return and tell them to knock that shit off.
No.1793038
>>1793018Some parts of it are awesome if you read it as poetry or fantasy
No.1793041
>>1793038If you are initiated into the occult you can actually read it how it is supposed to be read. What do you think the 12 tribes really mean?
No.1793052
>>1793041Wasn't there thirteen indotribes?
No.1793054
>>1793038Revelation is best read as the author getting abducted by aliens and getting shown a propaganda film of their historical conquests and political intrigues, but he doesn't understand shit because he's a bronze age primitive. Or just taking drugs.
No.1793060
>>1793054Its literally all just basic symbolism
It makes me laugh when christcuck slaves and gaytheists take that shit literally
Even engels decoded the beast with 7 heads as referring to rome's 7 hills and nero kaisar being 666
No.1793064
>>1792842Note the Pope has explicitly stated outright that the Church needs to come to terms with the abhorrent role it played in facilitating Western colonialism and much of the Holocaust
No.1793065
>>1793054>>1793060He's right
Revelation is a pretty on the nose political propaganda piece about the downfall of the Roman Empire and prevailing of Christians over Roman imperialism
There are many references to Rome and contemporary Roman politics at the time
No.1793068
>>1793052The 12 tribes are the 12 signs of the zodiac. Like the 12 disciples and the 12 gemstones on the high priest's breastplate that correspond to the 12 pathways and 12 foundations of heaven (the sky). The 4 beasts of heaven are just the fixed signs of the zodiac: aquarius (man), the bull (taurus), the lion (leo) and the eagle (scorpio). In revelation it says there are 24 thrones in heaven, which are clearly just the hours in the day.
It becomes common sense once you know.
No.1793073
>>1793065Its not just about muh politics though, its about the battle more broadly against spiritual rome, where the christian church is supposed to be spiritual israel, especially after rome sacked jerusalem. In the gospels jesus clearly divides rome against heaven in terms of its law, especially in regards to the forgiveness of debts.
No.1793101
There's an old anecdote about a CPC diplomat at the Vatican quipping with the Catholics about how similar they actually are, we have our propaganda department, you have your evangelicals, and so on. What is the difference? You are the Party of God, we are the Party of the Devil, to much laughter on both sides.
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On the other hand, think of the power if the Catholics go pink. The Catholic Church is the original Marxist-Leninist organization, employing strict discipline alongside ideological infiltration and subversion.
Frankly, the Catholic Left is worth working with for our ends. It's fucking 1.2 billion people, including a substantial segment of the Western population. We keep the Pope on side, imagine how much subversion and sabotage we can pull off while hiding under the banner of the cross.
No.1793128
>>1792843Most I’ve known are people who would vote Democrat if it weren’t for abortion
No.1793139
Latin American Catholics: Maybe we should give this food to poor people.
US Catholics: The roman catholic church from its origins is antisemitic. Leftists are jews so catholics are anti-leftists. Catholics like nick fuentes and mel gibson prove the point, so does the fact that the vatican supported der fuhrer, all while prots worship israel and allow women and gays to be pastors..
No.1793140
>>1792843See it depends if you’re talking converts or cradle Catholics. The joke being a guy who converts to the Catholic Church will be vehemently reactionary while a dude who is born in it will think “well we should just help the poor”
I’d say even some of the more reactionary Catholics, at the very least, aren’t libertarians. Like Matt Christman once said he could at least respect freaks like Ross Douthat for recognizing that Capital is the great dissolver of traditions. It really depends on how you see the fundamental role of the church—whether its job is to try to elevate people to a kind of communalist society, or impose a strict social hierarchy.
>>1793101I think it shouldn’t be limited to Catholicism, personally. Truth be told I think Islam can be a force for good, too. Hell maybe even the Mormons can get in on it. I think the religious impulse, at least how it manifests in actual church goers, can be a collective and progressive impulse
No.1793141
>>1793133
I am not a christcuck of any kind
I reject rabbi yeshuah
No.1793142
The most reactionary type of religion in latin america is kinda the evangelical churches tbh
No.1793146
>>1793142too much showmaking and corruption and supporting ultra right wingers, too litlle actually helping the poor
No.1793155
>>1793141You're still retarded. Also this is a materialist board you fucking faggot, go brag about your mad okkvlt skills in /pol/.
No.1793156
>>1793140Mormons are a cult. Catholics, Muslims, these can be worked with, but the Mormons are basically a Western new religion that is heavily right-wing.
We've just made the most progress with the Catholics, however, and they're organized and disciplined. When Francis kicks the bucket, hopefully there's another Leftcath in charge.
If you're stuck deep in evangelical territory, if you think you can get away with it, consider converting to Catholicism and larping as a Liberation Theologian. It's better cover than the socialist movements.
No.1793158
>>1793155You will never be a wizard (YWNBAW)
No.1793348
pope franzis
No.1793532
>>1793156Mormons seem to be similar to Catholics with how much they glow; any new socialist state should probably force a patriotic schism in any of these kind of churches
No.1793600
>>1792855Dengist Pope!
Dengist Pope!
No.1793883
>>1793532>Mormons […] glowI forget where I heard it, but apparently they're prime candidates for Three Letter Agency work - typically clean sheets (good for avoiding blackmail and bribery), dedication to ideals and 'murica, missionaries have language experience, lots of pros with Mormons.
No.1793890
>>1793883and they're all teetotalers, and on top of that the missionary work they do gives them an excuse to hop around countries that doesn't look suspicious. In the 60s I think a quarter of all CIA agents were mormons. They assassinated JFK probably. Stephanie Myer, the Mormon who wrote Twilight made Catholic Vs. Mormon vampires one of the side plots… telling on herself? Camelot vs. CIA?
No.1794089
>>1793890Entire point of supporting Catholics against Mormons. We have influence and control over Catholics. Mormons, on the other hand, are a hostile cult.
No.1794093
>>1794089 But doesn't Communism come from Protestantism?
No.1794103
>>1792769And Christians know where the wind is blowing, and are proficient in being parasites on power.
No.1794108
>>1794103I’d rather sacrifice half the leftist movements in South America to leftcath in order to feed the latter to do subversion in the Global Core.
Put another way, supporting leftcaths gives us a threat on incompetent left movements in Latin America. You either deliver the results we need, that is to say, powerful and effective socialist countries, or we feed you to the leftcaths.
No.1794321
>>1794113Naw, we just go back to 2008 thinking, before the great hysteria. It's what the LGBT I know irl want too.
No.1794362
>>1794321I don't trust Christians not to fuck them over.
No.1794570
>>1794334>how did it stop?Prots got soft. In November Biden will announce the cancellation of the election and officially turn the America over to his Holiness the Pope. Following this the Inquisition will give all pr*testants a chance to recant their blasphemous views or be burned as heretics. Deus vult.
No.1809288
>>1792959Thomas and Mary are not in the catholic bible either, im pretty sure those are gnostic gospels.
No.1809302
>>1809291oh hey i liked that series, the ending was cute, i guess you prolly were the one who posted it on here
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