No.1794518
I can't imagine they actively want a nuclear apocalypse, if they did they would've started it right after the 2014 coup in Ukraine
No.1794525
>>1794517>le inscrutable asiatics don't have checks and balances like our glorious deep-stateThe people you have such confidence in are not behaving like the adults in the room. Madman theory reigns in the west.
No.1794527
>>1794517Putin seems to me like a relatively rational man, a lot moreso than the average American president, I seriously doubt he intends to initiate MAD.
No.1794530
>how do you do fellow communists? Putin is a savage Asiatic tankie who’s going to take our freedoms, wouldn’t you agree?
No.1794531
>>1794517Opposing the anti-imperialist use of nuclear weapons is such a shit position. If Putin decides that atomic war is the best course of action, then who are you to decide otherwise?
No.1794535
>>1794531Begone foul zigger
No.1794536
Nukes launched by America: 2
Nukes launched by Russia: 0
That's really all you need.
Why would you think that the 'deep-state' would stop the nukes? You understand that the inception of the modern American deep state starts with the Manhattan project itself, yes?
No.1794537
>>1794517The official military strategy of the Russian Federation, published in December 2014, states that the Russian
Federation “shall reserve for itself the right to employ nuclear weapons in response to the use against it
and/or its allies of nuclear and other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, as well as in the case of
aggression against the Russian Federation with use of conventional weapons when the state’s very existence
has been threatened.”
https://www.upr-info.org/sites/default/files/country-document/2024-01/JS4_UPR44_RUS_E_Main.pdf No.1794539
>>1794536>You understand that the inception of the modern American deep state starts with the Manhattan project itself, yes?Nah it starts with the founding of the FBI, the Manhattan project and OSS were it's coming of age
No.1794549
>>1794532don't ever accuse me of flagposting when you see opinions you don't like
No.1794584
>>1794536This. During the Cuban missile crisis the Pentagon had essentially already assumed that a war was unavoidable and was fully ready to go through with it. You had top ranking generals saying insane shit like "If at the end of a nuclear exchange there are two Americans left alive but only one Russian then we will have won," but Kennedy and his brother were having none of it. The adults in that room weren't the deep state Pentagon brass and glowies, they were the elected politicians.
No.1794592
>>1794584They also wanted to nuke Vietnam.
No.1794601
>>1794517Lmao
All you need to know is that Ukrainian/Western (there is no difference at this point) media retards are unironically sharing this video as a peremoga. They genuinely think that Putin won't even retaliate. I don't know if this sentiment is shared by western military command, but it shows that Putin isn't exactly the dangerous one.
No.1794602
>>1794517>I know states don't operate off the "le great leader can do what he wants" model.While I don't exactly have intimate knowledge of Russia's nuclear weapons protocol, it's not just Putin who decides to use nukes. There are many more people and not just the minister of defense and chief of the general staff.
>The question is: how robust is the Russian ruling class when it comes to preventing nuclear war?Well they're clearly not losing right now so there are no incentives to use them. The only reason to use nuclear weapons is to kill a lot of people or to show resolve to do so.
No.1794603
Western media has been cumming themselves over the thought of nuclear holocaust ever since SMO started.
No.1794614
>>1794610True, but in Russia no one is saying that it's not suicide. Even though anti-air is working and showing how good it is every day, people still don't say that the west won't retaliate or that they will keep living afterwards.
No.1794618
>>1794610You watch первый канал like 10x as much as I do and I live here
No.1794630
>>1794618Which is why I specified security-focused elites (addendum: who have T.V. shows) and not ordinary people. I don't watch cable talk show "news" in my country either, and there's little good that can come from watching it.
>>1794614Nobody is saying it's not suicide, but to me it looks like Russian elites demonstrating suicidal behavior. I think Putin said something about Russians going to heaven after the nuclear apocalypse, which recalls the old joke that Russian sinners end up back in Russia after they die. I'm not blaming them though, because I am of the West. I am blaming what I belong to. Western policy towards Russia and treating Russia with nothing other than xenophobia and indifference achieves a lot in driving Russia towards being this extremely psychotic post-genocide European nation artificially alienated from Europe that it is.
No.1794633
>>1794630>I think Putin said something about Russians going to heaven after the nuclear apocalypse, which recalls the old joke that Russian sinners end up back in Russia after they die.That was specifically in the context of "we will never launch a first strike, so if the West starts a nuclear apocalypse they are going to hell, and we as martyrs will go to heaven"
No.1794640
>>1794610>nuke Britain>the landmass itself disappears Based
No.1794648
>>1794517Why would you make another thread about this instead of bumping and posting to the Posadas and Nukes thread
>>1736123 ??? You reactionary shitlib saboteur, fuck you.
No.1794687
>>1794683>One doesn't need to be a prophet to figure out that unhinged BS like this will end in a clusterfuck.But the clusterfuck is the west than Russia.Russia is not being suicidal by pointing out the insanity of westerners and theirbleadership.Russia has a no-first use policy and Putin is simply saying that the West would be the one to strike first and be the Great Satan that the world knows it is.
No.1794984
>>1794601Not Pictured:
Everyone else launching everything they have, nuclear or not at pre-designated targets, completely blind to petty concepts such as who is attacking who, or whose side of last week's diplomacy spectacle they took. Once *anyone* launches a nuclear attack, *everyone else* has minutes to seconds to get everything they have on the air and no time, and probably no technical way either,to decide if there is an attack coming for them or not *with certainty*.
Are you going to be caught with your nukes on the ground once you can certify some of the warheads are heading your way? What about long range weapons flying over your territory, particularly cruise missiles with non-ballistic trajectories? Can you know some of those won't take a stop on your stuff?
No.1795096
>>1794517>I trust the US security state to remain clear-headedSorry anon do you mean the constantly feuding cliques of delusional, often hyper-religious reactionaries who compete to feed lies to the US and its officials in order to push various financial interests in the global south
You trust them more than the KGB to "stop muh dictator president from dropping nuked"
Dear god anon, read The Destruction of Reason before I have an aneurysm
No.1795101
>>1795096normal people:
>omg did you hear the US has a plan to steal Pakistan's nukes and they're openly printing articles about their doubts on the security situationop:
<holy shit, what if 100% hitler gets elected instead of 99% hitler and the 99% SS can't stop him from Acting Erratically No.1795108
honestly even if my country were getting nuked I wouldn't launch anything because the damage is already going to be so great that whoever did it will be dead anyway. let them die knowing it was their own fault.
No.1795811
They only even have those nukes to try and stop the US from nuking any more civilian population centers than it already has. I like to believe that there isn't another nation as evil as America–maybe that's wishful thinking. But the historical fact remains that the Soviets defeated Japan, won WWII, and Japan had already surrendered to them when the US nuked them; it was explicitly a message of intimidation to the Soviets, meant to define the post-war order. I don't believe this degree of demonic influence has been seen on Earth anywhere else besides potentially Israel. Unless there's been some uptick in demonic activity in Russia, I don't think they'll be joining the American cult of death-worship anytime soon.
No.1796208
>>1795811>They only even have those nukes to try and stop the US from nuking any more civilian population centers than it already has.Yes, obviously. OP has got to be pretty addicted to the propaganda to be more afraid of other countries "losing control of their nukes to an internal fifth column or rogue head of state", than the imperial ruling class (high on cocaine) thinking they have infinite money and can do anything, actively pushing towards other countries' nuclear red lines just to make sure we can't get in a freebie.
If anything OP realize you're reciting a reason for the US to justify toppling other foreign nations, because they can't be trusted with WMDs. It's all so tiresome.
No.1796212
The Russian state couldn't start a nuclear war against NATO and survive the next 24 hours. NATO simply consists of more relevant targets than Russia. It's simple math. The 'West' will continue to exist in some form, but Russia won't and I am pretty sure they are aware of this.
No.1796219
>>1796212They have more missiles too. It's called _Mutual_ Assured Destruction for a reason.
No.1796279
>>1796212Nobody is going to survive an attack of that scale.
No.1796550
>>1796212You literally have MacArthur brain you believe in the clash of civilizations. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Please try to understand why wars actually occur.
No.1796606
>>1796212>nuclear war against NATO >limited nuclear war Everybody is getting nuked and bunker busted and whatever else.
Even assuming that the extremely rich and powerful can somehow make their own feuds out of the minority of survivors. And that they'll be so well prepared as to survive the post-nuclear holocaust without social upheaval, that still seems like a big downgrade. And and it would probably be an uphill battle to somehow reestablish the capitalist relations that shaped the world before the nukes.
So launching the nukes is no solution to the problems of globalized capitalism, more like a spiteful last ditch shot at omnicide. Which I can't picture helping the perception that more capitalism is the path forwards, either.
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