/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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Based image - Niger was a fun time. It's hilarious that veterans advocacy groups tried to suppress the footage from being publicly released. Even now, the only one on mainstream sites seems to be one without audio. They faced backlash for that too, saying it's disrespectful. Americans are such fucking cowards it's amazing.

eyes left.podcast

Should we focus on how wars are the bourgeois making the proletarian kill each other? No, let's only talk about soldiers of countries I dislike.

>>1798406
>This video is only available to Music Premium members

fuck is this shit lol

>>1798407
>proletarians killing each other
that is not what happened in niger

>>1798407
truuu

>>1798409
wdym lol

>>1798421
thats what came up when I clicked it

>>1798409
See if you can watch this version from Monsieur Jack

since we're posting songs about veterans

>>1798427
YOU DONT HAVE TO BE ALONE JOHN

>>1798428
based

veterans are a revolutionary demographic with valuable training, skills, intel. fascists understand this, do you???

the one and only anti-ami-troop song

>>1798414
Just because a country is poorer or lost a war doesn't mean you have to defend them as a communist.

>>1798474
This is a good one, i remember this music:
If anyone doesn't speak germany, this one has english subtitles

>>1798467
Not in the age of volunteer armies dumb dumb

Aaron bushnell? More like rest in power you chad bastard

are those 3 down syndrome looking (lets be honest) guys part of some special ops group? I think one has the airborne medal, or a parachute with guns.
Im not american, I dont know the medal symbols.

>>1799079
never mind, I found some info
>https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-soldiers-killed-niger-outgunned-left-hunt-isis/story?id=54909240
>In fact, the team included 10 American special operations soldiers, an American intelligence contractor, a Nigerien interpreter and 34 Nigerien partner forces
>But the small team of Green Berets and Army enablers – from Operational Detachment-Alpha 3212, 2nd Battalion, 3rd Special Forces Group, deployed to "train, advise and assist" Nigerien forces – had almost no overseas combat deployments among them.the American commandos
>Two Army Green Berets, Staff Sgt. Dustin Wright, 29, and Staff Sgt. Bryan Black, 35, and an Army support enabler, Staff Sgt. Jeremiah Johnson, 39, were killed fighting in one location near the remote village of Tongo Tongo, a
FFS, imagine having ufc-level fitness, military and athletic skill, such fancy and cool names and access to all sorts of tech toys…and you get wasted by starving isis bois in the middle of a tiny town in a dry desert. Someone with their "stats" would be a crossfit champ, or prepare his countrymen for the olympics or something…useful.

>>1798556
this

>>1798556
>>1799096
I hate murrican soldiers since they fought to bring condoms to afghanistan BUT, playing devil's advocate here:
>for a poor american the army isnt a voluntary choice since healthcare service depends on it. to say its voluntary would mean its a free-choice to rot and die because you're too poor to access proper healthcare. Joining the troops is therefore a desperate measure to prolong your chances of a long- full-natural-span lifetime and life expectancy
I dont believe this. But I say its a good argument, to try to debunk.

>>1799101
> try to debunk.
easy
<warehouse/amazon
<truck driving
convicts off parole usually get this shit work since anyone can do it

>>1799101
1. I don’t care if they are poor. They can eat shit and die.

2. They didn’t have to choose fucking infantry. No one ever talks about this. “Yeah I hate war and I only joined because I was poor. That’s why I chose to be the guy with a gun who kills people instead of being a truck driver.” Makes no fucking sense. There are a thousand other jobs you can do instead of being infantry. Regardless all veterans should kill themselves anyways.

>>1799698
don't you usually get sent to infantry if you're too dumb to do anything else?

>>1798383
why stop at veterans, kill all active service personnel as-well.

>>1799698
How much of a choice do you get

>>1799744
you can easily avoid any combat arms trades. you have to volunteer for those and some are coveted - this impression that dumb people are somehow being roped into being a trigger man is complete nonsense. you can become a laundry specialist, like damn.

Hasan did not target veterans, but rather active duty military personnel, and worked extremely hard to spare non-military personnel, taking unusual effort to disable, but avoid killing Kimberly Munley.

That said, he's still a fundamentalist Muslim who engaged in a terrorist attack, and his actions shouldn't be seen in the context of merely conscientious objection to American military atrocities, but as part of a global Islamist movement, which cannot receive unconditional support.

>>1799841
i think moralizing one way or the other is stupid

>>1799841 (me)

The more I study the US military, the more disgust I have with the organization, but overall, it's not really helpful to spend time trying to alienate potential ideological allies, given the class origin of many current and former servicepersons, as well as the class background of many discharged servicepersons.

>>1799767
laundry specialists still enable imperialism, so they also deserve the wall

>>1798383
I know two veterans that told me they killed woman and children…

You shoot some you nade some, they die whatever. It was needed of you, there is no way America could've gone unless you killed those Vietnamese or Iraqis.

>>1799976
Ain't that funny too. Maybe somewhere else in the world, it might be strange to meet a guy who can tell you he killed a woman and child, but not here in America.

They claimed 21 kills afterwards lol

Out of all proletarian groups, veterans have probably the most anti-establishment, anti-imperialist members.
This thread is retarded

>>1800057
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>Out of all proletarian groups, veterans have probably the most anti-establishment, anti-imperialist members.

Work with the ones you can, discard the ones you can't.

>This thread is retarded

And no, it's not retarded, becuase we are getting the opportunity to clarify our position on vets. We're outraged at the things you do, and if you don't recant, we despise you, but otherwise, we understand the socioeconomic circumstances that made joining the fist of imperialism a reasonable choice.

>>1799976
I had a childhoof friend that killed a civ too in Afghanistan.
He tried to hang himself while on duty and the army still sent him back on another tour.
He later on suceeding in killed himself.
Doing join the army. Not even worth it for selfish burgoid reasons of fake 'education' and 'healthcare'.

>>1799701
Usually there's an aptitude test and your score determines what jobs are available. From there you can usually pick. Cook and infantry are typically have the lowest requirements.

>>1800100
Imagine joining as a cook and thinking you'll be fine..
Thats quite literally what the burgoids told their retards carers before they actually sent them off to fight..
Gullible.
You people are so dumb..

Based. Reminder that the revolutionary potential of military veterans died with the abolition of conscription and national service. A small minority of them will realize what exactly they fought for and condemn it but they shouldn't be relied upon as a group to help carry out a revolution or more specifically a violent overthrow of the capitalist state.

Every military vet I knew whole heartedly believed in the propaganda of going overseas to kill arabs for fun. It's not like they're not exposed to "war is hell" media from a young age now and they know the vets are treated like crap after they're done serving due to all the journalism being done about it. This leaves two cases
>they're profoundly ignorant and enlist anyway because they have "no choice"
>they just want to kill shit due to fascist beliefs they hold, like Christian or white nationalism
And they also choose combat roles, because they don't want to be a "pussy" chair-force dude. It's just hard to have empathy for someone like that. They're basically sad they don't get to murder people and watch big explosions anymore. How is that an ally?

>>1808375
Don't question the difference between a volunteer and a conscript.

This thread glows hard as fuck.

Western military veteran here. Orphaned at 9, stuck in a hard situation so I joined at 18. Joined the infantry not to kill people, but to discipline myself. Left after my four and a half years, and went to college where I discovered Marxism Leninism. I understand a lot of you haven't actually engaged with veterans, let alone ML's. But if you aren't aware of pic related and

>"You have heard about the series of the brilliant victories won by the Red Army. There are tens of thousands of old colonels and other officers in its ranks. If we had not taken them into service and them work for us, we could not have created the Army…only with their help was the Red Army able to win the victories that it did." - Lenin

>>1808375

Sure, I knew some. And they were usually the non-combat job holding ostracized weirdos that parroted these points. By and large in my experience, most treated it as a day job. Those who had been over there had their eyes opened to humanity, again, by and large.

As a Marxist Leninist, us in the West talk a lot of shit but there ain't going to be any revolution in the sense we know. The state will most likely decay greatly or collapse, and in that period we'll have an opportunity to gather together and duke it out amongst the ashes with reactionaries who won't be purifying themselves in useless conceptual drivel. For fucks sake, did Mao turn away the legions of nationalist officers and soldiers? Did Lenin turn away the Tsarists?

>>1798407
Whaaa not my poor shock troops enforcing imperial domination over nations halfway across the globe ;_:

>>1808431
Oh yea dude, an army of peasant conscripts is totally comparable to an army of mostly middle-class volunteers. The US army will become a revolutionary vanguard ANY SECOND NOW.

>>1808443

Guessing you didn't realize Lenin included officers, who joined voluntarily and sometimes had been in the Tsarist uniform for a decade or more. Pic related had joined in 1901, became a Marshal of the Soviet Union.

Also, lol, does anyone here actually read? Never said they'd be a vanguard. But neither will a real vanguard party ever decide "you know what? we have just too many darn war bodies at our disposal." Very useful opinion.

>>1808446
Bah, the Bolsheviks didn't give any trust to the Tsarist officers until they worked hard to make up for the *stigma* of being a Tsarist general. You make it seem like the Bolsheviks loved working with the generals, instead of the reality that they were forced to use them and did so under strict supervision and with the intent on replacing all who didn't work to overcome their past association as soon as possible.

>>1808456

You're beating up a strawman fella. You're also putting in qualifiers that don't need to be there. They used, a LOT, of officers and they commanded units larger than simple companies or platoons. When you're in a battle to the death as the Bolsheviks were… you're in a tough spot. Do you allow the former Tsarists to command this regiment when he volunteers and defects? Or do you trust the former farmer to possibly get men killed?

And look where all this shit gets us. How does this help anyone? Instead of being constructive and saying "hey, we should court all comers, and if they're particularly problematic they should be relegated to non-sensitive duties with the possibility they can work themselves into higher trust" we act like we have the luxury of being this huge movement in the West. We don't.

If someone comes in, wanting to work with us in times of harsh need do we have the time and luxury to ask whether the ditch digger filled out an ideological purification form? Like what are we even talking about here? I actually hold no ill will towards any of you. I met some reprehensible pieces of shit in the military. We've all met some. But what of redemption? What of change?

Comrades, the facts are before us. Our revolutionary forefathers by necessity, had to rely on professional soldiers to win. When the conflict is won, you can worry about reducing reliance on these people and comb their backgrounds to see if they are reprehensible enough to be expelled or even face more serious punitive measures. But we're doing what Marx said the philosophers do, merely interpreting the world. Put the future between a rock and a hard place, there's good chance you'll need military veterans and generally hard men and women who've been there and done that. And there's a lot of good ones, and in my personal experience there's more good than bad.

I'll see you all in a decade or two, when push comes to shove. I hope you come to realize you won't have the luxury of a deep background check when possible recruits come ready to get down with the cause.

>>1798407
>Should we focus on how wars are the bourgeois making the proletarian kill each other? No, let's only talk about soldiers of countries I dislike.
Stupid socdem pussy humanist cuck
Humanism is a bad side effect of the reaction to the bourgoise as a ruling class. Humanism was always an enemy of scientific socialism. They did everything to curtail it

>>1798407
hecking smol bean colonial police

Please god let more die

>>1808380
If we are only talking about conscripts then that basically just leaves Vietnam vets. This is a dishonest thing to cling onto because everyone in the military now is there voluntarily. Nobody is forced into combat roles either and any attempts of justifying it comes across as extremely shallow like anon above saying he did it to "discipline" himself rather than getting to hold a gun and be a "badass."

I don't know of any cases of jarheads disobeying orders. They love killing brown people and all propaganda about going against orders is just them making up stories about refusing orders to go save their "brother." Iraq proved that zogbots will never question orders and rather just perform them and then cry about it later while simultaneously performing army recruitment propaganda like Chris Kyle's entire story.

They're just as much of an ally as cops are.