No.1799913
>>1799907I think we're just one of the first. I don't see any reason to believe that there's loads of aliens out there.
No.1799996
>>1799907If you take ufology and alien abduction seriously it seems like the ayys have a planned, genetically-engineered caste society, more akin to techno-eusocial organization than anything I else.
So they don't seem capitalist, though how marxist they are depends on whether you think planned economy where everyone is genetically engineered for a particular occupation is compatible with socialism or not.
No.1799999
Applying a human conception of Marxism to the space comrades is foolish. They are waging intergalactic class war against the space bourgeoisie. While no doubt sympathetic to our plight, we're just an uncontacted amazon tribe to them.
No.1800000
Extraterrestrials, if existing, are so distant to be irrelevant.
Do we seriously need to make >aliens a meme?
No.1800129
Well the Great Race of Yith are fascists, but pretty progressive. Sadly their numbers are too few after their terrible wars with the flying polyps to be of much assistance. Now, the Mi-go on the other hand are a serious threat, as they’re colonizing other planets to exploit their resources and appear to live in some technocratic dictatorship. They aren’t your friends; if you trust them you’re gonna wind up with your brain in a jar.
As it stands the extraterrestrial comrades aren’t coming to the rescue, and if you want to see terrestrial socialism, you got to have terrestrial comrades. We need to win over human beings, and also forge a Red-Blue alliance with the Children of Dagon. Which, I’m sorry to say, can only be achieved through miscegenating with the fish people. A few of us are going to have to take the plunge and get some Fussy. I’m happy to see a few old leftists have gotten ahead of us, Amber A’lee Frost clearly has the Innsmouth look about her. But we need to up our game, at least half the guys on this board need to splooge in a fish person and for the women it’s vice versa. Then when we say the right incantations we can summon Dagon and please him with our sacrifices, at which point he’ll gift us gold to finance the revolution. Through Dagon we may gain a strategic line to C’thulhu, his dark master, and while he’s a reactionary who’ll one day rise from the deep to teach man new ways to maim and kill, until such a time, the psychic emissions from his dreams only terrorize the bourgeois intelligencia. Besides, even when the stars are right and R’lyeh rises from the Stygian abyss to cast a new epoch of darkness over the Earth, we’ll have interbred with the fish people so much that our great grandchildren will achieve subnautical pescesocialism.
No.1800182
It's a lot more likely that any "alien" encounters people are having are earthly phenomena that we don't understand yet, including the possibility of a technologically advanced society of humans who discovered flight (maybe spaceflight) a while before we did. We would more or less be like uncontacted tribes from their perspective.
Aliens certainly exist (including aliens of similar complexity as us), but there's no evidence (that we can recognize at least) that they have arrived on Earth. What we know about space tells us it should be hard to do interstellar travel. To be fair though, we don't know as much as we like to think about the cosmos, as the James Webb telescope continues to remind us by finding galaxies that "should be" impossible.
No.1800183
OP u are the first person to have thought of this
No.1800199
have you read that Three Body Problem/Dark Forest series? It would be interesting to apply historical materialism to that weird kind of late-capitalist cold war game theory about mutual destruction.
>>1799996>genetically-engineered caste societythe greys have big eyes because they are biological cameras that send psychic images to their controllers…but who are their pilots?
No.1800216
aliens probably don't exist
No.1800218
>>1800199>the greys have big eyes because they are biological cameras that send psychic images to their controllers…but who are their pilots?Marine mammals. The dolphins are actually porky in hiding from the galactic dictatorship of the proletariat. Explains their rape predisposition.
No.1800236
>>1800216My sibling in life, how can you possibly say that. The universe is more vast than our imagination can even grasp. Even life in our own galaxy wouldn't be that surprising, and there are an innumerable amount of galaxies in our immediate visible universe.
No.1800259
>>1800236We may even find life (or evidence that it used to exist) in our own solar system.
No.1800272
>>1800174>When the driver came out of the store I looked at him more carefully and tried to determine the source of my evil impression. He was a thin, stoop-shouldered man not much under six feet tall, dressed in shabby blue civilian clothes and wearing a frayed grey golf cap. His age was perhaps thirty-five, but the odd, deep creases in the sides of his neck made him seem older when one did not study his dull, expressionless face. He had a narrow head, bulging, watery blue eyes that seemed never to wink, a flat nose, a receding forehead and chin, and singularly undeveloped ears. His long, thick lip and coarse-pored, greyish cheeks seemed almost beardless except for some sparse yellow hairs that straggled and curled in irregular patches; and in places the surface seemed queerly irregular, as if peeling from some cutaneous disease.By admitting you're sexually attracted to a Deep One hybrid, you've volunteered to be the first among us to fuck the fish. You're doing your part for the Revolution, Comrade.
No.1800401
>I was thinking, if extraterrestrials were aligned with Marxism, wouldn't they be actively working to bring revolution to the entire cosmos?
No.
>You know, to free fellow living beings in this Universe from the common struggle and barbarism of capitalistic serfdom?
Sounds like idealism and moral reasoning to me. Why waste the energy?
No.1800744
>>1799907>Would another potentially advanced space-faring civilization follow a 19th Century ideology created by monkeys on a rock in the middle of nowhereLmao
Anyway Interstellar civilization probably isn't possible, the light speed barrier probably isn't surpassable and at any rate it's basically impossible to coordinate actions between star systems due to time dilation
No.1800752
>>1800751They also have a council that protects the Earth from other ayys interfering with our planet too much, but they kind of have to let the other ayys interfere to a certain limit.
No.1800763
>>1799907You want aliens to be Marxists? Alright, so we need to check the prerequisites:
>Does a planet support life?>Can life on this planet become complex?>Is there a species that exhibits social behavior?>Does this species communicate in complex languages?>Does this species create and use tools?>Does this species exhibit group behavior?>Can this species form egalitarian groups?>Does this species manipulate its environment to suit its needs?>Has this species developed an industrial economy?>Has this species developed a communist society?Now, all of that may sound very daunting, but the thing is…space is big. Like,
unimaginably big. There are an estimated 10 trillion planets in our galaxy, and 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe. The odds that an alien society has developed exactly the way you wish it did - that's very, very, very, very, very, VERY high.
So why don't we see any of them? Well…it's for the same reason. Space is, again, stupidly big. Light exits the solar system after 4 hours…then gets to the closest neighboring star after 4
years. Then, to leave our galaxy, it takes 100,000 years. And to reach the closest neighboring galaxy, 2,500,000 years. That's light we're talking about - the fastest moving thing in the natural universe. So unless you've got an Alcubierre Drive (and it may not even be possible to invent one), you're not going very far. More to the point, though - all that probability surrounding planets that I mentioned earlier? It becomes a very negative thing because, statistically, the chances of aliens visiting our planet instead of one of the many, many,
many others is discouragingly low. Humans, after all, have only found 6,000 new planets, and haven't even visited any of them. What makes you think aliens would do the same?
picrel is a size comparison of the largest known star (about 1/3rd the size of our solar system), and one of the largest known black holes (so far - they're going to get a
lot bigger in the future). Just to help sell the idea that space is not a small thing.
No.1800764
>>1800762Ra is just their name. They are the social-memory-complex of the entities of Venus. Millions and billions of entities fused. Yes they are the same entities that tried to spread their message to the Egyptians, but the people they spread their message to used their knowledge for negatively polarized purposes, so they stopped so directly contacting.
No.1800767
I'ma preach more Law of One because Law of One is criminally suppressed. It's funny they won't let these people have a wikipedia page and I've come across people in the wild who have heard of the Law of One. It's famous as fuck but they suppress it for some reason.
So basically we exist in third density. These densities also relate the primary chakra.
1st density is inanimate matter the sacral chakra is related to survival
2nd density is animal life the 2nd chakra is related to procreation and attraction and etc.
3rd density is will power the navel chakra just think all social structures etc.
Ok now this important, in the 3rd density is where the entity makes the choice to graduate into positive or negative 4th density. The 4th chakra is the heart chakra, related to love obviously. Now what the Law of One says about the negative entity is that they have such an efficient usage of the 3rd chakra, the will, to bypass the heart and the throat chakra, and open the 6th chakra, the third eye. The Law of One also says that the negative polarized entity eventually has to turn back to positive polarization once they reach the 6th density. Even in 5th density they start turning away from other negative entities, it makes sense to me, eventually you would find it pointless to surround yourself with other snakes. If you can do for yourself why would you give yourself the headache of having a snake that will bite you the second you turn your back running around you.
No.1800771
>>1800767Oh yeah and maybe that wasn't clear, you can graduate to 4th positive or 4th negative. So all the 4th negative entities live together and vice versa.
No.1800775
>>1800767Ayyayyay I'm dumb, sorry the sacral chakra is the second chakra. The root chakra I meant. The /Muladhara
No.1800776
>>1800763>Now, all of that may sound very daunting, but the thing is…space is big. Like, unimaginably big. There are an estimated 10 trillion planets in our galaxy, and 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe. The odds that an alien society has developed exactly the way you wish it did - that's very, very, very, very, very, VERY high.Pseud argument, the odds of us existing could be vanishingly small and we wouldn't "feel it" because, by definition, the fact that we're asking this question means we would've drawn the lucky straw.
Furthermore, the earth has been habitated for ~4by yet complex multicellular life has only appeared in the last 0.5by (Cambrian explosion). Given that the planet will cease to be viable in another 0.5by, one could instead argue that maybe life in the universe never quite has enough time to develop complex cellular organization, let alone all that other shit you described. One could easily argue that we're first, or close to first, and that there might not be that many lucky draws in total.
No.1800778
>>1800776These dark forest arguments are so dumb. Maybe people evolve to a level of life they are not so bombastic to be detected.
No.1800853
>>1800776What makes you think that our odds of existing are vanishingly small? We can run 2 x 10^25 iterations of planets to check and see if we meet all of the requirements. That is a
huge number of candidates. A success rate of, say, 1 in 10 quadrillion still leaves us 2 billion worlds just like ours.
500 million years is not that short of a time for life to develop. Given how rapidly evolution can occur to fit different environmental niches (crabs, for example, have independently evolved multiple times), the question just remains about how many environments there are that suit species like humans (as opposed to solitary predators or herd animals).
If you object to this because you think I'm being to optimistic, all you're doing is being cynical without offering actual ways to gauge the likelihood of species developing similar to us, making this conversation pointless.
No.1800867
>>1800863Sorry, I'm referencing this shit like everyone should know, and I've never seen one Star Trek season all the way through lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Directive
>In the fictional universe of Star Trek, the Prime Directive (also known as "Starfleet General Order 1", and the "non-interference directive") is a guiding principle of Starfleet that prohibits its members from interfering with the natural development of alien civilizations.[1] Its stated aim is to protect unprepared civilizations from the danger of starship crews introducing advanced technology, knowledge, and values before they are ready.[2] Since its introduction in the first season of the original Star Trek series, the directive has featured in many Star Trek episodes as part of a moral question over how best to establish diplomatic relations with new alien worlds. No.1800873
>>1800863>>1800867to be fair, the prime directive is violated constantly and flagrantly
No.1800911
>>1800873Rules are meant to be broken.
No.1800912
Theres nothing out there besides bacteria.
We are the first.
The ingredients of life as we know it first formed in the first couple of hundreds of millions of years after the Big Bang, so that gives the potential aliens a 13 billion year headstart.
Where are they? The universe is of course big, but 13 billion years…
That life is on Earth and both sentient, we must be underestimating how small the chances truly are. It’s not that space is completely sterile, Earth, Venus and Mars would’ve been all able to hold life for a long as time (200 million years for Venus, and 1.5 billion for Mars) at the same time, before they turned barren and left us to be on our own (a long time ago I reckon), with all three having atmospheres, magnetic fields and liquid water, theres a high chance that life existed on one of our neighbors, especially Mars. But not intelligent in the sense that we are, not even trash can be found.
No.1800951
>>1800853Sorry but these are actually unimpressive numbers. Your argument is basically "wow this number sure looks big!" 2E25 is nothing, a 4L jug of water has more molecules than that. A success rate of 1 in 10 quadrillion could be a woeful over-estimation. It could be a quadrillion times worse than that, and we'd have no idea.
>500 million years is not that short of a time for life to develop. Given how rapidly evolution can occur to fit different environmental niches (crabs, for example, have independently evolved multiple times), the question just remains about how many environments there are that suit species like humans (as opposed to solitary predators or herd animals).Dude eukaryotes took like 2 billion years to show up, and plants even longer. If that timeline was delayed by a mere 20~25%, the sun would've cooked the planet before animals even existed.
My objection isn't that you're being optimistic, it's that your assertions are baseless. We just don't know yet. We have a single data point, and you can arbitrarily extrapolate that in any direction you want.
No.1800955
Also its naive at best/arrogant at worst to try and theorycraft how another intelligent species would think. It would be a miracle if it was comprehensible to us at all.
No.1801182
>>1800775>>1800771>>1800767Schizophrenia used to be interesting.
No.1801184
>>1800776>Furthermore, the earth has been habitated for ~4by yet complex multicellular life has only appeared in the last 0.5by (Cambrian explosion). Given that the planet will cease to be viable in another 0.5by, one could instead argue that maybe life in the universe never quite has enough time to develop complex cellular organization, let alone all that other shit you described.This argument extrapolates Earth's specifics into an universal rule.
No.1801186
>>1800853>crabs, for example, have independently evolved multiple timesNonsense.
No.1801193
>>1800867The Prime directive relies on two deeply bourgeois ideologemes, namely authenticity and ambiguous morality: "let them authentically (?!) develop in their own self-enclosed zoos for the greater good's (?!) sake!"
Big fail from comrade Roddenberry (writer of Star Trek)…
No.1801195
>>1800955Wittgensteinian pseud.
No.1801199
>>1801186carcinization is absolutely a real phenomena
No.1801203
>>1801184There's really not much reason to think that the conditions that allowed humans to evolve intelligence must have taken as long to arise as they did. Those conditions (as far as we understand them) seem to be pretty arbitrary. They just as well could have arisen 100 million years ago or 100 million years from now, and some other species could have evolved intelligence like us. It may even have happened already, but for whatever reason we haven't seen evidence for it (maybe they never got past the stone age equivalent or maybe anything they would have left behind couldn't survive tens of millions of years).
No.1801217
>>1801199>Carcinisation (American English: carcinization) is a form of convergent evolution in which non-crab crustaceans evolve a crab-like body plan.<crab-likeC.f.
>>1800853>>>crabs, for example, have independently evolved multiple timesLiteral lie. "X-like" evolution does not = X.
No.1801229
>>1801203>There's really not much reason to think that the conditions that allowed humans to evolve intelligence must have taken as long to arise as they did.I think that if you take into consideration the Marxiat law of quantity turning into quality then it's a reasonable assumption.
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