No.1798377
For the record the reason why I'm not putting this in the USApol general is because I feel like what's talked about here can be applied to any major city that thrives on gambling, nightlife, and the general idea of "vice".
Las Vegas, for those that are unfamiliar with it, is one of the most popular tourist destinations in the world or good reason. With larger than life resorts, oversized casinos, drinks and gambling all abound, and of course crippling poverty and gaudy stark concrete the moment you look off the Vegas Strip. Gambling aside, there's a ridiculous amount of live shows, concerts, oddball museums, overpriced clubs, and most of all constant grifters. As in "the moment you step outside the resort you're going to have at least three people aggressively panhandle you within five minutes" type not seen outside LA. Also there's a giant emoji ball which stares at you in a vaguely menacing manner if you walk close enough.
So yeah, it's pretty much a microcosm of all that is wrong with capitalism, with the added bonus of its night life existing because of actual mafiosos. But there's also quite a lot of shit there, and more importantly a lot of people. So my question is this: if America underwent a communist revolution, be it by ballot or bullet and by whatever flavor of radical leftism you want, what would happen to Vegas? Would it still exist largely as it is today? How heavily would it need to be modified to be reintegrated as part of socialist society? Do we demolish it entirely and replace it with something else? Do we leave it to rot, as a monument to the failures of capitalism?
No.1798378
according to the majority of people on leftypol it would just turn into a granola factory or something.
No.1798384
why do you guys devote so much time of your life to speculate about the specific details of a classless stateless society instead of spending time trying to achieve it in the first place
No.1798398
>>1798384because it's fun to imagine, gawd lighten up
No.1798405
>>1798401yeah don't worry i can tell
No.1798441
FULL LUXURY COMMIE BLOCKS
No.1798447
>>1798377What happens to Phoenix? All of New Mexico/West Texas/Nevada/Arizona/Mojave California could be done away with.
Reverse question, what happens to the select few areas on Earth that are hospitable to human life under socialism? Obviously these places hold a premium under a free choice system. Better to be a plumber in Honolulu than Kansas City.
No.1798452
<abolition of the separation between town and city
No.1798453
>>1798398Feel free to make dogshit threads on siberia, not here.
No.1798455
Bulldoze Las Vegas and build means of production in its place. The free trade gambling and drug states of the periphery are the most rotten that America has to offer. California, Nevada, etc.
>>1798452The entire desert must be urbanized through revolutions in the means of production. All of earth must become one city, only then will communism be complete
No.1798464
Vegas is so overrated. If you don't gamble, the only cool things are the extravagant buffets and hooker trading cards they give out on the street. Let it rot.
No.1798465
>>1798456You are wrong. No land can be wasted in Scientific Sociaist Society. The productive forces must be maximized. Industrial production can take place in the desert, as it already does
No.1798473
>>1798472Yeah I wonder why the USSR had places indistinguishable from other capitalist states.
No.1798571
>>1798570that would be pretty cool, drop the food and water daily on top of a high building and let the gangs fight over it
No.1798585
>>1798447Yet another conundrum solved by China. See their hukou system.
No.1798702
>>1798377>So yeah, it's pretty much a microcosm of all that is wrong with capitalismI disagree. Las Vegas is a microcosm of all that is
funny about capitalism. It's possibly the most cartoonishly capitalist place on earth, to the point where it stops being depressing and loops back around to being amusing. It's as if you combined LA with fucking Disney World.
But to answer your question, I say it stays, just in a much smaller capacity, gradually scaling back until it becomes something acceptable. It's good to have some relaxation and entertainment, we just can't be wasteful about it. Something
like Vegas isn't inherently bad, the problem is when it becomes excessive, and Vegas as it stands is 90% excess.
No.1798760
Also reminder the Jason Unruhe's line on Fallout: New Vegas is critical support for New Vegas' independence and resistance to the inter-imperialist conflict between the NCR and Legion. That seems correct to me.
No.1798775
broadly the same as what will happen to any other urban area
it might be downsized a bit since the gambling stuff that attracts investment will obviously be gone
No.1799529
I am going there next week. What should I do?
No.1799588
>>1799529Start a revolution
No.1799655
>>1799529Depends, what hotel are you staying at?
No.1799782
>>1799529hookers and cocaine
No.1799784
>>1798760The problem with that is independent Vegas immediately becomes the Rwanda to NCR's DRC
No.1800020
>fun, oppulence and occasional decadence is LE BAD!!!
Come on man.
No.1800022
>>1800020Dig a grave and shoot yourself in it, would you kindly.
No.1800029
>>1800028Then it will be done for you
No.1800032
>>1800029I called the cops.
No.1800033
>>1800032Good. They'll put you down like the dog you are.
No.1800035
>>1800033They won't do that.
No.1800036
>>1800035I stay optimistic.
No.1800038
>>1800036The cops who will arrest you are even bigger Las Vegas fans that i am.
No.1800049
>>1798377Las Vegas is very cyberpunk. Rich, excess, fantasy worlds, Disney for adults essentially, meanwhile, you have an invisible underclass of which some live literally in the sewers.
All cities in the west at least have this Las Vegification where the poorest, the undesirables, etc are physically removed from public spaces in order to make the public spaces more livable and enjoyable to the "normal" "citizens".
Some rich places even kick out anyone that doesn't look explicitly rich but are otherwise """normal citizens"""" (housed, job, car, no drugs, etc). Especially if they look black. People who have never been profiled in their entire life, and might even believe themselves to be upper-middle class are suddenly charged with loitering for eating an ice cream outside an ice cream parlor in a very rich neighborhood.
No.1800176
It was better when it was ran by the mafia instead of a billionaire tycoon
No.1800445
>>17996554 queens. Hope its okayish
>>1799782gf would kill me :/
No.1800463
>>1800445Ooooh, that's on Fremont Street. Unfortunately my degree of familiarity with Vegas begins and ends largely with the Strip, my girlfriend didn't particularly want to visit downtown so we avoided it. All I know about that area is to avoid the Gold Nugget, and that the gambling is much cheaper on Fremont than on the Strip. Also it might seem like a good idea to walk from one part of the city to another but I promise, if it's more than a few blocks away you'll want to take an uber.
On the subject of things to do, I highly recommend you check out Area 15 by Meow Wolf if you dont already have tickets for that, it's a pretty damn surreal experience. And if you do plan on gambling, apparently these particular machines seem to be slightly more likely to win you money than others so I've been told, but you're probably better off just playing poker
No.1802475
>>1800463Thanks for the tips! But I wonder, why not the Golden Nugget? Since I will be sleeping literally across the street, I thought I might play a bit of cash poker there. Reddit generally says it's okay/good and better than before. What have you heard about it?
No.1802486
This is a no brainer. Of course we'll be fucking demolishing it. For recreation all American workers will be going on union-sponsored trips to Yellowstone instead
No.1802503
>>1800176Mafia was originally working class migrants but money and power corrupted them into porkies.
No.1802567
Poorer proles = less income that can be spent on going to Las Vegas
No.1802572
>>1798397As longvas Akihabara is fine everything will be good
No.1802594
>actual mafiosos
They have long been replaced and aren't really a political force in Vegas since the 1970s. It's MGM and Sand Corporation, founded by the Jew Adelson, who is one of the biggest donors of Trump and Netanyahu, and various politicians, judges sheriffs who are paid off by said casino corporations. At best, organized crime might be involved with some pimping here and there.
I've visited Macau recently and it was a beautiful city. The casinos were actually cool because so many people were inside them that the outside world was quite empty, so it felt refreshing to walk around these lonely streets in the summer and discover the city at a leisurely place. Most of the casinos there are owned by Amerikkkans, by the way.
There is nothing in communism that says we have to give up resort areas, lol. The gambling aspect can go away but the live entertainment, museums, spas and so on can all stay. Las Vegas is probably more gaudy than Macau so I can't comment on that specific city.
No.1802636
turn it into one big museum
No.1802854
Is socialist gambling possible? Do x amount of work/innovation and you get ticket for ultra delux rare items?
No.1802867
>>1802854What would be the point in that? It would just create inequality and unhappiness
No.1802882
>>1802867It could give joy, hope and entertainment for the masses.
No.1802909
>>1802854You could gamble on tic tacs, pieces of candy, bottle caps, bragging rights, and hair pins like little kids do.
No.1802983
>>1800463>>1802475Poker, Baccarat, Craps, have the most favourable odds in a casino/gaming house… Stay tf away from slots, & roulette unless you're a complete degen.
t. son of a house man
No.1802985
Can anybody else hear that whistling sound?
No.1803070
>>1802983I will only play Poker, (and probably waste a few bucks on slots/roulette just for the sake of it. But really like 10 dollars max total on these). I dont know anything about the rest.
>>1802985Maybe, but I am personally really going next week. I am not even burger, I will roadtrip from LA to Dallas and hopefully manage to watch the eclipse.
No.1804385
>>1798378i've literally never heard anyone say that until you just did, are you perchance this "majority of people on leftypol"?
No.1831190
>>1802854Maybe creating a hypothetical bookie that has no juice for itself lmao
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